>> schieffer: i'm bob schieffer. today on "face the nation," terrorist issue a new threat against targets in the united states. the group responsible for the 2013 attack on a kenyan mall released a new video appearing to call for attacks on american shopping malls. we'll get the latest from the head of homeland security jay johnson. and the chairman of the armed services committee john mccain. then we'll talk to the new governor of texas greg abbott who filed the lawsuit that blocked the president's plan to shield illegal immigrants from deportation. we'll get analysis from our panel, hear from president obama's former advisor david axelrod on his new book "believer" and we'll document the impact this wild weather is having on human behavior. it's all ahead because this is

"face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs welcome jeh johnson the head of homeland security. mr. secretary, let's get right to this video that came out that talks about al qaeda they appear now to be targeting some american shopping centers at least encouraging attacks how seriously do you take this? >> this reflects the new phase in the global terrorist threat that we've evolved to where it's no longer al qaeda planning and operating in secret directing operatives to come from foreign lands to place of attack. now have a situation where groups like isil, al shabaab aqap are publicly calling for individual actors to carry out attacks in their homelands. and in my judgment that represents totally new environment, we have to deal with it in a new and different

way that involves a whole government approach and involves working state and local law enforcement, working with the community, working with community leaders to hopefully persuade people who might be inclined in this direction to turn away from violence. >> schieffer: are you stepping up security or asking people to step up security at any malls? >> i am confident that there will be enhanced security at the mall in minneapolis. that is the focus of that video. seen and unseen. in response to earlier calls we ramped up the federal protective service at federal buildings around the country. but this most recent release is emblematic of new phase that we're in. doing things here in the homeland has become critical to deal with this new global terrorist threat that we face. >> schieffer: i guess one of the most worry some things abut this whether we think 20,000 people some way connected with

isis maybe three four thousand of those who could come in to the united states without a visa. >> well, that's the other new thing about where we are now. this foreign fighter phenomenon that we see. which requires that we carefully track those here in the country who may be attempting to leave who do leave. we have to carefully track their travel. the fbi does a good job of interdicting those who are attempting to leave charging them with material support to terrorism. but there's some phenomenon of broken travel where we see somebody going to one country they drop off radar then we go in to syria. working with other nations working with our counter terrorism partners to provide collectively about individuals of suspicion is also becoming very important and we've done a lot there, we need to do more. >> schieffer: do we have handle on it or we -- >> we have systems in place to track individuals of suspicion who are traveling

internationally. there is an unknown factor. i have a reasonable degree of confidence that we know who they are but i don't have complete degree of confidence, there is more work to do there. >> schieffer: i want to ask you about this terrorism summit that the president had last week, turns out that the director of the fbi was not invited, you just talked how the fbi is working with you how can you have a terrorism summit not have the director of the fbi there? >> well, the fbi is definitely very, very active in our counter terrorism efforts. his boss the chief law enforcement officer of the country, eric holder, was there. so -- >> schieffer: that's not like having the director of the fbi there. shouldn't he have been there? >> the fbi -- >> schieffer: i know you weren't in charge of the invitations but shouldn't he have been there? >> the fbi without a doubt is crucial part of our counter terrorism efforts without a doubt. >> schieffer: ask you about something else. you used to work with rudy guiliani. he said last week that he

thought the president did not love america. what is your response to that? >> you're correct. rudy hired me to be a federal prosecutor 26 years ago. this past 9/11 mayor guiliani and i spent together in new york city touring fire stations police precincts, i know him well. and i respect mayor guiliani a lot for the leadership and visibility he had right after 9/11, it's an example for how those of us in government should respond to a crisis. i think his latest comments are not helpful and are unfortunate. his comments about the president of the united states. i think this he unfortunate. >> schieffer: you have a problem coming up here, your department may actually get shut down because the congress can't agree, there are some in congress trying to shut down parts of your department because

