captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: today on face the nation it's beginning to look a lot like christmas here in washington as republicans appear to have the voteh tax bill this week giving president trump president trump his christmas wish. >> we have athis is going to be of the grém#keat income. >> dickerson: we'll take look at winners and losers in the tax to treasury secretary st will help the rich and hurt the middle class. veryare becoming much more wealthy while the middle class continues to shrink shrink. and your solution is to give 62% of the benefits to the top >> dickerson: we'll ask him and what the next step is for democrats' stunning alabama. we'll also talk to oklahoma republican senator james of the intelligence committee which is the investigation into possiblee russia we'll also have plenty of analysis on all the news of the week and look ahead to next. plus how the tax bill might

impact you it's all ahead on "face the nation." good morning, welcome to "face th i'm john dickerson. in the home stretch.ll be moves to the senate.int it looks like republhicans have enough votes to pass it. one s.5 trillion tax cut roughly doubles the standard deduction fo it cuts individual tax rates, the top income bracket drops from 9.6 to 37%. the corporate tax rate decreases, too, it goes from 35 to 21%. the bill eliminates the obamacare ban mate with long to purchase health care. it could result in 1 million more people becoming uninsured. child tax credit is doubled to $2,000. qualifying goes up to $500,000 and 1400 of the credit will be refundable for those whose income is so lowey don't pay income tax.rest deduction is capped at 750,000 and deduction for state and local taxes is sha u.k. to $so,000. according to the congressional

budget office and joint committee on taxation it will add) $1.6 trillion to the debt. and we bee gibb today with treasury secretary steve welcome, mr. secretary. let me ask you a question about priorities in this. throughout the discussion about this tax bill it's been clear the corporate rate is>z going to drop significantly, all the way to 21% at thetf for middle class they do get a tax cut. but for a president whoj: dedicated his esidency to the who ran as populous is the waiting -- weighting here correct? >> absolutely. first of all let me just say this is a people said we wouldn't get this done. we're on the ve getting this done. biggest change to the tax system ever that president trump is going to sign. his priori has been fixed a b over 90% of be able out their taxes on a postcard. the corporate tax rate going from the highest in the 35% to 21% competitive. more important we fix a system where we now tax on u.s. income,

which is all about creating u.s. dollars back on shore. >> down. president said wealthy won'tt 39.6 to 37 nowthat balance is for ho live in high stateates.'p again to this question of priorities mark lina from a truth in advertising sand point it simpler justñú acknowledge reality on this bill. which isuun and restructuring bill, period. what's your response? >> not the case at all. pass throughs have the lowest rates that they ever had since the 1930s that's a huge part of engine of growth of small and medium-sized businesses. that are going to lots of jobs. this is about hard working families that are going to see starting in february, tax cuts. we're already working at the irs to updatex forms and update the tax charts. they're going to seetheir paychecks inruary.the question, it's not that the middle class will bet no tax cuts they will. but the size of the tax cut relative to the emphasis and size of what corporations will get through.

not every middle class family has a pass through, obviously. tom cole republican oklahoma told cnbc justas talking about the lack help with payroll taxes or theot fact that the cxh loophole remains. he sd just off if populous victories in there. president ran asq5(t are's just not as much for the middle class not that they get nothing but that the emphasis is skewed. >> i think that is just correct. people are going to see this in their paychecks. this is about the middle class, this is workinges. this is about child tax credits that are g as you mentioned refundable parts of the tax cr up significantly. people are going to see their paychecks go up. people are going wages go up, that's that this is all about. >> dickerson: how soon do you think argument yo corporations, tax is lower, it on to workers in their wages. and then also money on plants and equipment are, how soon? >> this year. you already see the stock at record highs. you see people's 401(k) up substantially.'s not wages. >> no. i'm just saying you already see

companies in market. so you're going trillions of dollars come back i think you're going to see this year, wages goingkerson: because kevin, the chairman of the council of economic advisors, said on this question to pass this on to the to the optimistic vied of the literature it could take three to five years. you go to the pessimistic side that. that's optimistic being sold as big ch really this benefit that will pass on in wages and plants and equipment, kevin, the president chairman of the economic advisors says three to five years in the best case. fivehis 4500. but see it right will go in overw@a three years as kevin >> dickerson: for something being soldages are going to go up, happy days are here again, happy days even in the best case scenario obviously there's lot of debate ab will even turn out even in best case three to five years for broad shared middle the theory this isthe case at all. you're going to see happy days starting inz february. where hard working families sees that they have more money. absolutely critether from $2,000 to

