captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: today on "face the nation", the 45th president takes office, events in the last "48 hours" show a very divided america. >> so help me god. >> dickerson: friday's inaugural, he followed the traditional pomp and p pageantr. >> along with the cheers and change, came chaos. and confrontation it is a new president delivered a blunt condemnations of politicians of both parties gathered to celebrate his inauguration and gave a bleak assessment of america. >> this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. >> dickerson: it is a new tone for a new president, and a new era for washington. on day one, president trump visited the central intelligence agency to mend fences. >> i love you, i respect you,

there is nobody i respect more. >> dickerson: but outside the white house, and around the country, there was no love lost as hundreds of thousands of women marched to protest the new administration. we will talk about all of this with counselor to the president kellyanne conway, republican senator lindsey graham and democratic senator bernie sanders, plus we will have lots of political analysis. it is all coming up on "face the nation". good morning and welcome to "face the nation". i am john dickerson. we begin with a closer look at yesterday's marches. in the nation's capitol hundreds of thousands turned out for the women's march on washington, organizers estimate that over 4 million morale lid against the trump administration in some 670 sister marchs in cities across the country and around the world. women marched in american cities, including boston, chicago, los angeles, and even anchorage, alaska and people

turned tout protest all over the world from bulgaria to new zealand. but the biggest crowds obviously in the major capitals. >> counselor to president kellyanne conway is outside of her new office building, the white house, good morning, kellyanne. >> good morning, john. >> dickerson: donald trump had a strong reception apt his inauguration and yesterday there were those marches, he as president himself with hearing the people and that's why he was elected so what is he hearing when he sees those protesters marching? >> well, he heard a lot of what we heard on the campaign trail, john. i mean, i think they missed a tremendous opportunity yesterday to really engage america's women and men on the issues that president obama's legacy left behind, 16 million people are in poverty why does he have millions of people and children without the access to healthcare although w we had the affordable care act so many years. >> and why do they feel, have

problems getting jobs that pay well and this is what this president wants to help solve w had profanity laced vulgar comments coming from celebs, donald trump in his inaugural address talked about the forgotten man and womaned now these forgotten celebs came to washington to deliver, really negative messages. >> dickerson: we have been hearing the, we have heard the beeping of a moving van in the background, everybody knows this is real. he is president of the whole country, he understands his views of the obama administration but he is the big guy in, he is the president. does he look at the opponents as roosevelt did, i wear their scorn as a badge of honor or he went down to meet the vietnam protesters and talked to the young kids. what does he hear from people who don't support him? >> he sees and hearings a country that is divided. donald trump didn't divide the country but as president he has a great opportunity to help heal and unify it. and john, president trump took a big steps forward in. >> in that regard in the

inaugural address, it was uplifting and unifying, he did reach across and try to engage people who did not vote for him, who maybe disagreed with him politically and otherwise, to really come together and he actually earlier in the week met with martin luther king, jr.'s son, martin luther king the third, in new york where they had an incredibly constructive and honest conversation about a unifying and healing the country. if you listen to president trump in his inaugural address, he talked about unifying and being aspirational and uplifting and the other day people are being negative to him. he reached across and he will be president for all america. >> dickerson: what he has done, obviously there is some dispute about whether there was an uplifting speech but i will ask you what he has done that affects real americans. he took executive action on the affordable care act, for the 20 million or so who get their insurance that way, what is that going to mean to them? >> well for the 20 million who rely upon the affordable care act in some form, they won't be

without coverage in this transition time let's talk about people who lost their healthcare and lost their insurance plans and lost their doctors. that devastation has been terrible for many americans and their families, and what he wants to do in replacing obamacare with a more patients free market solution is to make sure these people had coverage, lots of them got caught in that trap, and that gap and he wants to make sure through his plan you can buy insurance across state lines, you have health savings accounts and a block medicaid grant to states. >> dickerson: first, kellyanne, the number of -- 11 percent is uninsured in america, that's the lowest in the last eight years s that the standard for donald trump's health reforms that anywhere that loses their health insurance that will be seen as a failure of his health insurance plan? and i am not sure if i am on the affordable care act what that executive order has taken should people be, what should they think? >> they should think it is a great big step toward replacing