of the president's immigration policies. what's that going to do? >> well -- >> schieffer: do you think that is going to happen? >> i sure hope not. i think it's regrettable that we're having the conversation. given everything that is going on with the global terrorist threat, harsh winter that we're facing in the south and northeast. everything happening with cybersecurity. very carefully tracking to make sure there is not another spike of illegal migration on the southern border right now there are things that we have to pay for. i hope leaders of congress will come together, i'm talking to democrats and republicans as often as i can about the importance of a fully funded department of homeland security. especially in these times. so i remain optimistic. we've got good people in congress who appreciate the importance of a funded department of homeland security. like senator mccain who i know will be on your show and my hope

is that we will get there. but it requires the house and the senate to come together. when i talk to them they are doing this -- >> schieffer: do you think this is going to be danger america's security if you have to shut down some of these things? >> well, let me give you concrete example. i'm pushing my headquarters staff to stay one step ahead of isil, one step ahead of-challenges on aviation security, one step ahead in terms of monitoring our illegal migration, our border security on the southern border. if we shut down my headquarters staff is dialed back to skeleton. and so that hampers our ability to do that. plus all the other operations in my department. >> schieffer: mr. secretary, thank you very much. i know you're a busy fellow these days we appreciate you coming by. hope you'll come back. >> thank you sir. >> schieffer: go now to chairman of the senate armed services committee john mccain. he's in phoenix this morning where it's a lot warmer than it

is here in washington. senator, let me just ask you about this deal, do you think the senate would possibly shut down, cut off funds to the department of homeland security with the country facing what it's facing right now? >> i don't believe we will. now have an exit sign that is federal court decision saying that the president's actions unilaterally are unconstitutional. and i think we have great argument for the united states supreme court where it will go, because 22 times the president of the united states said, it was constitutional for him to take the action that he decided to take. i believe we've got an option there that we should pursue. i'd love to be a friend of whoever is taking this case all the way up to the united states supreme court. i think that's the best way that we can resolve this. have no doubt, i am angry as are

my constituents in the border state that the president of the united states would unconstitutionally issue the executive orders that he did. >> schieffer: i understand that. i understand your position on that but i mean the idea that the government might actually shut down that the senate would go along with that, i take it you are going to oppose that even though some of your republicans do want to do that. >> i do oppose it. i remember last time we shut down the whole government this would obviously be homeland security, last time we shut down the whole government we turned away 600,000 visitors to our national parks here in arizona. i don't want to see that movie again. >> schieffer: you just heard jeh johnson talking about the terrorism summit. did you come away from that summit, you weren't there but did you come away from it feeling that the united states has a strategy to fight these terrorists? >> we refuse to call them what they are in the beginning.

isis has to be defeated first. they have to be defeated. with all due respect to the secretary it's not a phenomenon these rising isis and al qaeda threats they are natural out growth of a successful terrorist organization that is now largest and richest and most powerful we've ever seen on earth and in our history. and these other terrorist organizations imitate them because nothing succeeds like success. we have no policy or strategy to defeat them and that's what is terrifying about it. >> schieffer: some of the president's critics say there is disconnect not just between the white house and pentagon or the white house and other agencies but just throughout the government. the idea that you would not invite the director of the fbi to a summit on terrorism, strikes me is sort of unusual.

then last week there was this incident involving the pentagon and that is, that there was a briefing given by the military on the offensive we have planned against isis they went over the troop numbers, talked about the timing. i know immediately after you and senator lindsey graham put out a statement said when did we start announcing things like this before they happened. then after you said that, then it turns out the white house says well, nobody told us about this basically. i guess my question is, what is going on here? >> it's my question, too. you know, everybody knows that mosul has to be retain it has to happen first because it's second largest city in iraq for whole variety of reasons. but we didn't, in shock and awe describe how we were going to -- this spokesperson described how

