captioning sponsored by cbs today on "face the nation", new reports about russia influencing the presidential election create a political firestorm. and sour relations between the president-elect and the intelligence community. president-elect donald trump took a break saturday afternoon to take in an all-american classic, the army navy game, but the news about russia took some of the attention off the field. >> >> but does he really? and will mr. trump join a bipartisan call for a larger investigation of russian efforts, we will talk to the senator leading the charge, john mccain and get his thoughts on the leading contender for secretary of state, rex tillerson, kellyanne conway will be here and vermont senator bernie sanders also joins us. then we will hear about efforts

to improve relations between the police and the community from south carolina senator tim scott. plus plenty of political analysis and some thoughts about an american hero who died last week. it is all ahead on "face the nation". good morning and welcome to "face the nation", i am john dickerson. new developments this morning, a bipartisan group of senators led by senator john mccain have called for an investigation into russian interference in the u.s. election. this after the "washington post" reported the cia had come to a new conclusion, that the russians were actively working to elect donald trump. mr. trump responded to the "washington post" report in an interview that aired on fox news sunday. >> it is ridiculous, i think it is another excuse. i don't believe it. i don't know why and i think it is just -- they talked about all sorts of things, every week it is another excuse. we had a massive landslide victory as you know in the

electoral college, i guess final numbers are now at 306 and she is down to a very low number. no. i don't believe that at all. >> dickerson: and we begin this morning with senator john mccain. >> senator mccain, you want an investigation, a bipartisan investigation, the president-elect says that this notion of russia trying to be involved in the election is ridiculous. >> what do you make of this disconnect? >> i don't know what to make of it, because it is clear the russians interfered. now, whether they intended to interfere to the degree that they were trying to elect a certain candidate, i think that is subject to investigation. but the facts are stubborn things, they did hack into this campaign and they did it, i think, with some -- with at least what seemed to be effective, sort of every week or so there was new information, and were they hacking the republicans the same way? the republican national committee? and if so, why didn't they --

there is a whole lot of issues out there. it requires an investigation. the president is ordering an investigation, you are not going to find this all out in the next month between the administrations, it is fine with me if he starts an investigation, but it is going to require congressional involvement, it is going to require in-depth and -- by the way, the russians have interfered in a lot of other elections, the russians have hacked into some of our most secret military information. the russians have been active using as a tool as part of vladimir putin's am goings regain russian prominence and dominance in some parts of the world. >> so your point is there are specific evidence that points you to this conclusion and then there is a broader pattern of the behavior the russians have been a part of. >> and they have hacked, they have, in case of the country called estonia they tried to shut down their economy for a while.

they have intervened -- here is a fundamental fact that when they get, will get to this later on, vladimir putin is a thug and murderer and a killer and the kgb agent, he had -- murdered in the shadow of the kremlin. he is dismembered the ukraine, he has now precision strikes by russian aircraft on hospitals in a, aleppo let's call vladimir putin for what he is, does that mean you don't talk to him? of course you talk a too him but you do it the same way ronald reagan did and that's from a position of strength and by the way the congress of the united states is not acting very responsibly on that issue, which is the subject of another encounter with us. >> dickerson: based on what you heard president-elect say about russia, he doesn't seem to share your view of russia and speaking about it plainly, if speaking about it plainly is the starting position in your case then what do you say to the president-elect about his view

of russia? >> i say i hope that he will listen to people like general mad discuss, for example, there is a point he too the secretary of defense, the i hope that he would call people that he respects and who the american people respect and get the facts .. the facts are there about russian behavior, and russian -- not just hacking into the united states in the 2016 election campaign but throughout the world. vladimir putin and the chinese, by the way, and other world states view cyber as a form of war fare and by the way, according to testimony of our chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and others, that's the area, cyber, that we are not ahead, do not have an advantage over our adversaries, nor by the way buzz the obama administration have a policy or a strategy in this whole issue of cyber war fare. >> dickerson: in terms of this investigation into russian efforts with the election, do

