a new ppc poll out this week shows the governor's approval in california is at 52%, 47% disapproval. that's up eight points since their last poll in october. as for donald trump, he's at 30% approval among california voters. he's got 38% of the vote back in the election in november. a reminder this is still an overwhelmingly democratic state. that's all for this week. thanks so much for watching. another reminder to download our podcast for extended interviews. the search for the issue is wherever you stream. >> tensions boil over between presidents trump and zelenskyy but the path towards peace now unclear. [simultaneous talking]

>> you are gambling with world war iii. you are gambling with world war iii. >> what security guarantees can we have? we are not pushing or pressuring, just asking and sharing. >> the oval office clash reverberating across europe but well received in russia. we will talk exclusively with the director of national intelligence. and her first sunday show sit down. talking with chris about this stunning sequence of events and mexico sues u.s. gun makers all the way to the u.s. supreme court. >> the mexican government should be bringing mexican criminals to mexican justice in mexican courtrooms. >> all right now on fox news sunday. >> hello, from fox news in washington beginning with a look at your top headlines. israel has stopped all aid supplies from entering the

gaza strip. citing thomas' refusal for continued piece talks and the failure to release the remainin. high winds and dry conditions feeling wildfires in the carolinas leading to evacuations in several communities. firefighters did get help overnight as the winds died down. volodymry zelenskyy is meeting with european leaders in the u.k. today. britain, france, ukraine have agreed to work on a cease-fire plan that they will then present to the united states. in a moment, talking with the director of national intelligence. but first we are talking to lucas tomlinson covering the president in florida at maralago this morning. good morning. >> reporter: shannon, after that contentious meeting in the oval office ukrainian president volodymry zelenskyy received a warmer reception in london then he did in washington.

>> you have full backing across the united kingdom. >> reporter: zalewski received a warm welcome in london before arriving at 10 downing street. zelenskyy showed his appreciation for the you as for posting on x. we are grateful to the u.s., thing for two president trump and congress for the bipartisan support and the american people. gratitude the trump administration was lacking in washington. zelenskyy arrive at the white house to sign a rights deal but 40 minutes into an oval office meeting with president trump it went off the rails. vice president j.d. vance jumped in. >> mr. president, with respect. is disrespectful for you to come into the oval office and litigate this in front of the american media. >> reporter: a fiery exchange in the oval office unlike any in history caught on camera. zelenskyy left the white house a short time later after trump asked him to leave. the planned press conference and lunch cancelled and the mineral right steel unsigned. before leaving for palm beach he was asked one zelenskyy will

return to the white house. >> president donald trump: he says he wants to come back right now but i can't do that. >> reporter: hours later he appeared on special report with bret bear. many in the trump administration wanted an apology. zelenskyy did not offer one. >> i am not hearing from you mr. president, a thought that you owe the president an apology. >> i respect the president and american people and -- i don't know. i think that we have to be very open and very honest and i'm not sure we did something bad. >> reporter: the follow split along party lines even among ukraine's biggest supporters. >> complete, utter disaster. he either needs to resign or change. >> a planned ambush designed to embarrass president zelenskyy in order to benefit vladimir putin.

>> reporter: president trump will be working on his speech to congress tuesday night. shannon. >> shannon: full coverage. thank you. running is now the director of national intelligence. welcome to fox news sunday. >> good morning. >> reporter: what is the assessment of vladimir putin and his future admissions? >> i want to focus first on president trump school and the reality on the ground and that is the thing that seems to be getting lost in what we are seeing in president zelenskyy's statements in the white house and the european leaders the response to this. president trump is looking to end this war and has proven he is the only person i can do this. president zelenskyy has different names in mind. he has said that he wants to end this war but he will only accept an end apparently that leads to what he views as ukraine's victory even if it comes at an

incredibly high cost of potentially world war iii or even a nuclear war. president trump has committed to peace and to freedom. we are seeing this big divergence here between his position and his commitment to these values and the interests of the american people and the interests of president zelenskyy and these european leaders. this is an issue that has to be resolved. i know president trump has committed to doing this and that is really where the next step needs to lead. >> shannon: what is that next step? one of the criticisms of the biden administration is they had talked to putin for years. president trump is doing that and having a conversation but now it seems the relationship with the zelenskyy is woken at least temporarily. how does that get back on track? he has to be part of the conversation as well. >> of course. president trump has made very clear that in his previous conversations with both putin and zelenskyy that he wants to engage with both.

