from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: today, new reports that army sergeant b bergdahl was tortured in captivity but firestorm over his release continues. >> we you a an opportunity and suezed it. >> schieffer: congress wants more answers including why they were not notified. being exchanged for five hard core call dan terrorists. we'll talk to diane feinstein the chair of the senate intelligence committee ranking committee republican saxby chambliss and david rohde who was prisoner for seven months. to discuss that, hillary clinton's new book and other nice and all-star panel. "new york times" columnist tom

friedman, "washington post" michael gary senn and harvard university's gave girl general. 60 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs >> schieffer: good morning again, there is overnight report that sergeant bowe bergdahl is still undergoing tests and treatment at the u.s. medical center in germany. the "new york times" reports this morning that his health at least physically is improving. he is up and about and wearing his uniform. the newspaper also reports that he says he was tortured and kept in a cage for long periods of time after he tried to escape and that he is not yet ready toe meet with his parents and others. senator diane feinstein who is the chair of the senate

intelligence committee is here at the table this morning, senator, let me ask you, do you have any information about these latest reports that he tried to escape while in captivity and that as result was put in a cage and tortured by the taliban? >> with respect to escape, no information bit rumors. with respect to being tortured this is the first i've heard of that. >> schieffer: would anyone at the white house should have briefed you on this latest information and i say that because our national security correspondent, david martin, was checking this at the pentagon this morning and they were not confirming it but they also were not waving him off reporting that story. i find it interesting that the administration knew you'd be coming out on "face the nation" this morning, that somebody didn't give you a tip that there

is some new information here. >> well, you'd think so if there were new information. i just can't say, but i think this whole sort of deal has been one that the administration has kept very close. and in the ice of many of us, too close. because it has a long history going back to 2011 when it was part of a major reconciliation effort with the taliban and we were consult and the concern there was that the confidence building measure was up front that measure was the release of these five taliban detainees. and there was feeling that if you release them up front there would be no reconciliation. if you release them after progress or at the end had the agreement to do so that you might get a reconciliation agreement. and that subsequently apparently

fell apart. so there are concerns over -- i heard john kerry this morning say, you know, don't worry about them in doha. you can't help but worry about them in doha. and we have no information on how the united states is actually going to see if they remain in doha that they make no comments, do no agitation. another room i one taliban has apparently sewed that he would return -- said that he would return to the battlefield. so, it's a mixed bag at best. let me just say this. should we see that our g.i.s who are taken hostage are returned, absolutely. and one of the things that vice chairman of the joint chiefs made very clear was that the

army will look at this very carefully. they will make judgments, they will evaluate it. if he needs to be tried in a military court he will be. i think that's the way it should be. what's unfortunate is that i see no sign of the taliban relenting. i have deep concern now that they have tried to kill almost new elected president of afghanistan, dr. abdullah abdullah who i happen to know. yet to me is a sign when karzai appointed peace commission and rhamni headed it. extraordinarily difficult. some of us worry very much that when we pull out the taliban

finds its way back in to power that would be tragic. >> schieffer: do you worry, senator, if i take what you're saying here, that the deal may have put other american lives in danger? >> well, i can't certainly say that. i don't know. but i can say that the way it started out in 2011 these five were to be held in house arrest in doha, now there is no house arrest. they have the country which is very small to be about in, secretary kerry made strong statement saying we have ways and we will see that they do not defect, move, speak, whatever. and we'll see. >> schieffer: you're not as comfortable with that as he is? >> it's hard to be comfortable when you really haven't been briefed on the intricacies of carrying out this agreement.

>> schieffer: did it bother you that the administration did not brief you on this, because they're saying as late as yesterday i was told by administration people, look, we never brief congress on an ongoing operation. and that there had been briefings before all this got away. >> well, that isn't necessarily true. we have been briefed, the chairman and ranking member, senator chambliss and i have been briefed on operations underway. we understand the security of that. we have never violated that. but at least you have some knowledge and you can make some comment. that's never been the case with this particular situation. it hits us as a real surprise. >> schieffer: were you that the president chose to have a rose garden ceremony?