you want, just a regular old through the senate investigation? do you want a special commission? a committee? >> i would like in an ideal world to have a select committee. >> dickerson: why is that important? slain it to people. >> i -- that would be either a senate -- the leaders of intelligence committee, foreign relations, and armed services, obviously, but that takes a long time, it takes a lot of negotiating, et cetera, so armed services committee, we work very closely with richard burr, with senator cardin and senator corker, we work closely together. but what we are going to do in the meantime is going to have a subcommittee on the armed services committee, we are going to ask senator lindsay gram who is as smart as anybody on this issue to be the the chair along with a really smart democrat .. and whether he go to work on it. we will go to work immediately, because the issue of sign search not a static issue. >> dickerson: but on this question of the election you are trying to -- you say you want it

to be bipartisan. this is basically cooked up by the democrats. how do you squeeze the politics out of this? >> because i am confident, chuck schumer and the statement we made this morning, chuck schumer said we would be working in a bipartisan basis. you can't make this issue partisan. it is just -- it is too important. a fundamental of a democracy is a free and fair election. and again i am saying, they are doing this in other countries, not just this one, so i >> dickerson: you are headed to the balkans with senator lindsey graham to do what? >> the message is that we will not abandon them, we understand the challenges that they face. we understand the cyber attacks. we understand the threats and the bullying of vladimir putin, and we are a government that has a role to play for the congress of the united states as well as the president and so -- >> dickerson: are they more

worried about it because of their, the president's a president elect's position on fr secretary of state, rex tillerson, what is your view? >> i don't know him. i believe that we should give every nominee of the president of the united states a fair hearing because that is the result of elections and elections have consequences. but i just -- described my view of had lad and i think it is correct. >> dickerson: and he has ties to him. >> maybe those ties are strictly commercial and have got to do with his business in the oil business, fine. but we will give him a fair hearing, but is ate matter of concern? certainly it should be a matter of concern, but i am sure, in a bipartisan way he will get a fair hearing. >> dickerson: but if it is a fair concern play it out for people. >> it is a matter of concern that he he has such a close personal relationship with vladimir putin, and obviously they have done enormous deals together, that that would color

his approach to vladimir putin and the russian threat. but that is a matter of concern. we will give him his chance. that's what the confirmation process, that is what advise, advice and concept is all about. >> dickerson: senator john mccain, thanks so much for coming with us. we turn to kellyanne conway, sr. advisor to president-elect trump,? he is in philadelphia this morning, good morning, kellyanne conway. will. >> good morning, john. >> will they support a congressional investigation into russia being involved in the election? >> the president-elect will not interfere in the legislative branch in that way. but he has made it very clear in an interview with a different network, john, that he feels, a, there is a great deal of confusion, no on source -- no on the record sources coming to a very bright line conclusion about what happened here. and that he thinks that people are trying to religate the election, people like senator mccain say he has an interest in making sure that a foreign

government hasn't tried to interfere with our electoral process and i respect him enormously for saying that but there are others who aren't so high-minded about cyber security, there is the latest attempt, first jim connolly's fault and then we are going to have a recount and then now it is russia, russian interference and i will tell you there does seem to be a lack of certainty among some of these agencies, no on the source person, maybe that's why congressional investigations are at hand. >> dickerson: right. so i guess that is the question. since there is confusion, you said mr. trump won't get in the way of the executive branch. will he cooperate to the extent it is ever required with these investigations, bipartisan now that have been called for, to look into whether russia was involved? >> and how are you characterizing his cooperation? >> dickerson: well, i don't know where the investigation will lead but in terms of people engaging how seriously the president-elect takes this notion, leaving politics out of it because you now have senators on the republican and the democratic side saying this is worth looking into if for no

other reason than to clear up the confusion, does mr. trump in the spirit of that want to cooperate with stump an investigation? >> john, he has made very clear how he views this. i mean we don't want anybody, any foreign -- >> dickerson: he said it is ridiculous. that seems to be pretty critical of the idea it is worth looking into. >> but let's be fair to him. what president-elect trump said is ridiculous is this idea that it was meant to help him become president of the united states. so there is no evidence of that. and if you go back and you listen to clinton campaign spokespeople on your program and others if you listen to the private briefings to media and others, they said very little about this. they were talking about -- they were talking about how they were going to win the election before election day because of the early voting. they were going to have record turnout, if that were true they would have won, and the president-elect's point is that the conclusion all are making, some are making here that the interference went to affecting the relation, election results to defeat election is what he is