he wants to engage in honest and real negotiations and unfortunately what happened in the white house after close to one hour of conversation. one president zelenskyy directly challenged president trump and vice president vance in front of the media and the american people he really showed his lack of interest in any real good faith negotiations. i can tell you there were a lot of conversations that were happening through different emissaries both for zelenskyy and president trump leading up to his visit there to the oval office. and president zelenskyy's immediate escalation there was frankly quite a surprise. this has created a huge riff in the relationship. president zelenskyy as he pointed out in the clips that you played does not believe that he did anything wrong that there was no issue with what he brought up in the oval office with president trump. there is going to have to be a rebuilding of any kind of

interest in good faith negotiations i think before president trump is going to be willing to reengage on this. >> shannon: one of the things that may have gone lost in the shuffle and now talking over each other. we've all seen the clips from the oval office, zelenskyy was saying we did have cease-fires. i've signed onto other agreements and yet food and cross those lines and says he blew up the cease-fire and killed my people. does he not have a valid point that there should be -- understanding his frustrations and scepticism that putin is actually going to be a reliable partner in whatever deal comes together? >> there are 2 viable paths. one is that this work continues on as it has for over three years. more and more ukrainians will lose their lives, more and more of the country of ukraine will be decimated and destroyed in what will continue to be essentially a war of attrition and to what end? what outcome? president trump sees this reality. the alternative to this which he

is so intent on and talked about continuously throughout his campaign, the american people voted for, his commitment to ending this war and bringing about peace. that requires bringing interesting parties to the table to conduct these negotiations. both sides will have their arguments and interests that they are fighting for and this is the reality of how these negotiations always occur. neither side will be happy. very likely with the outcome but also it needs to lead to peace. that is what president trump is so committed to because he recognizes that the longer this goes on. not only are more ukrainians losing their lives that it increases the potential of this escalation towards world war iii that he warned against as he sat there with zelenskyy saying he is gambling with world war iii and that is not a cost that president trump is willing to accept. >> shannon: i want to put up a recent poll from days ago before the incident in the overall

office if that's what we want to call it. do you think the u.s. should trust russian president vladimir putin? 81% said no. it's hard to get 81% of americans to agree on anything but they are united on that so why does this administration trust putin? >> i think president trump goes in with the cynical i as he does i imagine with any deal he's made it's not about blind trust at all. it's about looking at the factors that are on the table, negotiating with all interested parties and then for president trump ultimately looking out for what's in the best interest, our ability to live in a peaceful and prosperous way in our country and uphold the values of freedom that we hold deer. i think again president trump has a very realistic view of the picture and what's at stake which is why he is so committed to working to bring about an end to this war and frankly why he has proven as this war has been

waged over the last three years he's the only one who has the ability to do that. >> shannon: our next guest, senator chris van hollen says he is very worried about what he saw on friday. what it communicates. the people who are celebrating our russia and putin, president xi and china. we do have over the weekend a number of reactions with russian foreign minister saying president trump is the one using common sense and that we like the way he's acting. you have the kremlin spokesperson dmitry saying what the u.s. is doing is changing the game and it largely coincides with our vision. what do you make of russia celebrating and saying with the u.s. is doing lines up with their vision? >> they are going to say what their position is but we should pay attention to here in the united states of america the american people. so many people across the country celebrating the strong

leadership that president trump and vice president vance demonstrated in the oval office. something we have not seen over the last four years of the bind administration. we finally have a president who is going to stand up strongly and fiercely and unwaveringly for the cause of peace and freedom for the american people. i know that that is who president trump has on his heart and on his mind as he is working towards bringing about a negotiating and to this war. those who are criticizing his efforts in this way are showing that they are not committed to peace and in the case of many of those european countries, that they are not committed to the cause and values of freedom even though they speak of this heard very clearly during vice president vance munich different examples of how these european partners and longtime allies in many cases are implementing policies that undermine democracy showing they don't actually believe in the voices of the people being heard and implementing antifreedom policies. we are seeing this in the

