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>> i will be standing here in this fight. >> what's important is they are ensuring they will get a process. >> as world leaders meet with the residential elect in the face of trumps tariff threat. and trump quotes there will be quote hell to pay if hamas doesn't release the hostages. we will talk to the national security advisor in the first trump administration. >> until hamas has destroyed you can't have any better life for the palestinians and certainly you have to get the hostages back. plus trumps plans for ukraine come into focus. we will discuss the results of the reagan national defense survey and how voters view terms push for a negotiated peace. all right now as fox news reports on the state of defense.

we begin with a fox news alert. crowd celebrating is streets of damascus after the fall of bashar assad's government following a lightning fast advance by rebel forces. there were reports he fled the capitol and it's unclear where he is at this hour. that family has ruled with an iron fist for 50 years. coverage with fox chief correspondent hello. >> after 54 years the assad regime and cereal has fallen. already in the capital of damascus unopposed. thousands of syrians gathered in the city celebrate in the collapse of government control. after the former president bashar assad fled biplane. country that spent billions of dollars propping up the regime as they spoke about the future of syria.

>> it's a feeling of joy after 15 years of pressure and trag tragedy. the regime hurt has been that we are free without any fear or oppression which will be lifted from our hearts. we'll return stronger and united and be the best country god willing. >> the rebel takeover came after a rapidly 11 day offensive that started by taking the northern city before opposition forces work their way south. the leader of hts assures there will be an orderly transfer of power. it's a u.s. detonated terror group and the 42-year-old himself is the founder of an al qaeda affiliate. amidst concerns of stability in syria is really forces are ramping up their posture along the border. sending soldiers into the buffer zone with syria. this demilitarized area will be held by the israelis with rebel forces controlling their side of the border.

this afternoon reports to indicate israeli forces were bombing syria in an effort to target weapons belonging to the assad regime. they don't want the weapons to fall into rebel forces hands. >> thank you very much an overreaction at home we go to lucas tomlinson at the white house. hello lucas. >> this is being described as some quarters as a berlin wall moment for syria now that the assad regime has fallen. here at the white house a spokesperson for the white house security council says quote president biden and his team are closely monitoring the extraordinary events in syria and staying in constant contact with regional partners. president biden has not yet weighed in periods national security advisor offered his assessment from the reagan national defense forum hours before syrian president bashar assad collapsed. >> assad's have all been disrupted so he does not the

support from the three actors he expected to count on and has been left basically naked. >> earlier this morning president-elect donald trump receives intelligence briefing saying quote assad is gone and he has fled his country. his protector russia led by vladimir putin was not interested in protecting him any longer. there was no reason for russia to be there in the first place. they left all interest in syria because of ukraine. close to 600,000 russian soldiers lay wounded or dead. trump went on to call for an immediate cease-fire in ukraine. in a previous post trump talked about the ongoing in syria. united states should have nothing to do with it. this is not our fight. do not get involved. president-elect trump back on the world stage attended the reopening of the notre dame cathedral in paris yesterday. >> it certainly seems like the world is going a little crazy right now and we will be talking about that.

>> trumps national security team that is assembled includes marco rubio, john ratcliffe, mike walz asked and pete as defence secretary. trump says he rubs her reports and after some republican senators raised concerns. >> looks like pete is doing well now. people were a little bit concerned. >> do you think he can make it? >> i think you will. >> republican senator on the armed services community tells fox they have the votes right now to be confirmed as defence secretary. >> lucas tomlinson we appreciate that a noisy morning at the white house. thank you. time now for the sunday group "usa today" washington bureau chief susan page. evan roberts president of the heritage, fox news contributor and former bush nocturnal secretary official. a lot of breaking news overnight. what comes next? this group claiming victory,

they're classified as a terrorist organization. >> there a terrorist organization we can celebrate for a moment that an adversary fell and it's a win for israel and even for the united states but only celebrate for a minute. because ungoverned spaces breeds terrorism. it was already at least a partially ungoverned state and even though i believe president trump and others want to pivot on and do other things in the world, we may have to keep our boot on the throat of these al qaeda like affiliates. isis like affiliates. the other thing to be concerned about in the future is iran. iran has taken hit after hit since october seventh and i don't think they will take this lying down. they will make a decision whether they should ramp up. they need to security for their regimes so we have a lot to watch. we have big opportunities and there's a lot of things to worry about as well.

