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latest on the investigations and what steps are being taken to keep travelers safe now. then, where the president's cabinet picks stand in the confirmation process. >> did he say the headquarters should be shut down? i deserve an answer to that question. >> shannon: i will ask senators lindsey graham and john fetterman how they are planning to vote on the president's most controversial nominees. plus, our sunday panel on americans' views of both parties. now that the dust has settled on the 2024 election. all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ >> shannon: hello. fox news in washington. we begin with a look at some of today's top headlines. three more israeli hostages are free after more than a year and hamas captivity in gaza, including one who has dual american citizenship. in exchange, israel released 183 palestinian prisoners. prime minister

benjamin netanyahu is traveling to the u.s. today to meet with president trump about the upcoming second phase of the cease-fire. investigators in philadelphia are still sifting through burned cars, damaged homes, and the charred debris of a medevac jet that crashed shortly after take a friday evening, killing all six people on board and at least one person on the ground. investigators have yet to find the cockpit voice recorder, which could hold important clues about what happened. that deadly crash happened two days after commercial plane and military black hawk helicopter collided here in washington over the potomac on wednesday, killing 67 people. and we learned last night that the federal aviation systems' main online warning system for pilots went down. technoltechnicians have been wog for hours to fix it and the backup system is currently up and running. in a moment we look at the very latest from transportation secretary sean duffy, but first we turned to grady trimble near that potomac crash scene. hello, grady. >> reporter: good morning, shannon. they are around 600 flight

delays across the country right now, as recovery efforts continue along the potomac. crews had pulled 42 of the victims from the river. many of their families are here in the d.c. area after a horrific leak for aviation ntsb investigators are on the scene of back-to-back transportation tragedies on the east coast. on wednesday night, the first deadly commercial plane crash in the u.s. and more than 15 years. an army black hawk helicopter collided with an american airlines flight from wichita, kansas, seconds from landing at washington's reagan national airport. all 67 people involved died. ntsb member todd inman has been spending times with the family members who lost loved ones. >> someone to give us hugs comes on my just mad and angry. they just all hurt. i don't want to have to meet with another set of those parents like that again. it's not fair. >> reporter: with questions

swirling over whether the helicopter was flying too high and whether staffing levels at the aircraft control tower were too low, inman says there are five air traffic controllers working at the time of the crash but only when communicating with planes and helicopters in the air. the black box from the plane, the most accurate measure of altitude, shows it was around 325 feet at the moment of impact. but preliminary data indicates the control tower saw the helicopter at the same time was about 200 feet. ntsb cannot yet explain that discrepancy. president trump claims dei hiring practices for air traffic controllers during the previous administration also bear some of the blame. >> are you saying race or gender played a role in this tragedy? >> it may have. i don't know. incompetence might have played a role. >> reporter: two days after the midair collision over the potomac, a medical plane crashed in philadelphia and killed all six mexican nationals on board and one person on the ground, injuring 19 more.

to have reagan national's three runways remain closed, including the one that american flight was supposed to land on, so the airport doesn't interfere with as recovery efforts. transportation secretary sean duffy is restricting helicopters from flying over the potomac near the airport with some exceptions until the ntsb releases its preliminary report on the crash. shannon? >> shannon: grady trimble, near the site of that crash, thank you very much. we turn now to lucas tomlinson in florida. he is live covering the president. hello, lucas. >> reporter: shannon, president trump has slept tariffs on the u.s.'s biggest trading partners, which some could fear could spark a trade war. canada, mexico, and ti tine are already retaliating. president trump's new tariffs will go into effect tuesday. 25% on canada and mexico, and 10% on china. 10% tariffs will be placed on

canadian energy. trump acknowledged friday that could raise domestic prices. >> there could be some type or a short-term deception and people will understand that. >> reporter: the estimate the tariffs could lead to an immediate jump on u.s. gas prices by up to $0.70 a gallon. canada supplies about 60% of the crude oil the u.s. imports. trump says he wants to produce more domestically. >> they treated us very unfairly in trade , and we will be able to make that up very quickly, because hs that we have. we have all the oil we need. >> reporter: defending the move. >> some of the risk of inflation people talked about is likely overstated. some will be absorbed by the producers. >> reporter: and capitol hill, his pick to lead health and human services, fbi, and national intelligence received the confirmation hearings, key republicans wasting uncertainty about some of them.