obamacare with a plan that works for more americans, it truly makes it affordable and accessible. you know, there are other americans based on to the statistics, john, who can't use their healthcare because their premiums have skyrocketed so dramatically in places like arizona, 113 percent, in pennsylvania, 53 percent. and so people who actually count as having healthcare actually can't abscess it because they can't the premiums and the deductible so we want to make it easier, for small business owners and families every single day this is a question burning for them. >> dickerson: let me ask you, yesterday the white house press secretary went out and gave a press conference and why didn't he talk about this, whic which u point out is such an important issue, millions of americans hanging to find out what their healthcare system is going to be like? isn't that more important than the question of crowd size which is what sean spicer was talking about? .. >> our press secretary will address americans on a number of issues including the ones i just

said on your show, john, yesterday, it is disappointing to get into this argument about crowd control, 31 million people witnessed donald trump's inauguration on the television, we know many other millions of americans are watching events like this on different screens, and 0 on their computers and phones and a prediction of big rain out that probably deterred many from coming but all that said there were hundred of thousands of people here and we all saw it. i think the things we can quantify and that does go to everything from the 2,600 counties he won -- and millions he is going to help. >> dickerson: that is in the past. i guess he is now doing things that affect real people in real lives, no more rhetoric, so why on a day yo you you can talk abt a thing that the new president has done the white house chooses to spend its political capital and its time on something that is quite petty relative to the big changes he is going to make in american healthcare? >> i think it is a symbol for

how we are covered and treated by many in the press, john, and that is unfortunate, look at what happened the day before, the very day before, we invited the press in to cover president obama sign an executive orders in the oval office and what happened immediately? a false report, i am sorry, it is very important, a false report was issued by the press pooler, and it went out to 3,000 some outlets, 3,000 stories, and it was false that there was a removal of martin luther king, jr.'s bust in the oval office that is just false and sitting right there and it was in the room. we can't have false reports like that and expect us to not wonder why we are covered and treated so differently and unfairly. >> dickerson: it just seems it is a question of proportion, the president himself went to the cia and thanked all the people there and said he was behind them 1,000 percent and talked about crowd size, aren't there more important things to talk at the cia or a new, leader of a new president. >> he talked about important things and he going to the cia at all represents how serious he

is about having a very productive and constructive relationship with our intelligence community. we had over 1,000 requests for folks to attend that, we can only accommodate 300 or 400. >> john, why did president trump plan to go to the cia in the first place, he wanted to witness the swearing in of the new cia director, pompeii. >> he is going to be a great cia director .. but why couldn't he witness his swearing in yesterday? oh because the democratic senate won't confirm him. president trump has nominated 21 of 21 cabinet positions, only two, two were confirmed at a time he took office. we can't have a government that way. we need bipartisanship up on capitol hill with democrats allowing him to get his nominees through so we can go through the transition of power. >> dickerson: democratic say pompeii is likely to be confirmed next week. kellyanne conway thanks for being with us. >> thanks, john. >> dickerson: joining us now is south carolina senator lindsey graham, senator good to

have you in the studio. i will read you a line from president trump's inaugural address. he says politicians have reaped the rewards of government while the people paid the cost. the establishment protected itself and not the country that seems like a shot at republicans and deposition to applaud his inauguration, did you take it that way? >> that is what got him elected president. here is how i see the country in january of 2017, we are divided how to move forward as a nation but united the institutions of government and the private sector no honker serve us welch i am in the congress. i get that most americans believe the body i work in doesn't serve the nation el, a lot of people from person in i people to trump people belief the private sector is rigged against them. here is my promise to this president and to the country. to the september i can restore trust by working with the institutions that most people think are failingly do it. i have been trying my best to work with democrats to solve hard problems but if you are in my business and your business and you don't get that most people in the country believe

institutions don't serve them, we are all missing the point of trump's election. >> dickerson: absolutely. but there is a difference between the institutions don't serve them and the people, he said the politicians have been basically feathering their domestics at the expense of the country. i mean that is corruption, that is banality. >> you want to look at my tax returns, you, can you want to look at my financial disclosures you can, i think to realize donald trump's victory is, you need to understand that we are united in one area, that the country institutions are not serving the public well. >> dickerson: let me ask you about another line from his speech. donald trump said every country has the right to pursue their national interests. what do you think about that? >> with caveats. russia's national interests under putin is to reconstruct the russian empire. 0 too gobble up territories formerly under russian control. the ayatollah's national interest is to radicalize the inside a populations, shia populations in sunni arab states, the leader of north korea is to build an icbm to hit

