he's the first major republican to do so. he visited our studios and sat down with my colleague. more latinos. it's plain and simple. california is broken. we are failing, and we are failing. our residents, our californians. and it's it's not our californians fault. it's not the people's fault. it's government's fault could be a challenge. there's been no republican winning statewide since 2006. thanks so much for watching. this week we end with a memorable protester at the high speed rail event in downtown la. democracy is almost dead. ♪ ♪ >> shannon: i'm shannon bream. president trump ramps up pressure on you came to broker a peace deal as the war enters a fourth year. >> president zelenskyy is in a terrible job.

it dictated right stomach without elections. zelenskyy better move faster or he's not going to have a country left. >> shannon: a war of words for he knew uncertainty over negotiations to end russia's war on ukraine. as a president shakes at pentagon leadership, replacing the nation's highest ranking letter officer. defense secretary pete hegseth joins us exclusively on this and plans to cut thousands of civilian jobs in the pentagon bureaucracy. then... >> this is a chainsaw for bureaucracy. >> shannon: d.o.g.e. estimate sweeping cuts to federal spending, claiming more than $55 billion in savings. and elon musk said some of that money could end up as a refund check in your mailbox. we discussed the political impacts exclusively with republican congressman jim jordan and jim himes, the top democrat on the house intelligence committee. plus... >> a very strong warning. if you don't comply with the law, your next. >> shannon: legal battles heat up over the trump administration's scores of executive orders, from sanctuary

cities to federal layoffs. how the battle over executive clara might play out in our nation's highest courts. all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ hello from fox news in washington. we begin with a look at some of today's top headlines. the vatican says pope francis spent a restful night after expressing a respiratory crisis saturday. he's been struggling with double pneumonia and a lung infection. we are going to take you live to rome with an update on that later this hour. germans going to the poll to decide whether to keep the social democratic party in power or take a turn in any election being closely watched in europe and by the white house. french president emmanuel macron and british prime minister keir starmer i headed to washington this week to meet with president trump. they are working on a plan to deploy up to 30,000 european peacekeepers in ukraine if the

pco between kyiv and moscow can be reached. much more from defense secretary pete hegseth, but first we begin with another busy week for the trump administration. lucas tomlinson is talking at the white house. >> shannon, president trump is here at the white house after addressing a throng of supporters at cpac to mark his first month back in office. >> reporter: an enthusiastic crofd president donald trump outside the nation's capital. trump told him his predecessor left him a mess. >> joe was the worst. everything a thing he touched turned to [bleep]. >> reporter: trump tout it is a compliment and promised to do more. >> the fraudsters, liars, cheaters, globalists, and deep state bureaucrats are being sent packing. the illegal alien criminals are being sent home. we are draining the swamp and restoring government b by the people. >> reporter: aiding trump,

elon musk's department of government efficiency, tearing apart agency searching for waste, fraud, and abuse. but apparently not fasten for the president who posted ahead of the speech, "elon is doing a great job but i would like to see him get more aggressive." musk responded, "will do, mr. president," and tied off this post a few minutes into his speech. "all federal employees will receive an email requesting to understand what they got done last week. failure to respond will be taken as a resignation." friday night trump fired the u.s. military's top officer brown, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. in his place he nominated a retired three-star air force lieutenant general who first met trump in iraq in 2018, where trump claims he said the islamic state could be destroyed in a week. defense secretary pete hegseth later fired the navy's top officer in the air force's

number two officer as well as the top military lawyers for the rv, navy, and air force. they visited warsaw last week calling polin a model ally in europe. at cpac, poland's president duda met with trump ahead of his speech and later spoke to fox. >> interpreter: i just his efficiency and i chose he's going to bring an efficient and lasting peace in ukraine. >> reporter: when asked if he trusted vladimir putin, the polish president replied he's a former kgb officer. shannon? >> shannon: lucas tomlinson for us at the light has, thank you very much. not a fox news correspondent alex hogan in kyiv with more and president trump's efforts to end the russia ukraine war. hello, alex. >> hi, shannon. a political firestorm sending u.s.-ukraine relations into a tailspin this week on the heels of u.s.-russian attacks aimed at bringing the war to end.

