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, he i go, where are you going? well, i got to visit firefighters door to california. i go, you are running for office anymore. that's how he lives his life. like he is running for office all the time. he's amazing. and he beats it when i. thanks to him. whatever your platform is, i hope you'll use it to lift up those around you. i'm alex michaelson. we leave you with the names of those who made this show possible. i'm grateful to them and to you for watching. see you next week. without. >> the speaker: johnson holds onto his job and get straight to work trying to unite republican control of washington. working together we have the most consequential congresses in the history of this great nation. >> ushering the next trump air with tomorrow's election
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certification. and. >> we are blessed to be alive and grateful but not happy to. >> the new year terror attack in new orleans puts the biden administrations under control raising the government security to raise upper scale events. >> don't just respond to that last attack it. anticipate the next one. >> jacqui: we will talk to adam smith the top democrat on house services and as louisiana senator bill cassidy what it means of trumps defense picks are not confirmed sternly. and our sunday panel reflect on the life and legacy of hour 39th president as lawmakers recall his humble beginnings, deep fate and life of public service. all right now on fox news sunday. ♪ ♪ >> jacqui: and hello from fox news and washington. a look at the headlines. millions of americans are dealing with a major winter storm across the midwest right
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now along the interstate 70 corridor. it's happening for the mid-atlantic's states bringing cold temperatures overnight in several states have declared states of emergency. here in washington congress says it is still convene despite the storm. and congress will count the electoral votes and vice president kamala harris will certify her own laws to donald trump. congress tightened and clarify the roles for that procedure after the events of january 6th 2021. while that's going on president biden and the first lady will visit new orleans, four days after an isis inspired terrorist plot a rented truck into pedestrians early on new year's day killing 14 and injuring dozens more. in a moment we will get reaction from louisiana senator bill cassidy but first we have team coverage of the trump transition from west palm beach and the white house response to the terror attack. lucas let's start with you. >> president biden and the
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first lady will travel down to new orleans tomorrow in his 15 days remaining in office to pressure on terrorist groups. >> president biden: we will pursue isis and other terrorist organizations where they are and they will find no safe arbour here. >> reporter: after the isis inspired rampage on bourbon street that killed 14 people and wounded dozens more, critics say biden for years downplayed the threat posed by his islamic terrorism. >> president biden: according to the intelligence committee terrorism from white supremacy is the most lethal threat to the home today. not isis and not al qaeda, white supremacists. didn't know for too long to hold that this nation. what is that poison? white supremacy throughout our history has ripped the nation apart. >> reporter: it's not clear of biden has changed his mind. >> thank you, everybody.
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>> reporter: hours into the new year the fbi says 42-year-old new u.s. army veteran shamsud-din jabbar plot his rented truck with his isis flag attached through bourbon street before being shot by police. prior to the... on his way to new orleans from houston where he lived he recorded a message to his family saying he joined isis earlier this year. the divorce for the third time in 2022. louisiana's attorney general says new orleans must bolster security before hosting the super bowl next month. >> answering a lot of our questions, while it also gets ready for a super bowl. >> reporter: security has been beefed up around the white house ahead of jimmy carter state funeral and president-elect trump's inauguration. second layer of fencing has been added to pennsylvania avenue this weekend. >> jacqui: lucas tomlinson of the white house.
