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from nbc news, this is "today" with kathie lee gifford and hoda kotb. live from studio 1a in >> hey, everybody, welcome to thirsty thursday. we're so happy you're with us today. it's november 17th. >> already. >> who is that? >> kenny chesney. he's taking a trip around the sun. >> he does that for a living. you know where we're going to have some fun? right here. colin quinn is with us. he's got a new netflix special. we'll find out why he's been spending a lot of time with amy schumer. >> he won an emmy for "the people versus o.j. simpson."
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another smash hit on his hands. everybody's talking about it. the show is call the "this is us." about his wife who he says rocks his chain. we're going to talk about them. >> and nohu tdarsy would be complete without our ambush makeovers. we have our everyone has a story. today's story proves the true meaning of family. >> oh, can't wait to see that. >> and they're all here. >> awesome. all right, tonight is the n football. >> on nbc. >> on nbc. >> this is a new thing and we're all excite about it. >> the new orleans saints are playing the panthers. >> carolina panther. >> it's going to be a great game because the panthers are 3-6 and the saints are 4-5. >> i wasn't going to put on the jersey because you know, i only wear a giants jersey. but look at the back, that's frank's middle name and cody's middle name.
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the game -- what's on the back of my jersey? brees. >> brees. love him. >> coverage tonight at 7:30 on nbc. it's going to be a fun game. >> so mandy moore was on james corden's "late late show" this week. she talked about touring with n sync when she was just 15 years old. she was the group's opening act. and then something happened. she ran into justin timberlake while they were backstage. which each sure she couldn't believe it. he said something to her that she never forgot and not in a good way. take a look. >> but justin timberlake was there and he was -- somehow there was a conversation about feet or foot size, comparing shoes. all the background dancers. and i stroll up at 15, like, freaking out that justin timberlake is there and he's like, you have big feet for a
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remember this at all. but i was so impressionable. i thought the world of him. 16 years later, it stuck with me. it really scarred me emotionally. >> she wears -- >> a size 10, which is fine. if you're tall like she is. >> and you are. >> people often go, well what size? well you're really tall. how much do you weigh? i'll say 152. well, that's because you're tall. but you still know. >> a l >> i think it's weird. >> in proportion in you know what i mean. >> you don't forget. think about a cruel thing someone said to you when you were a kid. >> you never forget the cruelties. you never forget the kindnesses. you try to forgive the cruelties. you do remember. >> you remember. >> but you can't forget. >> so this thanksgiving when you guys are all sitting around the thanksgiving table and someone's about to say something, think twice before you blurt out something that might not be kind. it takes one second to edit it.
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>> to tell us all about it is our guest, the beautiful amanda avery. >> so there's drama in bachelor world. i'm going to take you back to a year ago when ben higgins was the bachelor. remember him? he looked like peter brady. that's how we kind of remember him. he ended the show with a proposal to lauren. they were going to live happily ever after. they got their own spin-off reality show that we've been -- i've been following. wedding. full-fledged wedding planner mode. she's picking out dresses. this week on the show, the show brought in a therapist to kind of talk to them. it was supposed to be funny. and to kind of check in and play like newlywed-style games. the topic of the wedding came up and all of a sudden he burst into tears. >> don't do that, guys, oh, don't do that. >> take a look. >> i don't want us to rush it. i don't want us to jump into
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figuring out. like maybe somebody involves knowing what you're getting into. there's still things we need to know. >> i have no idea what just happened. i had no idea that ben was feeling this way. and i feel completely blindsided. >> i feel like we have so much to figure out that really feel comfortable getting married. >> so you're saying the wedding is off? >> yeah, i am. >> wait, should have postponed. >> yeah, so this is the big wedding, like they were going to have a big -- i'm holding hope for them now. i think there's hope. >> what do you think?
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has been so gung-ho with the wedding and you can see him pulling back and getting glassy eyed. this was a bombshell though. for him to say -- because they probably have some kind of deal going or this was going to be a televised wedding. they did go to chris harrison the host and say officially the wedding has been called off. >> oh. >> now saying that, there's two episodes left of this reality show which follows the ups and downs of the relationship so we will see. >> some people do get that way when it getse the girl's planning and planning and the guy's retreating. >> the crying thing is -- >> no, i believed his tears. >> i believed it too. he did break down. they even went wedding cake shopping and she picked out a coconut wedding cake. he's like, i'm allergic to coconut. shouldn't we know these things before we get marrieded? >> i love when amanda visit us. we love you amanda. >> hook, line and sinker amanda.