>> i have not made a final decision. >> reporter: the vice president taking to the airwaves with a warning to wavering g.o.p. senators. >> you don't get to make these decisions. president trump gets to make these decisions, and he already has. >> reporter: he won his first acts, he ordered super hornets from the u.s. s harry s. truman to strike prices targets in somalia, killing a senior planner and other terrorists. benjamin netanyahu will be the first foreign leader to meet president trump since he returned to the white house. shannon? >> shannon: lucas, very much. lucas tomlinson in west palm beach. joining me now, transportation secretary sean duffy. mr. secretary, welcome to ""fox news sunday"." >> secretary duffy: thank you, shannon. >> shannon: i want to stop asking you about the warning system for pilots that was down overnight. can you give us an update on where you stand with that? >> secretary duffy: before we do that, i want to extend my

deepest condolences to the families that lost loved ones this past week in these air disasters. i want to say thank you to all the first responders who did such a heroic job on the scene. we are all grateful for them. i want to say that first. but yeah, by the way, it is to be notice to airmen and how it is noticed to admission. the last administration changed the name because of their gender ideology concerns, but that system went down last night. the backup system is not up and running as we try to get the primary system online. it's an old antiquated system. it has to be upgraded. that is in the works and it's been in the works for years. we have to wash this new system online because this is the second time in two years it's gone down gone down. >> shannon: i'm glad you mentioned the crews working around the clock trailing by this area, i drive by that site every morning and every evening, and these people are working on the clock, dedicated, doing anything they can to offer some amount of closure or help to

these families of the victims so hats off to them. i want to talk about the situation with staffing and what's been reported about what was going on in the air traffic control tower here in washington on wednesday night. "the new york times" says the staffing at the air traffic control tower at reagan national airport was not normal for the time of day and volume of traffic. that is according to an internal preliminary faa safety report. can you offer any more clarity about what was going on that night with staffing? >> secretary duffy: again, i'll take the faa at their word that it wasn't normal. that's part of the review process we have to do. there was a consolidation of air traffic controllers an hour before it was supposed to happen, during the time of this crash. what was the appropriateness of that? what are we doing to surge air traffic controllers in this country? a different story, but we have enough air traffic controllers for very long time. we are working with the faa to go, how do we surge the best and the brightest to get is the

academy, to get trained up, make sure we don't have the staffing issues? our air traffic controllers are stressed out, tapped out, overworked. that's no excuse, it's just the reality of what we have in the system. we have a plan that's going to come out to fix the problem, but the issue is you can't flip a switch, shannon, and get air traffic control is here tomorrow. it takes years to train them up. that's one of the questions we are going to ask. what happened in the tower, what was going on with the staffing? what should've been done, and what was done? what was the language used by the air traffic controller? was it appropriate? today appropriate the direct traffic consistent with procedures that the faa? will also have the question about the position of the black hawk. the elevation of the black hawk. where the pilots wearing night vision goggles? if so, why were they flying a mission at 9:00 at night through really busy airspace around dca as opposed to flying that mission at 1:00 in the morning where there's very little traffic? i want our military to be trained up and ready to go, but

i also want air travel is to be safe, as well, and there's a time in the place to do it, not at 9:00 at night when there's heavy traffic. >> shannon: you mentioned this more broadly, the issue of air traffic controllers. "the new york times" reporting that more than 90% of the air traffic control facilities on this country are operating below the recommended staffing levels. last year when the congress passed a massive faa reauthorization, they said at that point we re down about 3,000 air traffic controllers. so first question, are our airways and airports safe? >> secretary duffy: yeah, they are. we have the safest skies in the whole world. traveling by air is the safest mode of transportation. just to that point, if it wasn't safe, if there was an issue with air traffic controllers are staffing, they couldn't keep the system and the people safe in it. the faa would shut it down. we have redundancies in place. it's not as air traffic controllers, but we do have technologies on airplanes to keep them separated.

so, this is the safest system. our system does need to be upgraded for sure, and i will have a conversation about that, if you want, but it is safe to fly. >> shannon: is that a funding issue for having more air traffic controllers? is it, as you mention, the recruiting and the retention issue? is it a mix of those things? >> secretary duffy: there's a number of issues. during covid there was an issue where they shut down the academies, and then when the academies reopened, the class sizes were smaller. and even though our graduates from the academy got out, they couldn't get into a tower to train at. that happened for two years. so we saw a plummet of air traffic controllers. there is a mandatory retirement age for controllers, 55 years old. so every year we have people cycling out of the business. we need more young people coming in. again, you can't focus on diversity, equity, and inclusion when you try to hire air traffic controllers. you focus on the best and brightest. again, some people may like to