our homeland to make sure his regime never falls by, you know, holding up, us hostage, i think china's national interests is take land owned by others by force. so to the president, putin's national interests destabilize europe, the "toja's national interests will lead us into a war between the sunnis and a shias like you have never seen so there is a caveat to that, and to the president. if america first is a throwback to the twenties and 30s isolationism when it was first used as a phrase, the world would deteriorate even quick quicker, if it is a new way of ronald reagan peace through strength i would like to work with -- i don't know what america first means. >> dickerson: he also talked about cutting foreign aid. >> yes here is what i would tell him, talk to general mattis. he is a four-star general and here is what he said at an event i -- if you cut the state department's budget then you need to buy me more bullet in is a four-star marine corps

general. you want the story of rad cam radical islam, you will never do it by taking soft power off the table, you can't kill enough terrorists and drop enough bombs. our job at americans is to partner with people in the region and building a small schoolhouse for a poor young girl in afghanistan, syria or iraq will do more damage to radical islam than any bomb you could drop so please don't take soft power off the table. >> dickerson: as secretary of state tilson, tillerson .. understand the point you are making. >> that's why i joint voted for him, he says when america doesn't lead others will and the vacuum is always filled by bad actors, he says we have to have a foreign policy that engages the world we need to lead from the front, the foreign aid budget is one percent of the total federal spending, you could wipe it all out and not move the debt needle, most of our foreign we were aid goes to israel and begging this president to understand that if we don't help others over there,

we are always going to be in, endangered here, the marshal plan worked after world war 2. >> dickerson: i called him secretary of state. tillerson -- that's why you are voting for him and that's why that is news. let me ask you about the russian sanctions you would like to impose. where is that and do you think it will get out of the congress to the president? >> i think there is a vote tomorrow on additional sanctions against russia would get 75 votes in the senate. >> and that of course is to punish russia for meddling in the election. >> i think there is bipartisan belief russians interfered in our election. i don't think they change the outcome that but tip is trying to break the back of democracies all over the world. my hope is his team, his national security team which i like a lot, president trump's team will convince him if you forgive putin and forget about what he did, that screams weakness to putin. beware of the teddy wear, president trump, putin will change his tone, he will be cajoling but still has the same interests at heart. if we don't punish russia for what he did in our election, then iran and a

china could come in to the next election, people are watching us, don't be weak when it cops to russia, it didn't work on obama's watch and it won't work on your watch. >> dickerson: and your point is weakness not only extend a signal of weakness to putin and everyone else. how many republican senators do you think will vote for the sanctions a that president trump doesn't want? >> i think most will because most believe russia interfered in our elections. and those who live in the shadow of russian expansionism, the balkans, threats and domination, we need to send a signal to these countries that we are going to stand up to russia. so this idea of forgiving existing, lifting existing sanctions is an invitation to more the aggression by russia. this will be the biggest conflict between the congress and the president. another conflict is going to be infrastructure. i am for more infrastructure spending, so is bernie but i am a conservative republican that, it must be paid for, there are some republicans that will say, it is not the role of a federal government to rebuild the inner cities. i am willing to rebuild rural

america, inner cities, i just want it paid for, so president trump has to get his party in the game and the way to do it is pay for any infrastructure increases. >> dickerson: and ten seconds, a conflict there too. >> i will build up the military, because we are in danger, but i will not do it at the expense of the cia, the fieb, and the state department's punishment. if you take soft power off the table, then you have two options left, use military power exclusively or retreat. i cannot stress to you how important it is that we have more tools in the toolbox than just military power and retreat. >> dickerson: all right senator graham, thank you so much for being with us and we want to go now to burlington, vermont and senator bernie sanders, welcome, senator, the president responded this morning to the proo testers who were marching yesterday against him and said basically the election is over, why didn't you vote in the election? it doesn't sound like he is listening to those voices. >> well, i have the feeling the vast majority of the people who