united kingdom and in germany and we saw with the tossing out of the election in romania so there is something fundamentally deeper here that shows a huge difference in divergence between the values that president trump and vice president vance are fighting for. the values that are enshrined in our constitution, the interest of the american people in our peace and freedom and national security versus those of many of the european countries who are coming to zelenskyy's side as he walked out of the white house saying basically that they are going to support him in continuing this work and that they don't stand with us around these fundamental values of freedom. >> they also think that they are in more alignment with the u.s. when it comes to freedoms and things you talk about certainly those are not things that you would say that russia or putin celebrates or bestows on its own people. >> that's correct. i would not make that claim and it's clear that that is not the case. nord's president trump but that is not really what we are talking about here.

we are talking about many of these european countries and the zelenskyy himself who claim to be standing and fighting for the cause of freedom and democracy when we actually look at what's happening in reality in these countries. especially with the government in ukraine. the exact opposite. the cancelling of elections in ukraine, political parties being silenced or even criminalized or thrown in prison. you have the freedom of religion, churches being shut down. you have political opposition being silenced, total government control of the media. we could go down a whole laundry list of issues that are against the values of democracy and freedom so really begs the question as vice president vance said again in munich it's clear that they are standing against putin. obviously that is clear but what are they actually really fighting for? are they aligned with the values that they claim to hold an agreement with us.

what president trump and vice president vance are standing for and those are the values of freedom and peace and true security. >> the way that you describe ukraine and the way that most americans and the rest of the world understands russia, it's essentially choosing between a lesser of two evils? >> what i'm focused on is what president trump is focused on which is peace. seeing the world through a very clear picture and making sure that the president is having honest and good faith negotiations with both of these countries to bring about an end to this war. that is what it's about. lives are at stake, the potential of world war iii if this war continues to go on and escalate is what's at stake and again president trump will make his decisions and we will stay focused on what's in the best interest of the american people and ensuring peace and freedom. >> shannon: we will stay tuned to see where the reset is. thank you for stopping in. >> thank you.

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>> zelenskyy has a chip on his shoulder, every european leader applauds him for standing up for trump and all i can say is a missed opportunity doesn't even begin to explain it. >> shannon: that was senator lindsey graham clearly frustrated in the wake of that chaotic oval office meeting between president trump and zelenskyy leaving the future of u.s. and ukraine relations more uncertain than ever. joining us now is senator chris van hollen sitting on the foreign nations committee. >> good to be with you. >> shannon: this didn't happen suddenly, there have been growing tensions, a number of

trump administration officials who sat down and met with salons can the inner circle end of said we have been in very heated meetings with attempts to come to some kind of an agreement on a number of things but they feel they come out of those meetings and have been misrepresented or misconstrued what was actually discussed. i want to play something from secretary rubio that he said about all this. >> when you see efforts to impeded and when you tell someone don't say let's not talk about these things, not go in this direction because it makes it harder for us to engage and they insist on doing it anyway, you start to wonder, i don't like to impede on people's motives but you start to wonder what's behind it. >> shannon: do you have confidence in him in the way he's tried to manage this? >> i did vote for senator rubio, i regret that i will because as a member of the senate secretary rubio was somebody who stood up for american values and american principles. he acknowledged that russia was the aggressor against ukraine.

he realized that it wasn't zelenskyy who was the dictator and now he simply taking his directions to the state department, elon musk and essentially parroting the president's position which i understand but it's very different than what senator rubio used to talk about. >> shannon: another secretary describing the meeting he had with president zelenskyy in kyiv. wanting to get this deal done on the rare earth minerals and show a bond and come out united against russia. a very tough 45 minute meeting, very loud decibel level and wanted no delay between the two. he refused to sign that, he came here on friday which we thought would be a celebration of signing the steel and it was one of the biggest own goals in history. that's how he saw going down. >> i saw it as a despicable display of bullying by the president of the united states against someone whose country is

at war with putin. a brutal assault by putin who's lost thousands and thousands of ukrainians, who want peace more than anybody but he also wants to make sure that he's got to sustainable peace. you mentioned the mineral deal. the deal that was on the table at the white house to be clear was very different than what secretary first put on the table both in ukraine and in munich. >> shannon: in part because zelenskyy and his team wanted changes to this deal? >> right. but to be clear in munich the presidents people essentially tried to extort zelenskyy and the ukrainian people to give up half of their mineral supplies in order for past u.s. support and to continue ongoing u.s. support. it was extortion pure and simple, it would be in the middle of world war ii ftr singh to churchill we won't help you against the nazis and hitler.