president donald trump blasted ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy as a dictator. zelenskyy accused trump of living in a disinformation bubble. zelenskyy's predecessor says ukraine should strike a calmer tone. >> this easily communicate? not at all. we should understand and learn how to speak with him. but if you find out the way, it would be fantastic. >> can you tell me how you assess the current diplomatic tension between ukraine and the u.s. right now? >> unacceptable. this is too risky. as ukraine win with this contradiction? no. by the way, does the united states win with his contradiction? no. and could you tell me one person who benefits from this contradiction? yes. his name is putin. >> reporter: kyiv's ever-expanding military cemetery

is a reminder of the cost of war. at the grave of one soldier, loved ones mark what would have been his 38th birthday. like so many families here, they are divided on what a peace deal now would cost them. >> it's not up to us to stop the war. if we do, then what did my husband, the father of my child, die for gmac. >> interpreter: whatever ends this were some people don't die. >> reporter: president trump says he's working on that and gaining natural resources. >> we are asking for rare earth, oil, anything we can get. we are pretty close to did and we better be close to a deal, because it's been a horrible situation. >> reporter: the deal would share the revenue of ukraine's rare earth minerals by compensating the u.s. for its military support. shannon? >> shannon: alex hogan, reporting from ukraine, thank you. joining us now defense secretary

pete hegseth. welcome to ""fox news sunday"." tomorrow marks three years since the start of this war. russia is planning to declare victory tomorrow. propagandists say they will share messages that the west essentially abandoned ukraine. will it counter that messaging if that is a victory lap russia tried to take? >> sec. hegseth: vladimir putin can attempt to take on the victory laps he wants. the reality is the president's focus on one thing and one thing only, and that is stopping the killing and disruption across ukraine and ensuring an enduring peace. both sides are going to make a lot of claims and the president has very directly engaged both sides in real-time. there are bilateral negotiations with russia. which, by the way, no one else has been able to do. joe biden was never able to bring russia to the table for actual peace talks. only donald trump, he's only man in the world who would be able to do that. he's also engaging directly with ukraine. it's going to be bumps in the road in these conversations when you seek historic piece. and ultimately our role is to do just that, and president trump

is doing that. i don't need to get into the characterization of -- we know who invaded who. they understand the stakes of this game. america more than any other country in the world has invested in helping ukraine defend itself. not time for peace and that's what the president is dedicated to. >> shannon: why hasn't siemens there is reticence on who invaded whom or who is responsible for this? their questions about reports, at a g7 statement, the u.s. opposed calling brush of the aggressor in that statement, and resolutions allegedly at the u.n. the u.s. wants to essentially water down what ukraine is trying to offer. this is what "the wall street journal" reports. the ukrainian draft pins the worst because on russia and calls for a peaceful solution this year built around a russian withdrawal from ukrainian territory. the u.s. resolution makes no reference to started the war and makes no specific demands of the kremlin. your former colleague, my current colleague, brian kilmeade, press the president numerous times on this, and he finally said russia attacked. why does he know's hesitant to

say that? >> sec. hegseth: my question, does all the finger-pointing and pearl clutching make peace more likely? that the enduring question the president is asking. he wants more peace. that's the case, you have to start on the russians and vladimir putin and who they've chosen to negotiate and have her in his about difficult things, security guarantees, 2014 borders, but those will look like, nato membership. same thing with ukraine. constructively and productively. sustaining and saying you are good, you're bad, you are a dictator, you are not a dictator, you invaded, you didn't, it's not useful or productive. president trump isn't getting drawn into that in unnecessary ways. as a result, we are closer to peace today than ever before. i have been privy to these conversations. great progress is being made. zelenskyy should come to the table because this economic partnership is an important thing for the future of his country, and we hope that he will very soon. >> shannon: but they're saying russia attacked unprovoked. three years ago tomorrow.

>> sec. hegseth: fair to say it's a very public aid situation. >> shannon: we will leave it there. you said previously that putin is a maniac, you called in a war criminal. how would you describe them today? ctp is someone we are negotiating with to end a conflict. what i said as a private citizen has no bearing on what my job as a secretary of defense as far as characterization of the regime. have to make sure our troops are ready and be ready to give advice to the president vis-a-vis future military aid, the posture in europe. but i'm not driving these negotiations. mike wells and the secretary of state and the president and others are directly involved in these discussions. with the defense secretary things that vladimir putin is more or less relevant in this. i want peace and the killing to stop. i'm going to play my role, and donald trump is leading it. we are closer today than ever before. >> shannon: does the u.s. have a role in the world stage to say this is a bad person, this is a dictator, this is an aggressor? to be have a responsibility to say that? >> sec. hegseth: we have done that plenty of times. it's not a crazy statement to

say there was an incursion into ukraine, there was an invasion into ukraine. it was the previous demonstrations who said a minor incursion and then welcomed vladimir putin that she took that as a signal of weakness and entered. the other thing to step back and ukraine it's really important, every part of this discussion for president trump is from a position of strength. the perception from vladimir putin that donald trump is strong and means what he says has driven them and the ukrainian to the table with an opportunity for peace. there is nothing weak about it. there was obama and biden that allowed the russians to take land and take territory and be aggressors. donald trump never has. he's going to bring peace that nobody else would be able to do. >> shannon: a couple of deals trying to come together here, one that would end the conflict but a separate one with the u.s. and ukraine potentially about rare-earth minerals, security guarantees that we may provide them in that scenario. so there's that and there's also these foreign leaders from france and the u.k. coming this week to the white house.

