captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: stowed on "face the nation." president trump is son the last leg of his 12-day tour through asia and republican party takes hard knocks on the political front back home. at the end of his trip a president not shy about creating enemies was working hard to make friends. first the north korean leader jong-un. >> strange things happen in life. but it's certainly a possibility. i don't know that it will but it would be very, very nice if it did. >> dickerson: the president present a little time with russian president vladimir put in and says he's ready to move on from the topic of russian interference in the last election. >> i believe that president putin really feels, he feels strongly, that he did not meddle in our elections. what he believes is what he believes. >> dickerson: we'll get report on mr. trump as trip from

vietnam then turn to the news back home as republican race to get tax reform through congress got sidetracked by party politics. following democratic in key states and local elections came a bombshell "washington post" report. alleging sexual misconduct on the part of alabama republican senate special election candidate, roy moore. key republicans say moore should step aside so he doesn't bring down the party. so far moore denies the report and refuses to drop out. >> these attacks are completely false and untrue. >> dickerson: we'll talk to south carolina republican senator tim scott and vermont senator bernie sanders plus treasure secretary steve mnuchin and we'll ask a group of new hampshire trump voters if the president is meeting their expectations. >> step it up.

>> i still like him. dickerson: we'll have plenty of analysis on all the news all coming up on "face the nation." good morning, welcome to face the make i'm john dickerson. we have a lot to cover both at home and abroad. we begin with cbs foreign affairs correspondent margaret brennan who is traveling with the president, she joins us from hanoi, vietnam. >> good morning. as the president nears the end of the most extensive visit to asia by any president more than 25 years, his relationship with vladimir pout tin again taking center stage of a material the two met in vietnam, mr. trump said putin appeared sincere when he denied any russian intervenes in the u.s. election. >> i believe that he feels that he and russia did in the meddle in the election. as to whether i believe it or not, i'm with our agencies he is especially that is currently

constituted. >> he made that clarification after having told reporters that the hacking was an artificial democratic hit job. republican senator john mccain says the president was naive to take the word of a former kgb agent over the u.s. intelligence community, which concluded with confidence that the hacking was directed by russia at the very highest level. in a tweet this morning, the president called north korean dictator jong-un short and fat. the president had largely avoided belittle knowledge him while here in the region after an aborted trip to the dmz the president even extended an offer for negotiations to resolve the stand off over his nuclear arsenal. >> the weapons you are acquiring are not making you safer, they are putting your regime in grieve danger. >> beijing earlier in the week, the president asked to cut off any financial support to pyongyang and fame sized only personal admiration for china's leader. during the campaign he accused china of raping the u.s.

economy. now, he says he doesn't blame beijing for taking advantage of the u.s. trade imbalance. at economic summit in vietnam the president brought his america first message but america stood alone while 11 other countries forged ahead with the transpacific partnership, largest free trade deal in history. mr. trump instead offered to broker bilateral deals with any country in the region but so far there have been no takers. the president is ending his 12-day asia trip in the philippines where he met with the president, a troublesome u.s. ally giving controversial policy of extra judicial killings. the trump administration has made virtue out of not publicly criticizing his human rights record instead describing the relationship between the two presidents as having a warm rapport. john? >> dickerson: margaret brennan in hanoi, thanks so much. we turn now to what is going on here at home and republican senator tim scott, he joins froes mount pleasant, south

carolina. welcome senator. senator, a number of your republican colleagues, mike lee, steve danes, senators from utah and montana have said these allegations about roy moore require him -- they have unendorsed him. others have said he should step out of the race. what do you think? >> well, certainly the allegations are very, very strong, denial was not as strong as the allegations, i think if the allegations are true, there's no doubt that he should step aside. and not for the party, but for the american people, we have to find a way to restore trust and confidence in our elected officials, in our government. and this goes in the wrong direction. >> dickerson: in this case, though, if the allegations are true, he's denying them. how do you find proof, it seemed interesting about what mitt romney said they looked at the case as presented by the "washington post," that was sufficient evidence for them. >> there's no doubt that the case is compelling. the judge and the jury in this case will be the people of