i think we have to get our people. we have to go after our people. but -- what did you think of that? >> well, i assumed that he knew all the facts and perhaps he does. i don't know. but freeing of a soldier who has been in custody of the taliban for five years, that's a long time. i think is news. and i think the family is important. now how this all went down and how people interpret it, i can't comment. but i don't think there was anything out of -- i think the president was just justifiably proud of this. he wanted to say it to everybody. >> schieffer: all right. senator, thank you so much. always a pleasure. senator feinstein's counterpart on the senn ate intelligence committee ranking republican,

saxby chambliss he joins us from moltrey, georgia. did you get any information this morning, did anybody brief you about this new information that he was kept in a cage and that he tried to escape from his taliban captors this all comes as what i would think is big news. i would think this might change the views that people have if they had known about this. >> just like diane, i've heard rumors about the escape as far as keeping him in a cage and what not, i read about it in the press this morning. nobody has made any effort to contact me from the administration but then, you know, i learned about this after the fact. diane and i were both called on monday night after bergdahl was released on saturday. and told that it had happened

this administration has acted very strangely about this, bob, kind of puzzling as to why they did not let us know in advance this this was going to happen. >> this latest information we were told by officials hats the pentagon today there was no confirmation of what bergdahl is telling people in the hospital there. but they said we wouldn't wave you off from that story, in other words, nobody was saying, hey, this is dead wrong, this never happened. does that suggest to you that -- i don't know what it suggests. couple of things i would think maybe they're trying to check this out, maybe they're not quite sure of what they have been told. what would be your assessment? >> i think they're going to be a lot of things that bergdahl tells the army and medical folks that he's talking to now that going to be very difficult to validate. that's not to say they're not absolutely true. but we weren't there.

we have to be who was on the inside. we don't know exactly what happened in his life over the last several years except we do know he was captured, he's been in the taliban's hands for these number of years. i just suspect that you're going to have, number one, rumor coming out about what he may be saying but then other actual statements that he may make that are going to be very difficult to validate. and again that's not to say they're not true. >> schieffer: do you think the administration was right in withholding information about this, senator, at one point i was told yesterday, well, we don't ever brief the congress when there's an operation underway. and so then there was another report that he was in bad health and this had to do this quickly because of his health, reports this morning are, he's making a very good recovery at least

physically they say he's now wearing his uniform up and around, walking around the hospital talking to people there. but the report at least in the times that he's not ready, i guess you would say auto membersally, he has not talked to his parents yet as far as we know. >> well, two things i would say. number one, i can't imagine anybody in the administration being able to look the american public in the isaying we never briefed members ever congress on ongoing operations, the classic example of that is the bin laden operation. diane and i knew for months and months what was suspected rell testify to the low cakes of bin laden. had a good idea of what they were going to do i'll never forget the phone kale i got from an excited leon panetta telling me that bin laden had been taken down. those types of things are briefed to us on a regular basis. not a day goes by, bob, that i

don't get briefed on some classified aspect of our intelligence community. a lot of which is ongoing operations. secondly when bergdahl was let go, what we were told and what the public was told is that because of a video that was made apparently in december of last year and viewed by department of defense in january of this year that bergdahl looked like he had lost 10 to 15 pounds, he was in poor health and they were concerned that if they did not make this exchange that his life would be in danger as a result of bad health. well, no intelligence supported that. and now they come back and because he is in decent health considering where he's been, they changed their story. they said, no, we suspected his life may be in danger if word got out of this pending possible

trade that his life may be in danger. again, i can just tell you there is no intelligence to support that and director klapper made that same statement. the whole scenario surrounding this is very, very strange. >> schieffer: all right. senator, we're going to leave it there, thank you for being with us this morning. we're going to talk to peg knee noonan and david rohde was captured and in captivity for some time in the -- by the taliban. we'll be back with all that in just a minute.

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"new york times" columnist tom friedman and peggy noonan of the "wall street journal." david, back when i were working for the "times" were captured by the taliban in afghanistan and held for six months. what do you make of this new information we're hearing this morning that the sergeant actually was tortured while he was in captivity telling people that he tried to escape that after he escaped from the taliban they put him in a metal cage and kept him there for long periods of time. >> it sounds very credible. i was kidnapped by the exact same taliban faction they work closely with the pakistani military. i was able to escape i had afghan take me to a military base, bowe bergdahl didn't have that. the reports are credible. i also think that bowe bergdahl needs to answer why he walked off that base. i caution americans, this is -- there's all these rumors that came out during my case and many

