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confidential prison files. >> plus, a woman is dead from an apparent suicide. 1-1 emergency. pyrochta shot herself. 19 years later, another woman is murdered in the same house, and they were both married to the same man. tragic coincidence. >> i cannot recall fully from the trauma. the night of the day. >> or was it something more sinister? your daily source for true crime starts right now. thanks for joining us. we begin with the latest twist in the menendez brothers fight to be set free. their attorney, mark geragos, was just in court today. and i spoke to him about where things stand and where they go from here. the menendez brothers were close to freedom, or so it seemed. >> if the judge does what we're asking for, which is recall the murder conviction and then deem it a manslaughter, they would have more than enough time

served and would be released immediately. if there's any justice in the world. that's what i think should happen. >> criminal defense attorney mark geragos telling me he hoped to have the brothers home for the thanksgiving holiday, but that's likely not happening. as lawyers gather in a los angeles courtroom for a hearing to determine the next steps under the law, since they were under 26 years of age at the time that these crimes occurred, there will be eligible for parole immediately. this was the scene just a few weeks ago when l.a. district attorney george gascon recommended resentencing for the brothers with members of the menendez family by his side. >> today is a day filled with hope for our family, but that was before gascon was soundly defeated in the november election by nathan hochman, who will start his new job in december. >> lyle and eric menendez have been in prison for over three

decades, convicted for the brutal killing of their parents, jose and kitty menendez, as they watched tv in their beverly hills mansion. what's the problem? >> what's the problem? i'm sorry to tell my parents. pardon me. >> so truchon at the time, the 21 and 18 year old brothers said they found their parents when they arrived home, but would later admit to shooting them. >> they raped me. >> did you cry? yes. >> were you scared? >> very. >> did you ask him not to? >> yes. >> how did you ask him not to? >> i just told him i don't. >> during the first trials, allegations of sexual abuse by their father was what led them to kill, which resulted in two hung juries. a new trial where those claims were largely limited by a judge, ended with a

guilty verdict and a life sentence without parole. the controversial case has gained a lot of attention, with recent documentaries and social media posts about the brothers. meanwhile, california governor gavin newsom also weighed in, responding on his podcast to questions about whether he would be willing to grant clemency to the brothers. i think it's the right thing to do to hear from the new da before i make any decisions. >> and so i'll be deferring to his review, his analysis and recommendation. >> but what will that recommendation be? the incoming da telling true crime news it's probably going to take some time. >> you got to do a thorough review of the facts and the law involved. now in the menendez case, that would mean i would have to review thousands of pages of confidential prison files, thousands of pages of trial transcripts from two months long trials.

>> and hochman says there is a lot of work to do on the case, adding that he's not even sure it will be on his desk when he arrives. >> i'd have to speak to the prosecutors law enforcement, defense counsel. i have to speak to the victim family members as well. that's the type of analysis that you would expect any da doing their job to actually do. now, much of what i just described is not available to me. but if the case is still on my desk when i assume the position of da on december 2nd, that is exactly the type of analysis i will engage in. >> so the fact that everything has changed so much, especially with the new da coming in, how are they handling this roller coaster of information and emotions? >> you can imagine after going 20 years with no hope, which by the way, is one of the most compelling things about their record. they for 20 years have had no hope whatsoever, yet they did not do what a lot of prisoners do. they decided to do good, and they've done amazing

work while they're in there. i've been down there. it's an incredible facility with great correctional officers who have sung their praises. so it's very impressive. >> in the meantime, it appears the menendez brothers will remain behind bars for at least one more holiday. and of course, we will continue to bring you updates both here and on true crime news.com. coming up, two suspicious deaths nearly two decades apart. but there's one common denominator. >> when you looked at the crime scene pictures, it was a staged event. >> what really happened n th house on north moodus road? that's next. >> if you're on medicare, remember the annual enrollment period is here. the time to choose your coverage begins october 15th and ends december 7th. so call unitedhealthcare and get coverage you can count on for your whole life ahead