alex talked about them potentially putting together a 30,000 strong force of peacekeepers. is there any scenario, whether it's a rare earth minerals agreement, this force that the europeans want to stand up, any scenario in which u.s. troops are on the ground and ukraine? >> sec. hegseth: no pay leave very clear about that. u.s. troops will not be on the ground in ukraine. but an economic partnership is important, and important commitment to ukraine. my message in brussels, which ruffled some feathers, and that's okay, my point there was to inject realism into the conversation -- was, on the continent, europe should lead. it's encouraging to see the european leaders saying we are prepared to step in in ukraine and help provide security guarantees. we welcome that i would hope they step up and do it. >> shannon: starting friday night comes in big changes at the pentagon and personnel and leadership and assignments. senator reed, who is as you know a veteran, he is the ranking member on the senate armed services committee, he says a clear message is being

sent to military leaders, failure to demonstrate personal and political loyalty to trump could result in retribution even after decades of honorable service. he goes on to say his military officers must remain free to give their best military advice without fear of reprisal. is there room in military leadership for those who have loyalty to president trump but to those who may feel like that could be in conflict at some point to the constitution? >> sec. hegseth: at the total mischaracterization from senator reed, as has been most of the hyperbole in the press around this. there is civilian control the military. nothing about this is unprecedented. the president deserves to pick his key national security and military advisory team. there are lots of presidents who have made changes, from fdr to eisenhower to h.w. bush, to barack obama, who dismissed hundreds of military during his term. there were six 3-star and 4-star generals moved, out of 160.

this is a reflection of the president wanting the right people around him to execute the national security approach we want to take, and i have a lot of respect for cq brown. i got to know him over the course of the month. he's not the right man for the moment and ultimately the president made that call, and dan is going to be a fantastic chairman. i look forward to working with him. he will give straightforward advice as he did to president trump on the defeat of isis. no one said it could be done in a matter of weeks. he said it could come and guess what can make it happen. and the president respects leaders to untie the hands of war fighters in a very dangerous world. i think dan kane is the man to meet the moment. sku and there's a list of people you put together that could be cleaned out. is anybody left on the list that exists? >> sec. hegseth: there's no list, shannon. i've seen that very remarry. although we have a very keen i toured military leadership, and their willingness to follow

lawful orders for this is about defending the constitution. joe biden gave lawful orders. a lot of them are really bad, and it's unfortunate how they eroded our military. ideological, covert mandates. president trump has given another set of lawful orders, and they will be followed. all these orders are in keeping with the constitution and norms inside the military. if they're not followed, then those officers will find the door, and that's not a tough calculation. we feel really good about the direction the pentagon is headed under president trump. we are going to focus on war fighting and lethality and accountability and be the most transparent pentagon folks have seen in a long time, which is why explain these things at a regular basis. >> shannon: part of what you said on friday night is that you're going to be looking for replacements through the judge advocate general for several of the branches. people may not know, they give advice to military about what is lawful and what isn't. not surprisingly, there's been some backlash to those who are worried about the removal. one georgetown law professor says this, trump firing the army

and navy and air force jags even more chilling and firing the 4-stars. it's what you do when you're planning to break the law, get rid of any layers you might try to slow you down. your response? >> sec. hegseth: i don't know who rosa is and what her hyperbole is all about. ultimately we want lawyers to give sound constitutional advice and don't exist to attempt to be roadblocks to anything that happens in their spots but we know about these t-jags inside the military, they've been chosen by each other. that's how it works with the chairman, as well. a small group of insulated officers who perpetuate the status quo. guess what? the status quo hasn't worked very well at the pentagon. it's time for fresh blood. so we are going to open up those positions to a broader set and a merit-based process to find the best lawyers possible to lead the army, the air force, in the navy. there's nothing about purging, there's nothing about illegal. we have made clear from the beginning, shannon, the military will be a political with the

fidelity of the constitution prepared to destroy our enemies paid one thing people haven't voted yet, which i will share, those are three-star billets but traditionally have been two stars over time. there's been lots of inflation in the ranks over time. we are going to return those billets to 2-star billets. we will shrink the size of our headquarters units. the inflation of military. we won world war ii at seven four-star generals. 44 today, 163. has it created better outcomes are not? we are challenging a lot of assumptions at the pentagon to streamline what we do so we get as many resources as possible to the war fighting. >> shannon: we know the pentagon has not ever pass one of its audits, and is next on your list. we know you're asking for cuts. i could togg talk the whole houh you. let's come back. thank you. we are going to get reaction to president trump's tough talk on ukraine and is jam-packed domestic agenda from both sides of the aisle. congress and jim himes and jim jordan coming up live, but

