>> schieffer: i'm bob schieffer and today on the "face the nation" the cease fire in gaza is over. there is intense fighting ineastern ukraine and all dip pats are safely out of libya. we will hear from prime minister benjamin netanyahu and pavlo klimkin, the chairman of the house intelligence committee, mike rogers, fors an excerpt of charlie rose's interview with hamas leader. and we begin "battleground tracker" a joint project with the "new york times" to gauge the political mood in america and what to expect in the midterm elections. 60 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning again, we start today in the middle east where hostilities resumed after the temporary humanitarian cease

fire. barry peterson joins us from gaza city. >> good morning, bob. all this talk about maybe another cease fire or extension, both sides cannot seem to quite get it together. i will tell you personally do not take it to the bank. we had an incident near where we are staying. the israelis laid down white smoke that is their way of sending a warning. and several minutes later, they hit the neighborhood hard. we know this area because we've seen some hamas rockets being fired into israel. yes, it is a legitimate target and also a civilian area. i will say when there is a cease fire gaza springs back to life. and the main market which was abandoned during the shelling, was full of people selling produce and fruit, my favorite moment: coming across the kids in a playground. they flocked into the playground, filled the area. it was lovely to hear the

laughter of children because what we get most of the time around here is the boom of artillery. bob? >> schieffer: barry peterson. thank you, so much, barry. and joining us now from jerusalem, the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu. prime minister, thank you so much. we hear first that a cease fire turned down and another one is called for. and now apparently that was is off, too. what is the very latest? >> israel has accepted five cease fires up to now. we accepted them and implemented them. hamas has rejected every single one of them and violated every single one of them including two humanitarian cease fires which we accepted and implemented in the last 24 hours. now, they floated a cease fire proposal. and you know what? this is astounding. they violated their own cease fire and firing at us as we speak. israel is not obliged and will

not let a ruthless terrorist organization committed to our destruction to decide when it's convenient for them to stop for a moment and rearm and continuing fires on our citizens and our people. we will determine what iswn important for ourssand k can to protect our people including working against these terror tunnels they are digging against us. that is how we will act. we will act to protect our people. >> schieffer: will you increase the ground offensive inside the gaza? what is the next step here, prime minister? >> i'm not going to talk about military operations. i will say we have a right to defend ourselves. you have to image having the united states of 80% under rocket fire and 80% of your people having to go to a bombshelter within 60 seconds. that is unsustainable. image have the terror tunnels dug to come in and explode your kindergartens or murder and

kidnap your citizens. image a attacks by land and sea and air. you will take whatever action is necessary to protect your people. and that what israel is doing. i cannot go into more that. i hope, i hope we achieve a sustainable quiet that will enable us to address the issue of demillion tarrizing gaza -- demilitary rise gaza and if hamas is weakened and discredited then we may have a chance to work with more moderate forces and get a better future for all of us. >> schieffer: prime minister, i know you have been concerned about the tunnels for a longtime and you have known they were up to something there. but was this underground complex more extensive than even you thought it was? >> well, we knew about the terror tunnels more or less the size of it. we are getting more information now precise information.

but what you see is this vast underground terror kingdom. these vast tunnels in which they poured in tens of thousands of tons of concrete. you know, people were saying bring concrete to gaza. bring cement to gaza and help rebuild gaza and what hamas did was take that concrete and put it into the tunnels that are meant to come into our communities and blowup our kids and kidnap our people. i think that is why, i think that the economic and social relief that people want to have for gaza and we want to have for the people of gaza once this is over, is tied to demillion tarrization. we have to make sure that concrete that is brought in is not abused and brought to dig in new tunnels. we have to make sure that money that people want to go for the people of gaza for their social relief, and we have no objection to that, is not used for buying rockets and missiles and drones