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thank you. now nate foy covering the trump inauguration. >> president-elect donald trump hosted the italian prime minister at mar-a-lago last night alongside his pick for secretary of state senator marco rubio and within two weeks until inauguration day the president-elect is ensuring the leadership apparatus that he wants is in place in washington, d.c., and ready to implement his agenda. >> in coordination with president trump and his administration we will create a leader faster and more efficient workforce. >> reporter: how. >> the speaker: johnson won reelection after presently donald trump made calls on his behalf while golfing in west palm beach. >> president trump was hitting a five are and when we talked. we had a good discussion about how to advance the trump agenda. >> reporter: trump posted on truth social quote mike will be a great speaker and our country will be the beneficiary. trump warns of looming
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democratic attempts to block his cabinet picks. the defense secretary now many will face the senate armed service committee on january 14th while terms pick for director of national intelligence will meet tomorrow with senator mark warner. the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee. >> we have great nominees that work together and they work very highly. >> reporter: incoming national security advisor mike waltz says it's important to get trump's cabinet picks confirmed. calling the presidential transition a moment of vulnerability. the terror attack in new orleans raises additional concerns. trump claims president joe biden for rising radical islamic terrorism and violent crime in the country. the judge says trump will avoid prison time in his upcoming sentencing on friday. trump disputed his criminal conviction on truth social
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writing quote i never falsified business records, it's a fake made up charge by a corrupt judge. trump can attend his sentencing virtually are in person. he has not said which one he would pick quite yet. his team is looking forward to what they're calling a victory rally at capital one arena in washington, d.c., which holds 20,000 people. it's going to happen on the eve of the inauguration on january 19th and the next day trump will be sworn into the white house for a second term. >> jacqui: nate foy reporting from west palm beach. thank you nate. joining us now as louisiana senator bill cassidy. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> jacqui: sender the fbi dhs and the national counterterrorism center worn for potential copycat attacks after what we saw new orleans. there were several large-scale events coming from the super bowl in new orleans to inauguration in d.c. is enough being done to prevent
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something like this from happening again? >> i can promise you everything will be done that you can imagine is going to be done. they don't want to look bad first and more importantly they want to protect the american people. but we have to recognize whatever the so-called soft targets, wherever there is a street festival in a big city, there's potential for some thing bad to happen. i would encourage the american people to be alert and the report things that look like it shouldn't be that way but to also live your life bravely. the thing that terrorists want to do is they want to terrorize us which is to say i am too afraid to live in freedom. no. you have to be bold of live in freedom that's the best way we can counterterrorism. >> jacqui: the city of new orleans spent $2.3 billion to hardened infrastructure after the fbi warned in 2017 that the french quarter was vulnerable to a mass casualty event but the mayor said the steal bollards malfunction shortly after they
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were installed and they were down for repair ahead of the super bowl they are being replaced so win that attack happened there were police vehicles acting as barricades. listen. >> if they did indeed have a plan but the tariffs defeated it. >> jacqui: the very next day that police superintendent you just heard from admitted that there were additional barriers on hand but she didn't know they existed. 48 archer barriers designed to stop at 5500-pound rock going 6. the police superintendent did not know what resources she had to protect the most vulnerable sight in the city. should she face consequences for that? >> if everything is you laid out is as you said it, absolutely. there has to be leadership at the top and if the leadership failed as you describe that than absolutely there has to be consequences. and of story. no i think what they're going to have a complete review of everything from top to bottom
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and if that's the way it ends up shaking out completely she should be replaced. >> jacqui: police put out those archer barriers the day after the attack to reopen bourbon street. meridian rapid defense group the company that sold them to the city in 2017, said they were the strongest mobile barriers in the world but the ceo said quote not only did they not have them, they didn't even know how to describe them. and even now in the pictures i've seen that barriers aren't even set up properly because of the wheels that are still down. what's your reaction to hearing that?'s. >> obviously we are preparing now for a super bowl and there will be a mardi gras before then. very importantly the sittings to implement everything it needs to do in order to take it to the next level. i will say that our governor has had the state police going down and there's also a multitask, multiparish and multiregional task force that is going to
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provide security. i feel comfortable when the super bowl comes there will be an incredibly secure environ environment. it's kind of an act of defiance. >> jacqui: should the state police take over the french quarter? >> i don't think you need to take it over but i do think you need to have a plan which is credible reviewed by outside entities and they say this is good and then you do everything you can make sure it's a limited correctly with a third party guaranteeing implementation. anything that's very doable. >> jacqui: president biden will be visiting new orleans tomorrow to meet with the victim's families. what are you asking for in terms of federal support? >> first, you know, my gosh, how could we not feel for both the families of those who died but also those will been injured and their families? in terms of federal support i think one, i've learned in medicine as i