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casting new uncertainty over cease-fire negotiations. speedy end to the war in ukraine was of course the key campaign promise of the president, and is working on it. it's time now for our sunday group. former bush national security official michael allen, marie harf, fox news contributor and former state department spokesperson. "the hill" national reporter julie manchester, and cal thomas, syndicated columnist. great to see you this sunday morning. let's start with ukraine. axios had a very interesting deep dives into the background saying that there were a number of things that have really upset the trump administration. vice president vance, secretary rubio, they go on to say this. "in the white house view, zelenskyy grew accustomed to the open-ended support for ukraine's war effort. close with a quote and official involved in negotiations saying "we created a monster with zelenskyy." >> i think you mishandle this. it's not the right way to do with president trump say things in the public sphere. most of these conversations need to be behind closed doors.

but zelenskyy should be excited that president trump is interested in a critical mineral steel. that would give trump a way to justify past u.s. spending and perhaps future spending, because it president trump ultimately wants is for the killing to stop. that won't happen, it won't be a durable peace with that security assurances, and part of that has to be some u.s. weapons going forward. not on the order as it was in the biden administration. more balance with the europeans. but you need the u.s. as part of it, and if trump feels like we can get repaid for that, then that's a good thing. it may seem coldly exploitative, but ultimately will help ukraine. >> shannon: marie, both the president and president zelenskyy sound like they are inching closer to this deal. but to president trump's point, he says europe got guarantees on what they paid into this. we didn't. >> marie: my friend i'll be here, michael allen, outlined a

very rational approach to what's happening in ukraine today. the problem is donald trump isn't just talking about a deal, he saying ukraine started the war, he's defending vladimir putin. i think donald trump and j.d. vance come on this one issue, have done more in the last week to destroy america's credibility in the world and to upend the post-world war ii values that we have promoted. to side with vladimir putin over ukraine. in ukraine is not perfect. michael is right, zelenskyy did not play this perfectly. he doesn't know how to deal with trump, clearly. but donald trump clearly personally doesn't like ukraine because it led to his first impeachment. he has his affinity for putin which i've never been able to fully understand, and the things he said a month ago were unthinkable. not just for democrats, but for marco rubio, or mike waltz, or many of the people, republicans and the administration. he sighed with russia over ukraine in this moment is a sea

change. the europeans are terrified, they think we've abandoned them. this is an american foreign policy we have never seen in our modern history and it is a bending everything around the world, and people don't trust that we'll be there for our friends anymore. >> shannon: i want to bring cal in here. to the point about who attacked him, brian kilmeade press president trump on this repeatedly and he did say russia attacked. but clearly, cal, the telegraphing recently is, i wonder how much of it is for republican consumption, because he is in negotiations with putin right now. cp one of the problems, shannon, we don't know what the end game is here. nobody has talked about victory. putin has said he has no intention of giving up any of the land he has occupied, and evil people don't normally tell the truth, but i think he should be regarded as telling the truth in this instance. what is the end game? is it pushing russia back? they've lost over 100,000 lives, and it doesn't matter in italian

terry state. or is it ceding some kind of territory and giving putin permission to start grabbing more territory? remember, he said the greatest disaster in russian history was the collapse of communism. and he said he wants to reclaim latvia and estonia and these other former soviet republics. we have to take it to see and has to become part of the formation for sandy against him so he is not aggressive against other nations in the region. >> shannon: julia, that's been one of the concerns. if this is not resolved in a way that clearly draws the lines for putin, there is the worry among european allies that he may try this again with other territories. >> julia: and i think of poland. yesterday i was at cpac covering the president and right before he spoke he met with the polish president, who earlier that week, or the day before, actually, went on x very publicly and made an appeal to zelenskyy after speaking privately with zelenskyy paid he said, we need to lower the rhetoric when we talk with president trump. and pull it as a country, its

leader is a conservative populist, very good friend or ally president trump politically, but they have a vested interest in having u.s. and nato troops there. i think the rhetoric coming from the polish president is telling. >> shannon: we've got a lot of domestic stuff to discuss in case you didn't know. it's plenty going on on that front. you don't go far. you are looking live at capitol hill as the president's messaging and ukraine story strong reactions on both sides of the aisle. you will hear from house judiciary chairman republican jim jordan, and a top democrat, jim himes. they are both live next. ♪ ♪

