captioning sponsored by cbs >> garrett: today on "face the nation." what's ahead in 2018. president trump is wrapping up a tweet and holiday break in florida and along the way drops some hints about what he wants to get done in the new year. congress has a to-do list also. to fill us in we'll buck with south carolina republican lindsey graham and then four members of the house of representatives. democrats joe crowley of new york and debbie tingle of michigan and two republicans. will hurd of texas and head of the conservative freedom caucus mark meadows of north carolina. in an election year what are their priorities for the 2018 mid terms take over what are the chances of fixing health care, resolving the status of so-called dreamers or getting around infrastructure spending. after the lawmakers have their say our political panel will offer its analysis abouts what's

ahead. then we'll have conversation with best selling author j.d. vance, his book "hillbilly elegy" gave america a candid look at our part of the country that turned the election for president trump still hopes he delivers it's all ahead on "face the nation." good morning, welcome to "face the nation." john is off today, i'm major garrett. 2018 is already arrived spin parts of the world, here in the u.s. americans are getting ready to ring in the new year despite extremely cold temperatures in some parts of our country. security has been increased as you might expect at new year's celebrations across the country. but with temperatures expected to be in single digits or very low double digits in places like times square, record cold could be more likely than record crowds. we've got lot to get to today but we want to take note of the situation in iran. anti-government protests continue for the third day.

these are the largest demonstrations in the country in almost ten years. two protesters were killed. we begin with republican senator lindsey graham he joins us from clemson, south carolina, where i suspect one or two residents have rooting interest in tomorrow night's sugar bowl. senator, great to have you with us, get straight to the situation in iran. what is the import of the demonstrations and what should um president trump do or say about them? >> it tells us that the obama approach of removing sanctions hoping the regime would moderate has failed. the people are not getting benefit of sanction relief they're more upset. the money from sanction relief haas gone into rebuilding the iranian military and destabilizing the mid east. if i were president trump i would have nationwide address pretty soon explaining why the iranian nuclear deal is a bad deal for the world, what a better deal would look like and urge congress and european

allies to get a better deal with iran before it's too late. >> garrett: the purpose of that national address would be to take note of this moment and put the united states four square on behalf and behind those people protesting in the streets? some have said that would be the wrong thing to do because that would give the regime an enemy to point at, us again. >> that was the obama approach. if i were trump i'd do the exact opposite of obama. he said i don't want to get involved, i don't want to mess up the chance of getting that deal with iran, the deal with iran hasn't worked. the money didn't to go benefit the people, it went to benefit ayatollah and henchmen. the people are not our enemies, eye tola is the enemy of the world. here is what i would do it's not enough to watch. president trump system tweeting very sympathetically to the iranian people. but we just couldn't tweet here, has to layout a plan, i'd layout

a plan as to how i would engage the regime. i would tell the europeans and congress and the world that america is going to withdraw from this agreement unless it's a better deal. i'd layout what a better deal would look like, i would stand with the iranian people the entire time. >> garrett: have you conveyed this personally to the president? >> i just did. >> garrett: very good. sometimes you can do that by phone i'm just curious. north korea, you've said recently that if there is another missile test or you can weapons test in north korea 70% probability we will attack north corey a.70%. that's a higher risk level than anyone i've talked to on that issue, why is it so high? >> i said if there's a nuclear weapons test that goes from 30% to 70%, a lot of time with president trump. he made the decision early on to deny the north korean regime the capability to hit america with a

nuclear-tip missile. there are two things key have done. given them the capability to hit america and tell them if you ever use it i'm going to blow you off the map, that's called containment. he rejected that idea because you can't contain north korea. they will fail anything they make if they don't use it. he's in the camp of denial. he's told the north koreans i will deny you the capability to hit america with a nuclear-tip missile if they test another bomb they're closer to having that capability. >> as last resort i will use more force to stop you. now, iranians are watching us and north korea. north korea is watching us in iran. 2018 will be a year of opportunity and extreme danger. the president has drawn a line in nort north core telling the e i'll never let you hit america with a nuclear-tip missile, if i have to i'll use military force to up to. iranians are watching how he he earn gauges with north korea. we have chance here to deliver

some fatal blows to really bad actors in 2018. but if we blink, god help us all. >> garrett: what i hear you saying is 20181 the year of preemptive strikes. >> the year to deny north core preat capability to hit the homeland. sanctions will never work completely without the threat of credible military force. how do you change a man's behavior who selling to kill his own family, torture his own people to stay in power. he's living large and he could kill us about -- only way he'll change his behavior if he beliefs that donald trump would use military force to destroy his regime and iranians are watching how trump works with north korea. you'll ask highway my relationship has evolved with the 39. it's evolved because he is president of the united states, he beat me like a drum, i want to help him like i can. there's a lot on this man's plate. >> garrett: what have you learned about him that makes him different and someone you want to work with and can work with

than he was when you said he was unfit for office and quite possibly a cook. >> i said everything i could, seen phobic bigot i ran out of adjectives. the american people spoke. they rejected my analysis. i worked with president obama where i could. and president bush even though i supported senator mccain. i got to know him better, he asks a lot of good questions. he's made good foreign policy choices. he's got the right policy to deny north corey is hit america with a now on the side of the iranian people. but has to do more than watch. he actually has to act r act. i would withdraw from the nuclear agreement with iran next year if it's not made better by the congress and our european allies. >> garrett: i'll give you two minutes and three topics. health care, daca, how is senator mccain? >> senator mccain is in rehab. he's coming back in january.