were not true. it's really important to sort of wait get the facts here. a lot of the reporting on this story has been way off and we need to hear from bowe bergdahl about what happened that night. just on another note i still today five years later feel tremendous regret for going to an interview with taliban, getting kidnapped what i put my family through. whatever caused bowe bergdahl, did he desert, he will regret this for the rest of his life. i guarantee you. >> schieffer: i know you kept very close contact with his parents and with some other people whose relatives have been taken captive. have you talked to his parents recently? >> i have. this is public, it's been reported, they are getting death threats at this point. they are heartbroken by what's been happening. i guess they are also asking for time if there was any loss of life, if any american soldiers did die in the search for bowe that would break their hearts as

well. though are just again asking for time and in process. >> schieffer: you wrote the other day the folk he is of our anger should be on the kidnappers, they are the problem not the hostages. their families or our government that meets the demand. talk a little about that. >> well, the reality is that taking prisoners is working for militant groups, it didn't start with bowe bergdahl. israeli exchange a thousand prisoners for one israeli prisoner. european governments have paid over a hundred million dollars in ransom to al qaeda affiliates in the last years. militants were looking to kidnap american soldiers and civilians. there has been success in this area in countries like colombia and philippines is try to get troll of these ungoverned spaces where terrorists have safe havens. pakistan is the problem here, people have been talking about

it for years. the reason this deal happened was because there was this pressure from the pakistani government to get bowe bergdahl free. u.s. officials have said that there was no pressure on the network, taliban faction that had bergdahl has worked closely with the pakistani military. they didn't pressure them, there was no effort by pakistani military to find them. >> david, thank you so much. we're glad you're home here to report and analyze this story. tom friedman you've been reporting on this story far along time. what is your -- just give me your view on what happened here and what we should make of it? >> the big headline -- these things are inherently messy ever aspect of this story. i think administration did the right thing in bringing him home. i think we have that commitment to our soldiers. you listen to diane feinstein and senator chambliss, you want

people to be around for the landing you should have them op the take off. seems that was mistake not fully briefing them. it was mistake to have this white house press conference elevated with the family. >> the rose garden. >> should be handled in a lower key way. now i totally agree with what david said let's just wait until the facts are out. any time you go back over story one week, one day, one month later you always discover a new thing. i'm withholding judgment on everything else. >> schieffer: peggy? the. >> nature of the changing information they say this then that. this dripping out of information that has been refuted is very strange part of the story. the stiff arming of congress is an amazing part of this story. as senator feinstein i think between the lines more or less saying that. there is one way it seems to me that immediately you might clear

up some of the facts. that would be bowe bergdahl himself in a hospital in germany for eight days now. meet with the press, some reporters or one reporter. it is odd that he appears to be being kept in isolation. i spoke last night to a vietnam prisoner of war, he was there almost seven years, 'buysed, beaten, all the terrible things. when those guys were finally sprung they were taken out, put in a hospital for a day or two, put in clark air force base then they were sent home. they had been treated terribly, they were all wounded one way or another but ale lloyd to speak freely to the press, immediately called their family, army set oat up. it seems to me strange that this man, mr. bergdahl is being kept away from clearing up all of the questions about who he is, what he did and what happened to him while he was there.

>> schieffer: as i understand it, tom, he's not been ale lloyd to call his family yet? >> east doctors haven't recommended, i don't know enough about psychological state. say one other thing about the taliban:is important point for me which is release these five guys, been off the battlefield for 1 years we need to stop treating these people as if they're some combination of paul bunion and john wayne. they weren't 15 feet tall, they're important to the taliban, the country will survive if they are released and even if they return to the battlefield. >> major big serious operatives and players and there's no particular reason to think they will not be going back to the show. >> schieffer: we are going to hold this thought. i'll be back with personal thoughts of my own about some or things. we asked people a question,

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>> schieffer: speaking ever the 70th an verse rear of d-day as we've been doing all week reminds me that only hoopla for hillary clinton's new book is not a first time memoir has stirred up interest. there is much the same when hero of d-day, dwight eisenhower released his book. one of his first stops on his book tour was "face the nation." the title of your book is -- >> walter cronkite and battle of reporters got right to the news but as it is today they also asked about, did ike like his -- >> some of the reviewers on your book suggested that they find in the book what they interpret as coolness toward mr. nixon, they particularly note that you referred to him throughout as mr. nixon or the vice president. never seems to get very warm in

the relationship and if you can clarify your personal relationship with the vice president? >> that impression has just resisted throughout these years. like one that people said back about 1955 offeree 6 thinking that he might become candidate. well, why like nixon. and you say, why. don't know. now in the same way people have said, well you don't like nixon. well, nothing could be further from the truth. >> schieffer: truth to tell among those who thought ike didn't likes nixon was nixon hill self who talked about it. back in a minute.

