learn how you can help at girlup.org. this is the cbs "overnight news." the president said there was blame and violence on both sides. we wanted to get a fact check on what happened in charlottesville. so we are calling on our reporter, paula reid who was on the scene, for cbs news on saturday. how well armed were both sides? paula? >> reporter: pretty much every white supremacist demonstrator i saw had some sort of weapon. either a helmet, a shield, a firearm, a baton. as for the counterprotesters, i

would say most of them were unarmed. many of them were members of the clergy or students. now there were some people who were there as counterdemonstrators who were there to cause trouble. but, overwhelmingly the counterprotesters were unarmed. also the only one administering medical aid to those who had chemical agents in their eyes and mouth. >> did you get any sense of where most of the tension was really coming from on the scene? >> you have to remember, emancipation park where robert e. lee is, is raised above the street. several feet, steps above the road. white supremacists had the park. we were seeing a lot of objects coming down from the park into the streets. where most of the counterdemonstrators were. and it is clear, for every one counterdemonstrator flag you could see, there were 10, 15, confederate or white supremacist flags. >> the rally schedule ford saturday. there was a lot of people a. -- arrived friday night carrying torches. what was the significance of that? >> police caught off-guard from the start. several hundred marching through university of virginia campus, chanting white supremacist slogans and carrying tiki

torches. seems that helped embolden them. why they got to the rally several hours early and were pretty amped up. >> paula reid. thank you very much. let's tornado to john dickerson, top washington correspondent, anchor of "face the nation." i was struck by the fact that the president was carrying his saturday speech in his pocket. which suggested that he had something he wanted to say today. a. >> yes, he was, in the middle of making, continuing an argument. he seemed more interested in the signing -- in assigning blame in his remarks to, those on the left, and ensuring there was this equivalent understanding of what took place. than he was interested in showing moral disgust. that a president should show towards neo-nazi protesters who representative beliefs that are entirely at odds with the united states.

the country that he is the leader of. that repeated and made worse his moral failure from saturday. presidents are supposed to rush into the moments and unify americans. but the president, by bringing that statement and continuing to try to defend himself was, was, continuing an argument and saying, both sides were to blame. he wanted to make sure he was right about the details when he characterized the protesters he overlooked nazi slogans and flags and salutes. >> john, in the end what do you make of what happened today in terms of how it will affect the president? >> will this happens in a context. the president won office, and was heralded by many supporters by speaking bluntly. by speaking truths. by not bothering with the niceness. his reluctant to speak the truth about neo-nazi protesters chanting nazi slogans. a failing he repeated twice. this is, he had a moment like this during the primaries that rattled republican leaders. republican leaders will now have to distance themselves from the president and the question is -- how they get back together again? >> john dickerson. thank you very much.

joining us is dr. calvin butz, president of the state university of new york at old westbury and pastor. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> the president said yesterday that racism is evil. have his remarks effectively undercut that? >> i think so. everyone believes that he is trying to avoid identifying the hatred and the level of vitriol in the country today. and his statements today, in terms of trying to spread the blame, so to speak, did not really ensure americans, most of them. i would encourage the president to pay attention to the polls, that we should not be living in fear. everyone is afraid today. >> is it possible to keep the country united? with this rhetoric? >> no. that's the problem. coming from the bully pulpit of

the white house. you have to speak to the sensibilities of this nation. we are not going to fight the civil war again. we are not going to stand for the kind of hatred that we see tearing this country apart. and the president needs to tone it down. he needs to demonstrate that he can lead this nation. it is a difficult job. but we are a good people. we have come a long way. and we cannot let a man like him take us backward. >> what does a man like him, what do you mean? >> someone who is a bully. someone who does not listen off to the deep reservoir of intelligence. of the men and the women of the united states government. >> if you could say something directly to the president today or have him say something, what would it be? >> it would be there is domestic terrorism in the united states

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before quitting eight years later and starting a nonprofit, to combat hate. >> this notion that white supremacists are all around us, a very scary picture you paint? >> it is. unfortunately, it is a reality. >> reporter: the southern poverty law center counts more than 900 active hate groups in the u.s. a number that is growing. >> this is a movement that is really fueled at this moment by a lot of young, angry, white men. >> heidi beiric, who tracks hate groups for the splc agrees with the former skinhead, pitchalini. >> it is false to think people in the white supremacist movement are poor people living in trailer parks with no education. >> he takes it further. saying no one should be surprised at support for president trump from white supremacists in charlottesville last weekend. do you think white supremacists look at donald trump and feel affirmed? >> absolutely, 100%. the anti-immigrant, anti-refugee talk. and the idea to put america first. those are all things we talked about 30 years age it resonates