>> shannon: this is a new headache for the white house and where they're trying to get things done before president biden leaves. >> a bigger headache i think for the white house that's coming in and, you know, president-elect trump has not wanted a foreign policy presidency. he's talked about a domestic agenda but i don't think we'll have the option to do as he said to stay out of what's happening in syria. iran is not going to stay out and russia's not going to stay out. he seems to be face a world where there is turmoil everywhere. south korea instability, even france and england. this will be a bigger part of his presidency than he had hoped. >> shannon: he's got a lot to walk in on day one. there's a lot of discussion breaking national defense about what a trump two-point oh administration looks like. he has the experience of commander-in-chief in the world was different than it was four years ago. >> i think it starts here at home. with a but the nominees out there in one of them is tall see gabbard to be director of national intelligence. she was close with bashar assad

in syria and she was making excuses for the use of chemical weapons and even doubting it occurred. and now you have this week, 100 former national security officials writing and saying they don't want her confirmed because we they fear our allies will not be willing to cheer, intelligence with the incoming administration. so that's a challenge for president trump. right here on capit capitol hilt this moment but if you go overseas and i think part of the challenge there is again, if you are america first, how do you properly say we are not involved? let it play out. when in fact you can see anything michael was picking up on this, it would affect the entire region including our ally israel would be tremendously supported but there's no getting away from this at the moment. as the incoming president just said the world is acting crazy right now.

>> shannon: that's true. there's a lot of talk about. and you mention tulsi gabbard, "politico" says she could be the next trump nominee to come under fire in the senate. some former staff say the best thing tulsi gabbard has going for her as the other trump nominees that are blowing themselves up. we will eventually get to more of a focus on her as she makes visits on the hill and gets closer to hearings. but what about what they've mentioned here, the history and relationships with syria, russia and other places? >> i think having to connect to threads here. the people say we must be involved in syria, largely would be the same crowd who told us that interventionism, this adventurism that comes with neoconservatism needs to continue. it's the same people who are in the senate saying we can't have tulsi gabbard, we can't have them. 675 military leaders since thursday have signed a letter that heritage is leading defending. we've see a defensive tulsi gabbard was an excellent

selection. one of the reasons syria has fallen is because of the world clarity donald trump brings to this picture. and i think we will see all of the confusion that susan rightly type on is going to focus. will you through strength because we have a lot better priorities and a lot better leaders and god bless donald trump having the willingness to break the backs of notches these evil people abroad but also break the backs of the washington establishment. >> don't you think that joe biden deserves a little credit? for taking on russia and iran and in fact strongly backing israel to the point iran is now in decline, unable to support a side. russia in decline and its tro troops. >> i love you but that is fantasyland. >> i think he's been the president for the last four years and we've seen our enemies decline and a lot of this isn't going to buy the waco to trump. >> of travel the world for my job and what i hear constantly

from heads of states and ambassadors as we want moral clarity from the president of the united states and there's no way in the world with all due respect my friend that joe biden offers moral clarity. donald trump has done more to bring peace to this world and he hasn't even been inaugurated. >> he's not been in office and i think politically having gone through the election we know in fact president biden is paid a huge price for his unalloyed support of israel and willingness to go after iran. >> nineteen yahoo into hezbollah under the advice of biden and jake sullivan. >> shannon: that's one of places that's not there yet and the clock is ticking on weather or not there's going to be the release of hostages and whether that stone and president biden's watch. a working around-the-clock to say that's a legacy they want to get done. to the issue of these nominees, there are republicans that are supporting president trump that say we need to get in line. congressman andy beggs on the outside rights on "newsweek" why do republicans insist on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory? we won the election