have this conversation around equity, but if it is your pilots or your air traffic controllers, you want the best of the brightest protecting yourself and your family. that's what we are going to do at the department for every air traveler, getting great students to make sure our skies are safe. >> shannon: at this point, as you mention, they are very early on so we don't know if any of that had an impact on either of these situations. we will talk about philadelphia, too. congressman jennifer mcclellan, a democrat out of virginia, she says it is irresponsible to blame anything or anyone right now that does a disservice to the lives that were lost. has this conversation about dei become a distraction in the middle of this whole thing? >> secretary duffy: shannon, the mission of d.o.t. and faa is safety. when they having a conversation in the last demonstration about changing names from cockpit to flight deck, or notice to airmen to notice to air mission because it is too gender specific, the

focus on social justice and environment, racist roads, and evs, they lost sight of the mission of this department. so we have no place for anything other than the best and the brightest. when you look at what went wrong, you have to look at the people you have in place at the d.o.t. and the faa and the leadership and direction that leadership gives them. it's been misplaced over the last four years. we are back on mission and focused on safety and having the best people delivering that safety. i don't know about your race, religion, sexual preference, that doesn't matter. just the best in the brightest. >> shannon: i want to play something from ntsb. tom inman said this last night about the recommendations that come from that agency. >> unfortunately at some point we are still going to have to with the recitation open and make liquidations. east palestine, a community that is devastated, still. open for aviation, you want to do something about it?

adopted the recordation of the ntsb. you will save lives. stable and he sounded very frustrated. when he said ntsb recommendations need to be adopted, who does that mean? by congress, other agencies? what did that mean? >> secretary duffy: it is part of the d.o.t., the faa, and part of congress. there's a lot of regulations there. i've talked to the ntsb. we want to put a list together of the top 10-15 recommendations they've made, focus on them, and start to implement them. shannon, our air traffic control system, a lot of the technology dates back to world war ii. we developed the best technology in this country and other people use it, but we don't implement t here. so we have to have a conversation with congress, get the best minds and resources to come up with a plan to upgrade the american system. it'll make it more efficient, it'll make it safer. if i hear donald trump talk about this once, he talked about it ten times. the air traffic control system doesn't work in america as effectively as in other places in the world. let's upgrade it. we should be the best.

i need congress' help on that one. but there's other conditions, i'm going to work with the ntsb to categorize them from the most avoid to least important and such implement. >> shannon: it can be hard to get things done over there. mr. secretary, thank you very much. we appreciate your time and wish you all the best and the challenges of this new job. >> secretary duffy: thank you, shannon. >> shannon: we have had senators from both sides of the aisle here to weigh in on the fate of president trump's latest of cabinet nominees, with razor-thin margins expected. are they ready to not their votes? i'll ask. and next he will bring in our sunday panel with her thoughts on the president's moves to slash the federal workforce. how that's going down. ♪ ♪

>> people have been trying to reduce federal government now for 40 years, 45 years, and they haven't been able to do it. this is a way of doing it, i think, very nicely. and sort of a buyout, too. i think we are treating people very good. but if they don't show up, we have it published a very serious goal. we are trying to reduce government. sku and president trump talk about his buyout plan, offering millions of federal workers eight months of salary if they agree to leave their position. it's all part of an aggressive push to shrink the federal workforce. time now for our group, out kit called ms. mary katharine ham. josh holmes, juan williams, and josh kraushaar, editor in chief of the "jewish inside it." you know the deal on the table, there's millions impacted. here's the fork in the road, the designation that has come out in an email but is also on the obm government website. the federal workforce is expected to undergo significant near-term changes. as a result, you may wish to

depart the federal government on terms that provide you with sufficient time and economic security to plan for your future. and they added open could have a nice vacation." >> josh: very kind. i think you are looking at a trump a administration that, think about what they want to do differently. they are trying to reduce the federal footprint and they figure out how to do it. 6% of the federal workforce shows up for work on a day-to-day basis. there is not an american taxpayer anywhere in this country that thinks that is susceptible. this is one way to remedy all of that. >> shannon: senator tim kaine have a democrat out of virginia, says not so fast. here's his warning. >> my message to federal employees who receive this, yeah, the president has tried to terrorize you for about a week, then gives you a little sweetheart offer. he resigned in the next week, we