alabama, voters of alabama. they will have an opportunity to weighish very clearly and decisively and very shortly. >> dickerson: do you -- what's your reaction to some of the supporters in alabama republicans have said, even if this is true they still support moore. that's voters of alabama having their say. but does that have any affect on the larger republican party? >> well, certainly, i think the reality of it, voters will be heard, we had very good candidates in that race, we had luther strange and others who were a classmate of mine, very fine men. reality of it is that the ripple effect of the republican party is yet to be determined. the truth of the matter is we ought to be a party focused on principles and we should govern according to those principles and find ourselves cross ways with those principles it's difficult for the american people to understand what direction we want to take them. one of the ways that we solve that problem from a policy standpoint is tax reform.

with this current situation will have to be solved by the people of alabama, voters will be the judge and the jury. >> dickerson: i'm going to move on to tax reform. the senate bill that came out this week, delays the corporate tax cut that the president very much wants until 2019. some white house sources say that this is going to hurt growth that's so important to the tax cut, what's your feeling on that? >> well, certainly when you talk to corporate america the businesses in our country what they say is that the higher corporate tax rate will give them an opportunity to write off many of the expenses that a higher tax rate which makes those expenses, writing them off next year more valuable. but the sooner we get to the 20% tax rate the better off we are, the fact is that only individuals actually pay that tax -- taxes paid by employees with lower salaries, consumers with higher prices and investors with lower returns. so we have to get that corporate tax rate down to the competitive position. we now have the highest

corporate tax rate in all of the industrialized world. we cannot compete. >> dickerson: well, of course some -- >> at that level. dickerson: dispute that tax because of what corporations can do to get around those taxes. lot of reporting recent leap about tax havens, this bill, doesn't really take care that have people will -- corporations will be able to hide money in tax havens, should legislation be doing more to make it impossible to hide money in off-shore accounts? >> well, the good news is one of the first steps that we take in this corporate tax restructuring is repatriation which says, whatever your assets are, anywhere in the world we're going to have a minimum tax on it immediately of 10% on our plan, 5% if it's not a liquid asset so as to bring those resources home so that we can create more jobs. our business tax restructuring will create somewhere near a million jobs over the next ten years, american jobs created here at home because we're going

to have an opportunity to be competitive. this is really good news for the average person in this nation that wants to see the jobs of the future created here at home. >> dickerson: let me ask about the average person. there's no question that in this bill corporate tax rates are going down. there's been no study that suggests that they won't. but there have been -- quite a lot of dispute about whether the middle class is really going to get a tax cut, the joint -- community for joint committee on taxation by 2023 the middle class tax cuts will not be around. if this is being sold as middle class tax cut shouldn't there be total certainty about every middle class person with a tax cut no matter what year it happens to be? >> certainly are at place where the vast majority of taxpayers will get tax cut, every single bracket will have lower taxes. reality of is it if you define middle america as 73,000 because it's the average income per household in the country, that

average household will see their taxes go down by $1500. those folks living in a single parent household, head of household could see their taxes cut in half and folks living in dual household with $117,000 sees their taxes going down. the real question is, when we define the middle class around 250 or 300,000 which is in the top 5% of income in the country, you do have sometimes where 80% of the taxpayers see their taxes go down single folks like myself may see their taxes go up. some instances based on itemization versus doubling the standard deduction and using it. >> dickerson: i think it shows in 202 that at much lower income level that people might see their taxes go up. let me ask you one final question about something that came out of the virginia race. the issue of confederate statues was brought up, you in south carolina of course went through the painful issue of the conpet rad flag. president trump has said that

keeping these statues up is parted of our heritage as americans. what should the -- do you agree with that view and if not what should the republican view be on those? >> i think decide state by state. but here is one of the most powerful pictures i've ever been a part of, president obama sta standing in fronted of the pettis bridge in selma, alabama. it's a bridge where folks like john lewis almost lost hire lives trying to secure freedom. the bridge called the pettis bridge having african american president decided by the people of america is the most powerful sign, significant sign of progress in this nation. there is an opportunity for us to understand and appreciate the provocative nature of race in that nation by looking at the symbols of hate and symbols of progress. we can do both. the question will be how states make that decision. >> dickerson: do you believe those statues are symbols of hate?