calling ridiculous and let me point out because it got muddied here a little bit, the rnc has a great source in its chairman reince priebus who is the incoming chief of staff, he has denied again and again and again that the rnc was hacked. they obviously -- got with the fbi -- >> dickerson: on that track -- can i just keep us on the rails here for adjust second because we are not really talking about the rnc at the moment. on this question of intelligence here, not talking about the election but what bipartisan senators have now called for is what i am trying to figure out here. mr. trump has had several briefings as a candidate and now as president-elect, what is his feeling about the intelligence community? >> he answered that question i think you are going to show a clip later, i saw it in the beginning of your program, john, where he was asked, do you have faith in the intelligence community and he said i do. so there is your answer from him. he appreciate it is briefings so let me make very clear, even me as a close advisor and many others with whom he will be speaking about this, do not have access to those top secret

briefings, we don't have that type of clearance nor should we, so he needs to not -- he is not divulging the information that he has nor should he. >> dickerson: sure. the reason i ask -- >> i want to make that clear. i feel compelled to back up a second. in light of what is being concluded and not evidence and proved by individuals, pundits and otherwise, john, it does center on the -- it does center on the fact is false that the rnc and dnc were both hacked. >> dickerson: but i am just trying to get a sense of the new president-elect's views about the intelligence community which doesn't have to do with that at the moment. the reason i ask he has had a lot of intelligence briefings and when asked about this question, which is coming from the intelligence community he said that -- he said it was a laughing point, in other words, the notion that the russians were involved, and the action was laughable, i am wondering how he can respect the intelligence community and something they are telling him is laughable, that seems to be a disconnect. >> it is completely compatible.

he absolutely respect it is intelligence community, he made very clear he will put his own people in there as well. what he has said is laughable and ridiculous is this entire notion which people are just using as a foregone conclusion that somehow this was meant to defeat hillary clinton and elevate him to the presidency. it is not -- it is not -- it is untrue and unfair, it is untrue so far and unfair because of what he also fold a different network, john, which is, look, this was -- this was a significant victory. he got 306 electoral votes and the people, people are trying to undercut the election votes is false, the recount, vilifying jim comey and everybody's false but pk hillary clinton. >> dickerson: what i am hearing you say is he is really questioning this specific claim, but if that is the case then why does the transition team put out this same that said these are the same people that said saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction. referring to the intelligence community. that's not a criticism of this specific finding, that is taking

their worst moment in the last 15 years and defining the entire intelligence community by that. why would he take a swing like that at these people he now has to work with? >> the question is why are people taking this specific allegation, which still has confusion among the agencies, no on the source record, unnamed -- in the "washington post", that is not -- you can't take that -- >> dickerson:. >> conclusion about it. >> dickerson: it is a totally valid point then why respond to it by saying let's go back 15 years and talk about the worst part of your record in the intelligence community and remind everybody about that? it seems disproportionate, he everything you say is right, i believe, why believe rumors but why in response to these allegations in the paper take a swing like that at the entire intelligence community? >> it is proportionate, john, the criticism, the naysayers, the election defires/flyers, that's what, that is what is disproportionate that a is not you and your colleagues here but that is many people right now and i tell you, it is very unfortunate, it is very unfair.

this is a democracy that deserves a peaceful transition, the election was five weeks ago, practically, and you have people trying to relitigate it now through this instance with allegations, frankly. and, you know, if your, if you are team trump you are accustomed to in but i say take the clues from president obama himself, who has not just congratulated donald trump as the new president but conceded to him and he and his advisors made clear to all of us including the president-elect and vice president elect they are there to support this peaceful transition in the democracy and i just believe unfounded allegations like this really undercut that. >> dickerson: kellyanne conway question appreciate you being with us, thank you so much. >> thank you, john. >> and now joining us from birmingham, vermont is senator bernie sanders, senator sanders i want to start with you on this question of russian interference in the election, what do you make of it? >> well, everything in the intelligence agencies are saying that happened, when you have john mccain, when you have democrats, when you have a

bipartisan effort saying we need an investigation, because this is very serious stuff, i think we go forward. but i don't want to go backwards, i think we have to go forward and we have to take a hard look at the role the russians played in this election process. we will see where the investigation goes, but for donald trump, to dismiss all of this makes no sense to me at all. but, john, i will tell you what my major concern is right now, what i am hearing from people all over vermont and all over this country is during the campaign, mr. trump made some promises. and what people want to know is if he is going to keep the campaign promises he made. he said, i donald trump am not going to cut social security and not going to cut medicare i am a not going to cut medicaid and yet we are seeing republicans in the congress coming forward with devastating plans to cut social security, to cut medicare and i challenge mr. trump today, tell the american people you going to keep your campaign promises, tell the republicans to back off, no cuts for social security, medicare, medicaid and