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met dr., in medicine when some thing that happens the family wants to know it doesn't happen again. the loss with a terrible thing that happened that contributes to a greater good. the best thing the city in the state in the federal government can do can do their best to make sure that this does not happen again and what we can do as a people is make sure we don't leave our lives in fear or in terror and liberalized bravely with liberty. and make sure we support the families however, they need support. and by the way i am very proud of the medical teams in new orleans that will be providing first-rate care to all of those victims so we also have to take care of the immediate impractical. >> jacqui: the terror attack in your home state has renewed focused on the need for a swift senate confirmation but delays we are hearing might slow that down. republican sources told the hill quote you have to get the ethics paperwork in the fbi background check done and that's taken longer than it should have. they should know the way the transition team is that selves
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operate periods is potentially a self-inflicted problem for the trump administration? >> i know there is a delay getting the documentation signed allowed the term of this sharing of data. now it's always easy to look back at 2020 and say oh, my gosh, i think should have been different, i can't comment on the exact process but i will emphasize to get this done as quickly as possible, getting the right person in the right position, clearly is important. and i would say it's not just for domestic issues but also has a dangerous world out there. also for the international environment. >> jacqui: the confirmation hearing is next week. abc is reporting that the senate armed services committee is requesting additional information from veterans organizations that he previously led and also from the california d.a. who declined to bring charges following a 2017 sexual assault accusation. are you aware of any delays that
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might bungle his confirmation timeline? >> i'm not but this is the due diligence. the senate has in the constitution and advise and consent process and the fact that this is being requested is not in and of itself necessarily bad, it something good. in the senate as opposed to looking at the qualifications of the person is nominated and then consent as if they agree that these are good people. so if the senate is doing its job that's a good thing. >> jacqui: you've already met with him. are you a "yes" for him? >> i still have to see that process. we've had a great interview. he presented the issues that we all know about in the press and he had a response for them. he was there with his wife and he explained how, you know, after the war, after he served in the war his life was messed up and now it's better. i get that. i also want to review the data and information that's being requested. full of vetting someone but he did a great job in his interview with me. >> jacqui: your committee is
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going to be overseeing rfk juniors hearing and there is some reports that democratic senators john federman, bernie sanders might be getting -- might be giving him some support. how has rfk jr. fared among democrats in your committee? >> i haven't spoken to him about it. i will meet him in this coming week and i look forward to the interview and i agree with some things and disagree on others. the food safety i think they all the processed food is a problem. vaccinations, he is wrong on. and so i just look forward to having a dialog with him on th that. >> jacqui: speaker mike johnson yesterday made clear to house republicans that it's trump's preference to do one conciliation package in order to get the 2017 cut down along with the border piece because of those narrow margins in the house. are you on board with that approach? >> i better be.
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of the president says he wants it mike johnson said he will do it. all spending bills originate out of the house why thing they will dictate the action. as regards to strategy absolutely true. there's very narrow margins and so we have to get it right. i suppose after they get the votes they have in the house they figure that is the best way to get it through. a going to dispute mike johnson i think he's doing a great job. >> jacqui: that's a bit of a rough ursel. usually it's a senate that dictates what's happening in the house. >> spending bills once more begin in the house. is whatever chamber is having the problems and when mike has a margin after three be believe the cabinet of one, i don't know there's ever been a house without strict of a margin. by the way if we only do one reconciliation bill those three people are leaving to the cabinet will be replaced and is marginal be at least a couple more. not much but a couple more. and there's something very practical in line.
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>> jacqui: comes down to the math. thank you senator cassidy. appreciate you. >> thank you. >> jacqui: the bite and demonstrations home strategy. democratic congressman to adam smith joins us to discuss of the white house put in much emphasis on terrorism. that's next. the tunnel to towers foundation and the congressional medal of honor society recognizes valor beyond the call of duty. britt slabinski, a recipient of the medal of honor himself, sat down with fellow recipients to hear their stories from their military service to their transition into the veteran community. it nothing we won, right? we're pretty vocal on that, saying, look, i didn't win anything like we're a recipient of this. you're going to highlight me for the day. we're four guys get killed. never crossed my mind about receiving the medal of honor. never. i was told i was being put in for it the day after the battle.
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the highest level of valor. you want to understand, why did these people lose their lives? why aren't they in my place? can't refuse it. we don't have the wear if you don't want to. they feel you earned it. people think war ends the moment you get home. no. war sticks with you. for me, it was like i was in a fog. really? for. for several months. you're literally on the edge of life and death at any moment. and then 12 hours later, you're at home and you're going to birthday parties and you have to go back to assimilating that life. it's fascinating how many of our brothers and sisters. its a significant problem. end up on the streets. tunnel to towers is taking a leadership role. and specifically when i think about the veteran homeless population. we as an organization, we have gaps and it takes partnerships to come in and help us fill those gaps to ensure that nobody is left behind. and that's what tunnel to towers does. we just recently gave them our citizen honors award, recognizing all the great work that they have done.