when where, what forces and that is obviously critical to the lives of americans as well as the people we are asking to fight in greater dane fer we telegraph everything about our plans to isis. i just don't get it. i don't think when we decided that we need to go to europe in world war ii going to tell the nazis exactly when and where and how we were going to land. it's just very unfortunate. >> schieffer: do you -- have you heard back i guess i would say from the white house since you asked them what was going on? i know you and senator graham wrote that letter have you heard back from them? >> no, we haven't. i'm not holding my breath. >> schieffer: let me talk to you a little bit about ukraine. it sounds like things are getting even worse there. how do you read what's happening there and what do we need to do

now? >> i believe that german chancellor and president of france legitimized for the first time in 70 years the dismemberment of a country in europe. it's shameful. vladimir putin has not paid any price even the cease fire was violated until he achieved his objective that vital rail link. he'll pull back some now, next so that he can establish land bridge to crimea. honestly, it's terrible. ukrainians aren't asking for american boots on the ground, that's not the question here. they're asking for weapons to defend themselves they're being slaughtered and military is being shattered this is a shameful chapter. i'm ashamed of my country i'm ashamed of my president and ashamed of myself that i haven't done more to help these people. it is really, really heartbreaking. >> schieffer: what do you think can be done now?

>> we can give them to start with should give them weapons with which to defend them sells. there are russian tanks in eastern ukraine they have no weapon to fight against. they have -- some of the best russian special forces are there and they will continue this aggression for as long as they can get away with it. it's not just the military side but economically they are on the verge of collapse as well. vladimir putin wants ukraine not to be part of europe and us succeeding in doing so, put enormous pressure on the balance particulars and continued occupation of georgia as well. this is really a dark chapter in the history of our alliance. >> schieffer: i'll say this senator, i've known you for a long long time interviewed you many times i've never heard you say i'm ashamed of my country, which you just said. >> and i'm ashamed of myself.

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point? >> well, the point that we're fighting on is something that we'll continue through the court process all the way to the supreme court. first and foremost it is essential that we continue to win that point because what we have here is a situation where the president has violated the rule of law. and really contradicted the constitution by actually making up the law and opposing his own standards on immigration system. and so what congress must do is to continue to ensure that the rule of law and united states constitution as constructed are fulfilled. that means congress, not the president, that establishes what our immigration law. >> schieffer: do you think this will go to the supreme court eventually? >> no doubt about it. this is going to the supreme court for couple of reasons. one, because this immigration issue is such a powerful issue in the country right now. second remember this, the lawsuit that i filed against the president actually doesn't deal with the immigration issue.

what it deals with is an overreach by the president who is refusing to follow and abide by united states constitution instead of allowing congress to establish immigration laws as is required by the constitution instead the president himself is making up new immigration law. >> schieffer: let me ask you this getting back to the first question i asked you. the congress senate is put together bill to cut off funding to the department of homeland security to do just what your lawsuit was designed to do, to stop the president. now that this is in the court system and all that do you think it will be best for congress to go ahead and give them a clean bill and fund the department of homeland security so secretary can get back to doing what he ought to be doing? >> two things, one is the first thing that we want to get out of washington, d.c. is full funding to secure the border. the reason why we're in this

problem to begin with is because the federal government has not stepped up to fulfill its duty to secure the border. we all saw what happened on the texas border last summer but we need to understand the problem is not going away. already this calendar year since january 1 we've had more than 20,000 people come across it is border, apprehended unauthorized. we have an ongoing problem on the border that congress must step up and solve. however the issue against the president again is something different altogether. >> schieffer: let me ask you this, i'm well aware of what you're talking about at the border but you got 800,000 of these people that are in the state right now. what are you going to do with them? >> well -- >> schieffer: you don't have enough buses to send back to mexico and you can't put them all in jail, what are you going to do with them? >> two things, one is the president himself said these people were coming across the border that he would repatriate them as soon as possible.

