>> schieffer: i'm bob schieffer today on "face the nation" a devastating earthquake abroad and angry voices at home. rescue and recovery efforts are underway in the nepal earthquakes but after shocks continue as death toll rose to more than 2000. our holly williams has report from the screen. at home the protests got violent last night in baltimore over the death of ready grey who died in police custody. we'll hear from maryland congressman elijah cummings on that and we'll talk about the continuing incidence of police problems involving with two of new york city's top cop. commissioner bill bratton and his deputy john niller. plus a preview of the supreme court case that could settle the gay marriage debate. we'll hear from evan wolfson of

freedom to mary and family research council present tony perkins. all that and more because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning. the news overnight is staggering from nepal. more than 22,400 dead. thousands more injured after a 7.8 earthquake hit the country yesterday. the epicenter was just north of kathmandu in nepal's capital and largest city. the strong of aer is shocks in the region some as high as 6.7 are making rescue efforts more difficult. cbs news correspondent holly williams is there. >> good morning bob. it was just before noon here in the kathmandu valley yesterday when the earth began to shake violently. that continued for several minutes. burying people beneath their own homes and tearing up road in some areas. also demolished century's old

towers and temples in the historic city. rescue workers are picking through the rubble of buildings they are obviously hoping to find survivors but they're expecting to find more bodies. we may not know the final death toll here in nepal for several days to come. this is an impoverished country one of the world's poorest, will severely test the resources. the hospitals here are struggling to cope with the sheer number of injured people. there have been plenty of promises and international help, the airport was closed until this morning. i was driving through the center of the city as everywhere i went i saw people camping out on the street, some of them in the middle of the street. they are too terrified to stay at home, too terrified to be anywhere near a building.

after shocks are still assaulting the city, people fear that more buildings could collapse. after shock hit after i arrived in kathmandu this morning, i was inside the airport as the ground started to heave. light fixtures were swinging from the ceiling many people ran for the exits fearing another large quake. nepal sits high in the himalayas as you know it's also located on the edge of a tectonic plate. its prone to earthquakes, but this is biggest quake in over 80 years and some scientists said the country was overdue for a big one. the quake even triggered an avalanche on mt. everest where hundreds of climbers were there thought several people were killed. others were also killed as far away as china and bangladesh. bob. >> schieffer: any way to know how long these tremors are going to lost? is there any kind of use on that

coming in? >> we have no information on that but when there's a quake of this size, sometimes several days afterwards there are tremors, that was certainly the case a few years ago when that large quake hit off the coast of japan. >> schieffer: any kind of communication going on? how are people finding out about where to go or what to do? >> there's very little communication, internet is down across most of the city, the phones are only working sporadically. what i see happening is communities pulling together deciding to camp it on the street near their home or on sports grounds and really pulling together to make sure that they're fed they have shelter during the night. what they don't want to do is return home because they are so fearful that more buildings might collapse during after shocks. >> schieffer: we're all very proud of the job you're doing out there. but be very careful.

holly williams in nepal. thank you so much. joining is now by phone is in bangkok with united nations office of the coordination of humanitarian affairs. thank you for joining us. where do the relief efforts stand right now? >> teams are being mobilized international missions underway india sent in three very large military helicopters. other nations are planning to do the same. uae responding, european union will respond. what they're looking for now is shifting materials to start the search and rescue operations to get as many people out of the rubble as possible. to also clear dead bodies out of the way so that there will be -- the threat of disease outbreak.

>> at this point what is the most serious challenge that you face? >> it will be the weather is turning really bad with thunderstorms forecast for the next couple of days. nobody will be staying indoors because with the 7.8 magnitude earthquake people will be terrified to be indoors. it means that people will be exposed to the elements because there is no chance to set up, too soon after the event. terrible weather conditions. that will be -- that raises the possibility again of people becoming ill with infections, also then with water system being damaged, food system will have been damaged. the possibility of water borne diseases at this stage we're talking about life saving response making sure that people who have survived are

kept safe and can survive through next few days and weeks when teams will begin to move. >> of the united nations. we thank you and all the best in your effort. your effort. and here in the studio with us now is chris the senior director of emergency preparedness and response for the international medical corps a nonprofit relief agency. what is your organization doing now? >> our organization international medical corps is on the ground. we've reached the epicenter of the earthquake. we brought medical relief, treating patients and we're trying to assess the extent of the damage see how best we can mobilize resources. >> schieffer: what do you need and how can people help? >> first and foremost we need more resources on the ground need human resources doctors nurses pharmaceutical medical supplies, we need ability to bring clean water to the people that need it the most.