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when robert kawasaki's first wife, paula, died of an apparent suicide, connecticut police thought it was just another small town tragedy. 19 years later, his second wife, sandra, was murdered at the very same address, leaving many wondering what was going on in that house. it's a cold march morning in the small town of moodus, connecticut, and state police have determined that 56 year old sandra kolasky has been murdered by blunt force trauma to the head. but no arrests are made. no suspects or persons of

interest named. police say the case remains under investigatio. that's all anyone knows about the mysterious death of sandy kolasky. >> it's very strange. there's been almost no news, no information out there as to how this woman died. why she died. >> but strangely, police know all about the house where sandra died 19 years earlier. another woman passed away. there. 9-1 pyrochta. >> what? pyrochta danhausen. >> and she had also been married to sandra kozlovsky's husband, robert, who made the call to 911 after discovering his then wife in the bedroom with a gun in the area. >> or she's bleeding. take take a deep breath. okay. calm down. what's your name? >> i got a call from the state police. they said there's a problem with your sister. you

have to come immediately. >> paula's brother, john kaapo, met robert kolasky when he started dating paula. >> she was working at aetna, and she was beginning to enter middle management. and bob kowalski was working as a person who would fill up the vending machines. so they struck up a relationship. and at that time, he told her that his name was bob kornish, and he told her that he graduated with a degree in music, but couldn't find a degree teaching. later we found out all of that was a lie. >> paula looked past all of that, building a life with robert that included a nine year old son, a home and a graduate degree in business that paula was on track to receive in a matter of weeks. but early one morning, when robert returned to their home after running errand, blake griffin burkleo, he looked like dried blood. it would shock

paula's friends and family to learn. police quickly ruled her death by gunshot, a suicide. >> there was a narrative taking place that my sister was depressed and this is why she did it. but this narrative took hold and it just it just had a life of its own. mr. kowalski had told the police that my sister was depressed because my mother had passed away five months earlier. well, that wasn't the case at all. my mother died of cancer. she had a two year illness. obviously, we're all sad. we knew it was coming. no one wants their family members to be in pain. >> paula's brother john says nothing about her final days would suggest she was suicidal. >> a week before this event happened, my sister was fitted for a cap and gown. she was going to be graduating from college at university of hartford with honors in a degree in business. >> but just two weeks earlier, she had received a big bonus at work. and john says, paula had a

great relationship with her nine year old son. >> the afternoon before she passes away, she went to the dentist to have her teeth cleaned. now, these are not the actions of somebody who's contemplating suicide, unable to get connecticut police to reconsider his sister's death a homicide, he begins building a civil case against bob to get to the truth. >> we actually hired from dartmouth an expert on suicide, and he analyzed all of the facts of paula kozlovsky's life. and he concluded she had no risk factors for suicide. >> what's more, the deputy chief medical examiner and paula's death says he based his conclusion almost solely on what police had told him. >> the reason why? he concluded that it was a suicide was really based upon the police report that was provided to him. >> paula's brother john begins looking at other evidence. >> i requested all the

information from the state when you looked at the crime scene pictures. it was a staged event. >> one of the first things john found suspicious were family photos placed on the bed surrounding his sister's body. >> the pictures are facing out. if you're in bed and these pictures are going to be your last pictures or objects that you're going to look at in this lifetime, why wouldn't they be facing you? >> and the pictures are surprisingly clean. >> if she shot herself after looking at the photos, you'd think that there would be blood all over the photos. but police don't process the pictures for fingerprints. >> they never even process a test for gunpowder residue on paula's hands to determine if she fired the gun. and when john and a private investigator finally forced them to send their tests to a lab, paula had no gunshot residue on her hands. >> if she committed suicide, she would have had gunshot residue on her hands. when he showed me

the facts and i first looked at it, i said, there's no way that paula falkovsky could have killed herself. >> when we come back, paula's family fights for answers. but bob's not giving them. >> do you recall finding your wife in bed with blood all around the bed? i have no reco ection. ut that doesn't stop his secrets from coming to light. >> i want to instantly look more attractive and years younger. the solution is whiter teeth. but you love coffee and tea. maybe even wine or smoking and all of them stain your teeth and make them yellow. it's time you discovered power swabs. the fast five minute revolutionary treatment. >> the first time i tried it, i was so surprised. my husband was so excited that he wanted to run out and get it. he said, what have you been trying? i said, well, i've tried this product called power swab, and he said, i can't believe how white your