$4,000 medium families with two kids. this i>z9is going to have a huge impa going to have a huge away. >> dickerson: difference between what people see in their taxes going down versus the paychecks. let economy think question. theresident -- another thing he campaigned on central to his swamp get rid of special interests. public citizen reports that lobbyists have to disclose things they're working on. 624 lobbyists have work on than half obbyists in washington worked on this. for a president who promised to drain the swamp, thatm seems like wotaxes. >> w it was up to the president there would be a lot fewer of them. the reason why there's so people working on it is we've touched almost every single part of the tax code so -- this case? >> absolutely.he massive changes to this, webroken taxhat this is all about. >> dickerson: tom cole talks about carried interestthe pres1oo:ident said that let hedge fund managers get away with ford, it's been tweaked a little bit still in there. why was that worth keeping?

>> that was up to the house and senate. the president likes the overall bill, there's obviously little parts of this bill that he would have tweaked differently himself. the fact t it's moved from three years is definitely a step in the right directd the fact that it impacts a lot of small real estate developers, but as the president couldn't get every single little detail he wanted. that was one ofhat got left o >> dickerson%a: okay. thjyk]at's it. we're out of time. i appreciate -- >> nice to see you.s. we're joined now by vermont independent senator bernie burlingtonooks it's going to get passed through the senate house and signed by the president the tax cut bills there anything more than opponents like you could have done to stop this? >> well i think we did everything that we could. but at the end of the day what you had is people like mr. mnuchin who is worth00 million. the president of the united states who is wort several billion dollars as you mentioned from four thousand

lobbyists doing everything they could to write a bill which wealthiest peopl and the largest corporations. latest analysis that we have seen suggests that benefits go to 5%. my guess is that 60% of the will go to the top 1% and at the end of the decade because the benefits for thele class are temporary, while the corporate benefits are permanent, at the end of the decade over half of the middle class will be paying more are seeing here a real massive attack on the middley is that if you listen to what the house, talking about what he is saying isat as a this bill the deficit will golars. and what ryan in my view will come back are massive cuts ecurity,ndn order tocit. massive tax brea cuts to social security this is a grossly unfair tax bill. >> dickerson: i wouldn't get tothe entitlements in just a moment on that question of the middle class, what thehat cuts expire for middle class

but knowinics as they do that nobody is going t hat them expi they will be capped. that seems the way washington works. is it really fair to say ahead. >> they are. the way this bill is written is breaks for corporations are now permanent, why weren't the tax breaks for middle class made permanent because it has to do with the priorities of the legislation. and their job is to represent multi-national corporations not working families.e are today. >> dickerson: let me ask you, lot of talk about politiis thes take and you caucus with the democrats, what is the promise to america about what will be done toe so unhappy with? >> look at time of passion sieve income and wealth, people on top, large corporations are doing well our job is to pay attention to the needs of working families. we talk about aild care credit in this bill. truth is that depending where you live in america, good quality child care can cost$12-20,000 a year. our job is to move to universal

child care so that every working family in this country knows have good quality care. right now john, this is quite unbelievable. while the republ spending all of their time providing massive tax br the rich that there has been no discussion, public discussion drea of dreamers 800,000 youn in america are gojing to lose their shortly. what about the program. nine million kids wille their health insurance.let me get to that that.xes going up if >> i think we'll take a very hard look at this tax bill and mak it a tax bill that works for thñúe middle for top 1% and large multi-national corporns. >> dickerson: there's no question that in order to achieve all of the things you want, taxes are going to have to go up on corporations if they're down to this you can't find the money anywhere where else. >>absolutely yes. view abso >> dickerson: let's go on to the budget and spending question. is the republicans democrats have said medicare will have toe cut because of the costalled pay-gosay democrats will waive those rualways waived so it's a false attack to say that