just as deeply with the people who are in the movement. >> this past january, the obama administration, gave pitchalini's group, $400,000 to continue its work battling hate groups. in june the trump administration told them, the grant anthony had been canceled. >> thank you, jim. the cbs "overnight news" will be right back. ♪ new lysol kitchen pro eliminates 99.9% of bacteria without any harsh chemical residue. lysol. what it takes to protect. i just want to find a used car without getting ripped off. you could start your search at the all-new carfax.com that might help. show me the carfax. now the car you want and the history you need are easy to find. show me used trucks with one owner. pretty cool. [laughs] ah... ahem... show me the carfax. start your used car search and get free carfax reports

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mr. trump took two days to explicitly condemn the white supremacists in charlottesville within an hour of his resignation, frasier was in the president's twitter line of fire. while frasier move put pressure on colleagues for the most part they're staying put. a professor at george wash university business school say president exacting a vendetta. >> taking on the president of e ball. >> yes, difficult to take on the president of the united states.e payoff might we be high as well. >> late today, the president of the afl-cio also stepped down, iting, i cannot sit on a council for a president that a terrorism. dozens of business leaders still serve on mr. trump's advisory bo >> next, why a black man in the south is painting confederate flags.

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at a time when confederate flags are being removed all over america, a prominent black artist in the south is adding them to his paintings. why? here's mark strassmann. >> reporter: leo twigs, son of the south sees life as a series of crossings. while the now 83-year-old artist spent four decades painting a recurring symbol, the confederate flag. hundreds of them. why pick that? as a recurring symbol? >> because i think the south is full of contradictions, you know.

we have got the, southern hospitality. then we have the segregation. and they seem at opposite ends. that flag resurfaced in charlottesville, front and center over the weekend. as a boy in south carolina, twigs watched clansmen wave it as a paraded through his hometown. segregation marched through his life too. >> you can go to any of the white schools. i went to nyu because -- at the time, the state would pay your way to, to another university. paid you to go away. >> paid me to go away. >> reporter: in 129d 70 the first black student to earn doctor of arts at university of georgia. twigs became one of the south's most acclaimed artists. his paintings of this flag representative his journey and the south's. >> i make it a tattered and worn relic of the past that should be

in a museum. yet, we see it flying around. as if the war is still going on. >> alive and present. >> alive and present. >> it was for dylan roof, after he massacred nine black worshippers at mother ee manual church. south carolina lowered the flag at the state capital. it faded from view much like in the paintings of leo twigs. >> i call it. find a moment. it is part an isolated incident. part of the african-american story. the stony road be charred. i hope the flags create an atmosphere for conversation. >> what can i do? >> what can i do? >> charlottesville reflected the message of leo twigs. something america has yet to cross over. mark strassmann, cbs news, charleston. that's the "overnight news" for this wednesday. for some of you the news continues. for others check back later for the morning news and cbs this morning. from the broadcast center in new york city, i'm avenue anthony mason.

thank you for watching. this is the cbs "overnight news." welcome to the "overnight news." i'm tony dokoupil. a fiery president trump defended his response to the deadly racist march in charlottesville, virginia. the president took a b f question as but infrastructure at trump tower in nerkrnedo the riot. mr. trump again placed blame on both sides and he denied he took too long to condemn the kkk, and white supremacists. a question from our own margaret brennan seemed to spark the president to anger. called on you to defend -- >> i did it last time. senator mccain?

>> senator mccain, the one who voted against obamacare. who, you mean senator mccain, who voted against us getting good health care? >> senator mccain said the alt-right is behind the attacks those who perpetrated the attack in charlottesville. >> i don't know. i can't tell you. >> well i don't know. i am sure senator mccain must when you say the alt-right, define alt-right to me. define it for me, come on. let's go. >> senator mccain, defined them as the same group. >> what about the alt-le me,hat you say at the alt-right. do they have any semblance of guilt? >> let me ask you, this what th

charging with clubs in their hand swinging clubs, do they have any problem, i think they do? >> are you putting what you are calling the alt-left and wble h day. wait a minute. i'm not finished, fake news. i'm not finished. that was a horrible day.ing. i watched this very closely. much more closely than you ch i. and you have -- you had a group on one side that was bad.d you r side that was also very violent. but i will say it right now. you had a group, you had a group on the other side, that came charging in without a permit. and they wer violent. >> do you think what you call the alt-left is the same as neo-nazis?ose people, excuse me, i have condemned. neo-nazisment i have condemned