>> schieffer: how can people help? >> provide cash. cash can help us mobilize the supplies that we need. >> schieffer: what are your people there telling you about this? >> the extent of the damage is significant. needs are critical. we're still very much life saving mode. logistic tall challenges. roads are damaged, communications are down, finding out extent of the damage, number of people in need. casualty numbers unfortunately is only going to increase as we learn more and get farther out into the other communities. >> schieffer: these pictures we're seeing that holly williams is sending back to us, i'm not sure i've ever seen anything quite like this released on this scale. if people want to help what do they do? how do they get ahold of you? >> best thing they can do is provide cash donation so we can mobilize our resources through internationalmedicalcorps.org. >> thank you so much.

>> schieffer: thank you so much. >> schieffer: we'll have more on the earthquake as new information becomes available. but back home the protests in baltimore following the death of freddie grey who died last sunday from a spinal injury sustained while in police custody turned from peaceful to violent last night. tension rose following a march through downtown baltimore that grew thousands of people. after that protesters clashed with police officers, police car windows were smashed a convenience store was looted and some 1200 policemen were deployed to keep the peace. 12 arrests were made. and fans were kept inside the oriole ballpark in camden yards until things outside the stadium settled down. and we are joined now by congressman elijah cummings who represents baltimore.

congressman, this didn't happen in baltimore but happened in your neighborhood. >> in my neighborhood. >> schieffer: you were there last night. >> i was. >> schieffer: get us up to speed. >> we had situation where of course mr. gray died a week ago. i think the thing that upset so many people was the fact that he is a young man still don't know exactly why he was arrested we do know that he was hollering out for aid, he was not given aid after being arrested and we also know that he was not seat belted. next thing we knew a week later, bob, he was dead. a lot of people are very, very frustrated as to trying to figure out what happened here and is very upsetting. >> schieffer: you were there. >> yes. >> schieffer: what triggered this violence? this started out peacefully. >> i got to give it to the citizens of baltimore, i was there all day it was very peaceful all day thousands of people. then at the end there were a few people who said, we are going to

turn this city down, we're going to close it down. next thing you know we had few people, mainly from out of town to come to decide to beat up on police cars, throwing all kinds of projectiles. the fact is for the most part it was -- could have been worse. but again this whole police community relation situation, bob, is the civil rights cause far this generation, no doubt about it. this thing here, the cell phone with the camera this has caused a whole new situation where a lot of the police interaction with citizens is being recorded. that used to not be the case when we were growing up. >> schieffer: how did they get this stopped last night? >> basically what we did was to the credit of the police commissioner went on air and told people to go home. i went on the air asked people

to go home and tell people to e-mail and text their relatives that were down there, a lot of them left. and next thing you know, of course we have rain that came along, that helped. pretty much, then had lot of people in our community, i got to give credit to the people of baltimore, a lot of community leaders were in the crowd saying, this is our house we will protect our house. and asking people not to be violent, like i said it could have been worse. >> schieffer: one decision was made was to keep the fans who had gone to the ball game to see orioles play, made decision to keep them in there not let them out until this thing -- >> i thought that was a smart idea because there was quite a bit of confrontation right outside the stadium. for everybody's safety i think that was the appropriate thing to do. >> schieffer: are you satisfied with the way the chief of police and the mayor has handled this case? after all we're talking about

this breach between african americans and police departments. we're seeing it happen in other cities as well. >> i think they're doing the best that they can in the circumstances. we have determined, that is others of the delegation asked federal government, department of justice to come in take a look at our department from top to bottom. agree to do civil rights investigation, we feel good about that. we got to take this department apart and try to figure out what is wrong and what is right. this is a significant moment, bob, if we don't correct this now it will only get worse. >> schieffer: you just said this is the civil rights challenge of our time. >> no doubt about it. >> schieffer: &the police officers who have been suspended with pay is that okay with you? >> i believe in fairness.