they're ing to bematic cuts nor medicare. your response? >> no, it is not a false attack john. simply l the house has said. and what he has said is, after they do the tax bill the next order of business so-called entitlement reform. and please when republican aboutement ta massive cuts to medicare medicaid and thlion dollar cut to medicaid, diwho have loved ones homes, for children and for working on -- this what they have already going to cô medicare and medicaid. >> dickerson: its that's slightly different than following through on restrictions created which they say let me ask you about spending bill, keep the government open what is your message to democratic leaders about how tough -- how and what they should fight for in terms of funding the government >> look right now it is nothe middle

class is hurting. republicans have been unable to reauthorize for example, the community health cen program providing health care to 27 million americans. the programs the children's health insurance have ignored foronths the chip program for nine million children in this country has not been funded. we have in pensions in this c a half hard working people who are promised their pensions are going to see their pensions reduced by 50 or 60%. we ha rural infrastructu crisis get -- we have 30,000 vacancies in the veterans administr have not been filled. our job street to take of the needs working families and the middle class not just worry about the 1%. so, i believe that as we talk about the new spending bill, those are the issuesço. we must dem republicans. dickerson: we're out of time, senator, thanks for being with us, we'll be back in one minute. is a power plant.

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to the debt. why then is this a bill you can support? >> actually all the independent analysis doesn't note that. join on tax does note that, but the tax foundation doesn't. there's a lot of others. we have 130 different sets of economists that are out there part of the challenge is always looking at which one is righ them are forecast out there.of them have different numbers. we have some as growth, we have some as low as growth is how much economic growth is in the bill do reform try reduce taxes on in they have more money to spend, they can spend that money s we know it will grow now the guess is how much. >> dickerson: that's right. the tax foundation is around 500 billion to the debt, majority of independent analysis shows even larger. that bet you're making is isn't there a big downside risk that you've talked about throughout your career which is that the negative effects of increased you're trying to create? >> absolutely. the biggest issue that would have if we have accelerating debt is the iss continued

investment from the federal government into more and more interest payments. we have to get the economy growing to get on top of this. we've said for years the debt is so large only way to be able to get on top of this debt and deficit is growing economy and limiting your spending. we've limited spending over last several years, it's been very small ing built the economy is also beenat the last decade. we've not had a decade like the last decade since is the 1940s. so, we have got to get the economy growing again we're not growing again. we never do get on top of the debt and deficit without that. so you're right. this is something that's designed to be able to energize the economy, it should work, a lot of p and examined independently say it will work. the focus for us says let's get this >> dickerson: if that doesn't work you'll have compounded problems, when you talk aboutn what you've seen from the way this tax bill put together intellectual rig or, the timing and pacing, do you have confidence that spending reductions can be done in methodical and sensible way that will actually create good policy or that will create a rush that might create more

problems? >> no, i don't think it's going to create more problems. this tax bill itself has been over a year in the works. in fact if you go back to the original draft of it about three years ago the house released that proposal on tax reform ins year, white house early in the summer, this is not been a rush process, this has been 12 months in the making and hearings over the past year and leading back to earlier work that was done several. i know that the theme of this has been it's been rushed because lot of haven't started paying attention until the very end. but the process has beenong an methodical. the flip side is side we have budget bill to take care of that, i've had great frustration with budget process. the budget process was 1974 it's only worked four times, i've been one of several to be able to say over and over we've got to fix the way we do budget process. we'll never get ahold of our spending until we do. >> dickerson: well that's the big question remains from a got to switch to talk about intelligence community and work you're doing. you've looked at this question