are just going to pay you for doing nothing for the next seven months. don't be fooled. >> shannon: josh, he's wanting them, and we know a lot of people are considering it around here. seats are the big question is, do you take on the federal workforce with a scalpel or with an ax? this has got elon musk's fingerprints all over it, the changes that are taking place in the federal government. i think a lot of people support a lot of the wasteful initiatives, they dei executive order has been a frustration even for people who are not particularly conservative. but i think it's going be some challenges, because congress need to appropriate the money for the buyouts. and it could cost billions of dollars if enough people take these buyouts, and it may prove to be legally dubious to be able to just cut as much of the workforce as elon musk and donald trump want to do. so i think this is going to have some serious legal challenges to it, and it may prove that, to actually take on the workforce on the federal government, you have to do it a little more carefully. you also want to be careful that you don't lose some of the more essential people, like air traffic control staffers that

are essential. >> we do know there are exceptions carved out. military, those involved with public safety. the faa says they are still on boarding people. so we will see. in the meantime, this is all coming as president trump is getting good news, feeling emboldened about all these things, which are caught up in a lot of legal wrangling. the quinnipiac poll this week says president trump is starting his second term in the white house with a job approval rating ten points higher than at the start of his first presidential term, juan. >> juan: i think it's a honeymoon right now. the question is, how long is the honeymoon lasts, shannon? and what we have seen with recent presidents is at the honeymoon does not last very long. first 100 days, i think bill clinton went down 17, obama went down -- and of course trump went down eight-point in his first term. but i think what you have to understand is that, for this moment, when you look at trump's behavior in the past week, we talk about these federal jobs. what happens -- people don't like government. everyone says, 6% show up, okay,

that's terrible. what happens when you have fbi purging? what happens when you have questions about what's going on at the secret service, at air traffic control? so we have fewer people, does it mean less security for us as americans and for our families can act mean there will be consequences? doesn't mean the stock market suddenly has a reaction to the tariffs? what happens if the stock market goes down? you have to keep in mind two things. honeymoons don't last, and two, trump's approval is higher right now than it ever was in his first term. but it is still not as high as most incoming presidents. >> he's done a lot of things from some of them controversial, some of them legal wrangling likely said. the birthright citizenship order, the federal hiring freeze, all kinds of things like that. but he's feeling very emboldened because the quinnipiac poll shows of the things you want to do or is trying to do, things like trips to the border, that kind of thing. the deadline for "the new york times," trump's

flood the zone strategy leaves opponents gapping and asked rage gasping in our this time it is wider and were brutally efficient. >> mary katharine: when you see things like the rescission on the one memo on the freeze of federal spending, it's out of tact from last time. and oh, to be terrorized like a federal worker with an eight month severance package free will someone please terrorize me? i've ever been terrorize in such a way before. some service workers have protections that the american people don't know about, never been familiarized with. i think one of their goals in doing this is to advertise the way that federal workers are treated differently than normal americans in their jobs. they are being asked to come to work. to a lot of americans that does not seem unreasonable. trump nine to mike juan has a point. the american people asked for change, he said he was going to change things.

there is a sliding scale on the mandate for disruption and how much you can withstand. but the leviathan is going to resist the harpoons being thrown at it and i think federal workers to risk overplaying their hands by thinking they are the most important thing to democracy. many people in america who are working differently than federal workers do do not see them as the pillar of democracy they see themselves as. they see them as federal employees work at taxpayer expense. >> shannon: they have to make a decision by february 6th, it'll be interesting to see. panel, do not go far, because the president's most controversial nominees were grilled on the hill at the president and his allies lean on g.o.p. senators to swiftly confirm his nominees, or some say there's a possibility of a primary. we will ask senators john fetterman and lindsey graham have a plan to vote. they are just ahead. ♪ ♪ mpus, getting a bachelor's degree doesn't have to mean starting from scratch. here you can earn up to 90 undergraduate credits

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yeah, you are. ♪ yeah, you are. speak of the senate has already confirmed eight of president trump's exceptional cabinet nominees. we expect the senate to continue quickly confirming the remainder of president trump's well-qualified nominees in the days ahead. >> shannon: white house press secretary karoline leavitt feeling optimistic about the rest of president trump's cabinet nominees making it through the senate, but the toughest are still to come. our next guest may hold one of the key votes page when he is now, senator john fetterman. welcome back to fox news sunday.