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to get the facts out that the police never got. but to prove wrongful death, they needed to demonstrate motive. >> the forensic accountant found that at the time of her death, mr. kowalski owed $190,000 in personal credit card debt. >> that debt was spread out over 41 different credit cards. suspiciously pointing to a secret life. >> they were all cash advances, attorney steve rex says. >> paula made a nice middle class income working at an insurance agency, but bob was writing thousands of checks from the couple's joint account, floating the cash pulled from the credit cards. >> the checks are written to numerous credit card companies and various organizations, though no one could determine what the credit card charges were for. >> steve rex believes that paula had discovered her husband's debt. he says not long before

her death, she took over the checking account and started writing checks herself. >> then, two days before the death, robert falkovsky started writing checks again out of that account from a different check series, avram specker represented bob koloski in the wrongful death suit and says their accusation that bob wanted a nearly $400,000 payout from her life insurance and estate is bogus. >> i don't know about the debt and i don't know that that $400,000 figure is accurate, but paula's family sought to get robert to clarify everything. >> in a legal deposition, we had gathered the facts and we knew the case up and down. we were ready for this deposition, and we had been waiting for it for a long, long time. >> but their excitement quickly fades as fast as bob's memory. >> you recall what time you woke up on february 13th? no idea. at recall, do you recall what your

wife was doing when you woke up? no, i can't you recall what you did after you woke up? no i can't. do you recall finding your wife in bed with blood all around the bed? no, i have no recollection. >> one thing bob falkovsky did remember and was certain of. he didn't kill his wife. >> do you recall whether or not you shot your wife in the head? no, i did not. well, if you have absolutely no recollection that morning, then how can you tell me here today that you did not shoot your wife in the head? because i know i did not. and how do you remember that? >> it's packed. and bob offered a reason why he may have had memory loss, but cannot recall solely from the trauma, the shock, the upset of the day, the time bob claims an officer at his house the morning of his wife's death is the one who determined bob was in shock. >> what did the trooper look like that instructed you? >> that you were in shock? i can't recall.

>> were you treated for shock? no. >> and not only is robert's memory gone, so is most of the money he received as benefits after paula's death okay? >> is that money still in your savings account? no, it is not. where is it now? but with expenses. expenses? what does that mean? funeral expenses? upgrades? vacations with my son. other purchases, vehicles unable to get more information about the circumstances of paula's death, and aware that there is almost no money left, the family agrees to a settlement. >> taking $90,000, most of which goes toward a college fund for robert and paula's son. >> i think that mr. falkovsky is as far as what he might have had to pay in damages, won the case, but with the deposition as crucial evidence and another of

robert's wives dead in the same house as paula, her family still hopes it may help investigators solve what is deemed an active homicide. >> i've had three conversations with the police. each conversation ten 15 minutes. they asked me about the financials in the in the paula's case, they would ask the state. >> now that his second wife has been murdered, to go back to look at that video deposition, to look at the financial record, to gather all the facts and to reopen paula pulaski's case. >> surprisingly, this latest death has really resurrected my sister's story. my sister now has a voice, and people are beginning to at least listen to this case. >> if that happens, paula's family hopes their sister will get the justice they feel she's been denied. >> i do believe that the facts

that exist should be put before a jury. i mean, that's my understanding of our system. let the jury make the determination. if you don't know. and i would be very happy with that. >> we reached out to the connecticut state police to find out if there are any breakthroughs in sandra kozlovsky's homicide case. they told us that her death is still being investigated, but would not comment on whether robert was a suspect in her murder. now, since the case remains unsolved, a connecticut judge ruled that an insurance company does not currently have to pay him a $275,000 life insurance poli that was in sandra's name. we'll be right back. >> this right here is confidence in a bottle. >> it makes me feel so much more confident than i have ever felt. >> they are some of the hottest videos on social media. those videos claiming to instantly get rid of bags under your eyes. annette figueroa is here to tell us why she says this one is for

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