>> obviously believe that the pettis bridge certainly was place where hate was carried out in very violent way. the beauty of coming back 50 years later and co-leading a group of congress members to the bridge and having the president stand below it is that, that is a great picture of progress in this nation. i can't say that's true for all statues but i certainly believe that when we have history, you can't sanitize his torso what i'm trying to say the reality of it is having the pettis bridge there still named that is a, aa sign of how dark their heart can can. b, a sign of how light or bright we can become as a nation. >> dickerson: all right senator scott thanks for being with us. joining us now is vermont senator bernie sanders in burlington. senator sanders you tweeted something this morning about the president and his meetings overseas you said, quote, president trump has never met a leader of an authoritarian nation that he didn't like. you named russia, china, saudi arabia.

is that really fair, president obama hosted a dinner, he tried to reset with putin in russia isn't this what presidents do? >> no. you want to make friendships. you want to have good relationships. but at the same time as we have a president attacking the media every day as fake news, encouraging republican governors around the country to suppress the vote. playing the race card in the sense of trying to divide us up by the color of our skin, by the country that we came from, he's doing all of these things he has wonderful things to say about mr. putin. the idea that he reports back to us that mr. putin said that russia did not have anything to do in terms of interfering with our elections is -- he believes him. while he does not believe the intelligence agencies of the united states of america. is beyond absurd.

>> dickerson: let me ask you about the question of roy moore in alabama, when i talked to democrats they basically want republicans to be stuck with this mess. is that really a good idea, isn't this issue and allegations and what is the public we do with allegations like this a little bit more than something that has to just be handled as, great, it's the other team having a bad time? >> allegations, you're right, allegations are allegations. mr. moore denies most of the allegations, i gather but not all. i think mitt romney made this point, john mccain mapped this point that if you look at the report done by the "washington post," which is a very thorough report, its was not done by opposition research. i think you can reach the conclusion that what this gentleman did was totally inappropriate and not the kind

of behavior that a united states senator should have. >> dickerson: all right, senator sanders, we'll take a break talk about politics. the president did in fact believe the intelligence agencies after his written remarks so did he clean that up. but we'll be back in a second, we'll tech about other things on we'll tech about other things on the other side of this commercial. stay with us. ...at t. rowe price... ...we've helped our investors stay confident for over 75 years. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. what if we could keep more amof what we earn?d. trillions of dollars going back to taxpayers. who could possibly be against that? well, the national debt is $20 trillion.

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running for state legislature, running for city council and school board and winning those elections. what i have always believed is that the only way we're going to transform this country, only way we're going to take on the top 1% effectively is when millions of people get involved in the political process and that's what we're beginning to see. that excites me very much. i do believe that in many ways the election on tuesday was a referendum on trump. and the american people very clearly said, no, we're tired of the divisiveness of trump, tired of his policies designed to get tax breaks to billionaires, throw people off of health insurance that's not what we want from an administering. we want real change in this country. we wanted government that represents all of us not the 1%. >> dickerson: talk about that energy in democratic party and progressive movement and liberal movement whichever darks darks however you want to define it. one of the things in hear from people who are life long democrats is, they hear you giving democratic party advice

and they say, wait a minute, he's not a democrat. why is he giving us advice. it tends to irritate them. what's your response? >> well, it may irritate them. but it does not irritate the american people. look, one of the problems facing the democratic party is that it has got to open up its doors. the truth, is that these are the democratic party or republican party today are held in very high esteem by the american people. that's. >> jon: a fact. more people now who are independence than democrats or republicans so to say to independents, say to young people overwhelmingly, say to working people, we don't want to you come in to the democratic party is totally absurd and it's a recipe for failure. now, in my view the democratic party needs to make fundamental changes. we need to do away with the extraordinary number of superdelegates that now exist in the presidential nominating process. do away with closed primaries. got to reform the caucus system to allow everybody to vote. you need more transparency at the dnc.