and have a mandate. he goes on to say what we see in the swampy is the american political swamps? republican senator scuttling some of president donald trump's cabinet nominees and susan there are all kinds of threats that they will be primary from the right if they don't vote yes. >> i thought he was a goner and it's not true anymore. it's possible he will get confirmed by following the brett kavanagh playbook of one euro in real trouble fight back really hard. that some think trump likes to see. i'm unsure about tulsi gabbard. we have not heard from republican members of the intelligence committee that's traditional been a bipartisan body. that's real concern. i think what's happened in syria makes it harder for tulsi gabbard to get over the finish line. >> shannon: in the meantime we president trump on the world stage behaving if he is currently the president. you saw the visuals with him with world leaders in notre dame. with president emmanuel macron and president zelenskyy and many others welcoming back onto the

world stage. given the weakness of the current president and the speed at which things develop in the modern world trump is in effect a presumptive president certainly foreign governments are treating him that way. >> i think so. i think in the united states the democrats have not gotten into their opposition rhetoric yet and here across the world many of the world's leaders want to meet with donald trump as soon as possible because he holds all the cards. we know he will back israel and we know he wants to end the war in ukraine. we know that a big series of tariffs around the way with china and so many of these world leaders want to get with him so fast to be able to discuss these. we see trudeau high tail it lago and we know everyone in notre dame was interested to talk with trump as soon as possible so he's a man in full right now and he is everything going for him and he has a lot of big decisions to make coming soon. >> shannon: that includes

these confirmation battles and how much capital he's willing to spend in all these different nominees. thank you so much for being with us on a busy news morning and when we come back our special coverage on the stated defense including our conversations at the reagan defense format the presidential library in california. the incoming administration we set a slew of foreign policy crises await. former trump national security h.r. mcmaster shares incident site of how we think president trump may tackle them. >> fox news sunday is sponsored by pacific life. reading financial security for nearly 160 years. alf and its mother are almost inseparable. she lifts her calf to its first breath of air, and then protects it on their long journey. one of the most important things you can do is help the next generation. protect the ones you love with pacific life's trusted financial solutions.

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>> shannon: ronald reagan on his favorite horse welcoming you to his library here at cd valley california. the statute calls along the trail has a secret fireproof inside comprised of belt uncles and a piece of the berlin wall. ground breaking for the library began before reagan left office in november of 1988 and opened the public three years later. fund-raising and construction costs were paid entirely by private donations to the ronald reagan presidential foundation. the 29-acre library of campus sits amid 180 acres of pristine land on top of the hill next to thousand oaks, california. the library holds 63 million pages of documents, more than 670,000 feet of film and more than 46,000 video and audio recordings. >> we will finish our job after we do less, we are americans.

>> as well as the recreation of the oval office during reagan's time in office. president reagan of course saw our nation through historically tense moments in the world stage. namely in the final days of the cold war. now a new administration is set to have critical foreign policy test with some of the very same adversaries. to an amino to share his insight, former national security advisor to president trump and author at war with ourselves my tour of duty in the trump white house general h.r. mcmaster and a senior fellow at the hoover institution here in california. >> thanks for having me. >> shannon: a lot of serious challenges awaiting the incoming trump administration. you said it one point you like to trump's disruptive nature and you thought it was helpful. how is it factor into a second turn? >> we are dealing with a lot of the same adversaries. and i took the job of national security advisor in 2017 soon

after the president wasn't curated there has to be some in washington and i think president trump because of his disruptive nature and the washington outsider like reagan was actually. has the opportunity to challenge the conventional wisdom and put in place a major shifts in u.s. foreign policy and i think especially in the middle east at this moment. >> shannon: what do you think happens there? i do have this from him. he has issued a warning on trump on truth social with a post that says of the hostages aren't released prior to january 20th 2025 the date i proudly assume office as president of the united states, there will be quote all hell to pay in the middle east. he says he wants the hostages home before he sworn in. anything a policy shift happens with him in that situation? >> first of all i love it because there is talk about a cease-fire in gaza, actually until hamas is destroyed in my belief you can't have any better life for the palestinians and i