of rush russian interference in the election are the russians still interfering and how are we going to protect the next election? >> there's no doubt the russians not only engaged in our past election but still trying to find ways to be able to that. we've noted several ways publicly in the last couple of months that they're still engaging in social media trying to stir up the united states controversies. i compare it to, if you got two nd that are in a fight there's always somebody on the edge screaming "fight fight, fight. trying to bring a bigger crowd it to. that's what the russians are trying to d. they're not starting it just trying to addthe flame. the key thing that needs fob done is bill that is actually bipartisan bill to be able to finalize hopefully this week to be able to drop election secusority helping states protect their own election security. was much too slow and homeland security were much too slow in notifying our states last time that the russians were trying to probe election systems. have to do that faster and help states have a good reliable auditable election system that they can actually do themselves and that federal government and

that all states can thrust those election results. >> dickerson: about tax that release fred investigator on the mueller team. what is your opinion about those referred to insurance policy, debate about that text and what exactly was meant by it. how serious do you think this is in the context of the larger investigation that you know something about? >> i think it's serious. any time you have investigator within investigation has obvious political bias whichever direction, it's clear this individual within the mueller team that was also on the clinton e-mail investigation team on the fbi, in their leadership had a strong bias against now president trump when he was candidate trump and was very clear about that. when that was discovered by the mueller team they fired him, promptly so, took him off of that team. but that is a big consideration. we expect justice department to be blind and be fair to all sides not have a clear political bias and express it so strongly. >> dickerson: but given

mueller took him off the investigation do you think this taints the larger project he's doing since you know the scope of that larger project? >> it's very serious to have someone inside, what they have to determine was he directing the investigation one way or the other while he was on the investigation, is that something they can repair and look and see if there's anyño bias. obviously i don't think it taints the entire process but certainly taints that season of it something should look at with any political investigation that he was we want our fbi agents to be neutral to be nonpolitical, not ve politically. >> dickerson: all right, senator lankford, thank for being with us. >> thank you. dickerson: we'll be back in a moment. even a swing set standoff. and we covered it, july first, twenty-fifteen. talk to farmers.

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for "wall street journal." i've been reading everything that you've writing. let's start just with the winners and losers at end of the day here. who are they? >> in the big picture the winners are corporations. you talked about before corporate rate go from 35% to 21% that's real big win for kind of companies that have been paying close to that level. domestic retailers: pass-through businesses also win under this those are partnerships s corporations for a lot they will get 20% discount on their tax rate. they pay individual rates now, still will, but have deduction. then as secretary mnuchin talked about, middle los angeles household especially households with children will have tax cuts see those in paychecks in february and tax return they file in april of 2019. those tax cuts are temporary they expire at the end of 2025 so that is something that i'm sure congress will fight over for the next eight years or so. >> dickerson: secretary al 90 or able tord one of the big goals

simplification. >> what he's talking about the income of people who would be able to move from itemizing to the standard deduction. right now about 70% of people take standard deduction this will push that up closer to 90% because standuction will be larger and fewer itemized deductions that cap on state and local income taxes, will limit that. this doesn't mean everyone filing on a postcard. simpler for those marginal itemizer like people who itemize now and won't under the new system, it will be simpler but some of those people in that group might actually end up paying more, it will be easier to keep track of your deductions your ultimate tax bill might end up being higher. that is a trade off -- i don't know if that is a trade off you want to make. >> dickerson: and work that you have to do before you get it on the card. ah, look when you talk simpler system this sim police fee really about what is a child that is eligible for tax credit calculate earned tax credit for low income families that is still complicated.you can have simple form but

behind that is a whole bunch of definitions and work sleets. >> dickerson: on corporate side and pass-through side there were lot of claims about things that were going to be removed from the code is there sim police fee tee on those two parts of the story? >> the business side of the tax code complicated because the world is complicated, you have to figure out what -- how you should treat capital expenses. there some some simplicity there in the sense that we've got complicated depreciation schedules, at least for the first five years, companies can write off investments right away. that is a buck simplification getting rid of the corporate alternative minimum tax that is simplification. but international divisions are new p&and novel and will take lot of tool time for companies to figure out. same with pass-through who is eligible for that break and who is not. there's going to be lot of work for tax accountants and lawyers in the days ahead. >> dickerson: what did you make of covering that process? give us your narrative story of how this went from originalat were made about e final stage we're