lot of money goes through there, people need to know how. we need a state strategy so that half the states in this country have a democratic party which does not exist. >> dickerson: senator, if the dnc made those changes, would you advise your former supporters who are basically saying the party can't be fixed, we've got to create our own progressive movement, would you encourage them to stop that and then strengthen the democratic party? >> well, i am working very, very hard now to reform the democratic party. i'm working really hard to see that we raise the voter turn out in this country, that we bring people who have given up on the political process in to the democratic party. that's where we are right now. so, i think that now -- we saw this last tuesday. we saw whole lot of people who have never before been involved in politics getting involved in politics. that is what we have to do. and when we do that, we will have the kind of energy that we need to soundly defeat the right wing extremism which is now at

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>> dickerson: turn to some analysis from our political panel. amy walter national editor of the political report. jeffrey goldberg is the editor in chief of "the atlantic," ed o'keefe covering congress for the "washington post" and is cbs news contributor. jeffrey, i'll start with you. the president has been in two places on russia here. what is your assessment of, again, he's back on this question of whether he believes his intelligence community. >> rhetorically in two places, his heart is in one place. vladimir putin he has never criticized. he attacks the american intelligence community far more often than he attacks russia and putin. he's obviously walked back some of his comments about russia interference because his own cia director saying that's not correct. he wants him on his side

obviously. but i think his heart -- his heart it seems as if he believes that the russia story, the russia controversy is manufactured by his enemies and he really believes that putin is in the driver's seat in their relationship. he believes that he needs putin more than pilot tin needs him. it's quite fascinating, it's unprecedented. >> it's the conflations between collusion versus russian meddling, that the president is really focused on there's been this conclusion on collusion, which is true. we obviously have investigation going on on this. what is not in dispute is the fact that russia engaged, involved, meddled in the 2016 election. the president is not separating those two things out. he made the further claim which is also dangerous the to say, i can't really believe the last administration when it came, their views on russia but now that we have my administration,

we can believe those. and this is to me where we're going to -- we continue to go as a country which is this fierce partisanship and the desire to only believe one side's team over the other side's team in times of great crisis. that is a very, very dangerous place to be, if you only believe your team and what they're telling you about safety of the entire country. >> especially when like six people at the cia were put there by donald trump and everyone else was working there when obama was president. not only this situation, but i think going to be lot of concern about some of the other things he said this past week while in asia, whether it's suddenly being sympathetic to the chinese when it comes to trade imbalance and the fact as margaret pointed out, that all the other countries at this conference were getting together to work on new transpacific partnership and united states on its way to manila. trade is oxly a big concern for both parties for lot of people in this country but the as a matter of fact that the world is working on these things without the united states involved is

going to be seen as intolerable to a lot of americans, certainly lot of folks who work here in washington. >> he believes on his asia tour that he's advancing the quote, unquote, america first 'general d. but actually what you're seeing is the beginning of china first agenda on the part of the united states. to say his withdrawal from the tpp, climate change, trade -- trade issues, he's clearing the field for china's rise which is, again, unprecedented. >> but he would say, indeed he has said, look, if i can get china to help me with north korea, then we'll put some of these second things in order of priority. >> that's his analysis is weak in one sense. china has to deal with north korea for china's sake, not just american interest to box in -- it's china's direct interest. it seems he's negotiating from a place of weakness which is odd given his self described abilities as a premiere negotiator. he's not negotiating from a