protested did vote, as you know, mr. trump lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes but i think the point yesterday which was extraordinary, john, not just all over this country, in vermont where i was, we have one of the largest rallies in the history of the state. all over the world. what people were saying to mr. trump, women are not going backward. they are not going to become second class citizens. listen to the needs of women, listen to the needs of the immigrant community. listen to the needs of workers. listen to what is going on with regard to climate change, modify your positions. let's work together to try to save this planet and protect the middle class. >> dickerson: i wonder what you made, senator of the president's inaugural address, a lot of the people i talked to said there were things in that speech that bernie sanders would like, that the president's message about sort of punching the establishment in the nose with something that should delight a lot of liberals too

that are just as fed up with the institutions in washington. what did you make of it? >> well, i found it somewhat amusing that mr. trump, president trump was punching the establishment but right behind him, john, sitting in the vip sections were billionaire after billionaire after billionaire. some of the most powerful people in this country who are the last, over the last 10, 20 years have become much, much richer while the middle class has shrunk. i find it somewhat amusing that you are attacking the establishment when the establishment is sitting right behind you and when billionaires of large corporations are funding many of your inaugural events. now, if mr. trump is serious about standing up for working families, then he is not going to throw 20 million working people off of health insurance. he is not going to cut medicare

and medicaid. in fact, to my mind, the best thing, that mr. trump could do right now today is to send out a tweet and tell the american people that during the campaign when he said over and over and over again that he would not cut social security, cut medicare, med, cut medicaid, tell the people he was not lying that he is going to keep his word and they do not have to live in anxiety. >> dickerson: senator i want to follow up on that question on obamacare and those issues but we need to take a short break right now and a be back in one minute with more from senator bernie sanders. stay with us. asmy family tree,ing i discovered a woman named marianne gaspard... it was her french name. then she came to louisiana as a slave. i became curious where in africa she was from. so i took the ancestry dna test to find out more

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mean? the truth is that right now, the chairman of the subcommittee on social security, the republican chairman of that committee is working on legislation that would devastate medicare or devastate social security. paul ryan has for years believed in moving, privatizing the medicare and moving it to a voucher program, that moving aggressively republicans are to make major cuts in medicaid. what trump never used the word, the word we need to hear right now is he will keep his campaign promise, no cuts to social security, medicare and medicaid. i have to tell you something, i talked to a psychologist last night who told me that some of her patients are already in increased anxiety. what happens if they lose their medicaid? what is going to happen to them? so mr. trump, president trump can reassure the american people that he will keep -- by keeping his campaign promises. >> dickerson: i guess the question of cutting then gets everybody into a big debate about what is a cut and what isn't a cut, but let me ask you

about that, the affordable care act and the executive action the president has taken. what do you make of it in terms of the health of that bill or that program? >> well, look, it is clear that the republicans want to repeal the affordable care act. the american people are very divided on the positives and the negatives of the affordable care act, but very few people, john, think that you simply end the affordable care act, you do away with the protection that people have for preexisting conditions and go back to a time when i have somebody has cancer they could not get health insurance, where you take young people off of their parents' health insurance, where you do away with the caps, people don't want to see that, and it seeps to me and to the american people you just cannot repeal the affordable care act without a replacement. republicans for about, had eight years to come

up with a replacement, i have not seen that yet. >> dickerson: let me ask you about scenarios you may be able to work with the president and especially given the speech he gave in his inauguration. on infrastructure next week they are going to spend a couple of days on trade, on drug pricing, he sound exactly like you in terms of can you do anything to reach out and why not grab the moment? >> that's right. you are absolutely right. we are going to introduce legislation that will substantial lower, substantially lower prescription drug costs in this country because the they have been ripping off the american people right and left outrageous. i hope very much that president trump will work with us in terms of having medicare, negotiate prices with the drug companies, in terms of allowing americans and pharmacists to buy lower cost prescription drugs, from abroad. if he wants to come on board and work with us that will be great. in terms of income structure, clearly he is right when he says our infrastructure is becoming

dar -- we can create up to 13 million decent paying jobs by rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and have legislation in that will do just that. i hope that he will work with us. >> dickerson: all right. >> he also understands that our trade policies are a disaster. let's see if we can work together on that as well. >> dickerson: all right, senator sanders, thanks for being with us. the test will be whether deposition allowing, democrat senators to work with him, we will talk more about that later will talk more about that later thanks for being with us and we will be right back. >> i could surface anytime as a painful, blistering rash. one in three people get me in their lifetime, linda. will it be you? and that's why linda got me zostavax, a single shot vaccine. i'm working to boost linda's immune system to help protect her against you, shingles. zostavax is a vaccine used to prevent shingles