and everything else that hamas is using against us. i think we need demilitarization of gaza and social relief for gaza. and the economic and social relief for the people of gaza is tied to demilitarization. >> schieffer: when you say demilitarization what does that mean? does that mean israeli troops go back in there and keep the peace? obviously you are talking about shutting down the tunnels but what does that really mean? >> that has to be discussed as part of the overriding goal. otherwise we could find ourselves in the same situation. i think once we get the egyptian initiative which basically calls for an and conditional effort to try to address these problems i think once we get too that we will have to discuss the means of actually making sure that gaza is not remilitarized and how do we prevent stuff from coming in and what do we tie in

visavie social and economic relief and money or materials that go in are not used for remilitarizing gaza. and there are ways of doing this. it's important to put that out as an overriding goal and it will have to be discussed in egypt when the time comes. >> schieffer: prime minister let me ask you this: many people agree with and sympathize with your determination to stop the attacks on your people but they are worried everytime the world sees this pictures of the children being hurt and killed that you may be losing the battle for world opinion. how do you respond to at that time? >> well, i think this gets to the essence of hamas' strategy. hamas is responsible for the civilian deaths. hamas is not only trying to kill our people it's sacrificing its own people, willfully and

horribly. they are using their people as human shields. we ask the people to the civilians to leave and they ask them to stay. why? because they want the bodies of the palestinian civilians to pile up. and everytime we see a dead civilian you know we regret it deeply. nobody can fail to have the feelings of regret and sorrow when you see these things. but the blame should be placed at hamas' door. because hamas wants to have more and more palestinian civilians killed and that is why they are using then as human shields. that should be condemned. i recognize what you say about world opinion but i can only appeal to decent people everywhere and tell them if you are concerned about civilian lives it's not because of israel. israel is not targeting a single civilian it's hamas that wants to have palestinian civilians killed and hamas should be squarely blamed

>> schieffer: prime minister thank you for taking time to tell the american people the latest on this. thank you sir. >> thank you. schieffer: cbs news this morning co-host charlie rose sat down yesterday in qatar with the leader of hamas. he went directly to the question what does hamas want? >> the war in gaza sends two messages mr. charles to the world. the first message it is high time to lift the siege on gaza. >> that is exactly what secretary of state kerry asked to be negotiated after the cease fire to have a week of cease fire. so you can do that. but you are asking that to be done as a precondition to the negotiations? >> this is not a prerequisite. life is a right for our people in palestine since 2006 one the world that refused the outcomes

of the elections our people actually lived under the siege of eight years. this is a punishment we need to lift the siege and we have to have an airport. this is the first message. the second message in order to stop the bloodletting we need to look at the underlying causes and the occupation we need to stop the occupation. it doesn't take heed of our rights. mr. kerry months ago tried to find a window through the negotiations to meet our target to live without occupation and reach our states. netherlands netherlandsbenjamin netanyahu killed our dream and american initiative. we are not fanatics we are not fundamentalists. we are not actually fight the jews because they are jews per se, we do not fight any other races. we fight the occupiers.

on the contrary we respect the religious people. we ask for tolerance for coexistence. and the jews and the christians and the muslims, god's created us as nations. and we are different. and the quran says that to coexist together. >> i think i heard you say and we'll close on this. you believe in the coexistence of peoples and therefore you believe in the coexistence of palestinians and israelis in the middle east? >> i cannot coexist with the word occupation. i'm ready to coexist with the jews with the christians and the arabs and non-arabs and those who agree with my ideas and i disagree with them. however, i do not coexist with

the occupiers and the -- >> it's one thing that you want to say you want to coexist with the jews and another thing to say that you want to coexist with the state of israel? do you want to coexist with the state of israel? do you want to recognize israel as a jewish state? >> no. i said i do not want to live with a state of occupiers. i do coexist with others. >> no longer occupiers. at that point do you want to coexist and recognize theirg4 right to exist because they would recognize your right to exist?ste then the palestinian ll decide on itsmf policies.nswered you. but palestinian people can have their say when they have their own state whout& in natural s can others. >> thank you.