as a lawyer, that's very important to me. but one of the things that we have, they move this investigation as fast as possible, make it as thorough as possible, my understanding, the mayor and the head of police will be bringing to our state's attorney information this coming friday then state's attorney will go from there. >> schieffer: are you satisfied at this point the way this investigation -- >> yes, i am. that the federal government is involved. >> schieffer: we want to thank you for joining us. i know this is tough time for you i expect you'll be going right back to baltimore when you leave here. >> that's exactly right. >> schieffer: we'll be back in one minute with two new york city's top cops for more on this and this whole situation across the nation.

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>> schieffer: with us now is new york city commissioner bill bratton and deputy commissioner john nill miller including being a former cbs news core accident welcome both of you. chief, this looks a whole lot like the case in your city. he of course is the man who died after the police put a chokehold on him. where are you on that internal investigation of that incident now? >> we have finished our investigation, the nypd but u.s. government, the u.s. attorney in brooklyn who is now attorney general for united states has asked us to put our investigation as federal government moves forward with the civil rights investigation. we're on stand by until they finish. >> schieffer: can you tell us anything about what you've learned so far from this investigation? >> well in our case, as you're

away the grand jury opted not to proceed with criminal indictments. we will be reviewing it for administrative policy procedure violations. where we are, we have finished our investigation move forward into our prosecution trial phase, but again that won't happen until the u.s. attorney stands down with their investigation. >> schieffer: john miller, you know we saw the relations between the police union and the mayor in your city really deteriorate when that case happened. what advice would you have for police departments across the country now as they're trying to deal with this thing? >> i think i would give very basic advice which is what we learned time and time again and lesson that we've taken in new york for many years don't -- create your relationships under

non-stressful situations. these crises each one represents an opportunity to build dialogue with the key community leaders. but the problem, if you try to develop those relationships after some terrible event has happened and you're behind the eight ball that's a problem. i think if anything, if there's something good that comes out of all of these, police chiefs across america have to be saying, let me do my outreach now, let me do more of it, let me do it better and let me have those relationships in place. when the phone rings at 3:00 in the morning if that is the night you're exchanging business cards you've lost already. >> if i may expand on that, ironically that we have these flash point incidents, but trending over time is that there's dramatic improvement in the situation in america with that improvement find out also seeing a significant fall off on police action, is that result in

arrests, for example. in 2009 there was something on order of 13.7 million arrests in this country. last year there were 11.3. fewer arrests reflecting the police of necessity don't have to be quite as action sieve in many of the communities in the country. using some of the good news, but each one of these events offers an opportunity to have more dialogue more discussion to use expression, for us to see each other better than we have in the past. >> schieffer: i mentioned the almost estrangement between the mayor and police union in new york, where are you on that? >> i think we're recovered from that, the union contracts with the exception of one union have in the been resolved. i think public sentiment really came behind the mayor as the event went forewad ward. i think the emotions have healed

somewhat in the city. that's helpful as we go forward with the engagements we're going to have to have with the community, the police and the mayor. >> schieffer: we've seen incident after incident are we just seeing this more or has there been an uptick. have relations between police departments and african americans really gotten worse? >> it's a fascinating question, there's a little chicken and egg about which came first. as crushary bratton, the contacts, arrests prison populations, everything, have been going down as crime is trending down. why does it look like we're having -- accommodation of couple of factors. one is now everybody has a camera so incidents that might have happened, once they're

recorded much of more of flash point than just story that wouldn't have ever left that particular city. other factor frankly is cable tv which between cell phone that captures the moments and fact that it's played endlessly over period of days until the next one, creates this false perception of increase of this. but as commissioner bratton said if the worst thing that happens from that is incidents get more scrutiny is the best thing that happens from that is that leads to increased dialogue, it's about a conversation. >> schieffer: as if there weren't enough news, we now have this new report that's emerged new threat from al qaeda against american military people somehow in this chatter that's being picked up california comes up, can either of you tell me anything about that?