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goldberg,. >> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation". i am john dickerson. joining us now for some analysis, london knights, who is a policy director for the romney campaign and is now pa a fellow at the hoover institution in stanford university. cbs news contributor frank luntz, susan page is the washington bureau chief at usa today. jeffrey goldberg is editor in chief at the atlantic. frank, i want to start with you. what we have seen over the last two days, is that the tableau of america for years to come marches against him, is. >> there are three attributes that matter more than anything else in american life, respect, civility and tolerance and we are not seeing much of that from anyone right now. when donald trump delivered a speech he had some very powerful lines and talked about the people getting the government back, and that's to be applauded. but there was no respect for the previous president or any of the presidents, there was no respect for people who are up there on

the podium and the next thing that got attacked the next day, not even at the rally someone called me a fascist and used the language, i will get fired, but we now believe we can say and do anything to anyone at any time. we have lost that sense of decency situate and from, and frankly i don't know how we are going to get it back .. i will talk about the speech in a minute but susan what was the purpose of the march yesterday? it was just that we don't like donald trump or more to it? >> i think we use the word unprecedented too much to talk about donald trump but i do think something extraordinary has happened and on friday we saw a new grass roots movement, take over the white house and the republican party and on saturday we saw an entirely separate grass roots movement rise up against that, and these are two american sides that don't just disagree on policy, they think the other side is fundamentally attacking what makes their country great. they have clashing visions of what the nation ought to be, and

this is going to i think play out in a big way over the next four years. >> dickerson: jeffrey, what susan talks about is a populist movement on both side and we have seen it all across the world, in france, in great britain with brexit, adduce a big, i mean is this now global? >> it will. it certainly is global. i mean, you have populist rising across europe. i think you are also going to see concerted effort by trump people to help those people rise and so you are going to have an echoing effect, and this obviously goes into the trump affection let's call it for vladimir putin, this idea of a strong man who will solve your problems. he is attracted to people in the populist movement across the world who affect that kind of posture toward democracy and toward the idea of i alone can fix your problems. that's where we are heading. >> dickerson: i am going to

talk a little bit about the speech and vision that donald trump laid out. one-half or portion of the trump supervised release supporters, some have called this speech cashing, he said this is the way it is, diagnosing america with clear eyes, lanhee, and then the other half has a view that when you are that dark you make bad policy as a result because you get everybody too scared. what is your view of the political dynamic right now? >> the lens through which you see donald trump is the lens you saw that speech and i think it is the case there are some who believe that the country is in a very dark place and i think those are the people primarily who went out and supported donald trump. the policy part of this is very interesting, though, on the other hand, on one hand, you have things democrats could have argued for, bigger infrastructure spending, anti-free trade, but the actual policy of the administration has been engaged in has been deeply conservative, an executive order to freeze regulation, to that repeal obamacare is the policy

of the administration but gutting the affordable care act at an executive level. it is interesting how we are being buffetted from one side to the other by the speech and the action of the administration. it is interesting two words he didn't use in that speech was republican and democratic. and there was somewhat the policies he outlined that could not have been much comfort to the members of the republican members of the congress sitting behind him, and, n, he indicted really the political establishment of both parties. you know, the interesting thing about this, obviously democrats were made uncomfortable by many aspects of that speech but the republican members of congress sitting up there, those who were ideological republicans when you promise bridges and tunnels and highways and airports and don't seem to care or articulate how you are going to pay for that, that has a lot of people, i think, very upset and worried as well. >> and no one knows what to expect. the fact is there isn't a republican member of congress who knows exactly what donald trump is going to do in healthcare, what he is going to do on the budget, what he will do on taxes.