schieffer: more of charlie's interview tomorrow morning on cbthis m one-hour interview tomorrow niueghtte rose show on pbs. and we want to turn to the other major story the battle in ukraine where gn-backed separatist rebels for the country's eastern region. and joining us is ukraine's foreign minister pavlo now your forces are tryinge area. do you have the militaryerewithal to do that? >> good morning. and my first point and very clear point wexí as a are quite confident that we could negotiate a peaceful settlement with everyone. but we cannot negotiate directly of course with the terrorists who shutdown the -- shot down the plane and who havein;] be p hostages taking the small pensions from the oldlnerable people. it's exactly the point and the main leaders the russian citizens with different

connections are russian specialices and quite clear: we need a cease we don't need milit offensive. we need ader c c everything is nst money but theave -- idea how to reach a peaceful settlement. >> schieffer: let me ask you this: what do you think president putin is up to here? what is he trying to do? >> you know, ifv÷(] see the dosk donetsk it is our land and y dust the-r there? it is about a clear attempt of destablizing eastern ukraine it's about disrupting any kind of critical infrastructure. if you are separatist, you would like more independence and you would like to reform your own plans.

by trying to distract infrastructure electricity water and gas pipelines. so it's about a clear idea how should destabilize eastern ukraine and probably the whole ukraine. not just about eastern ukraine and ukraine is my point >> schieffer: what would you like to see the united states do 0 right now? >> we see the united states as a friend and partner. and we have also solidarity from the united states. what we need now is to make ukraine a success. we are fully committed to freedom. we are fully committed to the rule of law. it is difficult financial situation in ukraine also because of ongoing developments in the eastern ukraine so we need u.s. assistance for success, successful economic reforms for the reforms in the

fear of rule of law and we also need more assistance on the ground also for our forces. so it's the kind of package we need to make ukraine successful, to make ukraine united democratic and european country >> schieffer: is there any doubt in your mind that the russians are responsible for the shooting down of that airliner? >> imagine, you can buy a rifle on the black market. but how can you buy on the black market highly sophisticated antiair missile capable to shoot down the plane of 10,000 meters? and then, can you imagine the terrorists could operate highly sophisticated weapons there? it is of course about responsibility of those who bring across the border or inflow of weapons and weaponry. and it has to stop and it's one

of the preconditions for successful and peaceful settlement in the eastern ukraine >> schieffer: mr. prime minister thank you for joining us and we wish you the very best. we will be back in a minute. >> thank you.

schieffer: joining us now to tell us what he knows about all of this one of the most knowledgeable members of the house of representatives the chairman of the house intelligence committee mike rogers. mr. chairman let's go back to israel for a minute. hamas continues to fire the rockets. they poured all this concrete as you heard prime minister benjamin netanyahu talk about, where are they getting this stuff? >> it is an interesting combination. and there is an interesting development on this front. iran is publicly in their own newspapers touting the fact that they are helping militarize hamas in the gaza strip and now the qat tarrees are saying we want to pull iran away and want

to support which is a dangerous combination for israel. you have the two-front combination, the qat qatarrees are engaged. and so that money and they pilfer money that is coming in for legitimate purposes to divert to tunnels. the hundreds of millions of dollars they have had over a decade 20% of the people in gaza strip are not connected to a water source. 90% of the water does not meet international standards but they have got the israelis closed 35 tunnels. they are diverting legitimate money and you have iran maligned into this interest in a way that is very, very dangerous >> schieffer: i thought the qatarrees were our allies? ism this is what makes the it so interesting. and you have the qatarrees

supporting hamas and places in syria that is why it is intertwined that makes it a dangerous stew indeed. it is one common things that the shia's and the sunnis do not like is a state. and it's spreading to other areas, bob this is the problem. there is the unseen war in this particular event and that is the new cyber front. there are not only what you see coming from hamas attacks on israel and now we have nation states engaged in the region incyber conflict that could cause this to escalate in a way that is dangerous for stability >> schieffer: how much money do you think has been poured into these tunnels? it's literally millions of dollars which came in there to build schools and things of that nature? >> i think they diverted some of the legitimate money. clearly that happened. instead of building water infrastructure they diverted that money to build the tunnels. and i think they are getting money from iran who has been a