zelenskyy was wrong to be rejecting extortion earlier on, that is a warped version of what actually happened. >> shannon: should the u.s. get some returns on investment in the way that europe has structuring these as loans? >> europe has provided a lot of grants, concessionary loans, i'm fine if the united states wants to include some of its support in the form of concessionary loans. i'm sure zelenskyy would support that. it was the lenski's idea originally to include some kind of deal on minerals to provide for reconstruction what happened is that idea god transformed originally into an idea where it was really extortion. you give us half of the stuff or what we've already done and then to see what happened at the white house, i will say, was embarrassing because zelenskyy has talked about the sacrifice

of his people. he's also been grateful to the united states. when i met with him and others before this meeting at the white house, you always express gratitude. but donald trump does not recognize sacrifice for this greater principle. after all it was donald trump who said about americans, combat troops who died for our country that they were suckers and losers. >> shannon: to that point, there are 17 people on the record who are in those meetings and on that trip who said those words were never said. that is 17 people who said that didn't happen. it's a popular line to use but you can understand maybe that this administration has got real levels of frustration with this and the way things have gone down. not just them but you were part of this meeting and said bipartisan senators meeting with mr. zelenskyy before the white house, lindsay graham was also one of them. super frustrated after this meeting that the way he had talked with mr. zelenskyy about how to approach him had not may be gone in 18 year and out the

other. here's a bit of that reaction. >> i busted my [bleep] to help ukraine and make sure we help them win a war to get this war over in a way that we don't have further aggression and donald trump's said he'll do it. i told him this morning, don't take the bait. don't let the media or anybody else get you into a argument with president trump. resetting the relat relationshi. you should be grateful. >> shannon: lindsay graham has been incredibly supportive of zelenskyy, you may be in trouble. >> first, it was general kelly and marine corps general who made that statement about what trump had said about u.s. service people. i chose to believe general kelly. senator graham has been a big supporter of the ukrainian people. this was clearly an example where he decided to preserve his

relationship. with president trump. >> shannon: you were part of that meeting that morning and it sounded like they were trying to prep them for success. >> i was part of that meeting. we saw president zelenskyy again express gratitude to the american people and they were sitting through this meeting, president zelenskyy, for a long time and faced a barrage of misrepresentations, missed statements. actually thought he handled himself very well under the circumstances. i don't think we should expect for leaders to come into the oval office and played dear leader like the president's cabinet officials and others may be doing. that isn't what we should expect of them. they had to listen to a litany of lies and misinformation and i thought he did it with incredible calm and then of course you saw the president, the vice president turn on him and bully him and that spectacle, as he played earlier

today is being warmly received and embraced by our adversaries by putin and the russians and you can be sure the president is keeping an eye on what's happening with ukraine as he keeps another eye on taiwan. this was a total disaster for those of us who believe in american foreign policy where we respect our allies and friends and stand up for democracy and freedom around the world. >> definitely a change in tone from the last administration and we will see how it plays out. as we hope that these conversations come back to the table. senator, always good to see you. thank you for coming in. we appreciate your time. >> shannon: outrage after the department of justice releases documents from the jeffrey epstein case but maybe not for the reasons you might imagine. our sunday panel on that and the possibility of a government shut down days away from the federal government running out of money. next. and its mother are almost inseparable. she lifts her calf to its first breath of air,

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>> president donald trump: we are looking for peace. we are looking for someone that will sign up a strong power and then not make peace because they feel emboldened and that's what i saw happening. >> it will be difficult for us. that's why i'm here. that's why i was talking about future negotiations. it will be difficult without your support. >> shannon: the future of u.s.