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>> dickerson: we continue with our panel. the question of roy moore, amy. what's the predicament for republican leaders? >> the predicament is that roy moore stays in this race, more stories come out, he comes to the -- he wins election, he comes to the senate. and candidates for re-election, incumbent continue to have to figure out to walk this fine line between defending him and i disapprove of his behavior. as its core, john, what we are seeing right now is the partisanship, especially when it comes to voteers is a really powerful drug. and they're going to stick with their party over almost anything else. i think that if this weren't the shoe were on the other foot, you could also see democrats finding a way, democratic voters find

way to rationalize. see voters constantly rationalizing, well, this person may not be great but sure better than the alternative which is the other party. >> dickerson: pivot from the conversation about roy moore to tax cuts. we want the support of the party to get the thing we want. >> you saw tim scott do it, just about every republican do it, all about that. goal to get it done by christmas. they have done all they can do on roy moore. so now it's just left up to them to sort out the tax reform issue. house will take it up, senate will do it by some point in early december. but i tell you, elements of this are starting to feel like the obamacare fight over the summer, where they're rushing the timeline, not explaining it to anybody beyond their base. senate majority leader have to concede that actually, yes, some people's taxes might go up, sorry i misspoke. the economic advisor suggesting the ceos love this he seems to forget who he works for because that guy, entire party ran against big business and helping them out. they're going to do it in this

case. it just -- there are some really tricky details over when certain tax cuts begin, how you pay for it and again, the timetable, idea that this will get done, it's just -- it's not there yet. and i think they know that and they get very worried that things like the roy moore situation distract from it or potentially derails to get it done. >> dickerson: there's the cultural context which is in hollywood, corporate america, even in the press there's a new standard developing on how to take accusations, that standard is, not the standard of, you must have total verifiable proof. what was interesting to me about what mitt romney said they said, we looked at the evidence that the "washington post" put together, this is the verdict we have rendered. that's what seems to be -- there are lot of people who are saying, sticking where roy moore. but this other thing seems to be different and in connection with this other cultural norm. >> on the one hand you have a situation in which there's a growing intolerance and welcome intolerance for this kind of

behavior and sexual misconduct. i think you're seeing that. i think there is recognition on the part of many republican leaders that the "washington post" report was very thorough, solid, done by good investigative reporters. so you have that. on the other hand, i was just thinking about something that amy said which is that, we have to deal with the fact that he could still -- accusations could get worse and he could still win and wind up in the senate. that's not that odd when you consider that the president of the united states, the current president, survived and one despite self-described the "access hollywood," of sexual misconduct, sexual misconduct. on the one hand we do have intolerance for this across different fields and industries, on the other hand you can still succeed in america pretty easily with some really nasty stuff in your background. >> if you believe that the other side is making this stuff up or doing it only for partisan reasons. that is why so many people are sticking with the party because they believe that the other side is lying about what really

happened. >> the "washington post" is actually -- >> dickerson: also bring up bill clinton and they stood behind him. the other thing that i thought was interesting in this case is that roy moore is saying that is the establishment republicans. this is feeding into internal debate within the republican party. >> this is the great irony of where we are in politics now that the establishment has less powers than ever. normally they would be able to find a way to push a candidate like this out. or never let them win a primary in the first place. they can't do that now, yet voters are more partisan than ever. you have that really big divide which is, they're going to stick with their party even though the party leaders are abandoning the person who represents the party. >> dickerson: let me ask you about this week the election, virginia and new jersey, what do we take away from this. >> i looked at one specific area of the country as encouraging for democrats, talk to

congressman brandon boyle who is loyal viewer of this show. he kept -- >> dickerson: love them. >> he looked at delaware and chester county outside philadelphia. democrats there won local and county elections that they hadn't won in more than a century. he said to me, i wondered how much voters would take out their frustration on trump on the republicans in their neighborhood. clearly they did it. because of that, he's convinced now democrats have a far better shot of taking back at least the house next year because they said, there's just too much of that. they ran on economic messages, on local concerns, but the deep rooted concern and anger with the president is there and it was enough for democrats to win in places they hadn't before. >> dickerson: 15 seconds enough for democrats, just we're not trump? >> it is enough. but geographically, the question is, are there enough delaware counties in these congressional districts to flip 24 seats. >> dickerson: we'll have to leave it there. we'll be right back with treasury secretary steven treasury secretary steven mnuchin.