go forward with your campaign promise to lower the cost of prescription drugs. >> dickerson: these promises, or these ideas that are being floated by republicans as you point out are not being -- are not coming from donald trump himself. you still give him the benefit of the doubt on that? >> well, but i think it is important when you are, appointment somebody like congressman price to be head of health & human services agency, who has spent his career in trying to cut or privatize medicare, that is not a good signal to send. so i think all that mr. trump has got to do today is tell his republican colleagues in the house and the senate, back off, it ain't going to go anywhere, i will veto any legislation that will cut social security because i promised the american people that i would not do that. look, we are people watching in program right now and have disabled veterans watching this program right now, they are trying to get by on 12, $13,000 a year in social security. and they are frightened about cuts to social security.

my view is, we have got to expand social security benefits by lifting the cap on taxable income, if we do that we can extend social security for 50 years, only the top one and a half percent of people in this country will pay more in taxes. that's the right thing to do. but at the very least, president-elect trump has got to reassure the american people he is going to keep his promises. >> dickerson: all right, senator we are just going to take a quick break and be right back in a minute with more hey there, hi. why do people have eyebrows? why do people put milk on cereal? oh, are you reading why people put milk on cereal? why does your tummy go "grumbily, grumbily, grumbily"? why is it all (mimics a stomach grumble) no more questions for you! ooph, that milk in your cereal was messing with you, wasn't it? yeah, happens to more people than you think... try lactaid, it's real milk, without that annoying lactose. good, right? mmm, yeah. i got your back. lactaid. it's the milk that doesn't mess with you.

>> dickerson: and we are back with senator bernie sanders. senator, just going back on this russian question quickly before we move on, i just want to get a sense from you, do you think the congressional investigation is sufficient or is that -- do you have any other thoughts about how these reports should be responded to? >> well, i think first of all, you need to get the facts and i think that is what a bipartisan investigation should do, and once we get the facts i think we two forward but the word has to go out to russia, any other

country on earth we are going to protect our democracy, the cyber security is very, very dangerous stuff and whether he not tolerate other countries interfering with in the democratic process in this country. >> dickerson: you have some issues, although we just talked about this on social security where you disagree with the republican, some issues where you could work with donald trump, we talked about this before. have they ever reached out to you? they reached out to some democrats, the president-elect, al gore, the president. >> well, they reached out to al gore, because obviously the former vice president has played an enormously important role in educating the american people about the planetary crisis of climate change but i will tell you, to answer your question, though they have not reached out to me. i am glad they reached out to gore but apparently they are not hearing what gore had to say. on the debate on climate change is over, climate change is real, it is caused by human activity and already causing devastating problems. it is beyond my comprehension it really is when the entire planet

is struggling to cut carbon emissions that mr. trump would appoint somebody to be head of the epa who is a denier. it is too late for that and the american people in have to take matters into their own hands and demand and in their own ways state by state transform their energy system away from fossil fuel. >> dickerson: let me ask you about that, those selections that donald trump has made to his, they go through, those that go through the senate you supported the so-called nuclear option which means those nomination accounts not be blocked by a filibuster, do you regret having supported the nuclear option? >> no, i don't. but we did that because we, the republicans were denying, obstructing president obama in every way, making it impossible to appoint federal judges, district judges, and really paralyzing the judiciary branch, many, many people there were not just getting the hearings they needed. we had to move forward. but right now, what concerns me

very much is it looks like we have a cabinet of billionaires, i guess they have a few poor millionaires on it but mostly it is billionaires, and this is coming from a candidate for president, mr. trump who told us he was going to take on the establishment, well, maybe i am not seeing something here but if you don't appoint the head of exxon mobil to be secretary of state, that is not quite taking on the establishment. you don't appoint a cabinet of billionaires to take on the establishment. so we will see how the hearings proceed, but i think there are a lot of very important questions that will have to be asked of these companies. >> dickerson: without the filibuster there is not much democrats can do in the senate. >> we can expose, if somebody comes forward who tells us that climate change is not real, and wants to be head of the epa, we can bring in all of the scientific evidence all over this world to contradict that person and what the american people make, and let the