>> i think that isis has clearly ramped up the encouragement of terrorist acts, and travelers that seek to return home, and they seek to inspire. some of those -- that of that has been directed very specifically at police and military we saw that turn into action where an individual madman attacked police officers with a hatchet severely injured one of them. >> schieffer: are you taking this seriously john? >> we certainly are. we sat through very detailed classified briefings on thursday, on friday we conferenced on the phone again saturday. but remember you have a drum beat of attacks or plots to have attacks in paris and london and australia. we arrested two women claiming to use a pressure cooker bomb that they were attempting to develop in new york city. so this is a little bit of the new normal. lot of chatter out there.

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>> schieffer: at this point you may be asking is there any good news today. yes, there is. and from a most unexpected place, capitol hill. as be as i can make out congress is actually done something, simple things. the senate finally confirmed loretta lynch after months of inexcusable delay. they broke a partisan deadlock on a human trafficking bill. republican house speaker john boehner and democratic leader nancy pelosi found way to prevent draconian cuts in the fees that medicare pays to doctors. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said early on there would be no government shutdowns

on his watch. so far he's making good on his promise, that is no small achievement. and he is opened up the process to allow democrats to offer amendments on key legislation. you might also ask, why are you congratulating them for doing what we pay them to do? i'm not. what's happening is by no means on the scale of an old testament miracle. but some progress is better than no progress and every journey begins with a first step. let's hope what we're seeing is the first of many steps needed to get washington back on track. it won't be easy. it never is. but this could be a start. maybe. back in a minute. plan

borrow we hoped to air interview with ohio governor john kasich but due to breaking news that interview will be available on our website and we'll be back with a lot more.

>> schieffer: welcome back to "face the nation." here is something you don't see very often in washington these people have been lining up all weekend in hope of getting a seat in the supreme court arguments scheduled for tuesday, this is case that could ultimately settle whether the right to marry someone of the same sex is constitutionally protected. we're going to hear from both sides, evan wolfson is the head of freedom to marry a group that lobbied for gays to marry he's in new york. but i'm going to start with probably the most spokal opponent of same-sex marriage that is tony perkins, he is the president of the family research council. i'm going to say this to you up front you and your group have been so strong in coming out against gay marriage that the southern poverty law center has

the anti-gay hate group. we have been in undated by people who not let you appear because they in their view, you don't speak for christians. do you think you have taken this too far? >> no. bob, we're -- first let me say thank you for allowing us to continue to have this discussion because i think it's a discussion that's going to continue on. regardless of what the court says. the court is not go fog settle this issue. in fact i think it does a disservice to both sides if the court weighs in on public policy like this. the courts are decided to interpret the constitution and the constitutionality of laws not create public policy. when they do that they create division and they erect barriers to reach consensus on public policy like this. so no. we stand with millennia of experience that the union of man and woman sacred union of marriage is cornerstone of

society. that's where kids learn to become citizens. >> schieffer: you said the other day i believe these are your wordsf the court rules in favor of gay marriage it would be open season on people of faith. how can you say that? >> i can say it very clearly. this is what is at stake here, bob. this is not about the marriage, fundamentally altering the culture just on friday a bakery in oregon was fined $135,000 for not refusing to serve gay people but simply saying, we cannot participate in a same-sex wedding because it violates our christian faith. $135,000. within hours about $100,000 was raised for this couple until gay activists demanded take down their site. >> schieffer: you know mr. perkins, in the two years since the court took up this issue, we now have surveys that show that six in ten americans now favor gay marriage.

that says to me this may be working, 37 states in the district now legalized same sex marriage, it is illegal in just seven states, doesn't that mean that people want this to be legal? >> no, first off, even the "washington post" said the numbers are based on how you ask the question. the nation really is evenly divided. and the narrative 37 states that works for those who want to say consensus is on the side of redefinition, you have to realize only voters in three of those states actually voted to allow the redefinition of marriage. the vast majority of the others it's been imposed on them by the courts. for those that would say there's a global consensus that's not true either. only 17 of the 193 member states of the united nations have redefined a marriage, only one, brazil, is the only nation that's allowed it to be done by the courts. the court will only super charge this issue as they did roe v.