we need to see whether or not the president himself is going to live up to the commitment that he made. the second thing is, what to do with those who are here, by the constitution itself is dedicated to the united states congress knots the president, to decide how to deal with it. so we need congress to have the latitude to fulfill its responsibility to solve the problem. >> schieffer: congress can't seem to get together and decide what to do they just remain at loggerheads. in the meantime you and texas you got 800,000 people there. what are you doing now? >> what i am doing now as governor for the state of texas, i have outlined a plan that does what americans really want to have achieve, that is i have a plan that will secure the border. i'm going to add more than 500 more department of public safety officers, more texas rangers, more technology. we are coming out of our own pocket texas taxpayers' pockets of securing the border doing the job the federal government must

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>> schieffer: but for most of you we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation" including our panel on violent extremism. plus we'll explore answer to the question we've all been asking this week, just how cold is it.

>> schieffer: well coal back to "face the nation." toe talk more about how to defeat isis and combat violent extremists we're joined by farah pandith. first ever special rep to muslim communities now with the council on foreign relations, michelle flournoy was an under secretary of defense and cofounder of the center for new american security. danielle pletka with the american inter price institute and david ignatious is columnist for the "washington post." i just want to go back to this summit on terrorism that we just had. i wonder, how is it that we wind up in an argument about what do you call these people while they're cutting people's heads off and burning people alive. yet we seem to have dogged down in this argument over, how many

angels dance on the head of a needle. michelle, do we have a strategy? >> i think we do have a strategy but there are parts of it that have been under developed and under resourced i actually think it's very important that the summit was convened to focus on the ideology. this is not only about isis forces in iraq and syria about their power to inspire others. trying to put together a strategy that deals with the ideological component of this i think is really important. >> i also think it's important that the president, you see a change in the trajectory of the understanding of the threat if you go back to the cairo speech, the terms ideology and terror were not used. they were used 75 times in his speech. also important that the president outline both the violence and nonviolent ideologies that are part of this threat. and that's really important because it illustrates the importance of soft power also

the underlying ecosystem that allow narrative of the extremists to thrive. second point though, about the summit an opportunity to mobilize like-minded thinkers both from the private sector and from the public sector to do more than we've ever done before. right now in the ideological space everything is ad hoc and it's uneven. this is a moment that we can capture. >> schieffer: danielle, what was your take on it? >> it was good as far as it went. important that the president starts talking about ideology he didn't like talking about it. reversal from his cairo speech that is a good thing. but this euphemism problem that you refer to this is part of the problem. somebody likened it to -- he who hall not be named. we need to tall it islamic extremism not because we want to label all muslims as terrorist but because we want to identify this as a problem, the countries in the region need to deal with, that we need to address.

if we're going to have ideological fight for hearts and minds of these young people who are out there murdering then we need to recognize what it is that is bringing them to the fight. it isn't violent extremism that is bringing them. >> schieffer: you don't agree with the state department spokesman says because they don't have jobs? >> i thought that was utterly ridiculous. i think that data would show that people join the fight not because they don't have jobs sure, there are lost young men and women who go because they're unemployed. you're in the doing badly if you're living in brussels or paris or manchester, those people aren't joining because they don't have jobs. they're joining because this is ideology that has appealed to them. >> schieffer: david you were just out there, what is the latest news from that part of the world? >> i saw two things that i think are worth sharing with your viewers. first i was in iraq i saw just how powerful the push from kurdistan now in to the province where mosul is, other areas just

how powerful that is. mosul is being squeezed, i worry that there's a rush to have the final assault on mosul, being on the roads that just recently been liberating heading toward mosul you can see what a difference these u.s.-backed actions are making. second thing i saw when i went to jordan how powerful arab muslim voices speaking out against the threat from isis are. and this is crucial. it's the reason that i think the rhetoric of this last week although it seems like semantics makes some sense. i think the president was trying to make room for arab voices not blasting islamic extremism because he knows that the way that this war will be won is if muslim countries take the lead. let's not get in their way as they do that. i began to see that in jordan. the recent statements from egypt telling me the same thing.