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>> dickerson: republicans are racing to get tax reform passed on capitol hill. president has said he wants a bill by christmas. we turn now to one of the president's men working on that bill, treasury secretary steven mu in which, welcome, mr. secretary. before we get on to taxes i want to ask you question about rush a. you are in charge of carrying out the sanctions against russia through the treasury department for meddling in last year's election, you sat in security meetings. how sit possible then for the president to say that he believes that president putin is sincere when he says he didn't

meddle in the last election? >> first let me say that we are absolutely carrying out the sanctions, that's something we're very focused on. the president has said that he believes in the intelligence, also said that he believes that putin believes what he said. but it's really time to move on off this issue, i think the president was focused on very important issues such as north korea and syria where we have to get along with and have common goals with russia. that's what's really important right now. >> dickerson: there's no ambiguity about this issue from your standpoint in terms of rush interfering with the elections? >> what i say i've seen information, i'm not going to comment on any of the confidential information i've seen. we are carrying out the sanctions. let me be clear. nobody thinks this has had any impact on the elections. so whatever occurred there was no impact. so i think the american public is ready to move on to more important issues, tax reform and foreign policy and national security. >> dickerson: i just think on national security front people

think this is an enemy we should believe with them as such. the sebate bill came out this week, corporate tax breaks are very important to the president, don't phase in until 2019 is that a problem? >> the good news is, both the house and senate bill have the absolute same objectives. i think we're looking forward to this week, house passing the bill. obviously we would prefer if they kicked in sooner rather than later but we're going to work with the senate on that issue and one of the things that's very important, even if they don't kick in, expensing will kick in right away so companies will be able to take advantage of expense at a higher tax rate. but i'm confident that this is one of the issues that when we get to conference we'll resolve between the house and the senate. >> dickerson: is there an economic if the corp pratt tax breaks don't kick in faster, you suggestedded it might hurt the market, hurt growth, what is the economic impact if they don't kick in faster? >> i commented if we don't get tax reform done but i'm highly

confident we'll get it done. you see that in the market. as it relates to the specific impact of one year, we're studying that carefully. again, there's offsetting affects in both directions. >> dickerson: you ran tout to california to make the pitch for tax cuts, you met with the wealth management group, here is what the ceo had to say in the national review. the deep challenge in getting tax reform done is that the government spends too much money and no including president the wants to tackle that. what is your response? >> that's not an issue we're focused on right now but we are focused on regulation, we are focused on kind of the two for one getting rid of two regulations and president has an executive order that has us looking at efficiencies across the administration. >> dickerson: here is the worry of not being focused on the deficit that, a, republicans have been for long time, curious why they wouldn't be as focused. b, deficit aren't addressed the growth that you hope will happen won't happen because of the drag on the economy. >> well, the president is concerned about the debt. we've gone from ten trillion to

20 trillion under the last administration that's concerning. but our number one focus right now is on growth. if we can create 3% or higher sustained economic growth that's over 2.5 trillion dollars of additional revenue the government, 10 trillion of additional revenue to the economy. that's what's critical to the american public. >> dickerson: so there's obviously a lot of dispute about that growth number particularly with this drag from the debt that that growth can be achieved. one of your predecessors, obviously a democrat, larry summers, had some tough words about that, those growth assumptions, he said i'm not aware of so irresponsible estimate coming from treasury secretary in the last 50 years. what's your response? >> larry has been quite outspoken as a previous secretary treasure irrelevant. we have full transparency on the numbers. we have economist, is that come out, most of them agree with us. the break even is 5 basis points for us to have -- i just commented the obama administration they were

projecting 4% and higher gdp. i find it somewhat amusing now that we're projecting 3% that all these people who projected higher are coming out and criticizing us. >> dickerson: let me ask you about wages. one of the theories that the corporate tax rates come down, wages go up because money is -- i talked to trump voter in new hampshire who said that she believed the president would put pressure on corporations to make sure they turn the benefits of tax reduction into wages. that was something he might do? >> the president and i literally met with thousands of business people on the campaign. and we heard the same thing. give us a competitive system in terms of taxes and regulation and american business will compete better than anyone in the world and bring back trillions of dollars and create more jobs here. >> dickerson: do you think he will weigh in say with carrier and other companies? >> of course he will. dickerson: let moo ask s ask you about lobbyist, the president said he wanted to drain the swampish washington, what instruction has he given