support for ukraine in question after an extraordinary oval office discussion between president trump and his ukrainian counterpart vladimir do zelenskyy. discussing with our sunday group. bureau chief and richard fowler, former rnc communications director. i think we are all in agreement we've never seen anything like we saw friday in the oval office. but now we're onto the aftermath of it. we know that zelenskyy is meeting with a number of european leaders today. "washington post" says this. european diplomats have acknowledged that while europe could try to match u.s. funding if needed they would have a harder time substituting the full range of weapons that have been provided to kyiv especially key capabilities in which they are lagging such as defences and can this move forward in a resolution to this conflict. >> it will be the same. europe was not able to make up the whole role and they are

making a decision about how far along they go with the usp's to the united states. it also doesn't just leave ukraine in the cold. we have been at many of those meetings between a president and a leader of a foreign leader but nothing like this has ever happened before. the world changed this week coupled with the u.n. vote that the united states cast with russia against her european allies. the alignment of the united states changed this week and the u.s. role in the world has changed and we will look back at this week as epic. >> shannon: that was the third world leader in the oval office this week. it's been a week but how much of what this administration is saying about putin and russia and zelenskyy is posturing for the sake of negotiating and keeping food and at the and moving him towards a resolution. >> in diplomacy there's always the public and private part and what was remarkable about it this week is that the private part was public so you as, will

never seen anything like that happen but not to say nothing like that has ever happened behind closed doors. and when you look to the core of your questions, where is the trump administration on finding a final piece deal, we know where they want to end up which is to have some sort of end of fighting and not security guarantees and access and minerals but the details of how they get there are very messy and can say a lot about donald trump but he always isn't very clear on how he wants to get from path a to path b and how he wants to do it. he is being almost intentionally ambiguous because that's how he negotiates and i'm not in a position to adjudicate on how good of a negotiator he is but a lot of his staff and a lot of his allies say he's the best in the business. >> he loves to get a deal done. but with that in mind, putin wins the oval office spectacle and says mr. trump does not want to be the president who abandons

ukraine to vladimir putin with all the bloodshed and damage to u.s. interest that would result. mr. vance won't like to run for president in such a world either. they were asking about why the vice president jumped in the way he did but clearly he thought there was some measure of disrespect. >> sure. this is a situation where everyone didn't adjudicate themselves in the best way possible. zelenskyy should have known he was walking into this. i don't think he was ambushed as some were saying but ultimately the conversations that the european leaders have been having over the past few weeks have been focused on what this question is. i saw you this week of the british embassy. the week before i was in london, every conversation i had was someone from labor, what is the posture of the united states moving forward. and i go back to one donald trump pointed out we have a bust of winston churchill back in the oval office. winston churchill said we will fight on the beaches, the fields and never surrender. that is the kind of language we can usually expect from

donald trump and i think ultimately zelenskyy has one card here he can still play and it's the visual of donald trump if he goes to ukraine. we saw how that played well for boris johnson, the times that he went. donald trump understands visuals really well. some type of reagan asked moment in kyiv would be a real strong signal from trump. >> shannon: it would take a lot to get there because i'm not sure they are even communicating this point but to president trump's point he is having conversations with putin and that wasn't happening during the vine administration and how do you resolve it if you're not at the table with the key players? >> we do need to be talking to everyone at the table but with that being said the idea of donald trump going to kyiv is highly unlikely. i don't want to play down susan's point because the idea of this meeting being historic and unprecedented and all that follows is important. what we heard from the european union and foreign minister talking about that we need a new world order.

that moment was very -- it was very telling. europe is saying if the u.s. is not going to lead in this moment again someone who is our adversary, russian and putin under russia's control then there are other proms at stake. how do we do joint military engagements and joint intelligence deals in a world in which the united states is walking away from alliances they've had since the beginning of our founding i.e. france and the europeans. it's a telling moment for the united states and a shift in the world order and lots of countries, many of our long-time allies saying how do we navigate and i think also with that being said, many of our foes including china saying how do we navigate where the united states is walking back in an attempt to say america first? is this an america last because the world is shifting. >> shannon: he has upended the world order blocks would say that's his strength. these leaders do not know what to expect from president trump and that is part of his negotiation style. is certainly worked when talking about the taliban and those concerned about what he might