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>> schieffer: welcome back to "face the nation" we have good talkers this morning. some of the best in the business. also pretty good writers. tom friedman of the "new york times" still with us as "wall street journal" columnist peggy noonan a former aide to president reagan. joining them here david gergen who worked for reagan and clinton now at harvard. and the former bush white house speech writer, michael gerson now columnist for the "washington post." tom friedman says these people in the taliban are not ten feet tall and peggy noonan said, wait a minute. >> we covered the conflict i watched them arrest, deattention or assassinate one senior hamas official after another. we got the senior guy. and sure enough there's another one that springs up right after

him. that is number one. number two, this whole business with guantanamo bay, in to super max prison they might fly off the roof. we have built these people up. i'm sorry. in to giants i'm in the saying it's not important to release them but details of this case aren't relevant but let's have a little per speck testify on here. i'm going to sleep okay where they are around the block. it's a much bigger problem, real problem is, get the heck out of afghanistan. >> schieffer: i see some raised eyebrows offer here. >> i would be sleeping better if i had a sense that the administration had a real plan as opposed to a desperate -- if administration add said to congress this is how we're going to make sure these five serious operatives and strategists for the taliban are going to be controlled in the future they won't be in the game. there seems to be no plan, there

seems tough been a dumping and a hope that it wall all turn out okay. and trust that if it doesn't turn out okay these guys turn bad do bad in the future that's okay because we all will have forgotten by the time that story blows. >> schieffer: i must say that i do agree with tom when he says we always have to go and get our people. we can never leave our people behind. but what happened after that is the part that i have a problem with is this rose garden ceremony all that. you were at the white house, how did that strike you? >> part of the problem here is the president told a simple moral story. return of the a hero when in fact it was a very complex moral story, ethical story. he gave a tragic choice, the trappings of victory they alienated a lot of people in the process.

members of congress who didn't feel conthed. declaring him honorable service, they felt compelled to object because they know the mooning of honor. it's different from what the administration was talking about. i think the president now talking about this is political football. i think they provoked these reactions that have undermined their own fairly reasonable choice. >> schieffer: susan rice, the national security advisor, says that he performed honorable and served with distinction. do you think maybe she wasn't briefed? >> she's clearly briefed. i think she over spoke. i don't think she meant to leave the impression she did. she's trying to correct it. far better off to come out say, look, i made a mistake, i wish i

had expressed it in a better way. the fact is the way it came out i think plays directly to what michael was saying. what the administration has done is won the argument they did the right thing in getting bergdahl out was the right thing to d. most of us here at the table, probably all of us would agree that's right. but the way they then presented it ignited this firestorm. because it shows so little understanding of how people in the military, active duty military saw him and saw what he had done. i think some degree reflects the gulf that is between the 1% who served today and rest of the civilian population. post of the people who work in the white house never been in the military. they just didn't get how angry, how offensive people in the military would find it that someone who had been found in the original army report said, there were report concluded he deliberately walked off. to the military guys, that's

basically about desertion, a lot of guys went in to tens if not hundreds of operations to find him and save him. but people were killed in that. in the minds of people in the operations had it not been for those -- that search that people might still be alive today. >> i find it also i guess for want of better word, interesting, that we have this report coming out in your newspaper this morning, tom, whereberg dale r call is telling people in the hospital that he was captured -- that he tried to escape while he was in captivity. after he was caught and brought back they put him in a metal came, they tortured him. this was horrendous thing. if that story is out why wouldn't the chairman of the senate in tell generals committee have been briefed on that? i would think that would be

something she might want to know before she came on "face the nation." >> and something to be helpful for the administration to have their allies understand what happened and be able to talk about what happened. instead everybody is taken aback. it's weird. this administration has always been love them, not love them, pretty savvy about the pr of things and on this one, a way that is almost startling. just to back up david's point, this without staff desertion on the field of battle is -- or dropping out after one year. no idea what that means. >> anonymous white house aides talk about -- they now have

called the person in question honorable and questions and motives of people in the unit. who are calling in to question a long narrative. probably good thing that these aides remain anonymous because they should be fired under those circumstances. badly handled. >> on information side it was fire ready, one thing in mind, announcement and obviously didn't do the best. but i am struck that every day i pick up the people, two stories in this morning's paper one that he was kept in a cage. that would have affected his mental state. this was a forlorn unit out in the middle of no where, incredibly dangerous environment, had trouble with its commanding officer, just find out more stuff every day this is on one i keep peeling before i drew my final conclusion. >> i agree with that up to a point. that is learning he may have