wanted to see us working more actively with israelis and others to get the hostages back but also to make iran pay that price for their terrorist and proxy network across the region. there's a huge opportunity at this moment because of what the israelis have done to crush hezbollah with these recent attacks. now you see how reliant assad was in syria on hezbollah. the assad regime is collapsing and i think what you are seeing is the external arms, the terrorist arms of iran really countered in such a way that has always been very weak. we act like they are strong and have all the language about de-escalation but i think president trump understands he's to say to me everywhere i look where there's a problem there is iran and he is right about that. >> shannon: when you talk about opportunity and he uses the words all hell to pay, what are the practical things that he

could do to handle the situation differently the end the administration has? >> i think it's going to happen right away which is to tighten the grip on iran from a financial perspective. from an interdiction of the ghost fleet and so forth. maybe secondary sanctions on chinese banks and others. china buys 97% of iran's oil so they are feeding iran's atm so they can continue the proxy wars against us, their arab neighbors and israel and employ the strategy of expanding every arab life to conserve of kicking set of the middle east and killing all of the. financial pressure and you will see military action against these iranian proxy forces and maybe against iran itself. iran has conducted hundreds of attacks against u.s. forces and locations in the middle east and see october seventh mass murder attacks against israel and we've only responded to very few of

those. i think imposing costs on iran, isolating them financially and economically is going to happen immediately in the trump administration. >> shannon: the survey asked a lot of questions of how people are dealing with these challenges and there's an enormous concern from americans about this grouping of iran, russia, north korea and china. that seems to have beeped up if anything those alliances over the last few years. how does president trump and his defense team begin to dismantle or separate or divide the power that they found in working together? >> i would take an opposite view on this. think they should glued together and whenever they act separate they would cover for each other and act like they're not operating together. it's kind of crazy when you think about it, the first major land war in europe since world war ii and north koreans are joining the russians and their onslaught against the ukrainian people. now there's do you many people

and that drones from the iranians. millions of artillery rounds, six to 8 million from north korea transfer to the russians and they're getting assistance from their missile program and the nuclear programs and north korea. the access needs to be dealt with together and this is why president trumbull come to the conclusion that it's important to support ukraine in this defensive war. not just because for ukraine which is important in itself but it's because it's connected to the cascading crises in the middle east and looming crisis in the pacific where china has become much more aggressive. >> shannon: there's a lot to impact there because there's different fronts so let's talk about ukraine. reuters says summing up from president trump, repeatedly pledged during his election campaign to end the nearly 3-year-old conflicts within 24 hours of his january 20th inauguration, if not before then but as yet to say how.

you are critical of the quick fix in afghanistan and how that fell apart. are you worried about how this is potentially going to come together? do you think president trump has a plan first of the long-standing and enduring with respect to the conflict in getting it done? >> we are worried about this flawed idea that putin can be placated. that putin will come together for some kind of a deal. putin is determined to restore russia to national greatness and to do that by assuming all of ukraine and subverting the united states, look at what they're doing from a disinformation campaign against us all the time. it's really important for president trump to adhere to his instinct and this ki connection. which is peace through strength. and so putin will not come to an acceptable settlement i don't believe until he believes he is losing. and i would say step a, provide the kind of support that ukraine is always needed.