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waiting for. you're about to make your bird or it's coming up next week. we have the people who know how to cook a turkey better than anybody. butter ball is going to be on the fortunate. we have to take care of her. we have a woman on the phone named phyllis cramer. phyllis cramer from butter ball call center in naperville, illinois. okay. all right. hi, phyllis. >> hi, good morning. we're talking turkey here. >> we are talking would you do answers and questions from our viewers? >> sure. >> all right, christy asks this, which is better for a juiciness, an oven bag or foil and a roasting pan? >> the one thing before i answer that is to tell you the most important thing is to be sure your turkey is not overcooked. and if you get yourself a good thermometer, that won't happen. so either method.
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oven just like the picture. perfect gorgeous bird. that's what most our callers are asking about. it's our favorite actually. and the turkey is just brushed with oil, put it in the oven and close the door. >> oh, so don't use a bag? >> you can put it down, colin. >> so if you use a bag, it's a little different. it's more steaming than a roasting method. >> we hope you guys can hear home -- >> i'm sorry, we're having a little bit of issues with the call breaking up a bit. but she said don't put it in a bag, stick it in the oven. >> use the butter ball and when the little temperature thing pops out, it's done. there you go. presto. >> we prefer if you have an oven thermometer. >> see, an oven thermometer. >> you're not selling your own
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the thigh, get a good thermometer. >> phyllis, thank you very much. >> sorry we couldn't hear you well. >> what is colin doing? >> getting really to serve the turkey delight. i like she said, a good meat thermometer. and you go, what about the other one? you went against her whole principle. >> you did. >> because have you ever had a -- >> oh, you're so principled. did you ever have a butter ball turkey? >> what? >> never mind! >> all right, it's time for a little music, colin. this is blues traveler. who doesn't like a little blues traveler. "run around," baby. doesn't this put you in an instantly good mood? >> yeah. >> come on, colin. ?? he dances like a guy, right there. >> i'm dancing with three
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woke with something in my head ? ? i couldn't escape the memory of the phone call ? >> all right, a little blues traveler. >> thatty like, hoda. >> there's a shout-out, right? >> oppenheim, the senior vp in charge of today is -- >> yes. >> look at that man. >> he's not here and he's not watching but we wish him the best birthday ever. to noah. we are going to chug in your -- in celebration of >> sharp tongued and sharp witted as she drinks, he's the quintessential. >> colin quinn stops at his old 30 roc stomping grounds. after this. coming up on "look! famous people!" we catch flo, the progressive girl, at the supermarket buying cheese. scandal alert! flo likes dairy?! woman: busted! [ laughter ] right afterwards we caught her riding shotgun with a mystery man. oh, yeah!
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him. >> we do. it's actor and comedian colin quinn. >> he became a household name -- i bet my mother doesn't know him. in 1998, he began hosting "weekend update" on "saturday night live." >> i was a household name in the '80s on "remote control," but go ahead. >> starring alongside amy schumer in the movie "train wreck." now he's back with a netflix special. a taping of his successful off broadway show the new yorto of this city and residents. take a look. >> everybody from new york thinks they're better than anybody else. everybody. we think we're smarter. rich people, poor people, middle class. this is the only city that has blue collar snobs, you know. you could take somebody two years of high school, put them in a room with m.i.t. professor, after an hour, what did you think of them? they're not new york, you know. >> when you're right, you're right. welcome back.
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>> last time you were here actually i think it was because you were off broadway with this show. >> yes, i was. >> you did have great success with it. >> ridiculous. it was a juggernaut. >> was it? >> no, it did good. >> and it did well. >> it did well. remember those commercials, do like i done. >> do you mix it up every time you get on stage? if you went on monday and tuesday, is it close to the same >> yeah. >> i got a feeling stand up you is you because you're the same commercial breaks as you are on camera. >> remember you talked about your boss? >> yes. >> what did you say? >> i was just annoyed that i came up with a great concept which is the empty chair for the whole show and people waiting in anticipation of who's the next guest. >> what does that have to do with noah? >> he's supposed to be the producer. he should come up with ideas like that.