wade. dob did you say that justice that woman down on the side of gays should be i am preached. >> i didn't say that. >> schieffer: there are reports to that affect. >> i didn't say that. >> schieffer: what did you say? >> i didn't say anything about impeachment of the judges. i say they're not the final say on this issue. in our system of government, the courts are not the final say on issues. for the courts to decide when something like this impose it on the nation, which the polling, even cbs's own polling says that the supreme court would impose this. r on the nation they think it's best left to the states. that is how we come to a consensus in this country. as abortion remains an issue 42 years later in every election from president on down, it will continue to be an issue, just as the major republican candidates last night in iowa made it an issue. >> schieffer: thank you very much mr. perkins. now we go to new york and evan

wolfson head of freedom to mary. you just heard what one of the main opponents to this says, what is your side of the story here? >> i would say that tony perkins is really an outlier and what should be celebrated here is that the vast majority of americans have opened their hearts and changed their minds and moved forward to embrace the freedom to mary and the courts are following where that public opinion has gone. the reason that's happened is because gay people and nongay people have talked about shared values of treating others as you'd want to be treated we've talked about our love, our commitment, real families not just stereotypes and insinew wakess and the american people have moved. that's to be sell operated that's why we feel such hope going into this day in court that we'll be having. >> schieffer: let me ask you this question. the polls do show six in ten americans do favor gay marriage now. but regardless of what you may think of tony perkins and his

group, there are some very sincere, thoughtful people that are on both sides of this issue. what do you say -- what is your message to the four in ten who do not favor gay marriage? >> you're absolutely right. not everybody opposed or not with us are somebody like tony perkins. there are people who still thinking it through. good news, people do think it through and they do move. i'm confident that these people will see what majority of americans have come to see that when we end discrimination, when we end exclusion, families are helped and no one is hurt. in the last week the williams institute, bob released a poll showing that in every single state where we brought the freedom to marry support has gone up. people hen they get a chance to see it for real and open their hearts and talk to their neighbors understand that civil rights advances like this are good. they're good for the community, they're good for the country good for the constitution and

certainly good for families. >> schieffer: what do you think has been the theme that has caused a lot of people to change their mind on this? >> the overwhelming engine of change is conversation. it's been gay people talking about love, talking about commitment, talking about why marriage matters, reality of our lives, talking how the exclusion and discrimination halls really harmed us intangible and tangible ways. it's also been nongay people being willing to be part of those conversations thinking about shared values. millions of conversations over many battles have led to this momentum. >> schieffer: go ahead, i'm sorry. >> i was going to say the fact that we've now seen more than federal courts, republican judges as well as democratic ruling in favor of the freedom to marry because the courts like country have come to understand that the command of the constitution does apply to gay people like other americans. >> schieffer: none of us who have ever had any experience in

sitting in a courtroom and watching a trial or whether it's at the lowest level or at the supreme court, knows better than trying to guess what the out come is going to be. but the opinion seems to be that the court is going to rule in your favor on this but i guess i would ask you this, what happens if they don't? >> well, actually 15 years ago today was the day i got to argue in the supreme court on the boy scout case. and one of the lessons i learned going into the court was count to five. when it comes down to in the supreme court is will we have five justices at least who are ready to rule for us and of course, we've done everything we can to make the case not only in the court but in the country, in the court of public opinion to create the climate for court to do the right thing. if the court doesn't do the right thing this time we will keep working, we will build on the progress we've made. we will continue engaging our fellow americans and continue strategy of winning more states and winning more hearts and minds go back before, if

necessary, another set of justices. but i'm very hopeful that this set of justices will see what all these other judges and what majority of americans have seen is time to end the free -- exclusion for marriage, time for the freedom to marry. >> schieffer: thank you again, mr. wolfson we'll come back with our panel of analysts they have all it is answers. so if you have a flat tire dead battery need a tow or lock your keys in the car, geico's emergency roadside assistance is there 24/7. oh dear, i got a flat tire. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!! well it's good... good for me. what do you think? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.