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it's a fulfilling a promise to this nation, saying that, tunnel towers is gonna give you smart homes, pay mortgages. there's no level of recognition that rises to what is being done on behalf of those gold star families. and we're not forgetting you. never forget. go to t2t.org and donate $11 a month. thank you. >> president biden: domestic terrorism from white supremacist
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is the most lethal terrorist threat in the homeland. the most dangerous terror in her homeland's white supremacy. >> jacqui: president biden's longtime claims under new scrutiny in the wake of that horrific new orleans attack as critics argue it's downplayed the ices threat and put an outsized focus on white supremacy concerns. joining me now washington congressman adam smith. thank you very much for being here this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> jacqui: throughout the presidency biden believed that white supremacy was the greatest threat to the homeland but two months before the last remarks that you just heard the u.s. intelligence community released its annual threat assessment report. it painted a much bigger picture. the document alleges russian 98 times, in china 90 times, iran 46 times, north korea 25 times and there were 15 mentions of racially motivated violent extremism but white supremacy
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was only mentioned once. did president biden have his priorities wrong? >> that was president biden's intelligence community that issued that report. whatever you had what the president said i think the emphasis of his justice department of his intelligence committee and is homeland security department would have on the report said it was. and understood the broad threat environment that we face and it is best to try to confirm the threat environment. >> jacqui: the fbi told congress the suspects in the new orleans attack was not on their radar. they didn't have any intelligence on him and he was not someone they were watching. do you believe it all the president's belief that white supremacy is the greatest threat to the homeland, impacted directives that were set down to federal agencies? >> this was an individual who had no public links to isis. he was radicalized just in the space of the last nine months.
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primarily by stuff that happened in his personal life. >> jacqui: nine months is a long time. >> he wasn't publishing to join a group. there was a terrorist attack win trump was president by a radicalized islamic terrorist in florida at a military base. do i believe trump wasn't paying attention? no. but i hope this makes clear to the incoming trump administration that the depth of the threats that we face from a variety of different radical organizations. again all outlined in that report that you read from biden's intelligence services saying we've got threats from a whole bunch of different places and also the lone wolf attack which has been talked about a long time and an individual who isn't on anyone's radar. we need local law enforcement and support the fbi and the justice department to do the level best to try to find as many of these as possible. understanding and you heard this quote before, the terrorists only have to be right once. it's a huge challenge we face and i hope we come together as a country to meet that challenge
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and not try to get a ridiculous partisan argument based on who is the president. and have been under trump and happened under biden. let's work together to make sure doesn't happen again. >> jacqui: the attackers brother told fox this week that he joined the military to try to find direction in life. he spoke to was off-camera and listen to this. >> more trouble finding something to set straight. to ground him. needs the type of guidance in his life. >> jacqui: both the new orleans attacker and also them and involved of a cybertruck explosion in las vegas had military background. you're the top democrat on the armed services committee. are you concerned at all about the problem with our service members falling prey to radicalization? >> i'm concerned with the problem radicalization of people in our country and i think it
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have been the people who did not serve in the military so i think to paint a barat brush of service members is uniquely bonner bold to this type of thing, i think that is somewhat denigrating to the people of the military. >> jacqui: there's enough services supporting them? >> that was where i was going to next. i think that's an exaggeration. of course for the military. we do have to do a lot more i believe to deal with the mental health issues and people in the military phase. ptsd and other advancements have been made in recent years but it was something we have to emphasize and make sure the service members get our support. and help because with a terrorist attack, the number of suicides there are done by the people in the military are completely unacceptable and need greater attention. >> jacqui: it's a terrible issue. moving on of the first fbi spokesperson who addressed the public after this attack gave
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wrong information about the case. take a listen to this. >> will be taking over the investigative lead for this event. this is not a terrorist event. >> jacqui: no, we now know the junior agent was only speaking because her boss, the special agent in charge of new orleans, was on vacation.fbi headquartert they send the deputy of assistant director from d.c. to take over this. do you believe duncan statement eroded public trust in investigators? should you face any consequences for that? >> i don't know about that. it was clearly a mistake. this happens all the time and speculation something comes out and people reach conclusions in an spirits investigator should know better than that no question. i'm not in charge with discipline within the fbi but clearly that was a mistake and should not be made. >> jacqui: at a minimum should policies be changed to ensure senior officials are on hand during major events like
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new year's eve, the sugar bowl, the super bowl. >> that is quite possible in and particularly when you have a threat, absolutely. >> jacqui: do believe the federal government is doing enough to secure large-scale events that are coming up like inauguration? trump also plans to hold a rally in d.c. the night before inauguration. is there sufficient security for that? >> i believe there will be sufficient security we see going up all around here already. but it's a huge challenge and i think we need to take it very seriously because regrettably we live in a time where people are radicalized by a wide variety of things and also as the threat assessment that you had earlier, you know, russia in particular has really stepped up their hybrid attacks in a variety from places across the country. we need a heightened level of security for all of these events. >> jacqui: the new congress has been sworn in. the minor leader made some waves