>> i'm trying to get the money back, or secured. because europe has given $100 billion. the united states has given $350 billion. europe gave it in the form of a loan. they get their money back. we gave it in the form of nothing. >> shannon: president trump at the conservative political action conference here in the d.c. area yesterday talking about his efforts to sign a deal guaranteeing mineral rights from ukraine, some security guarantees apparently part of that conversation. let's get bipartisan action. has judiciary chairman

jim jordan coming up, but we begin with punishment jim himes, democrat from connecticut, the ranking member on the house intel committee. congressman, good to have you with us. >> rep. himes: thanks for having me, shannon. >> shannon: let start with what the president was talking about. we discussed this with the panel couple minutes ago. should the u.s. some kind of guarantee or return on the billions of taxpayer dollars that have flowed into that conflict? >> rep. himes: well, shannon, i have two problems with that concept. one, it just looks like an episode of "the sopranos." "give us your minerals over not going to help you fight a buddy butcher." is this what we really want the greatest country in history to be known for, for some mafia thing? we have always stood with the good guys. we sit with churchill against hitler, in world war i we stood with the good guys treat even only got it wrong wi with the oncoming reset against the vietcong. in iraq we are going after saddam hussein. now he sang with a bat done my bad guy and saying zelenskyy is

the problem, where they are trying to stand up for democracy with very few resources against the totalitarian butcher paper worries me, shannon, would he think president xi is thinking? he's thinking, today's the day i go into taiwan. donald trump sensory authoritarian invaders, not with the people being invaded. and i are talking about the real possibility of getting involved with the mafia-like activity. >> shannon: a couple things there. first of all, secretary of defense just told us when asked him point blank, he's made very clearly here. but also on this issue of the loans, you characterized it as feeling very mafia-like. would you characterize that with the deals european leaders made that you give them guarantees? >> rep. himes: shannon, i would hope that when the moment for reconstruction comes in ukraine -- and it will

come -- that it will be remember that the united states to help ukraine to help russia. i for the secretary of defense and we have just been handing them aid. no, we have not. it took us a year because of republicans in congress to get ukraine the aid they needed to fight off the russians. and even in that year, they killed thousands of ukrainians that didn't need to die because the congress was dithering over whether we should help again the good guy here. the facts are just plain wrong. but of course when ukraine is rebuilt i would hope that we would get a significant slice of that business. but, shannon, we have never done this before. we never went to winston churchill and said, unless you give us half of lending to build hotels, we are not going to help you against hitler. imagine the signal messages sent to the people are dying. he's losing thousands of people a week. and he doesn't get invited to the peace conference? i would ask you to think about

what the folks in taiwan i thinking about right now. if i was in taiwan, i would be like, oh, my god, the country that is supposedly my protector is not going to side with china when they come knocking on our door. >> michael: don't ask you and we have made clear that is not a foreign policy, will talk about that more when it comes to china and taiwan. to the issue also in the middle east, since you're on foreign policy, i want to talk about what's going on in israel. more hostages released. empty it in the second and third phase of negotiating what is essentially a very fragile cease-fire there. "newsweek" has this headline. "the two-state solution dyed with ariel and kfir bibas." we are to be go here the middle east? >> rep. himes: as it happens, i just spent a week in israel and had about two hours with the prime minister. i think the two-state solution dyed not with the brutal murder of these hostages, but frankly it has been on life support for a very long time, and the brutal

hamas attack on israel on october 7th 500 plus days ago probably ended that. here's the thing. i don't know what's going happen in the next week or so, two weeks. my guess is that israel will go back in. you just can't see hostages treated the way these hostages have been treated and beat up her minister and say, we are going to figure out how to end this. i think he's going back in after hamas. hamas needs to be taken out of the equation. what does worry me, though, even if the two-state solution is dead, they needs to be some solution. there are millions of palestinians who are enraged. i talked to a lot of them. they are enraged. and israel will never be secure as long as they are living in a very small sliver of land with millions of enraged palestinians. to set aside his right and who's wrong here is just not a recipe for stability. so i do have the prime minister and the israeli leadership can get together with the palestinian leadership -- not hamas, the palestinian authority -- and say, let's start making some progress to