we always ask, where the muslim voices my sense is we're beginning to hear them. >> schieffer: where are they? >> let me say something about the strategy to go right to it. to win the war of ideas we have to first of all acknowledge that we can win it, we can. the solutions are there, they're affordable and available. but to inoculate the vast majority of the millennials around the world one data point they are having a crisis of i'd fee. that is the first thing. second thing that we have to have a strategy that is truly global. ideological way to get to your point this isn't just about one part of the world. it's what's happening around the world and we have to connect the dots. strait strategy has to connect what is happening in central eric to the tri-border area, to what happened in brussels to what is happening in kenya. these things matter to millennials you can't win this if the strategy is only about the hard power, has to be 'south the soft power war to understand that the extremists are building

virtual armies. we're talking about the troops going forward they are building armies virtually. you have to go all in. that is the bottom line here. you have to go all in and understand that soft power has to be deployed as aggressively and with as much respect as hard power and it's beyond just a communication strategy with isis, this is how extremists are manipulating daily lives and culture around the world that is changing the way millennials think about them sells. until we address the strategy that has all those components we cannot win. >> schieffer: you were a ranking official in the defense department many people thought you would be the next secretary of defense you took yourself out of the running but talking about connecking the dots in all of this it concerns me that maybe we're not connecting the dots within the government. this thing we had last week where they have a pentagon briefing they called on these

reporters and tell everybody we're going to launch this offensive, we're going to have x number of troops and did everything but get time of day that they're going to launch the operation. then we find out white house says, we didn't know anything about that. of course all bad ideas they never have a father. how can something like that. >> i think this is clearly a case where the right hand didn't know what the left was doing. i think there are not only white house not know, i think number of the key folks inside the pentagon in both the civil and military chains of command were not aware that this is happening. i think it was clearly someone's mistake. but i think it shouldn't have scared the more important issue is do we have what's necessary to make the iraq part of the strategy. and the two things that concerned me right now are the iraqi government's over reliance

on the shia militia to make progress in the campaign. we've heard that rean, head of the iranian force on the ground working with the militia, is that could very much backfire. second is failure to fully include the sunni population to take the necessary steps to do that. those are two things that even if we train the iraqis incredibly well and everything goes according to plan those two things can derail this. we've got to be paying more attention to that. >> i think you pointed to something that's really important here. reminds me when she talks about iraq, the hard power, soft power, the strategy ideological war, the idea that you can't beat what's appealing to muslim millennials with nothing other than an embarrassment about talking about our own values, for example. all of these point to an unbelievable disconnect. what about syria, we have iraq, but we're not actually doing enough in syria.

even if we win, even if we take back mosul, we still got a nightmare in syria that is a heart of fighting in the middle east. to speak of yemen and africa and we can keep going. the problem is all of this hangs together if we're going to win, otherwise you are doomed at the line on hard terror you have an immediate threat. >> schieffer: i think what mush sell talking about the right hand does know what the left hand is doing. how do you have summit on terrorism not invite the director of the fbi? you heard jeh johnson doing his best to try to explain how that happened. i don't understand that. >> the answer is that there isn't a good answer. the kind ever mistakes that governments make, my reading of history they get made especially in the early months and years of war time. we're back at world war ii the number of mess up, is that the

united states made on the way to germany is staggering. it shouldn't happen. larger question is, is there a coherent idea about how we're going to defeat this adversary. i think michelle came on the one piece that is still missing which is getting sunnis in iraq in anbar province which is now exactly occupied, in mosul city, in syria, to believe they are part of this coalition to roll back isis. that isis is their enemy. until we see convincing evidence that that piece is done, we'll fix that. but that big piece, conceptual piece that's where i'd like to see our top officials working. >> schieffer: let me just ask you specifically, anybody wants to answer this please answer. is ashton carter the new secretary of events going to slow down withdrawal of troops from afghanistan? >> i actually think his statement in cab buell was very