>> schieffer: back now with our panel. peter baker is white house correspondent for the "new york times" and last night he won the aldo beckman award for distinguished reporting at the white house correspondents' dinner, congratulations to you peter. he was a friend of mine. a great guy. ruth marcus, columnist for the "washington post" and cbs news political director john dickerson here getting used to getting up every sunday morning even the sunday morning after the white house correspondents' dinner. the truth of the matter is i may still be at the white house i'm not sure where i am this morning it's an amazing evening. town that generally goes to bed at 9:00 people stay out. ruth, just as you were sitting down here you told me something that i never knew, you went to school with evan wolfson who is heading up the right to marry.

>> i did. when -- we went to college and law school together. in law school he wrote his paper on the then fanciful outlandish subject of whether there was constitutional right to same sex marriage. this was viewed as so out there, it was hard to find faculty advisor he told me later. now i think you mentioned how difficult and dangerous it is to predict things how amazing is it that many, many years later i think we're not even that much about what the supreme court will do. seems almost inevitable. >> schieffer: is this -- will this still be an issue in the campaign? >> it depends what the ruling is. let's talk about it on the republican side where it's complex. you have all of the republican candidates running for president would like supreme court to uphold, both as matter of their

own faith and also matter of the way they see the constitution. i think politically speaking purely politically for republicans there's a challenge on the one hand they have the party some believe have image problem and that support or at least openness to same next marriage is part of the wave of the future and party needs to be somehow associated with that. particularly young republicans are very much in favor of same sex marriage. not older republicans. the tension of course group of people in the republican party for whom this is a fake question and sincere as you mentioned, matter of their belief. not just about redefining marriages but about values that are being destroyed by the culture that is group that republicans are trying to talk to as they make their case for the presidency that's where it will be interesting to see how that tension plays out. >> schieffer: so many of these would be republican candidates that are dancing around this issue, i don't mean that with any disrespect but they are -- those who say i'm

against same sex marriage but question of the month has been but would you go to a gay marriage? that seems to be the threshold question now. >> that question is strange seems to be restating the question of are you in favor of gay marriage. this tension that john mentioned not necessarily new. always had these different factions within the republican party, those who are fiscal conservatives or social conservatives you have these splits. i think one of the interesting things here is how is the court going to rule. doesn't want very much to be state's right. i don't think by the way that is still out of the realm of possibility. people are talking about anthony kennedy being the final deciding vote on this he has been sympathetic to gay marriage in past decisions. but also a big fan of states rights. there are two questions that the court is looking at, one is there constitutional right to this? second one is, is there the

14th amendment does it require states to recognize gay marriages from out of state. there is scenario you can see in which they ruled no on the first question, yes on the second. >> schieffer: i think this is going to be something no matter what the court rules we'll be talking about it just in the same way we talk about woman's right to choose and all of that. it's just a divide here. there are sincere people -- >> i don't think it's going to be the same royaling and really tearing apart society question that abortion has been since roe v. wade there are sincere differences on both of those issues but society remains split on right to abortion. i think for the reason that john mentioned because demographics are in favor of same sex marriage not going to be -- >> you also have to ask the question, i think maybe one of the reasons that this has played out better because courts have not been as aggressive. the states were making -- you

keep pointing out to the polls, america has got to to that position its own largely there. is an issue of whether or not if the court does impose something here you do end up in another row v. wade and that polarizes. >> the court set this up two years ago sort of the decision lower courts to decide i think that marriage had to be allowed over the voters who had passed these bans, 30-some states have same sex marriage not because of the action of democracy, not legislative action but lower courts that took the cue from the supreme court. set it up and coming back ratifying the decision that they made two years ago that was then interpreted by lower courts. >> without a huge societal backlash. i wanted to suggest two questions in addition to, would you go to same sex wedding question, one is, republican party platform in 2012 endorses

a constitutional ban on same sex marriage. is that the view of the republican candidates today. number two there are no job discrimination or housing discrimination protection in federal law on the basis of sexual orientation. do you think that is fair in 2016. >> let me just shift, excellent discussion on that. i wouldn't call this a bulletin matter but there is some news this morning on the clinton foundation front. the clinton foundation has put up a message saying yes we made mistakes as many organizations of our size do but we're acting quickly to remedy them and have taken steps to ensure they don't happen in the future. this obviously has to do with these donations that were coming in to the foundation from overseas groups and so forth. while hillary clinton was secretary of state and after.