actually do. i want to make sure that we touch on this. if you things. there are other things going on domestically that we are going to run out of money apparently in a few weeks. there is his massive budget deal and a collision course, where do we go on this because the 2 frameworks we have are both republican the lead but they have serious differences and president trouble have to get involved. trying to negotiate. >> we see the level in which he had to get involved to get this first incremental have steel across the line which is a lot of phone calls and a lot of leverage. if there is going to be any sort of tax and spending package, the president is going to get much more involved. he wants it, it central to his agenda. he wants to deliver tax cuts. there's a sense inside the white house that they need to have an economic boost and have americans starting to feel better about it so that is the strategy. again how they get there will be difficult. the change in the last 48, 72 hours is that there is less talk

about a budget reconciliation deal and more talk about a potential government shutdown which i will leave for the rest of the table to solve. >> shannon: dog? do you have a resolution? >> i have lived through government shutdowns and they are not fun. by the way congress is working throughout them, they aren't on vacation or anything but this comes down to ultimately donald trump leadership. we have very small majority in the house, so small that they can have a confirmation vote because they need her vote in the house. a small one in the senate as well. donald trump is the one who will have to get these house republicans and senate republicans in line to move forward because ultimately regardless of party we always know the house and the senate don't agree on things in any normal circumstance. this is not a normal circumstance and it leads to a lot of questions of what would the doge effort be if we are operating in a shutdown? >> shannon: another thing that made headlines not for the reasons we thought it would but the epstein revelations this week which were not revelations, foxnews.com has his headline.

conservatives explode at botched rollout, complete disappointment. >> it is other disappointment. i'm not sure what they were expecting. i don't think we will see these epstein files come out but i do think it's important to talk about this government shutdown because it's a real thing and taking it outside for just a second. i think about maria alvarez who lives in virginia working there for ten years helping the americans navigate complicated federal housing systems and worried about her job right now like many federal employees are. when you think about a government shutdown which could make many not have money but 2, worried about mass firings that could come this week because of elon musk in donald trump who are basically pushing the line on federal executive power while congress sits and applauds this. this is a real, real concern for the american people and i think there is a lot of blame going on but at this moment i blame the american congress. when will you say this is our job to allocate money, this is our job right federal statutes.

we will hold that job whether we are democrats or republicans because the constitution has given this to us. >> shannon: we will hear more of these personal anecdotes and stories and for those on the other end of these decisions. do republicans risk pushing this? >> the problem for president trump is this is beyond the power of the executive order. the issue with a shutdown may be not whether it happens. i think that is more likely than not now but who gets blamed when it happens? if republicans control the white house, the house of the senate how do they avoid holding responsibility for the government? >> shannon: and they get blamed even when they aren't running the house in the summit. they have been really good at messaging on the shutdown so we will see but hopefully the next time we see each other we won't be in the midst of a shutdown. thank you. we will see you next week. courtroom drama, the administration facing nearly 100 lawsuits as they aim to impose sweeping changes to the federal

government and as we right now await action from the supreme court. are legal panel will join us to break down this incredible case, next.

>> shannon: since the president began his second term with a flurry of executive action and sweeping cuts to the federal budget and workforce the legal challenges against him have been piling up. check it out. a couple of these have artie reach to the supreme court and we are waiting on action but it hasn't all been defence. they've been on offence too as they weren't taking action against states and localities that did not or will not comply with the president's directives. are legal panel here to break down the merits of some of the most critical cases. the deputy attorney general and manhattan's institute senior fellow, great to have both of you with us. let's start there. the doj on offence going after states and localities that are not complying with some of these executive orders weather century cities, whether it something like the president's statement executive order on women's sports. ilia, there is outgoing and not just incoming and the legal fight. >> they are lawyered up and

aggressive and they transition well and if you take federal funds there are strings attached including civil rights protections including enforcing federal law so if you don't like it then don't take the money. >> shannon: we saw this player with the president and the governor of maine and she said we will see you in court. >> absolutely. the trump administration is much more comfortable playing offence and trying to enforce their policy agenda through litigations and having to defend all their actions and the federal court and what we saw with the governor is the first and what will be a long series of blue state governors pushing back against the trump administration's agenda saying we will see you in court and the trump team is ready for a legal battle. >> shannon: they have been gearing up. next, these arguments about doge and elon musk and whether they have the authority to do what they are doing. "wall street journal" had an opinion piece and said congress could solve this putting a line into the reconciliation package of the budget conferring this authority over onto the administration. the piece says the plaintiffs claimed that he is violating