important that the president reconsidering the option. what is happening is a broader interagency discussion that instead focused on the draw down, finally focusing on what do we need going forward. there is still al qaeda in the region we finally have afghan government worth supporting. we have afghan forces that are improving day-to-day. there is still a threat. going forward what kind of posture do we need? that is a different and positive conversation that finally occurring and may well lead to various and smart changes. >> schieffer: how long is it going to be before these iraqi troops are ready to handle this? >> it's going to be a long time. we need more of our own forces on the ground to help train them, help with targeting i think that people are talking about may, completely unrealistic. summer, but again unfortunately taking back mosul isn't even

part of the larger challenge that we face. if we over focus on that i'm afraid that we leave all these other things behind even democracy issues that the president talked about which is system atly defunded over the last six years all of this has to come together. >> schieffer: what is most important thing we need to do right now? >> absolutely comprehensive strategy of hard power and soft power combined that will allow us to win. otherwise we'll be doing this for more than one generation that has talked about. right now as we speak the infrastructure has been built around the world for extremists to thrive you're seeing that come out in lot of different ways. the poking of the diversity of islam they are doing this in really real way so that young millennials don't know who they are, don't know how to look at hire heritage, absorbing a new kind of islam to represent who they are. all of this is going to have impact on our bottom line f. we take our eye off that ball, we're miking the forest through

the trees. >> schieffer: is there realistically any kind of coalition coming together here? >> there is on paper. and from are plans for muslim-led meet thanks will drive this point home. until you hear muslim leaders say what president obama said thursday at the state department, we are all the same boat together. all going to survive together. until you hear them say that forcefully you should be skeptical about the strategy. as soon as that message is coming loudly from our muslim leaders i'm going to think it's real. >> this is the problem. president was standing there alone not with the king of saudi arabia, not with the royal family of the united arab emirates. as long as they're not part of this discussion as long as they can continue to support extremism and with the other you are going to have a big problem. i agree with you entirely. >> i do think we're seeing a

turning point after the barbaric burning of the jordanian palace alive by isi lottery action spontaneous and real reaction across the gulf to say, this is not islam that we know this is not something we're willing to support, the courageous steps that the king of jordan has taken and many other voices starting to speak out. i actually think that is an important potential turning point. >> but a sustainability of that emotion. that's what i'm saying. everything has been uneven. and ad hoc. it has to be sustained and real. >> that's the problem, reaction was to the jordanian pilot not to the rise of isis or spread of isis. and you cannot rely on the enemy to dictate what our allies are going to do. this is matter of principle or not having a principle. and i worry about these countries a lot. >> schieffer: we have to stop there. thank you all very much for a

great discussion i'm going to talk to former president obama presidential advisor david axelrod when we come back. grandpa bode, grandma said you used to be out of control. really... i guess i did take some risks. anncr: bode, bode miller!!! trained a little bit differently. a little too honest sometimes. the media is useless. you were out of control. but not always.

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3 on "new york times" best seller list this week. it's a good book i think it's a valuable addition -- >> thank you. >> schieffer: to the document what this president is about. let me just ask you this why is there so much confusion now about what this president believes what he stands for. he has said himself he's not very good at the optics of all of this. but what's happened here? >> you know it's interesting, i always believe that the last president kind of sets the terms of the next election. the last president was a very guy, black and white. america wanted someone who saw the grey, who saw the nuances who understood the complexities of the world who made decisions that had -- think about the long term not just the next step. that is what they got in barack obama.

i don't know why there is confusion, i think that there is nuance and there is an ability to see grey which is really important in the world in which we live. that's true on foreign policy and national security, also true on domestic policy. >> schieffer: you know the criticism, you know what i'm talking about people say he presents problems in the abstract like a law professor i think that's what leon panetta said. more sometimes with logic rather than sometimes -- >> logic is underrated i think. i heard leon say that, i was really surprised because i was there, i saw this president make series of decisions about the economy, each of which were as unpopular as they were necessary. i write about that in my book. and was willing to do it because thought it was the right thing for the country. some folks in this town have hard time processing that he