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screenplays. >> he might win an oscar. >> day time, oh, yeah, haven't heard that story before. >> all righty. >> can i be john connelly in the movie? >> it's too late. the movie's coming out. >> all right, let's talk about the rest of your life. you and amy schumer are pal, right? >> yeah. >> that start before "train wreck"? >> started before "train wreck" and ended right after "train " about her? because people are fascinating by her. >> what do i like best about her? she's sarcastic. >> she's a you. >> she really is. yeah, she's a real ball -- you know whatever. >> that's all you got to say about amy? >> she put this instagram thing on the other day. nice time, we all see each other. she has to trash me just because
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i said, amy, don't worry, i don't believe that nonsense that you would buy a tacky five bedroom apartment like a kazakhstan warlord when you're only one person and it turned out to be true. i didn't know it was true when i read it. >> you can't know what -- hey, where do you get most of your -- the fodder for what you do? >> your material. >> do you go to clubs, do you watch people, ride the subway, what >> yeah. like all the comedians. i rode the subway here today. thanks for sending that car. >> all righty, well, noah wouldn't let us. noah's like no. >> he's like, guys, we need this for the wrap party for jackie. we got to tighten our budget. >> colin quinn. the new york stories available on netflix available tomorrow. >> good luck with it. luck of the irish.
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about it. >> you literally -- your jaw dropped watching the end this. when you read through the script, could you believe what you were seeing? >> he signs often his end of the script as m. knight fogelman because it's his little joke. i remember reading it flipping out. and then watching it and you see -- like they light the cigarette in the hospital. you're like, why is he smoking in the hospital? >> maybe had to watch it twice almost. >> then you see all the costumes er everybody's wearing and it's like early '80s. it was great. >> you guys seem to get along like nobody's business or else you're great actors. >> you know what it is, you can't fake camaraderie. we have a genuine love and affection for each other. we're great people that enjoy each other's company, that's it. >> did you have any idea it would be this massive a response? >> we knew that from the beginning there's a lot of buzz from the trailer because the
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views, something like that. but until people actually watch it, you never know how it's going to be received. >> it's such a crap shoot, isn't it? >> it really is. >> well, you came off that emmy win playing christopher darden, which was amazing. just reliving you up on the stage receiving your award and what you said in the end about your wife and how she -- what did you say, rocks your chain? >> hottest chick in the game. >> something like that. >> am i close? >> the hottest chick in the game rockingy who came up started to say the same thing. >> that night, do you feel like it's one of those life. changing nights for you? >> yeah. it was an out of body experience. >> yeah, inbet it was. >> when i walked up on stage. first of all, they said my name, which you don't know if that's going to happen or not. my cast mates who are all fantastic who are nominated as well. other people from fx. so when i walked up, on stage,
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it's thirsty thursday and we have two lovely ladies ready to walk the red carpet. >> time for ambush makeovers. >> gorgeous new looks in time for thanksgiving. working their magic as always, our team of "today" contributors from louis licari, la, la, la. >> and jill martin. >> kids, how was it today on the plaza? >> here i am with my favorite ladies. we found two of the sweetest makeovers to date. >> kim is our first lovely lady. she's 60 years old from harrisburg, pennsylvania. kim's birthday happens to be today. >> oh good. >> the birthday present she wanted was just this, an ambush
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because she's been taking care of her moms who has parkinson's. her mom's watching from home right now. now with kim's daughter brittany. take a look. >> you just whispered to me this is the best birthday i've ever had and you're already crying. tell me why you want this. >> because i've been taking care of my mom for six years. like 24/7. >> you deserve this. >> yep. >> aw. we're going to make you smile. and your besty seems so excited for you. >> i am, it's amazing. i'm so happy for her. >> we're going to take care of you. >> thank you so much. >> oh, wow. >> and sharon's here. she's like, i am so happy for her. keep your blindfold on for just a sec, okay. here is kim before. all right, kim, let's see the new you. wow. unbelievable. okay, are you ready? sharon, take off your blindfold,
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she's right there. that's her. oh, my god! >> she's liking, where are you? >> all right, kim, you've got to see yourself. >> all right, ready. >> you look like a model. >> you got it. >> look at you! >> you look gorgeous. oh, my. look again. look again. wow. >> you look fantastic. >> you look gorgeous. >> louis, tell us about the hair. >> first of all, t because her other hair was a bit highlighted and it made her look grayish and brown together. this is warmer. just brightens right up. then of course took her curl, kept it and just used it for body. >> that's an arson cut, boy. >> that's an arson cut. she can do this with her fingers or with a blower. >> what do you think? can you even handle it? >> this is the best birthday ever. >> happy birthday.