malign force in that region. think about it. they are putting hezbollah in the fight in syria and supplying hamas with weapons. that is the difficult part here. and what is concerning about that is just about 10 days ago or sox the united states agreed to allow iran to have $2.8 billion released just for them to continue nuclear negotiations. and that is what is frustrating with the administration now. all of this works together. you cannot pick and choose one region. it has to work if concert. when you free up $2.8 billion for iran when they are cash-strapped because of sanctions that means they can continue to do the bad activities in the gaza strip including missile components what we you had according to public reports they have offered to help hide the missile systems and their work in syria with supporting the assad regime. it's not working in concert that is helping cause this confusion

in the middle east. >> schieffer: congressman, i want you to explain and made this more dire than i understood it at the beginning of this broadcast. i want to thank you very much for coming by and filling us in. i will be back with personal thoughts in just a moment.

>> schieffer: trying to understand the news of this terrible summer it's hard to come away with any feeling but that we are in the midst of a world gone mad. on one side of the world an ego-driven russian leader seems to yearn for the time of the czars. and if people died so be it. in the middle east, the palestinian people find themselves in the grip of a terrorist group that is embarked on the strategy to get its own children killed in order to build sympathy for its cause. a strategy that might be working at least in some quarters.

last week, i found a quote of many years ago by gold da mayer which might have been said yesterday. we can forgive the arabs for killing our children she said but we can never forgive them for forcing us to kill their girl n a world gone mad what is to be learned? perhaps we should start by remembering what historian will door rant once said. barberrism does not guy out but retreats behind the barriers that civiliation has thrown up against it and waits there always to reclaim that to which civilization is temporarily laid claim. back if a minute. minute back in a minute.

>> schieffer: some stations are leaving us but most of you we will be back with more "face the nation" including an interview with former secretary of state madeleine albright. so stay with us. [♪]

>> schieffer: welcome back now to "face the nation." and we turn now for perspective on all of this to former secretary of state madeleine albright. madam secretary we are very happy to have you and to help us to try to understand. i can remember times when the nation i thought was coming apart, 1968 in the battle over vietnam and all of that. the '68 democratic convention. but can you recall a time when there was so much trouble in so many different places around the world? >> first of all it's good to be with you bob. but iqj(!%9- the fact that this is happening in so many different parts of the world we grew up in a different era where we were focused on the threat from the soviet union and that was the major activity. and it clearly was dangerous.

but what has happened now is that we are seeing problems in a variety of places. some of it due to globalization, frankly, which has opposite side that created a lot of nationalism in those countries that or places where people feel lost within the facelessness of globalization. and then because of technology. because there's too much connectivity and also not an understanding of all the various pieces of the news that come into us >> schieffer: we have so much going on right now it's almost like we are caught up in events out of control that we have until this second when i will bring it up had time to talk about the shutting down of the u.s. embassy in tripoli, libya, because the americans there were caught in the middle of a fight among militias. i'm happy to report they got safely out. secretary of state says that is just temporary. but almost no attention to that.

we have not talked very much in the last week or so about what is going on in syria of all places. and that is just a slaughter house apparently. >> well there are two different things going on. and i think partially in the diplomatic world there is something going on all the time and it is the job of diplomats to manage it. but there have been two huge game changers and this is putin's behavior vis-a-vis crime yeah and now towards he owe creemy yeah and now characterize and the other is what is happening in the middle east a lot due to the arab awakening and also the artificialality of the borders that were established after world war i. these are huge game changers and a lot of americans are trying to figure out where the countries are. most americans knew little about islam and did not know the difference between shia and

sunni. there are things that are going on that need understanding and explanation but to put it mildly, the swl a mess >> schieffer: what is your take on putin right now? what does he want? right now he seems to be thumbing his nose at us even though we continue to put sanctions on him? >> i think putin is living in his own world. he made up a lot of lies in terms of who is responsible for the fact that the soviet union disintegrated. he actually called that the greatest disaster of the 20th century. hard to believe when two world wars killed millions of people, among them russians. that is the first lie. and he has in fact proper begannized that. -- proper began diesed that. and he wants to reestablish himself as the identification of russian nationalism and to do everything he can to reestablish