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>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation". i am john dickerson. joining us now for our political panel we have michael jackson duffy, deputy managing editor of the "time" magazine, this year's "time" magazine person of the year is donald trump. jamelle bouie is a cbs news political analyst and chief political correspondent at slate, i willly is national politics reporter for the washington press, michael duffy, let's start with russia and the election. what do you make of it? and what do you make of donald trump's response to the intelligence community? let's start there. i think there are, it is a shock and important not to overreact or underreact to either of them. the facts on the ground that the intelligence community has concluded that russia tried to turn the election to donald trump is deeply disturbing, it means that russia attacked the united states. and an investigation, a bipartisan investigation under some banners, john mccain said is inevitable now, but the

second shock is donald trump's reaction, he seems to be implying or suggesting the both in his tweets and his comments that he is not really interested in what happened during the election, he doesn't think whatever happened should affect the u.s. russia relations going forward and he has drawn a fairly dark cloud over his relationship with the intelligence community on whom he will rely and need as president and need to be successful as president. so i think sweeping this stuff under the rug as a first reaction might be at his own ferrell, jamelle, as he points out the distinction on the cia and a what they found, we heard about russian involvement potentially while the election was going on but what seems to be new is it was tarted to help donald trump. that seems to be the new development that just -- the. >> exactly. we sort of had to acknowledge and suspicion that the russian government has been involved in, you know, helping leak documents and engaging in in election interference that way but that is different, that is materially

different than the suggestion hey they were doing this specifically toely sure, beyond investigations, beyond sort of serious scrutiny of this what we do about this, because it really is unprecedented, and if it is true, if we -- if we have further verification of this, then what it suggests potentially is that the election was in some sense ill legit and i don't know where you go from there, ill legitimate, if you take that as a conclusion .. then that takes you somewhere more than an investigation. that kind of stops the presses or stops the process. is anybody calling for that yet? >> nobody is calling for that, of course that is donald trump's number one fear is that this will destroy the sweeping mandate he believes he has, of course he does not have that since -- unlike what he claimed yet again it was a very tight race and hillary clinton won the popular vote by a large margin. but that doesn't mean you don't look into this. look, fair and free elections are the fundamental underpinning

of american democracy, we live in this this conspiracy era age as we saw are the proliferation of fake news over the election, you are playing a dangerous game if you start having voters and the electorate lose confidence in the integrity of our election. so it is really important to investigate this, whether it changes a the outcome or not, and hillary clinton's team did a really extensive investigation of whether there was any systemic manipulation of results from russians or otherwise and they found that a the answer was no. so her team is even saying that this could have potentially, you know, the election was rigged or something like that, but, you know, the investigation has to happen regardless. >> dickerson: michael gerson, as michael duffy was saying, presidents get in fights with their cia or with their intelligence communities -- >> they will lose. i can't think of an instance where a white house and the cia got into a conflict with the, where the cia did not win. through leaks and other things. i mean, that is the history of this. but even more importantly,, you know, we face such a variety of

threats right now, whether china in the south china stay or if it is north korea nukes or it is threats for russia to the balance tick states. we need a good relationship between the intelligence community and the president, and the people i talk to in the intelligence community about this were most offended by the ad hominem nature of this attack, 3 felt, i feel like, you know, he is attacking little marco or lying ted, okay? that's the way he is treating his intelligence community. >> and, you know, i think this is also really interesting moment for domestic politics, donald trump is really putting his own party in an impossible position. either they go against their incoming 43 who has shown a propensity as you point out for these ad hominem attacks or go against voters, a majority of which don't trust russia and, you know, significant portion of which would like to see a tougher line against russia. so, you know, i think part of what john mccain is saying, giving the rest of the party cover by calling for these

investigations, but it is not an easy way to start that relationship. >> obviously one of the things about where we are going here in terms of an investigation and in terms of future events, regardless of what happened already, we know from the campaign, john, that the democratic e-mails were vacuumed up and leaked, we don't know exactly how much was vacuumed up from the republican e-mails but we now know from the intelligence, reports from the intelligence committee they got republican e-mails which means someone, they have is the true and of course the rnc denied this but if it is true and stands to reason it may be true, then someone in moscow or in russia is holding on to all of those e-mails and those affect not hillary clinton, but donald trump presumably as he accepts into the role of real estate. so whatever, role of president, whatever force in russia that is in control of this information or now stands a in a position to comert some leverage if it is true over the future president. >> it is worth saying we have very little information on donald trump's financial ties on sort of his business dealings globally, so it is entirely