take down the level of rage and violence and figure out what the actual solution is to this problem. >> shannon: we know that arab leaders met a couple days ago to come up with their own plan for what will hopefully be progress in that region moving forward. domestically, before we let you go, i want to talk about the fact that has been a lot of pushback. and i'll talk to chairman jordan about this, about d.o.g.e. and the layoffs and all kinds of things. there's been a lot of consternation with the presidencies of executive power from his perch in the executive branch. but the peace in "the federalists because it says that it isn't with executive power, it's with trump and his voters. they go on to say that president biden continually tried to overturn the parameters of presidential power. he repeatedly sought to shift student debt to the general taxpayer come even after the supreme court ruled against him. he open the border in violation of his constitutional obligation to enforce the law. they go on to say democrats' a real grievance is with last november's voters who overwhelmingly rejected democrats' distorted dystopian view of what america should be paid we talk about it all the time on the show, hood analysis

showed us people wanted major people. so is the issue really with the voters more so than the president? because there have been times democrats were fine with the use of executive power, and rather broadly. >> rep. himes: look, every president get turned back by the supreme court. every president does. you are right to point out that biden was turned back on the student loan thing. and he said no problem. i'll abide by the court. as you know, president trump tweeted -- >> shannon: wait, i don't want to skate past that. he went out and did a number of other programs that actually gave out billions in student loan forgiveness. >> rep. himes: right, that were not deemed illegal. so he did what he wanted to do, but when the court said you can't do it this way, he did it in a way that the court ultimately said was a legal way to do it. you may not like student loan forgiveness, that's fine, that's a policy position. the point is there was never any question about whether he was going to abide by the law. president trump in contrast says, if i'm doing it for the e country, i decide with the law is. and of course he's done a lot

more th van biden did. i'll be the first to tell you that the federal government, the bureaucracy can absolutely use a diet, but the way d.o.g.e. has done it, where he's indiscriminately gone and in particularly focused on firing young people who are often the most energetic, the most determined to make a difference, there's two things that america is forgetting right now although i would tell you, asked jim jordan about what republicans are hearing in their town hall meetings right now. people in those meetings are realizing that the federal bureaucracy actually keeps the plane flying, keeps viruses out of our meet. if there's ever a pandemic, it's going to be the cdc they rely on to keep us safe. when you just go in with the chainsaw that you saw musk waving around, that is a real problem. by the way, shannon, what about inflation? i think the reason people are giving my republican colleagues a hard time is that donald trump said, i'm taking inflation down. inflation has gone up, and at the problem. >> shannon: we are a month

income and i'll talk about all those things with congressman jordan. thank you very much for your time. let's pick up their with congressman jordan. this issue -- there's a lot there. let's start on d.o.g.e. read here's part of what's going on with elon musk. "the washington post" says these mass firings are backfiring, because they say dismissals have been so chaotic and brushed, terminated letters often listed wrong start dates, wrong jobs, or left the agency name blank. as if a form letter hadn't been properly filled out. some workers notified their own bosses that they had been fired. is there some wisdom in slowing down and being more scalpel-like with this? >> rep. jordan: i think american voters like the intensity and the focus they have seen from 30-something days of this it administration, going about doing the things he told the voters they are going to do, the things they were elected to do. i saw just recently, 70% of americans think president trump is doing what he said he was going to do. imagine that. even for office and put your name on the ballot, i'm going to do this, and one of the things

he said he would do was get rid of the waste and fraud and abuse and stupid spending going on in the federal government. instead of democrats attacking the guy he was exposing the stupid spending, how about helping us get rid of the stupid spending? most americans say that makes sense to me, particularly when they see some of the crazy things that their tax dollars were being used for. i always point to "sesame street" in iraq. not the best use of money when you look at the deficits we have been running in the debt we file that. >> shannon: do you worry that the american people are like, yes, i need to know what's going on with my tax dollars, and no, i'm not okay with the stuff? federal workers haven't been the most empathetic characters for a lot of americans they started to hear their stories that entire offices are wiped out, people are crying, completely unnerved and have no idea how the agencies are going to run. >> rep. jordan: i grab this headline. national parks in chaos after "washington post" story. here's the first paragraph. "california national park, the

only locksmith on staff fired. he was the sole employee with keys and institutional knowledge needed to rescue visitors from large restrooms." that's the best you can do? the real question is, how do visitors get locked in restrooms? this is how ridiculous some of this is. maybe i've been some mistakes made, but i think the intensity and the focus on getting rid of the wasteful spending, the one guy who can unlock people to somehow get locked in the restroom at a national park? this is ridiculous. the arguments i think you are seeing from the left are pretty darn crazy when you think about, we are spending money for the crazy things of trans-comic opera and whatever. >> shannon: people are with you when they hear that paper than they started to see things like elon musk putting out a tweet saying everyone is getting an email and you have to respond with i think you got done last week, copy or manager, and if you don't respond we will count that as a resignation. that's probably not legal in the