took on health care. i and others told him that this is going to be a political quagmire for him but he felt it had to be done. i know chuck schumer and others say it was bad political decision. but that -- wasn't bad decision for the ten, 13 million people who have insurance today and others who will benefit in the future that's what he was thinking about. >> schieffer: do you think in retrospect that he went about it in the wrong way in the sense of lyndon johnson wrote the civil rights bill in to two bills the '64 and '65 civil rights. he just didn't think the country would swallow that much in one gulp. i think that was a wise decision. would he in retrospect, would you all have been better to break this in to two bills, find something that everybody could agree on pass that in to law? >> i think it's unlikely that the second piece would have happened. seven presidents have tried the

seven presidents have failed. and there wasn't any blueprint that would suggest there was easy way to do it. he had big majorities in the congress in the first term we tried to forge a bipartisan coalition, he wade six months to put that coalition together. i wrote about that, said he was allow olympia snow take an apartment in the white house. he just couldn't forge that, but i think that he did it the only way he could by going forward at once. >> schieffer: had such a hard time connecting with people on capitol hill not just one party but in both? >> you know, i think everybody's strength is their weakness, his strength is that he believes that there are more important things than winning elections. he thinks that when you get elected you're role is to try to get things done. that's not the prevailing view among a lot of folks in this town. i wrote in the book, right after the health care, talking to the

caucus about health care bill, democratic caucus we went back to the white house, he said, what are they so afraid of? i said i think they're afraid of losing their jobs. he said, what's the point of being up here for 30 years if you don't do anything? i said look, i think they want to do something but if it's a choice between that and being up here for 30 years they would rather be up here for 30 years. he hasn't really related to that. sometimes there's an air of moral superiority that creeps in because he feels like we have responsibility to do big things, why don't you see it the way i see it? >> schieffer: do you think hillary clinton is inevitable? >> inevitable is a very tough word. i actually think that's a trap -- i think she's highly likely to be the democratic nominee. i can't see another scenario but this is exactly what got her in trouble last time because with inevitability becomes caution she was unwilling to be venture some and be dealing with herself and really connecting with people. only after lost the iowa caucuses did we see that person

emerge, it's important for her to come out that way this time for her to be ultimately successful. >> schieffer: you really didn't want her in obama administration. >> i was wondering how this was going to work after two-year very pitched battle, the president had every confidence, he said she was a friend before and she'll be loyal and he felt like she -- he was going to be focus dollars on the economy, he needed somebody to be recognized in foreign capitals as the a team. what was one of the nice stories of the administration was the relationship they developed which was very respectful and very positive. >> schieffer: david axelrod we want to thank you. we also want to wish you a happy birthday. >> thank you. >> schieffer: i've got one next week. we'll be back. thank you very much. we'll be back to look at some of the weather lately and what it's doing to human behavior.

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this one: how cold was it? well, it was so cold most of lake michigan froze over. it was so cold that niagara falls froze. no reports of climbers there yet but they are climbing the waterfall in north carolina. it was so cold the harland city, kentucky police department suspected it was the work of queen elsa of arendelle. if you saw "frozen" you can get that then explain it to me. meantime it of the so cold in washington where cloudy skies can bring the city to a halt that temperature dropped five degrees coldest weather in 120 years here. that would have been a heat wave for the folks in embarrass minnesota, it was 41 below there that is actually a lake those guys are standing on. it was so cold the mayor of boston found it necessary to

urge people not to jump out of their windows. >> a foolish thing to do. and you can kill yourself. >> schieffer: if you wondered why he thought that warning necessary, yeah, it was so cold it made all of us a little crazy. back in a moment. [alarms blaring] ohhhhh... whoa whoa whoa! who's responsible for this?!? if something goes wrong, you find a scapegoat. ...rick. it's what you do. ahhhhhhhh! what'd you say? uh-oh! kelly! if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. rick. don't walk away from me. ahhhhhhhh!

>> schieffer: that's it for us today. thank you for watching "face the nation." and stay warm.

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