>> senator fetterman: how are you? >> shannon: i'm great. let's start with rfk jr. he's been to his hearing. this is what "the washington post" says. his confirmation hearings were even worse than expected. the hhs nominee answers to the senator's questions were absurd and dangerous. i know you've had multiple conversations with him. where are you this morning? >> senator fetterman: i have. i've invested a lot of time to really understand his background and to learn more about the man, and i sat down with him twice in my office to have a conversation. so whatever the vote comes down on, that's going to come with an informed view. i approached with an open mind, and i watched the hearing, and that is how the process works. >> shannon: so have you made a decision? >> senator fetterman: well, i've been following it, and i talked to my colleagues on both sides. i've said this on the record, it

has been challenging, for sure. absolutely. it is certainly not a slam-dunk for the nomination. >> shannon: will you reveal your vote before you get to the floor, or is this going to be a game-time decision for you? sweet tea right before stick my thumb it's just part of an ongoing dialogue on where we are with this. but i have made an investment to really understand and talk to all the nominees, and i've treated everyone with respect, and i took the time to listen. and that has been my commitment. >> shannon: okay. so you've also met with kash patel, tasked to lead the fbi. there's reports that he has assured you he would not go after a so-called enemies list. have you made a decision on him? >> senator fetterman: again, that's part of the process, too. i believe i am one of the few

democrats who have met with all of them. again, i have approached all of them with that open mind to have a conversation, and i don't trust many of the things written about me were not true, so i assume the same of them, too. i have maintained dialogue to really understand and i have watched these hearings, and that is part of -- the hard job is to consent, and that's part of the process. there are some, out of all of them, have voted for them and there are some that i won't vote for them, but it's going to be about an open process that i have maintained throughout the entire time. >> shannon: i know that includes meeting with tulsi gabbard, as well. she's got concerns from both sides of the aisle. can he tell us more about your conversations with her and if you've landed on a decision regarding her? >> senator fetterman: and pretty much the exact same as

the two that you just brought up. >> shannon: you had, as you noted, voted for some of president trump's nominees in this process, and you are one of the only democrats to vote for the laken riley act. we saw you as part of the signing ceremony with her family and with president trump this week. there's been some blowback from the left about voting for that act, about the i.c.e. raids going on across country. some say they're not going to cooperate, they're going to actively block these, or give people advice on how to avoid the raids. here are some local officials reacting in the last few days. >> police officers will not be cooperating with federal law enforcement, around federal immigration law. >> being a welcoming city sickly states are local police department will not behave as federal agents. >> we have a ordinance, a state law that generally prohibits our police department from participating in immigration

enforcement. >> shannon: what obligations do or don't you think they have with respect to the deportations? >> senator fetterman: i hope every local official would agree that any of the migrants that are here with criminal backgrounds or engaging in criminal behavior, they should support that. now, if i.c.e. comes to round them up, i hope they would provide that kind of support. i would certainly never support terrorizing otherwise innocent migrants in those kinds of situations, or kicking in a door at a school. but i think we can all agree that every migrant here with a criminal background or engaging in criminal behavior needs to go. >> shannon: you are also the only democrat vote in trying to move to give it a pushing back against the icc, for they decision to go after benjamin netanyahu, among others. this illegitimate court

counteraction act was supposed to impose sanctions with respect to the icc, engaged in any effort to investigate, arrest, detain, or prosecute any protected person of the united states and its allies. why do you think you're the only democrat to vote on moving that procedurally? >> senator fetterman: i said that on social media, that i was incredibly disappointed. i absolutely disagree with that. i can't really understand why my party has not joined me in voting to sanction the icc. when you have equivocated the democratic leader of our special ally with the rapists and cowards of hamas, especially after what you've seen come after terrorizing that poor hostage, you have hundreds and hundreds of people. the chaos. they have equivocated that with the prime minister. it is vile. my colleague that's going to be next up on your show, we have had a long going conversation in order to sanction the icc.

and i was absolutely supportive of that, and i can't really defend why my party chose not to. >> shannon: the prime minister's on his way to washington to have meetings, including at the white house of president trump. do you think they will be a different relationship between the u.s. and israel with the trump of administration versus the biden administration? >> senator fetterman: this going to be some situations where i absolutely support some of the decisions with israel that joe biden made, and i'm going to agree with some of the decisions with president trump, or disagree with him, as well. but that is why my vote and my voice is going to follow israel through all of the situation. i'm going to disagree with either of the presidents, but i am going to stand with israel, just like that vote against the icc, and absolutely was supporting blocking the ban on the 2,000-pound bombs, as well. i fully support bringing this

back. >> shannon: senator, we'll watch for for your votes on these criminal them at critical nominees thanks for coming on. >> senator fetterman: thank you for having. >> shannon: journey is not as your colleague, the senator from south carolina, lindsey graham. welcome back, senator. >> senator graham: thank you. >> shannon: i want to ask about something that you and senator fetterman have worked on a few things, but a possible sign onto this resolution with regard to iran's nuclear program. part of that resolution says all actions should be considered. you and i have had this conversation about whether you mean a u.s. military strike in iran. what do you mean? what are you urging president trump to keep open as an option? >> senator graham: we are trying to define the world in which we live accurately. senator fetterman has been a champion for the state of israel. i went to him and asked him, would you work with me to do a census senate resolution saying that, over decades, iran has been trying to acquire a nuclear