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>> could you believe this body? >> yes. >> so we wanted to give you something dressy you can wear for the holidays. this is maggie london. i love the built-in jewelry. >> gorgeous, gorgeous. >> just beautiful. >> you look great. >> a big round of applause for kimmy. kimmy, come join your friend. >> our second lady is shelly, she's 42, from lan cast, kentucky. she's an eighth grate teacher for three years. she went to college at 35 to show her kids that college is attainable and important. she wants an ambush the first time in her life that she's okay with herself. and it's time to look like she's okay with herself. let's listen to her story. >> so your nickname is bun lady. >> bun lady. >> so tell me about that. >> well, i'm a school teacher and every day you don't really have a lot of time to get fixed up so i just throw my hair in a bun and go to school. >> so you're ready for a glam new look and we can do whatever we want? >> whatever. i so need this. i need it. >> are you ready to see an
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she's here with her hustony and kids morgan and logan. >> is she going to get in trouble? >> apparently she calleded in sick. >> she called in sick from school. anyway, life goes on. >> let's take a look at her before. now let's bring out shelly pluckett. what? oh. >> bun lady no more. >> no bun lady anymore. that's right. you guys ready to look? okay, take it oh, my god. >> oh, my gosh. >> wow. >> you don't even look like the same person. >> you want to turn around and look? >> take a look. >> you got scared. you're going to love what you see. >> oh, my god. >> oh, you look beautiful. >> wow. >> okay, we're ready. >> we need it. >> thank you. anybody over there? yes, the daughter, the daughter. all righty. >> shelly, first, you don't have
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dr. louis, no problem. again what we did here, i lightened her hair. she had some very white pieces on the bottom that we just took off. and, again, the side part and the color. finding the new lipstick colors for both ladies. it looks so beautiful and natural. >> this whole group. >> i know, what do you think? >> so good. >> amazing, that is crazy. >> kentucky, >> i wondered. >> tell us about the outfit, jill. >> the outfit is from chicos. and a statement necklace from marlin chef. >> why don't you step out? big round of applause. louis has a present for you. >> here's your color -- >> -- in it the most difficult of time, everyone has a story,
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recovery which opened shawna's eye to the true meaning of family. >> my husband brian was riding his bicycle home from work when someone hit him. he had to be airlifted to the hospital 45 minutes away where he was admitted to the icu for internal bleeding and a broken pelvis and back. my parents were driving from wisconsin to florida where they had rented a condo. they were in nashville when i made the dreaded call. they immediately turned around and drove straight to our house in our two kids, griffin and alis. brian was in the icu for six weeks undergoing multiple surgery, procedures and dialysis. the road to recovery was very uncertain. with the hospital so far away, i couldn't commute back and forth either day. my parents stayed the entire time so i could be with brian 24/7. they took the kids to school, to all their extracurricular activities. they helped them with their homework and comforted them when
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late the first day back. after that day, it felt pretty normal. as the weeks went on, my mom kept reassuring me, you need to be with brian, we have the kids. knowing they were being so well taken care of, i was able to concentrate on brian's recovery for his entire three-month hospital stay. my parents put their entire lives on hold. there is no real way to thank them or express how grateful we are for all they did for us. they truly symbolize the meaning of family and the sacrifices parents make fhe >> beautiful. now we get to meet shawna, her husband brian and her amazing parents, luanne and jim are here. so great to have you all here. this was recent, so how are you feeling now, brian? >> feel great. >> yeah. long time in that hospital. >> it was a long time, yes. >> i mean, when you think about your parent's support, because you always wonder what we woulder do when we got into this kind of situation. i mean, i guess you had no doubt
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>> absolutely. >> describe what they meant to you during the time. >> just being in the hospital, there was just, you know, minute to minute things going on with brian. i didn't have to worry about the kids. i just knew that everything was fine. they were being well taken care of. >> i love the line about how we didn't get to school on time the first day but then it got normal after that. what was it like being mom and dad again? >> really? >> to little a while. it was, you know, we had our joy in being able to become a hockey grandma, gymnastics and everything else that we did. we had told shawna just don't worry, we've got your back on this. you know, it's -- >> jim, how was parenting the second time around for little