statutes or exercising authority that congress hasn't granted him. such claims would be made mood if congress gave the president express power to take these actions. would it work? >> i think it would've congress took those actions but it is a very, very long shot to put it charitably that congress will legislate a lot of these areas. the administration has made clear they will move as fast and as hard as they can on his many friends as they can. elon musk and the courts may push back. they may slow down the administration but i think at the end of the day it will be largely speed bumps and the courts are not going to prevent the trump administration from trying to dramatically reduce the size of the federal workforce. >> shannon: a mix of wins and losses. >> grey areas. most of what doge is doing has authority in the sense that there is an obama era, u.s. digital service that trump renamed the u.s. doge service. all the musketeers are special government employees pursuant to statute and floating out there on some whim and they are

looking at waste, fraud, and abuse. they can shut down the entire department of education, that would take legislation but they can certainly cancel certain contracts, reevaluate certain things and there shouldn't even be standings to challenge because the president has until the fiscal year. >> shannon: next, it works in with this, the firing of federal employees in doing this in a email or whatever it is. the office of personnel management here in d.c. has sent out some of these emails and they have fired thousands of probationary employees. a judge has ruled on this. judge william said this on friday. no statute anywhere ever has granted office of personnel management the determination of other employees. the statutory scheme grants each had the ability to manage own affairs included hiring and firing of employees. does that suggest if these agencies did this on a more individual basis at least within their silo, could it work?

>> i think so. we have across the teaser daughter the eyes. there could be bigger challenges again proactive trump administration litigation against some of the civil rules tying the president's hands and union contracts in the public sector might violate executive control over these branches. >> shannon: i want to get to number 2 because tom, this is something you flag. you didn't get a lot of attention this week but the idea that the justice department is now under the attorney general saying a number of local fire and police departments that are being sued because they were using standardized tests that there was an argument they were having to discriminate tory results that they were facing legal trouble over that and under the vine administration kristin clark at the time that discriminatory barriers denying black and female individuals. the ag says these are standard tests and we won't see you when

they don't go to a quota or plan. >> this is one of the clearest possible signals that there is a new sheriff in town at the justice department. the civil rights division is walking back a lot of these lawsuits that were filed hunter biden and to your point what they are saying is the fact that these police departments and fire departments are using standardized tests that may result in different outcomes and not achieve the diversity results that they were hoping for. that doesn't amount to intentional discrimination. they are walking these lawsuits back and closing the door of the litigation and saying let the police and fire departments make their decisions and they will. we will focus on different priorities such as enforcement and religious civil rights and other civil liberties that may not have been as in force to as strictly. >> shannon: they will want there to-do list. >> police departments and fire department, did in a supreme court already rule on this. >> shannon: i remember very well. >> universities as well. if they are engaged in massive resistance or shuffling around the same rather than shutting

down those civil rights violating programs there will be hell to pay. >> shannon: getting to the supreme court. our number 1 case we are watching because this could literally come at any time. a lower court judge has ordered the trump administration to pay out a lot of money and federal foreign aid. they don't want to do it. the end administration says give us time we are reviewing a lot of these decisions. the chief justice got appealed all the way up to the supreme court and put a pause wednesday night because of a mid light deadline. we are waiting for that. when the trump administration filed with the supreme court to get that lower court orders thrown out they said what the government cannot do is pay arbitrarily determined demands on an arbitrary timeline if the district were to choose or according to extra contractual roles at the court has devised so they can't force us to pay the money. >> they are saying this lower court judge overstepped his bounds. the supreme court has a very good chance they will come to the rescue of the administration on this for two reasons. one is that they may say that

the district judge infringed on the president's power to conduct foreign affairs. the other thing they may do and we saw this is that they may say this is an arbitrary timeline. the district judge said pay within 72 hours, i direct the money to go out, the u.s. came to the court and said we can't do it that fast. it's a physical impossibility. my sense is the supreme court may be receptive to that and may say even if you have to pay some of these we will let you do it on the schedule that you the administration request and not with the district court has ordered. >> reporter: the groups suing saying they are forcing several to suspend work halting disbursements for work already done, work already reviewed. the government is plunging respondents into financial turmoil saying the money has to go out. >> the question isn't whether businesses or anyone else, foreign organizations or ngos are affected but whether the president has authority and discretion to review these contracts. it's pretty clear that he does. most of what doge is doing and it's not saying congress you spent this and we won't do it.