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with this. take a lesson. >> it's okay. there are no elections when god is on our side of the aisle. >> jacqui: in 2018 he wrote the more we learn about the 2016 election the more legitimate it becomes. america deserves to know whether we have a fake president in the oval office. many doubled down in 2020 he posted to trump keep pouting history will never accept you as a legitimate president. what changed? >> i think a lot of democrats made mistakes in terms of complaining about the 2016 election. i remember vividly i was on this saying he was winning the election and there's a lot of people in a lot of different places. i think there is concern that fox news is only concerned about democratic election deniers and it seems that republicans took that a little more seriously in terms of storing the capitol and doing all kinds of efforts to actually stop the election as opposed to just issuing a couple of comments. people will get emotional about elections, nobody should try to
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stop an election from being certified. tomorrow snow willing we will be certifying president trump selection. you will not see democrats stand up and protest that and you will certainly not see them storm the united states capital to try to stop that certification. we accept the election of president trump and we will do our best to work with him going forward. >> jacqui: i would argue this network covered all sorts of election deniers from across the spectrum but do you expect ellen any of your colleagues to put a challenge when the election is certified? >> i don't know. there's a lot of us and i don't think so. but going back to 2000 to and i think 2016 there was i think one house member democrat who, you know, protest of the election that didn't have a senator that didn't go anywhere but there was a lot of us but i can tell you 99% of democrats, this is the way the election went out and we will work with the new government. >> jacqui: finally with 30 seconds left the speaker held onto the gavel but it did take
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some muscle from trump. how are democrats going to work with the incoming administration to make sure that bills get past and government functions? >> it's going to be hard and the biggest challenge will be on the budget reconciliation process. ouster republicans are meeting that to try to figure that out. promising to not cut spending is going to be tough we were with them. >> jacqui: thank you very much for being here. president bite hours more than a dozen people of the white house with the presidential medal of freedom. we will as the panel if the president was trying to send a message with some of the selections next. ltimillionaires build their wealth the same way, you have... the fearless investor. the type a cpa. the boot strapper. the boot maker. hee-ha. but many do have something in common. we all trust schwab with our wealth. thanks to our award-winning service, low costs and transparent advice, every day, over a million multi-millionaires, trust schwab with more than three trillion dollars
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[cheering and applause] >> jacqui: former secretary of state and presidential candidate taylor clinton is one of 19 americans that president biden awarded the medal of freedom last night. another was controversial democratic donor george soros. it's time now for our sunday group. fox news contributor and out kick homelessness mary catherine hamm. fox news contributor marie harth, former rnc communications director and founder of douglas media and mario parker, bloomberg managing editor for u.s. economy and government. thank you for being here good morning. so these recipients, mary catherine, there was a long list
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but a lot of them were prominent critics of trump. do you think biden was trying to send a message with this list? >> yes, but i think most presidents do and i will surprise everybody by saying i think it's good hillary clinton got this award. not a lot of novelist in fiction writers get the awarding at the hillary clinton campaign financed and created one of the greatest works of fiction in living memory. despite it being total fiction it enthralled the press and the intel community and federal law enforcement for years. and so i applaud her for the work of fiction and i'm excited about the work she does in the future but are totally fictional presidency. >> jacqui: i was going to go somewhere else but marie came up with something. >> my friend mary catherine brought the 2025 energy. all presidents do this. donald trump gave the medal of freedom to one of his top donors. he gave to a bunch of sports athletes and people like tiger woods. this is what presidents do.
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i think there were a number of people across the political i'll that may be a critic of trump up people admire for his work providing food and places that have gone through natural disasters in the u.s. and around the world so a lot of people that we can applaud on this list i think joe biden was nice and the way he did this. presidents do this. all of them do. >> jacqui: dug that president also gave liz cheney and bennie thompson the presidential citizens medal for that work on that january sixth committee. do you see a jab at trump on his way out the door with that? >> potentially so win this is what presidents do. being a good example of that when you go back to obama and certainly a lot of obama supporters he gave awards to donors as well. a lot of this is business as usual and i was in north carolina over the break and i saw the work that was a andre is world kitchen did still rarely bad out there. i was filled him honored but what i saw also was the
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president who made the first trump administration where the candidate who made the first trump administration happen be decorated by the person who the second trump administration happen there is poetry to that. >> i will take your word for it. >> jacqui: moving on. the present is drawing some bipartisan criticism for blocking the sale of u.s. steel to japanese company. the seal blasted the decision saying quote president biden's actions is shameful and corrupt and give a political payback to a union boss out of touch with his members while harming the companies future, are workers in national security. he insulted japan and made american competitiveness at risk in the chinese common as leaders in beijing are dancing in their streets. did the president play right into china's hand with this decision? what could the impact be there? >> a not sure. this is one of the rare instances which biden and trump agree on.