first place. >> rep. jordan: but it's pretty common -- you can name the five things you did last week. i was in his or her last week. we note the prime minister and some of the opposition, with the speaker of the knesset, we toured the kibbutz where the kids were taken and killed. went to the north. i can name five things i did not to mention other things i did relative to things back here with our response buildings as a member of congress. anyone can name five. but if you are some federal worker, working remote, we should be able to name those things, too. i don't think that's a big deal but people are saying you shouldn't do this kind of things. you can name the five things. >> shannon: i can, but i'm not a federal worker and i don't know who's going to feed through those responses paid maybe the manager who is copied, i don't know, but that's probably just another round of lawsuits because we already have about 80 we are tracking with regards to recent policy. i want to make sure we get to foreign policy with you, as well. as we wait for negotiations to come together on this rare earth minerals deal, you heard your

colleague congressman himes saying it feels like some kind of mafia situation, like we are extorting people to try to get them to come to the table and agree to what we want them to agree to. reuters has this, they say u.s. negotiators pressing access to critical minerals have raised the possibility of cutting the country's access to elon musk's vital star link satellite system. they going to say it provides crucial internet connectivity to war-torn ukraine and its military. is that something that we should be threatening? >> rep. jordan: i don't know if that's the case. what i do know is president trump has been clear he wants to end the war and stop the killing. president trump has a unique way of negotiating and it is a way that typically gets results, and you can look at the situation with canada and mexico and when he threatened and how they suddenly decided, shazam, we will help you in securing the border. you can look at israel in its first term. he campaigned on putting the embassy in jerusalem. when he gets in office, all the people at the state department who think they're smarter than you and i and all the people

across this country, all those people in the state department said you really shouldn't do that. because that's what every other president had done when the campaign. president trump said, i told the american people i was going to do it, we are going to do it, and he did. i would argue that laid the foundation for the abraham accords and all he got accomplished with israel in the middle east. so he doesn't always operate in most conventional way when it comes to negotiating, but the results speak for themselves, and he understands the billions of dollars taxpayers had given to ukraine. by the way, but has the goal been? what was our objective all along? was it to get them out of the eastern region? was it to get that crimea? you know how long russia has had crimea? 11 years next month that they took it under obama. is that the goal? no one could ever define the goal, but many kept flowing and president trump says this has to end, and he's working on doing that and doing in a way that i think is beneficial to ukraine and certainly beneficial to the american taxpayer. >> shannon: a quick question on many filling, but

domestically, because you got to get together on this budget deal. "the new york times" reports on a budget negotiated in the next decade calling for around $880 billion in cuts to medicaid. that is in an effort to counterbalance a portion of the tax cuts. that scares people and they hear that. where to get $880 billion? speech of the focus has been clear, waste, fraud, and abuse. we are going to look to find that. i think we are not looking to make cuts to medicaid. certainly the requirements are just common sense figure figuring able-bodied adult him you're getting a benefit from the government, they should be some requirement that you do work or volunteer work or something. we have that in other parts of our government payment systems or people are getting aid from the taxpayer. i think that makes sense. our plan is pretty basic. cut taxes, cuts in spending, help the national defense, and secure the border. exactly what we told the voters we were going to do. that is within our plan. the budget resolution would

allow us to encompass that. i hope it's going to pass this week. it's due on the math is going to be tough. not only on the budget but on the votes. we'll be watching. thank you for coming in. to take a chainsaw on the proxy, continuing to ruffle feathers as the president urges elon musk to step it up. the panel's back next. ♪ ♪ imagine checking your own heart with medical precision from anywhere. introducing kardiamobile 6l, the fda-cleared ekg that provides six-times more heart data than any smartwatch. and it detects three of the most common arrhythmias in just 30 seconds, including atrial fibrillation, bradycardia and tachycardia. check your heart with the most advanced personal ekg outside the hospital. get yours at kardia.com or amazon. ♪