many different groups.but t alle neo-nazis. be not all of the people were whit. those people were also there because they wanted to appropriate test, the taking down of the statue, robert e. lee. so, excuse me. and you take a look at some of the groups, you see -- you know it if you were honest reporters which in many cases you are not. many of the people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of robert e lee. this week it is robert e lee. i notice stone wall jackson is coming down. i wonder, george washington next week. thomas jefferson the week after. you know, you really do have to ask yourself where does it stop? but they were there to protest, excuse me. you take a look the night before. they were there to protest the taking down of statue of robert e. lee. infrastructure question, go ahead. >> should the statue of robert e. lee stay up? >> i would say that is up to a local town, community, or the federal government depending on where it is located.

>> are you against the confederacy? >> how concerned are you about race relations in america, do you think things have gotten worse or better since you took office. >> they've avenue gotten better or the same. they have been frayed for a long time. you can ask president obama about that. he would make speeches about it. but i believe the fact that i brought in, it will be soon, millions of jobs, you see, where come pans are moving back our country. i think that is going to have a tremendous positive impact on race relations. we are going to fix, fixing the inner cities. doing far more than anybody has done with respect to the inner cities. a priority for me. and it is very important. >> are you putting what you are calling alt left and white supremacists on the same moral plane. >> i'm not putting anybody on a

moral plane. i am saying thisu group on one side, a group on the other came at each oth horrible. and a horrible thing to watch. but there is another side. there was a group on this side, have just called them e p. so you can say what you want. but that is the way it is. >> on both side. hatred. violence on beth side. >> i do think there is blame, yes, on boththide is blame on b side. and i have no doubt about it. and you don't have any doubt about it either. and, all -- and, and, if you reported it accurately, you se m you had some very bad people in that group. but you also had people that were -- that were very fine people on both side. you had people in that group, di ex you had people in the group that were there to protest the taking dof, important statue. and

>> george washington was a slave was george washington a slave owner? so, will george washington now lose his status? are we going to take down--excuse me. are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to george washington? how about thomas jefferson? what do you think of thomas jefferson? you like him. >> i do love thomas jefferson. >> he was a major slave owner are we going to take down his statue. you know what it is fine. you are changing history. you are changing culture. and you had people. not talking about the neo-nazis and white nationalists they should be condemned totally. you had many people in the group other than neo-nazis and white nationalists. okay. and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. now, in the other group, also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with, with the black outfits and health melts and the baseball bats. you have a lot of bad people in the other group. >> i didn't understand what you

were saying, the press has treated white nationalists unfairly. i didn't understand? >> there were people in the rally. i looked the night before. if you uh look, there were people protesting very quietly. the taking down of the statue of robert e. lee. i'm sure in the group there were bad ones. the following day it looked like they had some rough, bad, people. white nationalists whatever you want to call them. you had a lot of people in the group who were there to innocently appropriate test and legally protest because you know, don't know itch you know, they had a permit. the other group didn't have a permit. i only tell you this. there are two side to a story. i thought that what took place

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>> the most famous sound in england is going silent. big ben, the clock needs repairing. they can't do it with that bell going off all day. charlie dagata reports from london. >> looks like it is in great shape. behind the pretty face, a clockworking before abe lincoln was president. that's look running your car, 24 hours a day for 160 years. one british politic says the idea of big ben going silent for as many years is bonkers. the big bongs of the great bell have echoed across london for 157 years of pretty much unbroken. through six monarchs, kings, queens who have come and gone to queen elizabeth.

even the germans couldn't stop the bells tolling through the worst of the blitz. >> big ben reap fused to stop work for a second. now time has taken its toll. and the deafening chimes. could harm workers not only giving lon con a facelift. renovating the power inside and out. like adding an elevator, says, excitable architect. >> going to put a lift in. t point in. no ware new make a tee. and toilet. one thing no toy let. nowhere in this country nose make tea, this move. >> got a rare look inside the bellfry. up close. >> by 1854. >> ian westworth, the company wining the clock literally for seven years wants to keep it that way. he has an old-fashioned fix. pennies. >> by putting on or taking off a penny. pendulum like this. you speed up, or slow down the clock by 2/5 second. in 24 hours. >> not only is the old clock still doing its job. so is ian westworth. >> such a long stoppage period. check absolute leave everything on the clock.

that one is still working. londoners and tourists are heartbroken. the landmark will be out of action so long. >> people is big ben. and to come all the y here and not to be able to see it. four years of silence will be deafening. and that's the "overnight news" for this wednesday. from the cbs broadcast center in new york silty. i'm tony dokoupil.

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