i think president trump should criticize the bite and administration approach for meeting of the assistance little by little. tanks are no tanks and missiles are no missiles. could he use the missiles are not use the missiles. hubble given given what their need to defend themselves and listening to putin you will lose this war. >> shannon: getting to china to end the survey was the numbes issue on weather or not they should be helping taiwan, 61% say they have increasing u.s. military presence in the indo-pacific region and 55% they have increased arms sales by the u.s. to taiwan. we know there are billions of dollars in out setting sales that taiwan has made a contract with us and we have not been able to deliver a number of reasons. how does he come in to manage that situation? >> president trump is pretty consistent in some areas. he doesn't know what's going to happen with taiwan and ukraine but some things are clear. he understands the need to build

up the defense base and vastly increase the military capabilities. i think on taiwan that would be very attractive and tie on wants to take responsibly for their own defense and i think it's $22 billion of backlogged arms purposes for the united states. and also it's a heck of a lot cheaper to prevent a war than have to fight one. i think now is the time to portray strength and i think the president will do that not only with massive investments in defense which we need, we are not big enough as a foursome we have different modernization. but also an industrial base as well and supply chains. many of which are vulnerable to being interrupted by china. >> shannon: there's a lot for the new trump administration to confront. general thanks for discussing a great to see you. >> thank you. >> shannon: so u.s. adversaries building up their military capabilities and influence around the globe. we will ask our defense panel how the incoming administration

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fighting excellence and lethality in her own military. >> shannon: former congressman mike gallagher who works for a palantir and what he likes to see a new defence secretary due to reform the military. joining from the nation national defense forum box correspondent jennifer griffin. former bush white house advisor and the director of the ronald reagan institute. thank you all for joining us for this special conversation. how do you see the defense posture the defense department shifting or changing under a second trump administration? >> the reagan foundation did an excellent poll which i hope god's them that says the american people worry about the state of america's military today. overwhelmingly supporting additional spending and want america to lead and be involved in the world and 50% of all voters say we want america to be more involved in the world and even more amazing and 62% of

americans say they are in favor of it, 62% of trump voters in 63% of maga voters. americas living in a dangerous world and to bring about peace and prosperity. >> shannon: the survey said people need better defense production when you asked about that and 40 more percent said that and a little more 33% and you're at 73% of people you polled who think we need to ramp it up and our resources are being, you know, tied up across many different battlefields of this point. >> the security environment demands it for the department of defense and needs to result in more production in the american people and the survey as carl pointed out are comfortable with investing in national defense and focused on the national debt will come at the cost of national defense but overwhelming numbers of those

poles that say we need to make investment of national defense. donald trump run on a policy of peace through strength in the first presidential candidate to do so since president reagan did that. now the survey helps identify what are the things he can do and the american people support. >> to that point he's in an office of old slate of major foreign policy challenges know what's blaring up in syria as a whole new front. >> when he left office is when there were changes. you look at iran and looking at a nuclear weapon. you look at what's happening in china, president xi jinping has said 2027 and told is military to be ready to take taiwan in 2027. human onto it then but he told is military to be ready by than we had a war in europe and it's to be resolved. syria is falling apart as we speak.

this group and al qaeda wants affiliated group and there's a huge problem for israel and sending troops to the border and we have 900 u.s. troops in eastern syria. they are very concerned and what's aligned with the u.s. regarding 45,000 isis families and fighters and there's various serious implications for the region. >> shannon: also in your survey when you talked about the biggest threats in china clearly at the top of the list but i also found it's interesting, only 52% of people feel complicated that if the u.s. got into a conflict with china we would win. >> it surprising barely when the majority that the conflict with china but the reality is china is engaged with the most traumatic military buildup in generations. you have to go back to what the soviet union did after the cuban missile crisis to see a buildup of this nature. the american people are right. and the indo-pacific region the chinese actually are on par and

appear with the u.s. military. there industrial capacity for the united states and what came out with the survey is the prc, the results are related to russia and the american people know what the adversaries are they know the good guys are in the bad guys are. russia 80% of you as an adversary. they are on par with japan over 73, 74%. the policy that comes out of their trump administration needs to make sure that we are supporting the good guys, that wants the american people supports in the prc, russia, iran and north korea. >> shannon: the survey also points to expectations and what you think is coming next with ukraine and how does this thing wrap up? you found the biggest chunk of folks, 33% say russia will take over some territory. the next level 27% say the war will drag on indefinitely. 70% say ukraine will expand

russia from its territory and 40% say russia will take over the whole country. president trumpets at some high bars and how quickly it'll wrap up. what do you make of it? >> i suspect he will regret raising those expectations because this is a thorny problem. the only way to solve this is generally well held view is muscle up. give the ukrainians what they need in order to prevail on the battlefield and cut the best deal possible. zelenskyy is indicated he is willing to give up territory but the only way to do that and make it stable for the long-haul is to muscle out. the poll point something interesting that is a reality, the reality is we are much different than four years ago or eight years ago and the biggest problems as we now have a concerted effort among four of america's greatest adversaries. russia, iran, china and north korea are working together.