they are saying this particular thing we don't like and ultimately the supreme court, for john roberts to jump in alone is a big deal. >> shannon: it is. i will let you know when he makes a decision. thank you for lending us your expertise. good to see you both. this week a novel case glance at the supreme court. mexico is suing several u.s.-based gun any fractures saying they are to blame for growing violent south of the border. the companies say they produce a lawful product and are not responsible for mexico's crime crisis. >> reporter: smith and weston, brenda, colds, walks, among the defendants in a 10 billion-dollar lawsuit filed by mexico. alleging these u.s. companies knowingly allowed guns to end up in the hands of dangerous cartel members in mexico. who then use them to terrorize and kill. larry keen, senior vice president to general counsel for the national shootings sports foundation.

>> there were notifications that there were entities allowing these distributors and manufacturers know that this is where your weapons are ending up. that they had some form of notice. >> generalized foreseeability does not give rise, not proximate cause. there is no legal duty. baseball bat manufacturers know some of their products will be misused in assault. knife manufacturers know that some of their products will be misused to staff people. that doesn't give rise to liability. >> reporter: but what happens if the u.s. supreme court after hearing arguments of next week allows mexico to pursue a legal remedy in the u.s. court system? advocates like keane are worried to. >> it would mean the destruction of the second amendment in the united states. it would bankrupt the industry. >> reporter: congress passed the protection of lawful commerce in arms act in 2005. to prevent gun companies from being held liable for misuse of their products.

but mexico argues the law provides no protection for businesses engaged in unlawful commerce and arms. and alleges that is what the manufacturers have been doing. by selling to dealers mexico claim to the manufacturers knew were preferred by the cartels. a group of blue state attorneys are backing mexico saying the law is meant only to shield blameless manufacturers and sellers but that it doesn't equate to blanket absolute immunity against any and all liability. in another coalition led by republican montana attorney general austen knutson argues it isn't the manufacturer's fault that gun crime is raging out of control in mexico pointing the finger elsewhere. >> this is happening primarily because we provide a lot of firms to the mexican government and army and a lot of those guns go missing and end up in the cartels hands. this is a mexico problem and not an american problem. >> reporter: they think that

scheduled is going to have a decision by the end of june. pope francis struggles to overcome a life-threatening health crisis, next. ♪ ♪

>> shannon: pope francis is resting today as he undergoes treatment for double pneumonia. fox news chief religion correspondent lorne greene is in rome with more. it sounds like he is tweeting as well. >> he is a little bit. a lot of that is a reflection of his angeles that he released earlier today but still slowly improving. friday's respiratory crisis appears to be a rather isolated event from which he recovered rather quickly. the vatican, alaves on the vatican is he had a good night and woke up. he had breakfast and continue to read newspapers as always. doctors at the hospital continue to treat the 88-year-old for double pneumonia alternating between two types of oxygen therapy. air through a nose tube and a more intense mechanical mask. vatican sources say the pope is in good spirits and eating solid food and able to walk with some assistance.

today marks the third sunday that the pope has not delivered his angeles prayer in person releasing it in writing earlier today. in it he thanked doctors and staff, they are attentive care and for the faithful for their prayers saying in part i feel in my heart the blessing that is hidden within frailty because it is precisely in these moments that we learn even more to trust the lord. last night that continuing rosary vigil this time inside st. peter's basilica because of the rain, the public continues to direct vatican business from hospitals and has not stopped the rumour mill from speculate he could resign if his frail health becomes an obstacle. one papal historian rejects that scenario. >> he has spoken about this saying that he is for life. it's important in a world that is a colt of health and youth but in the church we say there is a mission which god gives you which is for life.

>> doctor say the prognosis is still guarded and that he is still not out of danger. >> shannon: thank you very much for the update. a quick note, my new episode of my podcast living the dream drops today talking with joe rosenberg about his newest book, a thriller that looks at the terror connections in foreign policy challenges ranging from the middle east to the asia pacific region. check it out wherever you get your podcasts and don't forget we have special coverage of the joint dress to congress on ♪ ♪ dreams begin here. welcome to the goodnight club.

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