peter? >> this is a big issue for hillary clinton. it goes back to some of the issues we've been seeing with the clintons in the '90s the interaction from money and politics. money and clintons in particular they have arguments about why they made some of this. they made some mistake on some of the others but broadly i think fits into a narrative she's going to have to work hard to shake which is they are so tied in with moneyed interest, people who have perhaps more than one motive giving to a philanthropy. the argument they would like to make about the koch brothers and funders on the right who are going to be obviously participating in the politics as well. i don't know where the voters go with this. be interesting to see how they settle this. >> schieffer: when they say me made some mistakes and we're going to correct them, kim what -- what do they need to do? >> the issue here, clinton push

back not shred of evidence that we did anything wrong. it's not about the evidence, the appearance of conflict of interest. everyone seems to understand this is a huge problem, other than the clintons. even the obama administration said you have to sign up for these disclosure rules because we understand that this is a problem. the clintons seem to think that the normal rules don't apply to them. >> schieffer: today they put out the statement that said, well yes, we did make mistakes. you think they should stop? >> they have. how can you have president of the united states who in any capacity is tied to foundation that is receiving money from corporations or foreign government, is that question of appearance of conflict not be present. >> schieffer: should they get back what they have gotten? >> yes. hard to unring that bell. despite a lot of slimy suggestiveness there is no evidence, i think it's important to say this of any kind of quid pro quo of official action in return for donations. number two this is a problem i

agree with what was said that is inherent in the nature of everything an ex president raising large amounts of money for a good cause while his wife is a the secretary of state. and, b a presidential candidate. this was going to be a problem from the get go. and c or three whatever i am, sorry, the notion of the sloppiness and the greed that follows on this sloppiness with failing to report donations or failing to get your tax returns right or failing to comply with the rules and greed in terms much taking donations from particularly questionable people is simply inexcusable. >> seems purely political question. voters have to figure out if there is no quid pro quo if there no money there is question of trust can the clintons be trusted to follow the rules and making some of their own rules that has to do not just with the foundation and whether they abided by the agreement with the obama administration but with the

e-mails as well. also in weird ways becomes a trust question when hillary clinton is presenting herself as van driving, chipotle eating, is that a $500,000 speaking fee? obviously not doing too terribly i have a friend used to making millions now living in a van in iowa. that vehicle highlights that very thing. >> the question is, trust downside for hillary clinton. voters will say who cares about me, on that question, she does very well. voters could very well find themselves in position where they don't trust her so much but understands her lives and compares about them and willing to forgive the one because they like the other. that seems be question to watch. >> schieffer: we'll be talking about this for a long time. issue that is not going away. certainly this is not what the clinton campaign at this point wanted to be talking about. we're going to come back, if i

can stay awake with some of the best moments from last night's white house correspondents' dinner. stay with us.

>> schieffer: last night was the an wall white house correspondents' dinner where washington politicians and the media mixed with hollywood. but it was president obama who stole the show. >> good evening, everybody. welcome to the white house correspondents' dinner the night when washington celebrates itself. somebody's got to do it. i have not managed to make everybody happy, six years in my presidency some people still say i'm arrogant and aloof, condescending. some people are so dumb. [ laughter ] that's not all people say about me. a few weeks ago dick cheney says "he thinks i'm the worst president of his lifetime." which is interesting because i think dick cheney is the worst

president of my lifetime. [ applause ] what a coincidence. it gets worse. just this week michelle bachmann actually predicted that i would bring about the biblical end of the day. now that's a legacy. that's big. lincoln, washington, they didn't do that. i just had to put this stuff aside, i have to stay focused on my job because for many americans, this is still a time of deep uncertainty. for example, i have one friend just few weeks ago she was making millions of dollars a year and she's now living out of a van in iowa.

>> schieffer: and we'll be back. just stay calm and move as quietly as possible. no sudden movements. google search: bodega beach house.

>> schieffer: thanks for joining us. we'll all be wide awake and back here next week for another "face the nation." thanks for joinness u. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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