the iranians are supporting russian drones. the chinese are providing a revenue of buying the oil. north koreans now have military forces, tens of thousands of their soldiers in russia in order to fight ukraine. this is something we didn't have before, where there was a concerted military alliance between these adversaries of the united states and in that survey the american people, 86% are concerned about it. they could answer the question in two different ways. and one said here's all things are doing an 86% of american people or at the polls say they are concerned about that. than they simile said they are working together and given the detail, same 86% we understand what's going on. >> shannon: there are some and he places the uss to counter what's happening in one of the places is in africa where china has laid the groundwork. president button was there this week and says it's got overshadowed a little bit but basically this is what "the new york times" says china has had decades around the continent and leaving some to wonder weather america can compete with its rival.

>> this is really significant. a significant trip by president biden. opening at 1200-mile corridor that the u.s. paid a billion dollars between four countries from congo to tanzania, zambia angola. basically so the u.s. could have access to critical minerals like cobalt which are needed for ev's and smartphones. but china as you mentioned has been with its belt and road initiative in africa. we've been asleep at the wheel for 20 years and they already control 76% of congo's cobalt which is the largest cobalt supply in the world. the last u.s. mine left congo in 2020 so while this was a significant trip by an american president, it's a pittance compared to the $42 billion that china has spent on the belt and road initiative in africa. >> shannon: quick final thought on the theme, the feeling here about for the next president is been the president

but will once again be the president. >> a lot of anticipation. this is peace through strength and appear to transition. a lot of speculations happened to the secretary of defense pete hegseth and deeper level, what will the military strategy be in president trump second administration in our survey the american people demonstrate they want to military that can operate in prc and in china and can deal in europe and also deal with the middle east. that is to be the core part of the strategy and has to have global reach and that will be here at the form. >> shannon: thank you all very much. >> thank you. >> shannon: a nurse so very shows that's majority of americans favor more and spending on defense and they worry that could collide with the national debt. lawmakers from both side of the aisle who by the way both happen to be veterans join me next to decide how to balance the competing interests.

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>> shannon: welcome to the flying white house, the actual boeing 707 that flew seven sitting presidents from richard nixon to george w books

to 2001. this is the actual entrance the president would use to stop and waved to reporters. let's go inside. president reagan flew more than 660,000 miles and visited 26 countries and 46 u.s. states in this aircraft. this is state room one where president reagan did a lot of work and you can see his jar of jelly beans here and notes often hand wrote important speeches and there's the phone. talk to world leaders legislators and reporters. he started the daytona beach nascar race 27000 now excepts millions of visitors to get their own in-person tour of history here at the reagan library. that was a look inside air force one behind me and definitely worth a visit if you're part of this country. joining hour two veterans serving their country now in congress. florida ra republican cory mills and seth milton, a marine veteran both on the house armed services committee and qaddafi both today.