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trump has said he would be opposed to deal a couple of things going on here both domestically and foreign policy wise. is a key battleground state. unions are involved in both parties are vying for the affection of the unions. joe biden has called himself the most prounion president of all time. the other thing is that the national security apparatus for the current president, soon to be former president, they were split on it. so there was a school of thought that this undermines a key ally. japan is one of the biggest foreign investors in the united states. we have 50,000 troops there as well but business is business and there's a risk and covid highlighted this, when we don't have the on shoring of our supply chain where anything can happen and steal is a vital material for us. >> jacqui: marie i will ask you because of your experience in the state department. how much will this or the u.s. relationship with japan? >> this is when the areas i
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agrdisagree with president biden and soda jake sullivan insulted john feiner. the top national security officials said this could really hurt a relationship with japan and there's a part in the prime minister of japan weighed in and sent a letter to president biden asking him to approve this. it's a very rare step for a prime minister to take in a president it does agree with. a lot of the workers also wanted this deal to go through. they promised to spend almost $3 billion shoring up u.s. steel which has had a lot of problems. they pledged to adhere to the united steel workers contract so i think this is one area where joe biden's personal and political feelings about unions and about the steel industry really took hold over the national security argument which i don't like when national security threats are used to justify these types of decisions because i just don't think that threat is there and neither did the national security team. >> marie highlights on that is interesting here. tivoli what we see with the biden white house as they are
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disciplined on not having leaks. opposite the fact that every white house thought joe biden was capable of doing the job for four years was an example but we heard a lot of dissension from the administration on this. from the security estate and that top ambassador to japan is really rare in this situation and shows what a political mistake this might have been for biden. >> jacqui: i want to ask you mary catherine one specific question because u.s. steel and nippon both accused biden of minute played in the process in pursuit of a political and the wall street editorial board said this could really have some far-reaching consequences and they said stir biden is redefining national security to include economic nationalism which will introduce many new gates for political interference. unions and corporate competitors now know they can use that as another political lever to block investments that they don't li like. will listen to chilled to foreign investors? >> i think it rationally wed. it's on the message that's harder to get to this process
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that they're not looking at the normal barriers in normal things that will stop you. when it comes to the economic part of this one of the reports sight is impossibility of less u.s. steel output. you know what else would cause less u.s. steel output? they do get an infusion of capital they need to survive as a company and then you get much less u.s. steel output. >> jacqui: there is concern now from investors and economist that u.s. steel could be sold off in a bankruptcy. do you believe there's any argument that could win in court because you've had nippon and u.s. steel bow valley to challenge this. >> i think the other thing analyst have alluded to his there's quite a possibility. they both threatened to have some type of legal action we don't know what comes out in the discovery at all and the fact that it had before this point had been a black box in previous administrations so we are not sure what could be on the surfaced and emails communications et cetera on how this came about. >> jacqui: doug i want to ask
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you to the point made earlier, both trump and biden opposed this. do you think we are witnessing a swing towards protectionism in the u.s.? >> del sol a bit of horseshoe politics on a lot of issues more to the right and left you go the more you sort of meet at that place so donald trump got a lot of labor support as we've seen on joe biden has these position himself as a pro-labor president we've ever at. not terribly surprising on an issue like this they were were been in agreement. >> jacqui: marie what cost is it's happening because mario mentioned the other company that was bidding for this came up short and now u.s. steel is sort of in the lurch. >> a system that donald trump and future presidents will have to deal with. mario also alluded to covid and the fact that there was this idea in the last five years that we wanted to bring more of our supply chain and more of these critical industries back to the united states. i think most of us agree in general it's a good thing for a
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number of reasons but the world is globalized and this company u.s. steel needs cash. and there has to be ways for foreign companies to invest in american companies to continue to do that, to have all boats rise together economically in our country and around the world and to protect american workers and their supply chains. there has to be a way to thread the needle and it felt like this deal was... that we care about in this country. union contracts for example. pledging to this company. this is something future presidents in congress and all these folks will have to deal with and this idea that we just go back to protectionism and that we sort of close our doors and shut out the rest of the world is just not reality and american companies and workers will suffer if we try to do that. >> one of joe biden's core promises was, hey, allies i'm with you in a rational actor and you can work with me.