weapon, not a nuclear power plant? that they are the largest state-sponsored terrorism, that they would blow israel off the map if they had a nuclear weapon? they would come after us? and he said, i would be glad to. what this resolution does, it lays out the case against iran's nuclear ambition. bibi and the israelis are going to have to make a decision relatively soon, what to do about the iran nuclear program. this is not an authorization to use force, but i am here to tell you in the audience and the world that i think america should support an effort by israel, if they decide to decimate the iranian nuclear program, because i think it is a threat to mankind. israel is strong, iran is weak. hezbollah and hamas have been decimated. did not finish off, but they have been weekend, and there is an opportunity to hit the iran nuclear program in a fashion i haven't seen in decades, and i think it would be in the world's interest for us to

decimate the iranian nuclear threat while we can. if we don't, we will regret it later, and senator fetterman has been a champion on this and every other issue regarding israel. >> shannon: it sounds like you are saying it's more about supporting israel if they decide to strike versus us. >> senator graham: yes. they need some assistance, but it would be their actions. >> shannon: i want to try to get some answers from you on some of these nominees pray let's start with rfk jr. you've been one of the most pro-life folks in the senate for a long time. the national review has this. "pro-lifers should be especially wary of a man who publicly advocated legislation to codify roe v. wade in 2023, and affirmed in 2024 that he supported legal abortion even if it is full-term." given your dedication to that topic, is it something you're willing to compromise on? >> senator graham: i am now okay supporting rfk jr., because i think during the course of the hearing he has committed to a

republican pro-life agenda. president trump's pro-life agenda, mexico city policy, dealing with chemical abortions. so i will take him at his word. i'm comfortable with what he said on the pro-life issue. he has been radically approa, bi believe he will be pushed by president trump. but i will be a "yes." i will watch every move he makes. >> shannon: assume you're a "yes" on rfk jr. and on kash patel. what about tulsi gabbard? >> senator graham: yes. i will b.s. on her. i was waiting to see what she said about 702. that was to attract foreigners overseas, involved in plots against the country. i served in a reserve unit with her. i've always liked her. i think a lot of the criticism against her has been really mean and off-base, that i will be a "yes." she showed an understanding of how vital 702 is. so i will be a "yes" on rfk jr.,

tulsi gabbard, and kash patel knocked it out of the park. he is the antidote to crossfire hurricane. he's going to go in and clean the fbi out to make sure it is never abused like it was in the past, and crossfire hurricane was one of the saddest, most dangerous chapters in fbi history. he's the guy who helped expose it and he will be the solution, not the problem, when it comes to the fbi. >> shannon: you know that much of what he faced in questioning was about retribution, about what he's going to deal with in the fbi. he's not there yet, that my colleagues at foxnews.com report that acting attorney general neil bove sent a memo friday evening directing him to terminate eight fbi employees and identify all current and former bureau personnel assigned to january 6th and hamas cases for an internal review. senator blumenthal, your colleague, says "i'm appalled by this vile retaliation for agencies that hold a candle of people who stabbed cops with flagpoles and crushed officers until they broke bones.

the sounds from my republican colleagues is disgusting and deafening." your response? >> senator graham: number one, as to changing personnel at the fbi, i think that's a good place to start. how do you expect the fbi to change if you keep everybody in place that has been part of the problem? i have been open about the january 6th pardons of people who committed violent acts against cops. i don't like it. but we are talking about the fbi, we are talking about people who look the other way, or part of the problem, allowed the fbi to get warrants against an american citizen called carter page based on russian disinformation called the steele dossier. they lied to the court. so i'm looking forward to some of these people finding a new job. if you are an agent working on january 6th or some of the case and you are assigned to do it, you shouldn't be punished just for doing your job. idea of keeping everybody in place in the government after trump won the election is insane. i think he should have the

ability to put people in management positions that share his vision of how to move forward on the american first agenda. there's nothing unusual about that to me. >> shannon: i want to ask you quickly about the tariffs. mexico and canada as a single will issue full retaliatory tariffs in exchange. china is going to the world trade organization. your colleague, senator coons, put out the statement when they became official yesterday. he says, president trump said he would drive down prices to make america more affordable. then on day 13 of his presidency he imposed tariffs it will send prices skyrocketing. is it a good move? >> senator graham: i think 3,000 americans die every two weeks from fentanyl poising coming across the border. they make the drugs in mexico, the precursors come from china, we have been overrun in terms of 11 million illegals coming across the mexican border. if you want tariffs to go away, mexico and china come stop poisoning americans. stop sending fentanyl into