you guys have a lot of things going on including funding the government when we run out of money december 20th of you get to the cliff again. some of the senate names reagan national defense does a survey and they ask people about this, a majority still send weapons of aid to ukraine but that number has been dropping. where do you think that goes? >> one thing you see in this survey as people are concerned about that pacific, about china. what ukraine has to xi jinping in china about starting a war of aggression if you let putin get away with this. ethically all agree we want putin to lose here and want ukraine to win. but at the same time we don't want this to go on forever. there's some common ground the there. >> shannon: what is the hopeful resolution? it feels like president zelenskyy is conceding there will be a conversation about some of this territory and has it ceded to

russia but does that only incentivized putin to do this again? >> this is being handled wrong since 2014 where it originally kicked off. have to go back to 1994 with the nuclear nonproliferation agreement called the budapest memorandum. the idea was that was to recognize not only the sovereignty but the territory of ukraine and the federation of russia the u.k. and northern ireland, the u.s. and ukraine were signatories on this so there are in direct violation of their own international treaty in which they signed. the issue is we haven't tried to enforce this are put teeth around it when it comes to the international buy-in. when it comes to the very beginning we slow walk this and this is what seth was talking about a moment ago. we understand we don't want putin to win this but we don't want to continue to spend all the treasures and the idea prolonging this were aware urgently one of the finally give it to them and they finally give high marks and finally give an attacker. and we slow roll this to draw out when it went so winning a word. >> i don't think putin agrees

about agreements. but at the same time there been a lot of decisions that have been the right decisions a few months late. if we want to win the war that is different than just prolonging it. there's an opportunity with the new administration here to make some changes but we can't give into putin and that's the concern you here in congress based on some of trump's decisions in the past. >> shannon: win this conversation is to the idea of spending their survey here also asked about this. 79% of americans agree on spending more but they think 69% concerned the national debt will enforce cuts when it comes to defense spending we should be more concerned about the national debt and talking about it more than we are but how do we balance potentially competing interests? >> this year we have pivotal my moments of which is what we are going to spend more and interest payments in the national debt

than the entire armed forces spending. that's a very key thing and the greatest accidental threat is certainly a national debt. what we need to understand is that there is areas of government to get rid of the frivolous spending and why elon musk is to get the necessary efficiencies in place but it's not the military. what we need to be looking for military is increasing the quality of life and prioritizing lethality. not like dea are other things that are divisive a room packed the recruitment efforts but look at things like providing child care five days a week and not two days a week. look at the increase where we are increasing the amount of houses on the basis of equality for soldiers and armed forces. is a key and critical things for retention of her recruitments and also to ensure the parties are right on the felony and the prioritization of military service members and the transition plan is later on. >> shannon: coming from a military family i need to say we

need to prioritize the men and women in uniform and serve a long with them. >> the budget that congress passed will need to increase military pay a lot. we are really trying to invest in the troops and families but let's be honest about the numbers here. here's the problem, trumps budgetary plans and economic plans will increase dramatically. for five times more than harris is planned so this will know what to work out. know how to balance the budget just how the efficiency. we need to talk about more to pay that and that's not just expenses but revenues as well. if trump does his tax cuts for billionaires he's not going to have enough money for defense and that's a real trade-off. >> the funny part is they talk about the tax cuts for billionaires but what they don't talk about as we receive more revenue and tax than we ever did before and the idea of sun setting a policy that allows 21% for corporations to go to 40

plus percent. >> the bottom line... >> revenue speaks for itself and never been seen before all because of trump. >> it went dramatically up with trumps tax cuts and will go up again. >> we have to be serious about this. >> everyone to pay for a defense. >> shannon: let's talk about this as well because the pentagon has failed at seven thought it in a row. what needs to be done we know there's a problem there. if a private company failed its financial audits year after year with only vague assurances that it would get things under control and a few more years shareholders would revolt and has been. >> i would agree. we have to look at the accountability and i have to tell you one of the places we can save money is by investing in the advanced ohtani a say i enabled drones and things like that. systems of the future as opposed to the big old heavy manpower intensive systems of the past.