something akin to the soviet union not that but a grouping of countries around russia that are completely subservient to him and moscow. and until he can get that he will work to destabilize eastern europe >> schieffer: talk about what is going on in israel right now. if you were the secretary of state right now what would you be telling the president? what can the united states do here? >> well, let me say i so admire secretary kerry for all the effort he has put into thisment i think all of us worked hard on t but it is a tough proposition. we know what the solution is. president clinton laid that out before he left and it is a two-state solution and a number of aspects to it. the united states can put down all kinds of plans but until there's political will between the parties themselves, it's very hard to have anything happen. but i think secretary kerry is

doing everything he can at this moment to prolong the short peaceful cease fires or humanitarian cease fires. and then see whether he can get them back to the table. but the problem as we heard in the charlie rose interview is what are the preconditions for them getting to discuss the conditions. it is a tough sell for everybody >> schieffer: listening to the hamas leader to talking to charlie rose and he said yes we can coexist with the jews but he said we cannot coexist with the jewish state. and charlie said but how do you -- he said we'll decide after we get our state whether we can coexist with the jewish state. it sounds to me like these two sides are as far apart as they have ever been. >> i think they are. and it sounded like double-talk to me. but the bottom line they are seeing each other's problems from a negative side and what

you need to do in diplomacy is try to put yourself into the other person's shoes and they are not doing that. and they are proper began propagandizing and trying to persuade the population that everything is the fault of israel. israel has a right to protect itself. but i think they are far apart. they are definitely >> schieffer: is israel in danger? and i talked to the prime minister about that this morning. i totally understand his point of view. in fact, i agree with it. no country would allow another country or another group of people to fire rockets in there. but as the horrible pictures continue to come on television are they in danger of losing this battle for world opinion because they are winning? >> i think the quote that you had from mayer is stunning tonight could be said today. and there was an incredible movie called "the gatekeepers"

where military people were so sad about how they had been made to be more cruel as a result of a lot of the things that were going on. i am concerned about israel. i am a great believer in the security of israel and the moral authority of the israelis. but i am very worried about what is going on in terms of their image >> schieffer: let me ask you about something else and how things look on television. the president has gotten a lot of criticism for going to all the fundraisers.#'5" everytime you turn on the tv he is en route two afundraiser. even though the horrible things are happening around the world. is that criticism fair? would you say mr. president maybe you ought to dial back a little bit? >> i do not think it's fair. i know the following things: that a president does not travel alone. not only is there equipment that goes with him that allows him to

be in contact and he has advisedders. we do not want to operate in a way that the united states decides that there's nothing we can do until unless of course it's foreign policy. and i disagree with that. i do think that the united states has to be engaged. i have believed that. i have called us the incidence penceable nation which means the u.s. has to be at the table and president has been on the phone and been working in a number of ways to push and you can see that in terms of not just the phone calls but meetings and a variety of ways. i do not think it's fair >> schieffer: rightly or wrongly, and i take your point there is a perception to seems to me that in many parts of the world there is an impression that the united states is somehow stepping back. >> i read that myself but i do not believe it. i think that the thing that has

changed is we don't want to be the world's policeman. the american people don't and i think what has to happen is to really work harder on the variety of partnerships. when i said indispensable it requires partners and sometimes being at the table speaking first. sometimes speaking last. motivating others to do the things. and the first part of the program you talked a lot about europeans. the president has been pushing the europeans. the europeans have to step up. i am appalled at the slowness of the europeans in understanding what is going on in europe itself in being not only supportive but being genuine partners in pushing on what putin is doing on supporting the ukraine on making clear that the behavior that putin engaged in is illegal and that we have a responsibility together and the

united states together with our partners, i think is very much in the lead >> schieffer: madeleine albright it's always great to get your perspective. thank you so much for spending this time with us. we will be right back.