or donald trump knows. >> or the administration but we never had an administration, how the public will react to any of this. 25 years, where there is more doubt and more people are wrong on more things, it is dangerous to do a show like this, because within 24 hours each one of us will be proven wrong on something. >> well, that never stopped us before. >> yes, really. >> dickerson: let me ask, let me add this to it, was that a conservative speech? was that a republican speech? give us a label of how to -- >> i don't think we can label it. i think that is part of what people are having difficulty with, is that, you know, it used to be the case you could expect a republican president to get up there and give a certain kind of speech. that was not what -- >> you can label it a dissoapian, the first dissoapian inaugural in history, and dark vision of america that very few presidents, very few politicians .. go to. >> there are people who believe the country is in the wrong direction, those who don't trust the politicians, don't trust the media, don't trust business,

many young people think socialism is a better solution for american economics that capitalism because they lost -- >> dickerson: john to return to your point i think it would be interesting to see the first fault line between the republican majority in the congress and the president. is it going to be over the affordable care act? is it going to be over infrastructure? is it going to be over tax reform? because right now the posture many republicans of congress are going to take we are going to wait and see and be supportive. >> and russia -- >> -- suggesting in your interview that the first big fight that divide republicans in congress and in the senate from the white house is going to be whether to tough 15 sanctions or russia or even a debate over the new president moves to any sanctions against russia .. >> dickerson: jeffrey, lindsey graham thinks he has a lot of republicans on board on the russian sanctions; is that right? >> one thing about donald trump that a lot of republicans in the senate don't understand is his affection or however you want to

call it for the kremlin, right? i mean, until today, i mean, one of the sort of hallmarks of being a republican is doubting russia's, russians intentions whether a czar or the current blue to accurate, current ought accurate in charnt .. so i think he is putting a lot of republicans in a very unpleasant situation because they are, every cell in their body says we have to doubt putin and combat him and he might very well come in and say, no, no, no, we are resetting this to the point we will reduce sanctions and a lot of republicans want to put sanctions on. >> dickerson: we will go back to foreign policy on these domestic initials a sthekd, but frank, let me ask you about the speech itself. why bother people saying there wasn't outreach and why -- can you run a presidency with just the people who brung you which looks like what he is thinking habit doing. >> for the short-term, yes, but when the battles start and you have to get 60 votes in the senate, then there is no way to run an explicitly and strictly

republican effort, and i am focused now on healthcare, because that is the number one issue for a lot of americans, and there is no way that you can repeal it with 51 votes. but you can't replace it under 60. >> dickerson: yes. susan, you mentioned before the speech that richard nixon was a template, perhaps, for president trump and i went back and looked at that, there was a dark part of that speech but he started wit a lot of light and just one line from it, we cannot learn from one another until we stop shouting at one another, we speak quietly that our voice can be heard as well as our voices. that was the piece missing from donald trump. >> others have said things are bad, ronald reagan says things are bad, presidents have a taken over in greater times of national crisis than we face now. but they haven't been quite so unrelenting about it. i am surprised he didn't start by acknowledging what president obama has achieved as president and thanked him, thanked him for the transition ever but, effort

but he didn't say you took over at a time of financial crisis, he didn't acknowledge the president on stage, that he defeated the election, acknowledged her later -- >> dickerson: in the unity -- >> it is not only he was dark but it was that he didn't seem gracious to his foes, he didn't reach out to people who did not vote for him. >> but i think that is part of the psychology, though, of what the administration is trying do, because people who supported donald trump, you cannot be against barack obama enough. and for him to have done more, for him to have acknowledged more i think would have put him in a very difficult position with his supporters. it wasn't the case that there was a speech for his supporters but also a speech for those who didn't support him as well, look if you expected me to change that is not going to happen a. >> dickerson: what about this, frank, here is a theory, shoot it down quickly if you will, this was a speech to his supporters and locked in tight with them, with the full well knowledge of knowing washington will eat away at things but in

this big public moments he wants to show i am with you, that is what is in my heart and all the things you may hear down the line of him capitulating and tripping things on the sails to get legislation through won't be remembered, what will be remembered is he spoke loud and proud about the things he love about them. >> and he did, but that's not how you govern the country, not presidents of 46 percent of america, you are president of 100 percent. and before he, we came on we talked about our expectations for the future, i am clearly the darkest person on this panel because i think we are going to remember this weekend for a long time to come as not the end, not the campaign being over but this is the beginning of the most temps you, if that is the right word, in my mind awful conflict .. between left and right, between men and women, between young and old. i think we are breaking apart, since 1 1968 when we lost some incredibly good people in this country, that is 50 years.