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this puts a damper on all the talk we for it from the biden administration. >> it was surprising and seems like they knew that because they signed off on an arms deal the same day they killed this sale here. we will be right back panel and leave it there for just a moment but up next to "washington post" cartoonist calling it quits after the paper refuses to publisher drawing drawing that was critical of her employer. we will discuss that decision. as the people you love get older, their risk of severe flu and covid goes up. last year alone, those viruses hospitalized nearly 1 million people 65 and older. that's nearly 1 million moms, dads, favorite uncles, and grammas. if someone you love is 65 or older, talk with them about vaccines, because to you, they're not just another number.
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>> jacqui: president-elect trump learned this week when he will be sentenced in his hush money case in new york. we are back now with the panel. mary catherine, the judge denied trump's request to the request setting up sentencing for ten days before inauguration. he signaled the sentence would be unconditional discharge, meaning no jail time and no fine and no probation. why go this route? >> it feels like at this point everyone is making the doughnuts on this case. they are showing up to do that thing but the thing actually wasn't to serve justice, that
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thing was to interfere with his ability to be elected president. i do not believe the former was about the latter so this part is let's go through the motions and finish and out. and he can't put him in jail which is probably the great dream but didn't work out. >> jacqui: marie? >> i thing the judge in this case and you read what he said about it, makes clear he was convicted unanimously by a jury of his quote peers of 34 counts. and those shouldn't just go away. so is trying to find a thread the needle of sentencing him and not saying we are going to get rid of your sentence because you were convicted but making clear he can't put him in jail and he needs to do thanks because he is president. i think a lot of the american people feel like there should not be a get out of jail free card that you can do anything is president and you can commit any crime and if you're reelected or if your president they can just go away. that sits uncomfortably with people so i thing that judged at the right thing here. >> jacqui: doug how do you think people will digest this?
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>> by a large there's so much, much going on in donald trump has benefited from so many charges happening at once that people find it tough to keep track of what's going on with which. one thing that hunter biden and donald trump have been common, there's not a lot, as they both i think in fairly say the only thing this has happened is because of who i am and my last name. a lot of the public feels that way for both of them at something that's an advantage for trump here. >> jacqui: what you think the likelihood is that trump can stop the sentence from happening or successfully appeal it are somehow, you know, prevented from going through? >> as of right now that looks like that's what they are deliberating on. whether to appeal the sentencing to get a stay and maybe to punt it a little bit further down the line and maybe makes his way to supreme court and a lot of this to doug's point i don't think americans are really paying attention to this point anymore. he won the popular vote and got all the things the election he didn't get in the previous one that he won actually so at this point now it's about weather or
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not he wants to expunge his record and whether or not he wants to spin that time in a courtroom and have his attention divided with his executive responsibilities. >> jacqui: mary catherine don't you think in some way, that judge is trying to deliver on an image of trump being sentenced? that is really something to happen. >> he is but his power is limited in this area to the extent that it can be politically damaging and people get pay attention. it would be if you went too hard on trump and this would be an issue as he continued his presidency. would be a damage not to democrats or trump at this point? >> i thing there's a lot of democrats feel like there could be a number of charges convicted or could be accused of many more things of election interference, crimes, these were things that, you know, doug is right. voters didn't appear to care
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about them. they reelected him. i still think it should matter even the voters don't seem to care about this. the judicial process should not be different wholly because he is president. i think if you commit crimes you should face consequences and we have a system in the country where with presidents there is rules and norms and guidance about that but i think a lot of people are frustrated that he has been accused and convicted of so many things and just has never broken through publicly >> i think to american voters the one that thing that was different was the last name, it was a felony created out of all of these nonfelonies that were passed the statute of limitations. one of the reasons people didn't care about this is because they clocked that this was what was different. >> democrats got in their own way about this a little bit. donald trump should not be a really acted he is a sexual predator. okay fine. they rally and philadelphia.