in here now? >> say think what we saw is a lot of those original promises ones we saw during the campaign in 2016 and early part of 2017, a lot of them happened but lot of them -- get jettisoned as reality needing to the failure year i don't underestimate how much that changed the republican mindset ss. it went from we need to pass our plan to need question to pass som. desire to get to the lawmakers was high. you had things like, repealing estate tax, repealing alternative minimum tax for individuals. putting it in three tax brackets instead of seven, none of those things happened. they were making it revenue neutral not adding to the deficit which they talked about earlier in the year. they just pushed those things accede, we've got to getthing done and this became the art of the possible not the art of the ideal.kerson: at the end of the stage, marco rubio seemed to s moment asked tax credit to beable for those people who don't pay income taxes. first of all, how much o adid his stance

make, what's the difference between what it would have been and what it is now and then just what did you make of that last little pie>> did on policy, proposal in the senate was to allow the child tax credit for 17-year-old, right now capped for 16-year-old. so they kept the version of that. then expanded how much would beable for not the very lowest income families but lower, middle income families. you can think of what took billions of fundraising all 17-year-olds directing them to au lot of lower middle income households. you can judg merits however want. the they were struggling with how to do this, didn't seem like they wanted to take o down bill, they had leverage to do that, but at the last moment they were able to get more. republican leaders did want this in the bill initially they didn't put it in the house bill: or the senate bill. and so that was they the end as part of getting everybody on board. >> dickerson: and another person was senator corker, the bill because of the affect on the deficit and why did he change at the end? >> you know hecally -- his

statement said, i looked at it again i talked to people i realized that it's worth the risk. which is sums up we were talkingo a point, even republican who said he was opposed to it now voting for it because they are just really eager have some sort of accomplishment, something they can point to going into 2018 and mid-term elections, even though this bill sun popular with the public. >> dickerson: fi lobbyist of secretary of treasure resaid defeat for the lobbyists, how did you see their role in this and whether -- there are over 6,000 they got varied interests. since it was such a central and important part of the campaign getting special interests out of the process how do you owe sewell wait that here? >> there's some special interests who lost home builders and realtors really fought to against -- around charities fought against that bigger standard makes incentive to itemize smaller.

they're not happy with the end product. those lobbyists aren't happy. corporate lobbyists who have been pushing for a much lower corporate tax rate for many years for territorial system on foreign income that make it easier nor u.s. companies to earn profits above and bring them home. they are happy this is what they have been g for for a long time they had the magic line up of republicans controlling congress and white house to get it done. >> dickerson: richard rubin thanks for being with us we'lld be right back with our political panel. and an ice plant. but we brought power to the people- redefining what that meant from one era to the next. over 90 years later, we continue to build as america's 3rd largest investor in infrastructure. we don't just help power the american dream... we're part of it. jack and jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water. all because of a burst water pipe in their house

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jl judd. >> dickerson: amy walter is the national editor at the "cook political report." jeffrey goldberg is chief of "the atlantic." we're also joined by "slate" magazine chief political correspondent jamelle and ben dove niche. before we get to policy,rp ben, i want to ask you question about senator mccain who is your father in law. how is he doing? >> well john i'm happy to say that he's doing well. the truth is that as anyone knows whose family has battled cancer or any, are side effects that you have. senator has been through roundhb of chemo he was hosp at walter reed. our thanks to the doctors at nih and walter reed who have been treating him, he's doing well in good spirits, he's looking forward to heading back home to arizona for the holidays, our thanks to everyone who has been sending thoughts and prayers to the sector this week. we greatly appreciateit. he remains one of the toughest men on the face of the earth as you know.