i saw those signs in the parade, and they were so horrific and they are eight, nine, ten years old that are being taught to hate the other side, and that's the problem when you teach young people to hate, you can't get it out of their system. >> dickerson:. >> you know, you brought up richard nixon and i was going to contrast nixon and trump. nixon didn't live in a social media age and imagine richard nixon by the way with a twitter account, that would have been something. i think i don't know if the climate and technology is allowing people to see past their own hatred. >> it is not, it is encouraging it. >> dickerson: let's take a pause here. we are going to take a short break and we will be right back with more from our panel. tiki barber running a barber shop? yes!!! surprising. yes!!! what's not surprising? how much money david saved

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working for them, let's change it. >> dickerson: lanhee what do you think of the executive action taken on the affordable care act a and the way the dismantling is going forward? >> i think potentially it is quite broad or potentially it could be only symbolic, it really depends on what they decide to do with it. i think it will be interesting to see if the trump administration uses executive authority on obamacare to take it apart in the same way the obama administration used executive authority to implement the law. >> that's what going to be. if the trump administration says we won't enforce the individual mandate, well that will be very, very significant in its impact on the individual marketplace and that potential could drive-in surers out unless they are ready to come in behind with another executive action to stabilize the market. so it will be interesting to see how they use it. >> dickerson: use the measures that obama put in place to do it to undo it. let me ask you this question, you talked about doubt, nobody knows which way the wind is blowing. talk about that doubt in terms of the changing of the affordable compare act.

some want to be a replacement and not just a repeal, what the political lines as this -- as donald trump and the republicans try to take apart the affordable care act. >> the republicans want it repealed and they don't care what comes next. they want something there but the first thing is get rid of it and get rid of it within the first 100 days. the independents want repeal and replace, repeal and repair. basically, which is, and these words matter, you see people arguing over it, which is get rid of it but as quickly as you can, put something in that continues the preexisting conditions and. >> dickerson: protects -- >> and the kids being on the parents plan and change the mandate and the cost. and democrats want to know that everyone is going to be protected, particularly the affordable, affordability of it, make no mistake, if republicans can show that the cost of healthcare will come down from, for most americans they will be acting in the way that the american people want. that is what they have to prove. >> dickerson: tough thing to prove. >> they have to, they don't have a choice. >> dickerson: jeffrey,

yesterday president trump made a visit to the cia to thank and give his support and what do you make of the visit? >> i thought it was bizarre and inappropriate and somewhat dangerous. bizarre because he was having what was essentially a campaign rally, campaign style rally or discourse right by the cia's wall of honor, memorial wall which is akin for the intelligence committee to the tomb of the unknown soldier for the armed forces. so it was just a very -- that was a very strange thing and inappropriate thing to do. on substance, what was disturbing was he was criticizing or condemning the free press of the united states in front of a group of intelligence officers, in front of this -- in front of the cia. that is something that is without, sorry to use the word again, but somewhat unprecedented and it reminded me of some of his cover -- it reminded me of a discourse that you hear in places like turkey or sometimes in egypt where the strong man is trying to

undermine the institutions of civil society, when, the institutions of democracy. i am not saying he shouldn't criticize the press but in front of government employees and not only government employees but intelligence service employees that struck me as a dangerous precedent. >> but did they treat him honestly and fairly? >> does the press treat him fairly. >> does the -- >> this is no one press. i think the so-called mainstream press holds him accountable for his comments and fact checks him and as we saw yesterday with sean spicer they don't like it when they fact check them when they have their facts incorrect. >> dickerson: sean sean spicer, there was executive action on the affordable care act, he had news instead he got in a fight with the press about the crowd size and how it was recorded. >> we talked about some of the tests for president trump going forward, there are some tests here for the press as well in coverage of the new president, because we have a role and