america to kill americans. if you want to have a better relationship with the united states, do your part on the other side of the border. to our friends in canada, i appreciate what you're doing on the northern border. i think these tariffs are designed to get these countries to change their behavior. i am glad that we are pushing back against china and mexico when it comes to fentanyl poisoning of america. i'm glad we are putting everybody on notice that the old way of doing business is over. there has been a 60% drop in illegal crossings in ten days, so these tariffs i think are designed to bring about change, and if the change comes, i think the tariffs probably go. >> shannon: senator graham, always great to have you. thanks for the time today. >> senator graham: thank you. >> shannon: the dnc electing a new chairman. new poll numbers show how americans are feeling about democrats. will the new boss be able to unite a divided party? our panel tackles that next. music and

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dreams begin here. >> there has never been a native american in leadership at the dnc. >> i don't think it's a good idea to do a muslim caucus if we are not going to do a jewish caucus jewish caucus. >> you pledge to appoint more than one transgender person to an at-large seat can mexico raise your hand if you would commit to it she asked. >> ♪ when your government is doing you wrong ♪ ♪ you fight on ♪ ♪ oh, you fight on ♪ >> shannon: this is some of the candidates battling it out to be the next democratic national committee chair. ken martin was selected for the position on saturday. he's going to be tasked with helping the party to reset after big election losses. they're back now with the panel. juan for this comes after the quinnipiac headline. a stunning finding her negative views of the democratic party outpace positive ones by 26 points. 31 favorable, 57% unfavorable, and that is the highest ever in quinnipiac's pulling dating back to g has an. so ken martin.

>> it's a wake-up call for democrats. they don't have a clear message in response to trump other than they don't like us a trump. secondly, they don't have a clear leader, so the selection of martin is very interesting to me in that he is no radical. there were protests out there yesterday, and environments a group. they are pushing for leftist positions especially on climate. ken martin and the democrats right now, the democratic leadership, the people who voted, clearly they are moving toward the middle. they are still in the biden mode in terms of what they want to present as a face to the american people. so what he had to say yesterday was, we are not elon musk, we are not radical and crazy on the right, we are not trying to impose tariffs. we want to make things work, we want to make cities work, we want to make your social safety net, your medicaid work, we're not going to take it away. that's a democrats' best message at the moment. it's all they got. stealing a memo to every democrat pondering a 2028

presidential run about staying away from the more radical ideas, saying this. this election conclusively proved that a democrat cannot embrace the far left groups to please the activists in the primary an end simply pivot to stances that voters actually like in the final months of the general election campaign. if you want a best position for 2028, publicly distance yourself from far left losing ideas. mary katharine, they talked about abolishing the police, wiping out every single student loan, declaring climate emergency. they were very clear on what they were telling peter democrat candidates to stay away from trade. >> mary katharine: the democrats i think are culturally dominant for a long time, backed by a lot of cultural forces for many decades, and got very hubristic about their positions. now they have lost the pitch that we can make things work, because they demonstrably did not. a perfect example of this and why i think the democrats are so disoriented in his position at the moment is that they lost a generation-long double-digit lead on trust in education from

2022 now. it will persist. the national report card came out this week with devastating results, showing that students are not coming back from the learning loss that some of them encourage starting in kindergarten, being tested right now. that kind of thing is a marker in many areas of governance. the democrats have lost ground, and gaining trust back will take a long effort, i think. >> shannon: as we talked about in the last panel, their suit if overwhelmed by everything president trump and republicans are throwing at them right now, but congress and gerry connolly out of virginia said this, they going to stumble, they're going to screw up, and we are going to pounce when they do in their haste to remake the federal government. they going to make big, big mistakes. and they pointing to some of what happened this week, at least to backtrack on the omb memo. >> josh: cuts can be popular, that when you cut essential services, a head, medicaid, that could potentially lose support. it's often very important to not spend your capital too fast,

because a lot of the stuff that trump has been doing, as we've been talking about, is quite popular. but when you generate a backlash can you give them something to run on. the quinnipiac poll, what was so notable, the image of the democratic party is the lowest in the poll's history. a not sure if it's automatically going to be a backlash against trump. democrats have a positive message and they have to run away from some of this identity identitarianism. >> shannon: "the new york times" says president trump is anchored by the media coverage, they were caught off guard at the white house, they were furious about not being read into the process. >> josh: i think mary katharine hit the nail on the head and it stands out. they were trying to figure out how these orders would actually be implemented. this time around it is in a category of one. everything else has been relatively smooth. they've had to juggle this a little bit. i love my friend juan, trying to