>> dickerson: that we know. send them again, our prayers to him and family. thank you. all right so now to this week let's start with the tax bill, jeffrey is going to , get funded by the president unless something really crazy happens. >> which is not impossible inxf this america. >> dickerson: right. >> you're right probably pass. dickerson: so, give us your sense of that what that means? >> i think broadest political sense, i think that this takes donald trump's pretty bad year and might move it into the not bad category in the following sense. he started his term, first year with a supreme court victory, might end with a tax cut victory, a tax plan victory. a legislative victory might not be possible with a americans, but it counts as a victory. isis, by the way is on its back foot in iraq and syria. if we didn't have all of the noise and craziness russia

investigation, early morning tweeting, all of the race-baiting everything else that is going on you would look at this year and say, you know what, not the worst year fooáf:r a first-year president. it's very interesting to think about it in those terms. >> especially on the economy. which is the economy is doing very swell, people are feelingbetter about it.ñe treasury came about people'sl that have is true ing the way it normally translates to a president. which is the economy well u in power, their approval ratings do well. so where that all je really about the fa that a voters going to focus on the economy that they feel is doing re doing better or focusing on the the presiament, his behavior that they don't like.politically much more on what they don't like about president than what they do like about the t economy.h thee he stock market.lling for this bill is not good. senator mcconnell's argument going to get wet once people

stat tax cut, do you buy that >> time not sure that i do. reminds me quite a bit of the democratic partygument once voters understood the benefits they got they would like the bill. and as it turned out it took a good three or four or five yearsr positive about that law, and theybecame positive about that because of the prospect ofand losing the medicaid expansion. although republican tax billiver some benefit, ansion did that might create the problem with you look at polling so far, ev voters, people would support this kind of tax policy are skeptical. i'm not sure i appreciate senator optimism but i'm not sure it will play out. >> dickerson: ben, your thoughts generally and also playing off of what jamelle was senator sanders said that basically his message is, corporate taxes are going up if democrats get in control. how much do you think that context? >> i think republicans are going to be very confident running on this measure as of their

key signature legislative success in 20128. i think that you will see pick up attitude towards it once they you will actually see paychecks go up. one of the things about this in terms of how unpopular it is that when you simply get past initial numbers it's the people think that they're not going to benefit from it. that they're not going to see benefit that their taxes are going up not down. when people see think pair ch with more money they will have more positive attitude. but the simple fact is that republicans want to be talking abouis democrats are going foe be talking abtting rid of this president and unpopular going to be so many different democrats and frankly base forces who are pushingrning this into beachment electiont this president out offfice. i think it's be democrip would much prefer to be talkingvú abeout, lookat he corporations and things along those lines. about this being apocalypti world, tax scenario are tually cater to what they would like to be talking about ant and extremes direction. >> it seems that the republicansit is impossible to not to say

that the greatest beneficiary in this plan corporations. if you believele then people are benefittinlag. if you don't the democrats haveent weapon.wi takes -- it will take time to get people don't know if you can ever get around to is, that is the topuj( observatio . amy's p all of this interactin environment where voters are quite angry atresident's material benefits inthehere'se's no guarantee that willract with way to produc for the republican party.ickerson: what about momentility, they haven't b stop it through congress, but as a matter to ben's point, this used t butter of the democratic party how to talk to they got someon theyss can use here, whyourzf ultimately use it to make a case to people who already they have talked to equality overall these years.mocrats have going that they're not in th they are theof the:( opposition, it's so much easier party of actually making policy. and what we found these mid-term or early mid-termons and specia what the party has struggled with for2@ the last eight years a their that obamarate excited and

energized. younger f: voters, they co it obama was in the white house you know what is out o2oalition, motivator. and toe the pot aboutut these issues, we're going to see this pnt you argument that this president and republicans said the the same old, same old helping corations. was, do i feel that m of people that are souring on the president living insure it wconomyboard. >> biggest question 2018 i think a learning curve in the white house. if he comes out of thising, wait, i actual traditional republican victory learns to get out of his own wa in then he'sing pretty well headin but this is donald trump we're talking about there's no a return to form at even with traditional way benefit. >> you saw that intr the sense that you have to amy's point, a candidate in doug jones who is more than 90% of what hillary clinton a alabama and what donald