been in a cage makes you more sympathetic, the death threats against his parents are outrageous. but if what we see over next few days stories of -- he just wandered off, he was in a daze, he was a young kid. all that may be true, but fundamental fact is this, we have a passive code in this country that if you serve in the military, our obligation to you is, if you get lost, you get captured we'll come get you. but you have obligation to us when you're in uniform you stay on your post, you do not leave your post, do not leave your buddies you know this from air force days, certain things you did not do. i think we cannot lose sight of that even if we understand there are mitigating circumstances, even if we understand that he was treated very badly, it is still fundamentally true you have to get -- need his side of

the story if he deliberately waked away that is a serious matter it did leave his buddies, his comrades in danger. we need his side of the story. >> schieffer: let's hope we get it. >> what i'm saying is let him tell the story. >> schieffer: somebody else is prepared to tell her story because her big book is coming out this week that is hillary clinton's memoir, this is the book. has gotten a roll out, i don't recall a bigger publicity push that's going on. first, not a lot of information we didn't know about in this book. of course the question that everybody wanted to know, are you going to run for president and she said, well, i'll let you know. but she said, i have some other things i want to do in the meantime this is what she said on abc. >> travel around the country, sign books, help in the mid-term

elections in the fall then take a deep breath and go through my pluses and minuseses of what i will and will not be thinking about. >> schieffer: she says that she'll probably get it in her mind toward the end of the year, probably won't announce what she's going to do until some time next year. let me gist come right out on the record say, i think she's going to run. >> certainly feels that way, i don't see any other democratic figure right now other than joe biden. >> schieffer: she doesn't know what the challenger -- the governor from maryland, anybody else? >> maybe andrew cuomo. >> i think she's already running. real question is, whether she calls it off or not. >> what may get her to do that? >> her level of energy.

how she's feeling. how much she thinks she can get done. can she mic a difference if she's elected. could she choose things with congress. if she can really -- >> schieffer: could she win. >> she's ahead by double digits. >> i think republicans need to take seriously how strong a candidate this is. she is the one that raised the 3:00 a.m. question. she meets the basic tests. she's a compelling candidate. i think one of the questions here is whether she gets challenge from the left in the democratic primaries because she's very tied to wall street, she's a hawk. could be brian schwitzer or somebody who tries semi serious candidate from the left in this circumstance. she's going to have to -- >> she needs someone to beat. >> have to run on more on entitle the. every can't date has to have

stronger message that that she needs a vision. >> schieffer: let's say -- put her aside. michael, who is the republican nominee? with is going to run? jeb bush going to run? >> people say this, maybe say it every time but it is really open field. there is no republican front runner, no guy who is next in line. many of the possible front runners, establishment front runners have flaws, christie or jeb or others. i've never seen a more open field than that one. >> do you think christie is still alive? >> he's the greatest raw political talent in the republican party. just to say this guy could win the office, this is the guy who could win the office. jeb bush is a want, serious policy guy, position the party well forethe republican nomination. the question is whether on immigration and common core some other issues are disqualifying republican primary.

i hope he tests it. >> schieffer: you probably know more about this, my sense is even those within the bush family don't know if he's going to run or not. >> his mother has an opinion on that. >> i just see so many guys, exactly as ike earl said, full field of people -- you haven't fully -- including some in creaking guys like rand paul who showing up at berkeley getting young people who are not republicans to come in, he talks to them about national security and feeling about foreign policy. somebody told me that republican talker that he's the only -- rand paul is only guy he's seen who is actually growing the base a bit. i don't know if that is true. it's anecdotally correct. the republicans will have great war, i must say i agree with

michael the republicans in debate are ten guys, maybe some women up there, plus chris christie. autos going to make sure you enjoy that debate. it's going to be good. >> schieffer: one interesting happened in texas the republican state convention was in fort worth yesterday they had straw poll. ted cruz won going away. you know who finished fourth? rick perry. i'm wondering is this the beginning of the end of the rick perry if he's going to try to run again. >> i don't think he has an opening on the national stage. what i can't believe how much of juggernaut hillary clinton has compared to everything else. there are two million people who signed up for hilary. 55,000 people sent in mob she has more money on hand than all the rest of the candidates combined.