wish cass that they've gotten to the middle. if you watch for like 2 minutes, the middle was not to be seen. >> juan: but if you look at dei, you understand how the democrats might have a chance to come back. >> shannon: we've got to go. more in pay-per-view during the commercial pay panel, we will see you next sunday. up next, to colleagues with different political viewpoints offer a road map for finding common ground in our sunday special. ♪ ♪ imagine checking your own heart with medical precision from anywhere. introducing kardiamobile 6l, the fda-cleared ekg that provides six-times more heart data than any smartwatch. and it detects three of the most common arrhythmias in just 30 seconds, including atrial fibrillation, bradycardia and tachycardia. check your heart with the most advanced personal ekg outside the hospital. get yours at kardia.com or amazon. ♪

>> shannon: prince of professors cornel west and robert george have unique friendship, ideologically oppos, but determined to bridge division through honest conversations. in a new book, "truth matters," they explore how we can work to understand each other better and find truth in a deeply divided time. here's part of my chat with them. >> dr. west come you say that dr. george is a truth seeker. he's willing to engage. and right now people can't even agree on what the truth is. so how does this work? >> i think it has to do with a quality of character that might be that she means what he says, he speaks from his heart, but he has a sense of humility. that is a benchmark of spiritual maturity. >> shannon: he said some really nice things about you,

too. you are very strong in your opinions, but not so much that you aren't willing to engage in this conversation about trying to find truth. >> in our discussions and dialogues, even where we deeply disagree about some issues, we have in common a desire to get out the truth of the matter. speak of what he think people can take from this book, from those principles and that conversation about if it's a family member or friend or somebody you become complete the cut off from because you have such ideological differences? then learning the value of this kind of friendship and conversation. >> the lesson should be a person, an honest decent person who disagrees with you, has an honest disagreement with you, is not your enemy. he is to be engaged with in a truth seeking spirit, understanding that, although i may have something to teach him, i may also have something to learn from it. >> do you agree to disagree? >> i've already learned so much from him, but also as christians

we deeply believe in the almighty god. therefore, that is not reducible to politics. love never reducible to just politics. >> it is always so easy to interpret what your critic or challenger is saying in the worst light. don't do that. interpret it in its very best light. >> shannon: have we lost some of those skills? how do we redevelop those as a society? >> we have lost a lot of those skills. with integrity, honesty, decency, compassion, and openness, or are we manipulating, transacting, and dominating? >> shannon, there's a beautiful part of the liturgy in the jewish tradition for yom kippur, the day of atonement. the congregation goes through the various sins from the ten commandments, and what i find so fascinating, we have been zealots for bad causes.

now, nobody is ever a zealot for a bad cause deliberately. they become zealots for bad causes because we don't recognize the cause is bad. we think the cause is good. we think we are warriors for justice, for right, for truth. but we need to be self-critical enough to realize that we are frail, fallible, fallen human beings who can make mistakes. not only about modern superficial trivial things, but even about the big great issues. so we always have to keep that self-critical spirit, maintained that intellectual humility. >> thing regulations on the book and your continued conversation. and a sample for the rest of us and certainly for the country, as well. >> shannon: thanks to them. it is groundhog day in western pennsylvania. big news this morning, punxsutawney phil did in fact see his shadow, predicting six more weeks of winter. huge crowd there. janice dean having a good time, but not real happy with the results. heads up, "fox news sunday" is going on the road. we will be in new orleans one week from today live from the

superdome had a super bowl lix. we have really cool behind the scenes scoop and we cannot wait to show you. that's it for today, tho h i'm not happy with the way that pg&e handled the wildfires. yeah. yeah. i totally, totally understand. we're adding a ton of sensors. as soon as something comes in contact with the power line, it'll turn off so that there's not a risk that it's gonna fall to the ground and start a fire. okay. and i want you to be able to feel the improvements. we've been able to reduce wildfire

risk from our equipment by over 90%. that's something i want to believe. [skateboard sounds] we're back in martinez after that fire broke out yesterday. we'll give you a live look at what it's looking like right now. [music] >> and investigators piecing together the moments before a deadly mid-air collision in our nation's capital. what new details reveal about the final seconds and the key questions still unanswered? plus. >> i am announcing canada will be responding to the u.s. trade action with 25% tariffs against $155 billion worth of american goods. >> canada'sme