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dreams begin here. >> i understand maine -- as the governor here? are you not going to comply with it? >> in complying with state and federal laws. >> we are the federal law. you better do it. because you're not going to get any federal funding at all if you don't. by the way, your population, even though it is somewhat liberal, although i did very well there, your population doesn't want men playing in women's sports. so you better comply. otherwise you're not getting any federal funding. >> see you in court. >> good, i look forward to that. that should be really easy one. >> shannon: i've never had a lunch that awkward. president trump and maine governor janet mills getting into a war of words over the president's executive order preventing transgender athletes are competing in many women's sports programs, and their

position differs. we are back with the panel. julia, there's now an investigation, we are told, and by the primitive education saying to maine, he get federal funds you have to comply with the way we see this law and that is no biologically born males competing women's sports, which they continue to allow. >> julia: i think we expect to see a big legal fight brewing, not only between maine and the administration but maybe other states that are trying to push back on this mandate. it's interesting to see how governor mills is handling president trump in this way. looking across to other democratic governors including california governor gavin newsom, and understand it's a completely different situation when he met with president trump. he was essentially lobbying for wildfire aid in that regard. but it seems like she is taking much more of an aggressive stance on a numb number these or democratic governors, pushing for these legal sites pay something to watch there. >> shannon:

"the wall street journal" writes that the trump administration is testing a lot of boundaries, they're doing things they know go straight to court. she says vigorous debate over the powers and structure of government not to be a feature of every administration. what should worry us isn't that mr. trump is doing this now but that are drowsy political system considers it an anomaly. washington does not love it, marie. >> marie: increasing the americans across the country don't love it, either. we've seen videos from the town halls this week, people in deeply red districts screaming at the members of congress. you and we are told, just be clear, some of the senate republicans sent him to be ups upset. >> marie: we all lived through president obama's first midterm in these town halls. elon musk has fired tens of thousands of government workers, while every day, personally, his business is getting $8 million of government funding. they are firing people working on bird flu, faa safety officers come after all these plane crashes. thousands of federal affairs employees, including disabled

military that. i get that people don't like waste, fraud, and abuse, but this is not about making government more efficient. they put out this ridiculous spreadsheet that had a ton of errors in it. making public servants across the country, not just in washington, seemed dishonorable, turning that into a dishonorable profession, is cruel. when we see federal workers waking up at 2:00 a.m. not knowing that people that make $50,000 a year in nebraska not knowing if they'll be able to feed their children because they could get an email from elon musk, this is not about efficiency, it's a vendetta. this is slash and burn, and i think you will have an electoral consequence across the country. first in virginia this fall when there's a governors race. and how many bc by getting fired that live in virginia? steel not dumb at a heck of a lot >> shannon: a whole heck of a lot. >> cal: i favor more compassion in this. people are dedicated themselves at a federal job for many years,

they have mortgages to pay, car payments, groceries. they are human beings, after all. it's a little more compassion would go well. but this is something that is needed to be done for a long time, and a surgery sometimes hurts. cutting government will, as well. well. two quick quotes. thomas jefferson: "the course of history shows, as government grows, liberty decreases." and calvin coolidge 100 years ago, our 30th president: "unless the people for unified action arise and take charge of their government, they will find that the government has taken charge of them." a couple of great quotes that i think along with what's going on in washington right now. >> michael: this might actually why the democrats are in the wilderness right now. governors trying to defend some things that the american people have clearly rejected. others are trying to defend the federal government leviathan which crowds out economic growth because it is so big and large. i would be worried also about unintended consequences, but by and large i think the american people support this pay the only

cautionary note i would say is the president's pollster tony fabrizio put out a memo on valentine's day saying personal economic issues, especially the cost of living, including groceries, as with the voters care about. >> shannon: yeah, and those are still painfully high for americans, but it's been one month. we will see how policy plays out from here. thank you, panel, very much. we will you next sunday. word today that pope francis is still struggling battling that severe respiratory infection. jeff paul is live outside his hospital in rome where the pope is being treated. we will take you there for a live update next. ♪ ♪

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recovery, especially after hearing the vatican described his health as in critical condition. but even with that being said, we know the pope is awake, receiving oxygen, he's beating on his own and doing well enough to post on social media, writing this on x a short time ago, basically thanking people for their closeness in their prayers coming in from all over the world. the 88-year-old has been receiving high flows of oxygen to help him breathe after suffering from a prolonged asthmatic respiratory crisis. pope francis has also received blood transfusions. the pope was admitted for. 14th and has been getting treatment for double pneumonia and a complex lung infection. it's worth pointing out, throughout his stay at the hospital come east and fully conscious, he's been eating, working, and reading, and those have been gathering both at the hospital and at st. peter's square say they feel it's very important to make that trip. >> i came here for the pope.

it is a symbolic time, and i think that all the prayers and the support that he can get, we must support the pope at this moment. >> we are expecting another update on pope francis a few hours from now here in room where we will get some sort of update from the vatican. but it is a good sign th he is eating

in hillsborough this morning, are searching for a gunman who opened fire on a police officer at the police station. i'm betty yu. i'll have that live report straight ahead. >> thank you. betty. and prayers are pouring in from all around the world for pope francis as concerns grow over his health. his condition has now been described