and she's ahead by ten points or more against every republican. >> schieffer: let me ask you about this. one thing i keep hearing on the republican side is that if jeb bush decides not to run mitt romney may try to do it again, i'm hearing that. i don't know how strong that is. >> i am not -- i just may not be -- would that be possible? i think he and his wife made it so clear after their second try that they're not interested in again. i think there are so many serious people in this thing. ultimately i think rick perry is making an impression when he goes to small groups. i think he probably will be in the mix, too. maybe surprising. >> people get momentum from the previous candidacy when they do a good job. the perception that mitt romney did not do great is job and rick

perry didn't do a great job. they may be fine choice. i just say one thing i don't know much about politics here but if you look at obama right now you look what we're dealing with as a country, incredible technological shift that is changing work and education. abroad we're dealing with a world where countries integrated. how do you marg them. whether it's hilary's book or republican run off got answers for that problem that the next president will face. also i think disturbing we have president with two and a half years left in office and already focusing -- the conversation with president obama on climate change. people listen to him. >> schieffer: i think that is a very good point because look what it is happened this year.

congress announces back in february they weren't going to do anything. no immigration reform, no -- we'll be back after the election. don't waste entire year as i like to remember, they pass that 1964 civil rights bill that was election year it was deep in to an election year that they passed it. now that seems to be out of -- >> relates back to the bergdahl story. once you get in the eyes of congress hard to get anything done. if you treat them they will not go along with you. even more complex on climate because president has done something with the epa rule, and complicated his job with congress by undermining democratic candidates in kentucky and west virginia in coal states, not just left-right issue it's regional issue. it shows how hard sometimes to do your legacy. same time trying to win a

mid-term election. so much off the table we can't discuss, piled on there so big. everything is off the table. >> schieffer: the thing now, primary opponent. where they signed the declaration of independence, i don't think they said, i don't know if i want to sign this. they were worried about getting hanged. we seem to have lost that in american politics. it's very strange. i tell you what i think about who is running, who is not running. i hope both parties nominate the very best person. people with will be qualified to be president. i never said i'd vote for. if the guy i vote for loses i want the country to be in good hands. >> i'd like to see the loser genuinely congratulate the winner and pledge to help. it would really make a difference.

>> i agree with tom we need candidates. we have a huge challenge particularly here with failed education systems, transition from education to jobs which is not made by a lot of people in america. we need competition on these ideas instead ever a stale, ideological debate between more government or less government. >> schieffer: we'll come back tom will talk to us 'brought interview he had with the president on very thing we've been talking about. climbed change.

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also try new listerine® naturals. the only mouthwash that combines the power of listerine® with naturally sourced ingredients. >> schieffer: tom friedman is maybe the hardest working reporter i know he's just back from kurdistan where he delivered among other things a commencement address in addition to doing some reporting there, he also interviewed president obama recently on this issue of climbed change for showtime series "years of living dangerously" i want to play just a part of that interview that will air later on showtime. >> at least today you'll see something on the national security side or domestic policy side that was impacted by possibilities of climate change. the area where we are most concerned is how climate change could end up having proceed found national security

implications in poorer countries. others we're concerned about driving in california or hurricanes and floods along our coastlines, all those things are bread and butter issues that touch on american families. but when you start seeing how these shifts and displace people, entire countries can be finding themselves unable to feed themselves. and potential conflicts that arises out of that, that gets your attention. there's reason why secretary of defense an joint chiefs of staff have identified climate change as one of our most significant national security problems, if not just actual disasters that might arise. it is the accumulating stresses that are placed on a lot of different countries and the possibility of war, conflict, refugees, displacement that

arise from changing climate. >> schieffer: that interview airs monday night, right, tom, showtime. what else did the president say? >> importance of of -- it's always been a little bit of a hot potato, they have been worried about taking attention away. the importance is threefold. first of all there's no one who can change the conversation more than the president. and i'm big believer to own something, name an issue you can own it. named by the people, liberal, unpatriotic, vaguely french. what obama is doing in this interview and i think with his epa regulations is renaming it. in know straighttive, patriotic. and one of the big points in the

interview, get whole different discussion one is international energy agency, in 2010 1/2 came out with study that said we basically have to keep roughly two-thirds of proven oil reserves, oil and gas in the ground. we can't -- president talked about that, agrees with that assess. over time we have to make that transition. yet he said -- >> schieffer: we'll look forward to that interview. thank you for being with us this morning. we'll be back.

>> schieffer: that's it for used to we'll be right here next sunday. thanks for watching.

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