possible in addition to that information there are reams of information about trump's relationship with financial interests in russia that russia is completely blind to and opaque to. s it is not clear that putin loves donald trump, with eno he did not like hillary clinton, right? and that's an important distinction, you know, he certainly could turn on trump and the republicans just as quickly if it was in his interests. >> dickerson: and just do help those who may not have been following along "the new york times" reported that the e-mails have been hacked at the republican committee, the trump campaign and the rnc are pushing very much against that. kellyanne conway was trying to bring that up, i was focused more on, you know, points a and b, but they dispute that in the, that "new york times" claim. >> i would dispute it too but -- but i think it is potentially quite a bit lever if the evidence takes us in that direction, i think it is something we are all looking for as the next step in this investigation. >> dickerson: right. so michael gerson, let's switch a little bit to the trump -- the picks, the cabinet picks he made. let's is that right with the secretary of state, rex

tillerson, ceo of exxon is in the mix, maybe although now donald trump has tweeted today and he said the following. whether i choose him, this is tillerson or not for state, rex tillerson chairman and ceo of exxon mobil is a world class player and deal maker, period. stay tuned, exclamation point. the secretary of state pick has been a bouncing ball that kind of has been interesting to follow. what do you make of this? >> i feel bad for tillerson in a certain way because he comes into this context, sea very competent guy and respected business leader, but in the midst of all of this, his views on russia are going to get hyperscrutiny, and, you know, russia wants one thing, more than anything else which is to get rid of the sanctions without changing their behavior. okay? and, you know, tillerson has opposed sanctions in the past as a, has a history of opposes sanctions so he is going to be put in this context. he seems like a qualified man to me, though some people are going

to say it is a payoff for services rendered. >> dickerson: lisa, do you think there is a trial balloon aspect to this, donald trump saying whether i choose him or not -- this sort of has been the fourth or fifth name for secretary of state. is this trial by sort of response and then he will make another choice? >> well the gross has been remark to believe watch and one of the most striking things to me has been the, just the vast policy differences between people whose names are being considered, so you have tillerson who of course opposes sanctions and one friendship medal there russia and romney in 2012 people didn't get enough credit for calling russia the biggest geopolitical threat this feels like who is going to get the rose. it is a personality contest, clearly that is what donald trump he likes executives he like people who have a big presence he says, he wants someone who looks the part. so that has been really interesting and i think it gives us some insight into how donald trump is going to make decisions and what we can expect.

>> janelle, what do you make of the other choices donald trump has made or not made? there have been all kinds of people going by the cameras at trump tower, some of them get jobs and some of them like al gore are there, we are not sure for what reason. [laughter.]. >> dickerson:. >> the reason i say that is donald trump's pick for the epa, scott pruitt is an opponent of epa, trump says he wants to dismantle the epa, do we have a situation in which department heads are being asked to go in and basically take apart their departments? >> i think we may. this is not just true of trump's pick for the epa but the labor department .. for to the department of education, you have picks that seem to be opposed to the missions of those agencies. i cannot recall the name of trump's pick for the labor department at this moment but he is a long time opponent of raising minimum wages and long-term opponent of unitization and long-term opponent of basically anything workers can do to organize themselves and sort of advocate

for themselves. and that is a very odd choice to have for a department that has jurisdiction over say the national labor relations department. >> dickerson: the nominee -- >> no question this is setting up the closest cabinet or government, executive branch with the closest relationship between government and business, at least since ronald reagan and maybe since eisenhower, but i was just going to say that in a race that was about outsiders versus insiders, versus elites and nonelites this is a group of consummate insiders two, governorrers aful a dozen ceos, goldman stack representatives and trump gave an amazing quote yesterday where he said remember, i want people who made a fortune, because he believes that people with money negotiate from strength, which is interesting in a public service or government job because you trii, think the strength they negotiate from is the will of the people, consent of the governed but he wants that added piece, which is he doesn't just want that he wants something else. >> i think there is a fallacy there too about business leaders