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bill clinton. voters heard about that. >> the last part of that is the packaging of this particular case as opposed to some of the other ones that were dismissed. when i speak to democratic strategists, the fact that it was labeled as a hush money case, that kind of gives the inference that this is a personal matter. whether or not you agree with the behavior that was alleged there that this was a personal matter and should not be played out in the court. as opposed to election interference which was what bragg tried to say that it was at a certain point. >> jacqui: on a much lighter note "the washington post" cartoonist, whole it's her prize-winning cartoonist quit her job saying that paper has refused of run her that shows jeff baze those who owns the paper groveling to trump. she says it's the first time it occurred she's had a paper killed because of her pen was aimed at.
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most employees will not publicly criticized their boss, the person who cuts the checks but should it be different for the press? >> we've seen this kind of play out, and i'm a member of the press obviously, we've seen this play out over the last, i don't know, call it six to eight weeks and may be a little bit longer going back to "the washington post" decision not to endorse a candidate with some of these philosophical questions being raised. the cartoonist said this has never happened before. if we take her editor at his word, he is saying there are duplicates here of some other coverage that they have of other opinions they've had as well. so not sure where to take sides. >> jacqui: to your point doug, the editor david shipley said he made the decision himself because he wanted to avoid repetition and set a story had been published on the same topic already. are you buying that?
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>> any time your boss, especially if your boss is jeff baze those who everyone in america has bought something from and the influence he wields there will be questions about this. one thing we see we've seen newsrooms being decimated around the united states to wear those big newspapers or small newspapers. i admire everybody was the convictions to say i'm out of here but editorial cartoonist doesn't really seem to be a growing industry in america right now so it may be really tough to find the next phase of employment based on that. >> i would say for me if i were in charge of this editing process which i'm not, even if it is duplicative to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. they blow this up and do something people are paying attention to. streisand affecting at when they haven't paid attention to the cartoon in the first place and gives you more credibility in the long run. >> somebody people have seen the car turn now and i don't believe the editors excuse. i think we have already seen "the washington post", other media outlets and other business
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leaders preemptively tried to kiss up to trump. mark zuckerberg is getting a lot of criticism for this. trying to prime the palms before he becomes president which is what happens often when there are leaders who want business leaders in the media to give fealty to them, to not criticize them and debbie on their team. we've seen this is part of trump's ammo and i think there is a disturbing trend where we see people preemptively giving up their voice or power to try to please trump and not be the independent voice and provide the point of view and i think there is a very concerning trend for the next four years if it continues. >> jacqui: with less than 30 seconds left we are begin the week long funeral services for the 39th president. your final word from the panel on his legacy and achievements? >> he is criticized for may be his record as presidency and not may be having the best presidency but also many of the things he's done, minorities for
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example. giving them positions in the federal government. elevating them of putting a lens on africa periods humanitarian deeds after he left the office hold so much weight. >> jacqui: very important. we will be remembering the this week. you're looking at the carter center in atlanta as america says goodbye to with 39th president. will the latest on preparations for his services. that is next. i wasn't ready for retirement. becoming a visiting angels caregiver is such a rewarding job. every day i make a difference in the lives of those who matter most - our seniors - who may need a little extra help. if you have more to give, and compassion in your heart, begin a new career as a visiting angels caregiver. apply today. ♪ visiting angels america's choice in home care ♪
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>> jacqui: welcome back. live at the carter center in atlanta were former president jimmy carter is lying in repose. jonathan. >> good morning to you jacky. inside the carter center the atmosphere is quiet and yet joyful after all this is the celebration of the 100 year long life well lived. in fact, we spoke with one woman who traveled all the way here from minnesota. >> everything from his work in that boundary waters, to work for people with disabilities. and really just finding what you do after the presidency i think is pretty amazing. so i wanted to come and say thank you. >> of the drive from the former
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president's hometown of plains, georgia, to atlanta yesterday, the motorcade carrying the casket made a brief stop in front of the georgia capitol building where mr. carter served as governor in the early 1970s. win planning his own funeral the former president was very intentional about having his body light in repose at the carter presidential center which houses his international nonprofit that monitors elections, moderates pieced talks and eradicates disease. on tuesday the former presidents are amazed and will travel to washington, d.c., in the u.s. capitol rotunda until a state funeral on thursday morning at the washington national cathedral. later that day mr. carter's body will return to his hometown for a private service in the baptist church where he used to teach sunday school almost every week and then later that day his body will be interred next to his beloved wife rosalyn of 77 years
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under a willow tree under their property where the two have lived for many years. jacqui? >> jacqui: grateful for his service to the nation. thank you very much jonathan. and be sure to tune in for a live coverage as the nation says goodbye to hour 39th president. bringing you all the key moments as el
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