you in putting this package together to keep lobbyists influence out of process? s. >> again i'm not concerned about lobbyists, we've reached out to many trades groups to get lots of input. lots of people, lots of ceos have had input into this. but this is all about growth. and this is about a economic program that i've had the opportunity to work with the president since the campaign and we're focused. we're so excited to get this done and to the president's desk in december. >> dickerson: no special instruction about lobbyists getting them out of this process? >> i haven't had any lobbyists really involved with us, we've had trade groups that we have listened to input but i'm not concerned about lobbyists at all. >> dickerson: thanks for being with us, we'll be back in a moment.

>> dickerson: earlier understand week we traveled to the foundry restaurant in manchester, new hampshire, sat down with a small group of trump voters assembled with the help of ugov on the one-year anniversary of the election. we wanted to see if he was living up to their expectations. some responses were as we anticipated but some surprised us. >> been one year since donald trump was elected president, who here by show of hands think the

country is doing better now than it was a year ago? all six of you. why do you think country better now? >> the economy remains strong that's very important. job growth has been good. we haven't had too many major conflicts in city nationally, lot of things brewing, overall a stable year which is good. >> dickerson: diane, why is this year better with donald trump as president? >> i agree with most of that. and also i think he's doing a lot of things behind the scenes that most people don't know about. a lot of them are raising restrictions to make business better and i think that he is doing something about immigration but seems to be very slow. >> dickerson: would you like to see him go faster on immigration? >> yes. dickerson: what does that mean? building the wall? >> the wall.

and consensus like to have all of the illegal aliens go home. >> i think that the -- doing better financially, stock market is going up but i also think that it's because a lot of things that haven't been put into place like tax reform. >> dickerson: it's better when the stock market goes up. >> everybody feels better. because it pumps more money into the economy when it comes right down to it. but a strong economy a strong economy for everybody. it does trickle down. i know lot of people don't like that trickle down, but it has to come from somewhere. >> dickerson: have you felt the benefits of the trickle down, either this past year or in general? >> no, i haven't. dickerson: who here thinks that congress is responsible for making things better in the last year, by show of hands? is there way to show your hand going down?

who has a particularly -- none of you think congress is contributing to america -- do you or don't? >> i don't. i think that they have become so entrenched with each other and everybody -- they can't get anything done. it's not democrats or republicans, everyone. >> dickerson: peter, why donald trump is a negotiator why can't he get congress to come in line with what he wants? >> well, i think that the way things work in washington is a lot different than in the business world. i would venture a guess that this is something that trump has had to adjust to. seems like it's been a difficult adjustment. >> dickerson: what do you feel about people in congress, work for constituents or work for donald trump, if they're republican? >> they ought to follow their party platform and from whatever stems from that. we have a majority -- the g.o.p. has majority in congress, senate and the presidency.

they're not working together. it's sham shameful. it destroys the party in my view, creates more independence. >> dickerson: again what's most unfair criticism of the president? >> that he's a bully. dickerson: why that unfair to say he's a bully? >> how people perceive him. some people say he's a bully other people say he's more aggressive or showing his power. don't get the level of where he is without some kind of aggressiveness or people perceive as being a bully. he's obnoxious, i still like h him. >> dickerson: enid, who should your kids look up to in-culture? >> really not very many people to look up to. what i was thinking is that, the

divisiveness, trump supporters, nontrump supporters all the hate that we were talking about, talking about being sort of fleshed into the community. it seems to me like that's what is going on in congress. >> dickerson: who is the moral leader in america? does america have a moral leader? >> right now, no. when i think back when i was younger, looked up to eisenhower. i personally liked kennedy. really don't have that cut and dried person any more. when reagan was in office, people looked up to him. we haven't had that. >> dickerson: as trump supporter you're not listing the president in that same category when you name moral leaders who have been president. >> no. because -- he's just -- i