and military leaders, their habits of command their approach to govern asking transfer to govern,ing, governing, sometimes we know if the person who built up the world wrestling federation can run the sba, small business administration. >> but we will find out. >> the bureaucrats get the best work out of them you have to come up with policy ideas, in the state of union there are a bunch of skills that you don't find an exact overlap. >> for a guy that promised to drain the swamp, it is awfully, awfully murky in washington these days and, you know, it is not just the business leaders it is of course the donors, incoming head of the fda gave $7 million to trump's super pac a third of all of the money that that super pac collected. so you do wonder, is there a certain point at which his supporters, he ran on this very popular message this isn't what we bargainin bargains for. >> and specifically said he wouldn't have big donors or lobbyist in his administration and he went back on that. >> this gets to the nature of trump's pop level, right now it

is populism .. it is elites as agents of immigration, it is elites as agents of tolerating black protesters, it is elites as they relate to nonwhite sox in america, but i have a suspicion as long as trump continues to cast elitism as being somehow racial that elite thism is a function of tolerating foreign elements in the united states, they are not, he is not going to care who he appoints the cabinet agency it is. >> one thing that you newts was a republicans, mcconnell, ryan, trump is undoing the obama legacy, i think that is battle a lot of these appointments are about that, he wants to undo the regulatory approach, undo executive orders, in fact, there has been a process to review under the federal society a bunch of executive orders, on day one to revoke them, soy do think that is kind of a unifying goal. we don't know what he wants to do in a bunch of different areas but that is pretty common between the republicans. >> dickerson: all right. we are going to have to end it

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>> dickerson: last week, a mistrial was declared in the shooting death of a black man, walter scott, by a white police officer in south carolina. it also marked the beginning of the trial of dillon roof, who admits killing nine in a shooting rampage at the mother emmanuel church in charleston. both incidents have put a painful focus on race relations

in the state, which we talked about with south carolina senator tim scott. >> donald trump for president saying i will be the law and order president. how does that come across in the community? >> a lot of people define it differently, law and order. i see law and order as a good constructive part of what makes a community safer, my approach and my perspective is that a law and order type of environment will be conducive for a higher quality of life and see more folks hopefully out in the streets enjoying their neighbors, neighborhoods that you have in the past and have more law enforcement officers, appreciated in the community by spending time getting to know those communities when there is no incident that comes to investigate so i am fairly optimistic of that concept of law and order. >> dickerson: what some people heard with law and order a force first kind of escalation of fear about the community, about the inner cities. and some people believe that creates a state of fear that works against all of the work you have been doing to try to

create ever a empathy. >> i would hope not and certainly people hear different things when they their law and order, what i hope we do overtime is we will see that progress has not been stymied under a trump administration but we will see it has prospered, we are going to have to be very careful on what we do and what we say, and the circumstances, so as to make, bring people together and not seau seeds that are poisonous. >> donald trump knows how to do a good show we saw it with carrier and not only protected jobs but sent a message to working people, all across the country. what could he do on these sets of issues having to do with community relationships with police that would have that kind of, that same a kind of mental sending capability? >> one of the fastest things he would do that would bring about great change is embrace our opportunity that we have been working on for the last three or four years, it starts with understanding that every zip code in this country needs quality education, that there is not inequality, there is a

quality school in your neighborhood, we need to make sure there is one charter schools or magnet schools or private schools, realize that every student does not want to go to college so having a goal track of education, you are too young to remember shop. >> i took shop. >> and now we know you can go on face nation if you take shop that. is great. >> and having that shop track is a really important part of traditional programs something i believe that donald trump will focus on as president. >> dickerson: is there something you can say that would be symbolic that would kind of extend the strong signals with a with the carrier operation? >> obviously, spending time with perhaps something you do that doesn't require legislation, it is how you use your time. we are intentional about using my time in a way that says to the community that perhaps if you are disenfranchised from the conservative moment we care there, we spend time there, we listen, we look for solutions first. if donald trump will take the time and spend some time in cleveland and detroit and in