trump achieved. that trump since he got into the white house effectively been offering voters circuses without the breang them the same level ofu entertainment that theyduring the 2016 election without actually delivering on a lot of his populous promises when it came to shifting the way thatñs republican party would you see that totally tax billry traditional it's not au brea approach that you might havedent jeb bush. that is something that satisfies mitch mcconnell and republicanters who said that donald trump was the kind of shift th g.o.p. >> what's interesting that in alabama the voters who td)urned out for roy moore are voters who are this working class, populous out for roy that didn't are suburban voters they4ñ support completely collapsed. there is interesting question o a degree to which the material circumstanceut:+s of these whiteó4m suburban vote alabama and virginia will see for us next year seems to not matter as much for their political choices, they're angry

at donald trump for reasons don't have anything to do with how they're pocketbook. >> right. so amy, could we basically a policy-free 2018 which would be disaster because for democrats they want to drive down the suburban numbers, remind everybody of the most outrageous thing the president did, the base of the democratic party gets energized as you already argued don't they want to keep the5ton donald trump? >> they can make it on donaldump but really they don't have to talk to their base and remind them why th trump. the base isetty clear how they feel about him. making the case thatr the policies that e administration, that republicans in congress passed have been out step withwant to address it whether it's the focus on cox cuts whether it's on theministration and the changes that have been made on issues like the environment, labor standards, et cetera. you can go downist, it's been -- conservatives should be happy. they got a greatda co through, of obama-era

-- >> nothing talking about this because of the circuses but they their 'general d. >> one thing i do also want to say that the focus so much for the president, we story today that president will do more of these. 2016 -- ine l whichoti getting those people natural lesion to vote for him. the challenge is to2t get people who never showeies but ultimately voted for hi vote for him. those people w reluctant trump voters didn't like him in 2016 but disliked hillary was the change candidate she was status quo. thks that are sour. and souring on the president. the number of ra d isn't the challenge. the challenge to jeffrey's point is going back to those peo supporters. progress made without all the other drama. >> dickerson: people5oumó4 said were souring in alabama. ben, republicssing alabama said, we don't think we'll have anybody who is been credibly accused of sexualassault on a childi other republican race. let's not alabama. that makes sense to me. >> to too,.

but i think honestly republicans in the senate wererelief after alaba xma they did not want to be dealing with roy moore, particularly the certain that lot of different staffers shared who were expressing was, once he get here, will we ever be aible g to get rid of him. they didn't feel like they could but the situation here i thinkckñv is one that deserves a little bit more attention than just, we're not going to another race. because there's series of made by a number of different republican way that led to roy v!vmoore. mitch mccome has been of the belief for long time now that there are two kinds of politicians,re are politici likes and there are politicians who will lose. this ignores the third kind which is politicians vghe doesn't like who could win. fact is that if mcconnell had not parach79uted in millions of dollars to new -- conservative in the primary that he very well could have been the nominee in this situation and might be a senator today. now he has his own healthse but i think this is one of those things where mcconnell needs to look hard at sort of challenges

ed to make a choice about do i have a winnable candidate who> dickerson: we'll have tonight it there. we'll be right backish a moment.

ere, too. roy moore lost in alabama and have been ot ripples, change will continue, so far there are 374 women potentially running for the house in next year's election. 305 are democrats. 69 republican. so far there are 42 women exploring a senate run, 28 democrats and 14 republicans. according to the rutgers university center for american women an that's four times as many women challenging house incumbents this time compared to the same period in 2015. and ten times the number of women challenging incumbent senators compared to 2012 and 2014. we're just under 11 months from election day. the door is closing on the era that protected powerful men in washington. and based on these numbers it appears anotheor is opening. we'll be right back.

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