what does that mean? we need a lot more drones and missiles. we probably need fewer aircraft carriers. that if those the people of the pentagon and they don't like to hear that kind of talk but if you're serious about investing in the future of the deterrence in the future of our military while also making sound financial decisions there is the kind of changes we need to see. >> i agree with the autonomous ai entanglement capabilities of a drone. we know what that can do in a better field and that's the way of the future. however, we're looking at the end opaque on strategy and look at seven fleets actual capabilities, i don't think reducing aircraft carriers or ohio classing submarines will be the answer. especially with the unification of taiwan and what is china's ultimate goal under xi jinping. i thing they're smart ways to do it but to your .7 audits have failed and they have $4 trillion in assets and 4 trillion in liabilities. how they can get a solution to accountability is troubling i

think that's where potentially something that has an external audit looking at the office of the inspector general's to do a more thorough investigation to this and holding flag officers accountability of certain and why should you be deserving of another posting. >> shannon: you mentioned does your earlier and they are looking every possible expenditure and five points is that there is that kind of thing. do you think it will be bipartisan support for what they find? it's up to congress and they can't do anything less you guys make some cuts. >> i thing there will be support for finding efficiencies and cutting waste. there's no democrat he wants the government dollars to be wasted. i think that comes down to the details of what they're going to do. if they're going to dramatically cut programs that invest in our troops, that invest in weapon systems of the future and invest in working families need right now right at home that's not going to get through congress

and i think there'll be a lot of republicans vote against that stuff as well. >> shannon: we end a moment of agreement. you both agree their stuff to cut. >> to some extent on the absolutist and we have to go to the power of states and individuals and that's part of the problem right now. >> shannon: thank you for your time in service and good to have you. >> good to see you. >> shannon: straight-ahead our sunday specialty eyes of freedom. a unique moving tribute to fallen soldiers is now on display at the reagan presidential library. more from the artist about the deeply personal work of art. plus a look at president reagan's final resting president reagan's final resting place. we will take you there next. is such a rewarding job. every day i make a difference in the lives of those who matter most - our seniors -

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>> ronald reagan belongs to the ages now. >> shannon: more than 20 years ago and june 11th 2004 president reagan was held to rest with the heartbreaking kiss goodbye from his wife nancy. the former first lady was right laid to rest by her husband's side.

the sight was personally chosen by the presidents with the georgian gray granite headstones of the center of a 20-foot wide horse shoes shaped a memorial. carved into stone this quote from reagan when he dedicated the library i know in our heart that man is good. >> of what is right will always eventually triumph and there is purpose to each and every life. >> shannon: certainly has. moving words from the 40th president and another poignant exhibit is making its home this month. the eyes of freedom memorial using to tell a moving story but the actual toll of war to remind all americans what true courage looks like. it's our sunday special. february mark 20 years in the marines of ohio-based lima company deployed to the and bar province of iraq. then an al qaeda stronghold. of the 184 marines in lima, a

staggering 23 were killed in action. marking some of the heaviest casualties of the entire war. now arlywo decades later a traveling exhibit the eyes of freedom is making its home near the reagan ride prairie with a one-of-a-kind tribute to the fallen heroes. >> one of thing that strikes me is so personal. >> it's one thing to know intellectual that freedom isn't free but to actually see the faces of the fallen khakis were young men who had their whole lives ahead of them. it's tragic but also inspiring. >> reporter: the memorial features life-size portraits of the units on service members and the actual combat boots worn during their deployment. h now adorned with mementos left behind by love ones. >> you can see a photograph left on the booths and you can see a dog tag there. it's incredibly powerful. >> reporter: for those who survived the grueling deployment many faced a different kind of battle when they got home. in 2018 the exhibits artist

added this sculpture. silent battle. why did it become a big part of what you've already done to the artwork, something new. >> post-traumatic stress and suicide and mental health or veterans became the elephant in the room that needed to dressing and we'd decided we would make that issue front and center and very visible. >> reporter: the reagan library is just one stop for the traveling memorial. >> we been to 47 states and what's the reaction like when you take this place to place? >> some thing magical that happens between the paint and that the aware and the spirit of the ones they loved and lost is the thing that they are beginning to feel. these are 23 but they stand for thousands of every conflict. >> shannon: we are grateful for the sacrifice of all of our nation's heroes. that exhibit is heading to some of the hometowns of the fallen service members it honors beginning in bozeman, montana, this february. if you haven't seen it yet be sure to check on fox nations hit

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