charleston and other places, i think he will find that people are receptive to the person who vests their time, energy and their talents into solving problems. >> dickerson: you gave a speech back in july after the shootings in baton rouge and in dallas, and you talked about while there are so many officers that do good you had experience and seen those that did not. >> in the course of one year, i have been stopped seven times by law enforcement officers. not four, not five, not six. but seven times. in one year as an elected official. i have felt the anger, the frustration, the sadness and the humiliation that comes with feeling like you are being targeted for not being more than being just yourself. >> dickerson: what has been the reaction to that speech since then? >> i think it has opened the

eyes to a lot of folks who perhaps have listened to the cries and the screams and the shouts of others, and disregarded those. i think perhaps my speaking out on the issue has validated the concerns of many african-american males who have gone through similar situations but it has says to others on the other side perhaps there is some validity to the issue and we should take a second look. >> dickerson: the conversation of race, and particularly where policing gets involved gets hot pretty fast. >> absolutely. >> dickerson: how bad has the puck barb been. >> some folks believe, very aggressive, no question about -- you either do the right thing for the right reasons or you don't. speaking out on something that is real is the right thing. folks who believe i am feeding into a narrative, that is their problem, not mine, so i am comfortable with where i am. it is not necessarily a comfortable ride and journey but a necessary journey. the good news is proportionate speaking the response has been tremendously positive. >> dickerson: the story you

are trying to tell goes back to this idea of empathy, understanding that there are two views here. >> that's something i try to explain to both sides, seek first to understand, and then to be understood. differently, even those folks who, to be blunt, the community leaders need to spend time riding along with officers, you need to understand and appreciate the milliseconds you may have in making decisions. you need to walk in those shoes for a little while and by the sake token i encourage and types aggressively encourage spend some time in the neighborhoods. i grew up in many of those neighborhoods. i was a poor kid in a single parent household living in a very small house. i understand the pain and the suffering, and the frustration. you have to know the people that you are responsible or placed in charge of. >> dickerson: there are a lot of people who feel not only that donald trump doesn't represent them, but people of color who believe that he actively played

on fears in the african-american community, in basically in played on fears to get elected. how do you bridge that gap? >> anyone who watched this election and did not see the fear on the part of both sides of the aisle missed the election. i think we would have the same conversation had hillary won, by the way, just perhaps a different perspective but the same kind of fear and frustration. so when i say to folks, let's give mr. trump a chance, gauge his progress in his administration by what he does, and i am going to hold him accountable like every single american should hold all of our presidents accountable. >> dickerson: charles -- tough couple of years -- >> absolutely. >> dickerson: walter scott and the mother emmanuel church, where are things now? >> these are sensitive types. there are levels of frustration, without any question. there is a lot of hope though, in the african-american and white pastors coming together, asking our community to show the

same type of resolve that we did after the walter scott shooting, after the mother emmanuel shooting. we are one cohesive charleston family and we say we are charleston strong, so the goal is to remain a confident in the judicial process. i am confident that the justice will be cone. >> dickerson: all right. senator scott, thanks so much. >> yes, sir. >> dickerson: look look forward to talking with you again. welcome to cbs this morning. we have a team of correspondents covering this unfolding story. a story you will only see on cbs this morning. all that matters from cbs in morning. cbs

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that's why we're hiring 10,000 members of the military community by the end of 2017. i'm very proud of him. male vo: comcast. the astronaut john glenn died this week. in 1962, glenn was the first american to orbit the earth. >> john glenn, we are underway. >> dickerson: as he rose into glenn described his everyñi sensation. >> oh, the view is tremendous. >> dickerson: when it was announced he would be the jockey on the atlas d rocket, news cameras gave him and his wife annie a taste of a new phenomenon, the celebrity front lawn treatment. my mom was one of the ones trampling the grass. >> this is nancy in arlington, virginia at the home of colonel john glenn. he is backñi here resting with s wife annie and their two children on this very bitter

cold morning in virginia, the astronaut came tout answer questions from reporters. >> glenn's active courage was a wonder to gays at but also a boost for americans worried the soviet union and communism were winning. glenn was proof that free societies could achieve greatness. >> the cheering crowd record a mighty welcome. >> dickerson: glenn embodied every virtue americans liked to think they had a birthright, honor, integrityingly at this, grit and courage. he was all-american and now when the television cameras come to the front lawn to record the latest outrage john glenn's death reminds us again of what makes america great, character, and that there was a time when the quiet display of it was a thing that we gathered around the television to watch. senator glenn was 95. godspeed, john glenn.çó [burke] hot dog. seen it. covered it.

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