accountability providing context and fact checking and you saw kind of some of the dangers ahead with sean spicer attacking the press for accurately reporting on an issue of crowd size, talked about something we shouldn't be concerned about is the size of the crowds on the mall. but saying basically you can't believe the press, you can't believe the photos the press shows that demonstrate that the crowds were smaller than they were for president obama's first inauguration. so i thought that was -- i think there were some challenges here for the press and i thought it was a tough start for the press to come out, accurate reporting was untrue and leave without taking questions. >> dickerson: lanhee let me ask you about overseas and the inaugural address and what lindsey federal was talking about. there seems to point doubt, uncertainty about whether the reagan vision of promoting freedom as a good that is in america's national security interests is still part of american policy under donald trump. what do you think? >> the inaugural address laid out a very different framework for foreign policy. i mean, america first has

meaning for people that goes back many, many years, and it does suggest a very different orientation. now, for the rest of the world i think there is a little bit of, they are trying to figure out what is going on as much as we are as americans, but i think for them, the implications are far more significant, if you go to korea or japan or go to israel or go to the united kingdom or any of our western european allies or allies in the rest o of the world there are questions about where america is going to stand and i think the inaugural address really kind of put people on notice that this is going to be a different framework we are operating in so i absolutely think we are in a different time and place. we have treated relationships with some of the countries you just talk about, which suggests that america is not first in washington's view, that "washington post" world war ii, when we became the global leader, that we decided that the defense of other countries was also worth our time, money and even blood and so this is a revolutionary aspect of what donald trump was saying. calling into question whether we are going to rise to the defense

of free peoples. i was also struck, frank, that the president talked about how america had disappeared over the horizon against other countries. there has been a long debate about american exceptional lism and whether presidents are sufficiently exceptional in praising america. that seems like not -- you wouldn't put that in the american exceptionalism hymn that we are disappearing over the horizon. i really think the country is in trouble, if we don't trust the people who give us our news, if we get our news -- rather than to inform us we won't collect any information. if we don't listen to others and allow our opinions to change overtime then democracy weakens and the electoral process if we are telling lies to people in an effort to get elected and we don't hear the accountability, then where are we headed from here both nationally and internationally? we are losing the respect of the global community. we have lost the respect of americans here. there is a sense that our

democratic system and the institutions have failed us and i see nothing in the last "48 hours" to indicate that any of this is going to be addressed in the coming weeks or months. >> dickerson: susan, secretary graham, i am sorry, senator graham, i gave him an elevation there, senator graham, beliefs in going forward with sanctions bill against russian, sets up not just a debate but real things. what do you think is going to happen? mitch mcconnell has to put a bill in front of the president the president doesn't seem to like. >> we don't know that will happen. senator graham says if the vote were tomorrow he would get 75 votes in the senate, but the vote is not tomorrow and president trump has some ability to lobby republicans in the senate as well. but i do think this could be an early flash point between the congress, especially in the senate, and the new white house, because there is a consensus, there is a republican consensus among republicans and democrats in the senate that russia is not our friend, that vladimir putin

is not a model that we should be following. so this could be -- this could emerge as -- as something kind of designing in the relationship, especially on foreign policy between the president and the white house. between the white house and the congress. >> dickerson: jeffrey, what do you make of mr. tillerson, rex tillerson and his nomination to being confirmed as secretary of state? >> it seems more likely now that senator graham says he would -- that a is one thing. >> dickerson: and mccain says he will as well. >> mccain says he will as well. rex tillerson is in that category that people at least insiders believe is one of the grownups who is going to play a responsible role, along with jim mattis in making sure that the useful fills its commitments overseas, there are obvious questions of putting the head of exxon in the state department but he seems to have emerged as one of the more credible figures to be nominated by donald trump so far. >> dickerson: all right, we are going have to end it there. of course senator marco rubio with his vote will be outstanding and that is a real

question sips he is on the foreign relations committee. thanks for being here and a thanks to all of you for watching and we will be back in a moment. >>

>> dickerson: finally today, with all of the drama and emotion and division surrounding the events of the last two days, we leave you with the images of american citizens showing their loyalty to their country. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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