>> schieffer: well, we are going to have analysis now from one of the busiest people at cbs news and that is our state defendant correspondent margaret brennan. she is just back last night --

>> landed after midnight with secretary kerry. >> schieffer: margaret what is the secretary's mood? where does he think we are on any of this? >> the secretary left the middle east with no firm cease fire agreement in hand but the hope that you could see short-term rolling cease fires that could end up with both sides stopping from killing each other long enough to agree maybe it's worth talking. but it's not clear what was agreed. and that is going to be played out on the ground. and what we do see and what kerry's message to the israeli prime minister was is that you may be winning the war against hamas but you are losing the war in gaza which is palestinians are watching fellow palestinians get killed. you saw massive protests in the west bank while we were there in the middle east there's outcry in the arab world and the vote of iran was not insignificant and the united states was the only country that stood with

israel and do not want to see the human right as contributions. for them, the united states is saying look beyond this immediate conflict and we need to talk and have negotiations about a broader settlement that addresses the security issues longer term >> schieffer: and what about putin? what is the latest news on that? do we think we are close to getting his attention? >> well, it's been costly for him to do what he is doing but it has not stopped him from helping to but respect the russian troops. the state department released images of proof that russian artillery has been helping in firing and supplementing some of the separatists cross border. which is to say this is not just russia backing the separatists but russia fighting for the separatists. it's not clearment the strategy does not seem to have changed it's just about sanctions and punitive rather than preventative measures and the europeans are very slow to react

>> schieffer: and what about the situation in tripoli? in libya? we did get the diplomats out of there. is there anything we don't know about that? a back story here? >> there is a lot of concern in the region. this is one of the things that secretary kerry was talking about in cairo. they are looking next door and are concerned about the terror threat and that country being on the brink of civil war. the administration is sensitive of course, to the security of diplomats in libya particularly after what happened in benghazi with the attack on the u.s. diplomatic mission there. they say there is no direct threat against the personnel they got the diplomats out because they see the militias fighting close to the u.s. embassy. when they are going back is unclear >> schieffer: we are going to let you go home and you might want to take a nap because you will be on the road again soon.

>> no doubt schieffer: thank you margaret. we will be back to talk about campaign 2014. we will look at that in a minute.

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>> schieffer: and we are back now to begin a new project with "the new york times" that we are calling "battleground tracker" we will be working with a group called ugov. we have assembled an on-line panel of 100,000 voters in every competitive senate and congressional district. between now and election day we will be in contact with the panel to gauge the mood of the electorate and estimate what the results would be in the election were held at that point. we are at this point to talk about this morning the project and results of the first survey. anthony salvanto is our cbs news elections director, david leonhardt is the director of the "new york times" upshot and we have amy walter of the cook political report and john dickerson our cbs news political director. anthony, the big question: if the election were held today, based on the data that you have assembled, the big question is: would the democrats hold their

majority in the senate? >> our senate has the republicans taking it at least 51-49. and there is a little bit of movement maybe towards 52-53 in some scenarios there. but republicans we find have this edge many options. because there are so many states in play now. we knew that the democrats would have a hard time holding a lot of the southern states and the conservative states where there is a lot of that races and defending more seats. but we see a expansive map out of this data and races that are very, very tight too. >> schieffer: so six seats republicans would have to hold all that they've got and then pick up six seats to claim the majority is that right? >> that is right. and we think they have an inside track or a certainty on two or three of them. they need to get a couple more. pushing back against this a little bit though, is the democrats would like to try to take kentucky they would like

to take the georgia seat and they think they have good candidates there and right now in our polling they are just a little short >> schieffer: so, david what are the races democrats and the two independents in the senate hold 55 senate seats and republicans 45. what are the races that will have to change that if the republicans do in fact take control? >> the senators run every six years. the people running now ran six years ago a year of the obama wave. and so you have a lot of races in republican-leaning states most of the time and that is the problem for democrats here. it's north carolina, kay haig sen running a tough reelection cape and alaska, we are talking about states in the presidential elections vote republican. so essentially although many things can happen the democrats have a good chance to keep it. the reason we think republicans are favored if the states go the way it did in the presidential election, the republicans get senate control