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ended up being sports addicts. we bonded pretty much. be able to follow him playing hockey. >> there he all are by the way. >> the whole family is here. >> you go through these things as a family. if you're blessed enough to have a family. and a close one that takes good care of you. well, when we come back, we've got a very special song just for all of you. >> and a performance by one of broadway's brightest stars coming up right after this. ahh...still sick, huh? i'll take it from here. i'm good. i just took new mucinex clear and cool. ah! what's this sudden cooooling thing happening? it's got a menthol burst. you can feel it right away. wow, that sort of blind-sided me. and it clears my terrible cold symptoms. ahh! this is awkward. new mucinex fast-max clear & cool. feel the menthol burst. and clear your worst cold symptoms. start the relief.
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we're here with our new et everyone has a story honorary. >> now it's time for you to hear the song that david friedman and i wrote for you and your whole new, everybody. it's called "the road to
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berlin musical "holiday" currently on broadway. ? in this life we will travel many roads ? ? some of them easy some steep ? ? and during our travels we'll bear many things ? ? and sometimes we'll laugh sometimes we'll weep ? ? but perhaps the hardest road ? ? is the road to recovery ? ? the long road to home ? ? in this world
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? when we go through trials through pain ? ? that during our darkest and deepest night ? ? we will finally see the light through the rain ? ? on the hardest of roads we'll have learned ? ? this this long road to home ? ? home sweet home there is no place quite like it ? ? there is no place that matters anymore ?
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god help us fight find it ? ? it's everything on this road we're praying for ? ? on this road to discovery ? ? this road to recovery this road to restore our hope on this long road to home ? >> so sweet. wow. beautiful. gorgeous. david. >> we're going to be back in a little bit with something special for the entire family. >> but first this is "today" on nbc. >> yes, it is.
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has a story series. they were treated to a very special performance. also with us, composer david friedman and our dear friend david wild. now we have a surprise for you. >> first, what did you guys think of the song? >> it was beautiful. >> it was the best one. we have almost 100 of them. >> can we talk about how great of a singer? that was just amazing. gorgeous. >> well, it's easy when the song is so beautiful so thank you. >> i love the way you included a lot of people don't think they should or don't or are uncomfortable. >> well, when you guys were talking, brian, you were getting so emotional. so it was hard not to include them, not not to include them. >> we have other family members here. your sister's with us and her kids. okay, the gangs an all here. we know you made this trip to new york as a family vacation. shawna, your kids, griffin and elise are here as well as your sister, nieces. we'll make sure you get to see
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you guys are going on at ride. >> an interactive tour of manhattan complete with live performances, comedy, karaoke. >> it's fun. >> it is fun, we've been on it. they're patented mobile theaters. >> not all. we know you're a retired dance teacher. tomorrow night, all nine of you have tickets to see laura lee in "holiday inn." 20 classic songs including blue skies andaster parade. >> a family day. how does that sound? >> oh, great. >> god bless you happy thanksgiving. ya'll are awesome. >> so much to be grateful for. tomorrow, actors dennis quaid and diane lang are here. >> plus, how to keep the conversation flowing.
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noon... an eastern iowa woman taking from her own experience -- and heln closet... and a real taste of november coming tomorrow. get ready to bundle up. kyle has your forecast -- at
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welcome back to our beloved kit. what a whirlwind trip for you, new york. >> you were on assignment. >> kit hoover's on assignment. >> i felt like i was very official. m megyn kelly and we heard things we hadn't heard before. >> she's been promoting her new book, "settling for more." we heard her talk about roger ales, donald trump, bill o'reilly. she stands to make over $20 million with her next contract. what i love about it, she is sort of this new woman, very

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