wouldn't say lacking moral but he's not -- he's not leading like that, like a moral leader. >> dickerson: do you think president trump has helped foster a sense of community in america or -- auto. >> he's made it much worse. i think that any kind of cultural renewal that happens will not be done in any reference to him. it has to happen between people. the past -- >> dickerson: the past presidents have brought nations together why can't president trump do that? >> he's a funny case. like he just will lie or like make things up for the affect it has on other people. that's not a way that -- a good person lives hire life. that's what happens when you're trying to defeat someone else. that's what he's trying to do. >> dickerson: should we, terry, start looking at our presidents just take out -- being truthful,

should we absent that say, heyf they're effective that's okay. >> i'm thinking about the president should be a moral and spiritual and intellectual leader for the nation, not for the religious part of the nation or the educational part of the nation. but he's supposed to protect and preserve the country. >> dickerson: tom, does the president tell the truth and if he doesn't does that bother you? >> it does bother me. i think we are much better nation where people tell the truth. we're a much better community when they tell the truth. it's very frustrating. one of the big knocks on the president that he can't seem to keep his ego in check and the lies under control. one of personally one of my biggest frustrations with him. he's in a very serious role, he needs to act presidential and step it up. it's been almost a year and i'm hoping that he will turn the corner soon. because he's going to start losing his supporters at some point. >> dickerson: you voted for him.

is your vote up in the air now? >> absolutely. i really thought we'd be further along by now. i thought he would have turned that corner early on, that hasn't happened. i am disappointed overall and to be interesting in three years or less when we start seeing who is running for office next time. >> dickerson: do you have any advice for the president? >> so, i feel like the president, he's detrimental to what he's trying to do. i don't feel like he's trying to manipulate people doing it on purpose or whoever said that. i feel like he is weak, that's a sign of weakness he knows he shouldn't be tweeting these things. it worries me because he says he's a smart person. but it's clear to everybody that this is not helping him and to me, i would think, the whole reason voting with him he believed he was going to surround himself with the right people. and i'm pretty sure the people

around him are telling him that, he needs to stop doing this. >> dickerson: do you think he doesn't listen to the people who surround him? >> yes. that's what worries me. east either not as smart as he says he is or how i want to believe he is. or he's just not listening to these people because i'm sure they're telling him that. if he's not listening to them, it does worry me. of what might happen in the future, might not listen to them. >> dickerson: we'll be back in a >> dickerson: we'll be back in a moment. im i switched to geico and got more. more savings on car insurance? yeah bro-fessor, and more. like renters insurance. more ways to save. nice, bro-tato chip. that's not all, bro-tein shake. geico has motorcycle and rv insurance, too. oh, that's a lot more. oh yeah, i'm all about more, teddy brosevelt. geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more.

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>> dickerson: this week was one your an verse of presidential election that turned out differently than many observers expected. in the news business, it has been a year of discussion about what we missed. hopefully this is led to humility and improvement. few are breaking news alerts for day-old news, fewer peek-a-boo headlines that don't pay off when read the story and more explanation and better reporting that helps people understand the world around them.

but the anniversary of the unexpected outcome was also an echo of the unexpected outcomes of the presidential elections of 1824, 1948, 1980 and 2000. all reminder that the very nature of the news business is surprise. the news is what surprises us. it's why journalism is called the first draft of history. embedded in journalism is is the facts that the story will change, human events are complex and understanding evolves. in the last year there has been a fight over this fact, a fight over the nature of meaning, those who would like to control information try to use the changing nature of recording human events to raise doubts about all reporting on human events. that way they can clear the market to peddle their story without competition and label anything they don't like as fake news. this is an age-old conflict in america between a free press working to gather facts and explanations. and the government which prefers

people believe their story because it's more efficient that way. but working out the truth of the things is messy. several shifting versions is confusing but that's a feature not a bug. it's the pluralism we call democracy. that's it for us today. thanks for watching on this veterans' day weekend our thanks go out to all of you who serve the country and to your family. until next week for "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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