>> schieffer: i would say at this point it would appear if the election were held the democrats would probably lose montana, and probably lose south dakota, and probably lose west virginia. good news for the democrats if the election were held today, they would probably hold their seats in new hampshire and colorado. and anthony you are talking about that race in kentucky and also the race down in georgia where sam nun's daughter michelle nun is the democratic candidate. talk about those racessism i think kentucky is a tough task for the democrats. mcconnell should be considered a strong favorite. a state strongly republican as kentucky the idea of flipping to the president's party in a midterm election would be exceedingly unusual from political history. i think kentucky is tough for the democrats not impossible but tough. georgia is easier. and it's in part because of

demographic change. georgia has a growing latino population and black turnout has risen a lot. i think michelle nun has a shot to win that race which would be important for the democrats. >> one of the things we see is that with so many tight races one point or two points yes our estimates point in one direction and think of this as a baseline. we are not trying to make predictions but gauge with the panel where we are today but it tells me that the local campaigns are really going to matter. because one or two points here can move easily. and we are going to track it and i suspect we will come back and see back and forths which should be fun to watch >> schieffer: i want to bring in amy and john. amy, is there anything that ties all the races together? is this going to be any kind of a wave election as we call it? or are these all individual races. >> clearly what we are seeing in the numbers if there is good news for the republican is that

the environment is good for the republicans. the president's approval rate something low. the enthusiasm on the part of republicans much higher to turnout vote than for democrats. people are not feeling good about the direction of the country and so many of the states are red states carried by mitt romney. that all goes to the benefit of republicans. what is standing in their way in many cases are republicans themselves. we saw them in 2010 and 2012 lose slam dunk seats because the candidates were terrible. candidates matter and campaigns matter and this is where the democrats say the other thing that matters is that republicans' approval rating is lower than 2010. there is a different environment. people see republicans in control of the house and they do not like what they see. so that is the one thing that democrats have. and the other thing is that they know how to go and work on the ground. they say barack obama that campaign they revolutionized the way we go and target and turnout

voters. you will not see that in polling. the only way you will see it is when we get the election day results. >> when the people in the key senate states are watching the election they will have the feeling of disappointment. they will not hear people talking about what you have been talking about the things in the world. they may not hear about the things that roil us at home. the democrats to pushback against the national wave and i add one another the electorate is older which tends to benefit republicans they get more of that vote. to turnout single women, minorities, younger voters democrats those folks do not turn up in midterm electionsch democrats will target them with specifics. there will be talk about women's health. an important issue but not on the top of everybody's mind. there will be attempts to narrow cast into the constituencies to increase democratic turnout in the special election year.

>> ronald reagan got a larger percentage of the white vote than mitt romney did. and ronald reagan won. am i right in that? >> romney -- romney got more -- a larger percentage >> schieffer: it did not sound right. these things happen. he got a larger percentage of the white vote than ronald reagan did yet he lost the election. but you had barack obama in this race in 2012. he is not there this time. will that make a difference? >> well, we have evidence that it's not just obama. obama as a candidate matters but if you look at elections some midterm elections it seems that voter turnout among african-americans has risen. and of course we have vastly more latinos and asian americans groups that vote democratic. as john pointed out the groups

do not vote in midterm elections. it will be a task of the democratic turnout machine in 2014. >> having said that we see historically that people that go to the polls and disapprove vote 80% or more against his party's congressional candidate. to that extent yes he is on the ballot. >> that is right. and many of the states, it's not these are not heavily minority majority states where the electorate is going to look different. this is not a battle for control of pennsylvania or florida, colorado being an exception in the race but these are a lot of southern states or a lot of states where the white vote is still the key to winning the elections >> schieffer: all right we have to end it there. we will be back and see you next month when we will see if the election were held then what the results would be. for complete results on all of this check out our cbs news

website and the section on "the new york times".com. we will be right back.

>> schieffer: well, that is it for us today. be sure to turn into cbs this morning tomorrow morning for more of the interview with hamas leader and for all the latest on all of the developments around the world. that is it for us. see you next week right here on "face the nation." [♪] captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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