we need his voice now more than ever. health care, there's a debate in federalism and socialism. i don't know of one republican who wants to repair obamacare. i don't know one democrat who wants to replace it. we're not going to come together on healthcare. on daca, they is a deal to be had, the dreamers can have the life they dreamed of if the democrats and republicans can give. we need the wall. not a complete 2200 mile wall. we need border security. marry that up with the dream act. there's a deal to be had on immigration i want to do it in january. i don't want to wait until march. >> garrett: that was lightning round. you did spectacular job. "new york times" reported this week that george popadopoulos a foreign policy advisor to the trump campaign has a booze-filled encounter with australian diplomat, that's where this whole investigation began. not the dossier. you asked for special counsel to look into the dossier, its evolution and import.

what does the "new york times" reporting tell you about that story does it make you want to back away from your request for a special counsel into the dossier matter? >> the dossier, i want somebody to look how the department of justice handled the dossier. as to the rush investigation, i don't think it hurts our country to look at what russia did in our election. as a matter of fact it would hurt us if we ignored it. there's no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and russians yet. but it would be op toe -- up to mr. mule tore make that decision. some democrats want to impeach the president. he's denied any collusion. mr. mueller to do his job without interference, i want somebody to look at the way the department of justice used this dossier, it bothers me greatly the way they used it i want somebody to look at it. 2018, this investigation will go forward, it will be an investigation conducted without political influence. president needs to focus on his day job. i need to focus on being a senator all need to let

mr. mueller do his job. the right guy at that time the right time. >> garrett: lindsey graham, happy new year. thank you very much. look what's hon 2018 congressional agenda we're joined by group of house members not one, but four all who ham back to town. two republicans, congressman mark meadows from north carolina. chairman of the conservative group in the house known as freedom caucus. his colleague will hurd from texas our democrats this morning, congresswoman debbie tingle from michigan and joe crowley. happy new year. i want to go around the table very quickly with a opening question. debbie, start with you. what do you consider the most important agenda item for congress from your perspective and what will 2018 look like outside of politics in a successful year? >> i think we've got to try to work with each other because there are lot of things we've got to deliver for the american people. i don't say that i'm not going to work with anybody.

we have to get a budget passed in january and make it long term. but there are so many other subjects we have to worry about pension, health care, i've been in the hospital with my husband, i can't not tell you how many people crying and scared to death and daca. >> garrett: your husband is former congressman,. >> he's okay, stubborn, otherrary and twittering. >> garrett: good combination. >> one thing. there's more than one thing. concerned about major issue for us, the dreamers, the daca issue. the issue of puerto rico and virgin islands making sure that those americans are made whole. also the other piece of this is fight against, that is privatization of social security, it's going to be medicare and medicaid, that's on the block to our republican. mark meadows and others have

also teed that up as well. very concerned about. >> garrett: will hurd? >> national security. as you know i spent nine and half years as under cover officer in the cia you led off the show talking about iran. it's a real threat to the rest 69 world. this is something that we can get together as republicans and democrats and support and work together on. we need to make sure that european allies and germany and france and england are following trump's lead and showing that they support the iranian people. we need to make sure that we're showing the rest of the world what's really happening in iran because iranian government is trying to shut down the internet, trying to stop people from talking because there is a proxy war going on right now between iran and our allies saudi arabia and israel and that can become a hot war. that is going to be dangerous for everybody. we've been focusing a lot on north korea as long as two countries are talking, the fact that we are in direct conversation with north korea

something that hasn't been highlighted, proxy war turning into a hot war something that we have to be worried about. >> garrett: do you agree that the president should give national address son this and something, speaking of your past life, covertly? >> there is plenty of time to talk about how this -- what this means for the iran deal. but the first step is to show that we're united in supporting the iranian people and their ability to peacefully protest. written in the constitution that people can peacefully protest. we should be supporting that, we should be encouraging our allies to ensure that the iranians are allowing that. if they crackdown and these two deaths are because of iranian security officials, because of the irgc, if we allow this to continue that's where we should be talking about sanctions because these are human rights abuses, we should be unified, show the people we stand with them. >> garrett: mark meadows? >> i think it's about what matters on main street.

we need to continue to grow the economyf we look at 2017, historic from standpoint of tax reform, consumer confidence and 17-year high. we've got a stock market that is creating wealth again. going beyond that, though, what we need to make sure is that we build on the success. we've got a president that actually made unbelievable foreign policy decision that i support. moving the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem, something that he'll be defined for centuries as the only president who was willing to take the fortitude to do this. we've got to build on those successes. i think what we will see is a real push to make the tax cuts for individuals permanent. i think you'll see a vote on that in the first 30 days of this new year. for those moms and dads on main s. i think the other part that have that you'll see is, that there's going to be a real battle over what do we grow?

do we grow the economy or do we grow government? right now, i can tell you, does not look well. it looks like we're going to spend more money on growing the government in january than perhaps the biggest amount of money that we spent since the obama sim my husband plan. >> garrett: to break that down foreread yens to pass budget, to reach the deficit -- defense spending threshold the president has outlined, democrats will ask republicans and to raise the domestic caps as well. without democratic support of the senate you can't pass a budget. how is that go go to be resolved? >> i think the real question is what is probably. the administration is already been willing to say we're going to increase nondefense discretionary spending that amounted of money outside of the military. by about 7%. democrats are saying well that's not enough, we need to give the government a pay raise of 10-11%, for fiscal conservatives, i don't see where the rational s. we've got people

on social security and making a living who may be have seen 2%,% increase now going to give the government 11% more? eventually you run out of other people's money. >> garrett: we'll take a break, let joe cruelly and debbie take on that point of view. we'll tease this out when we come back. with our congressional panel, please, stay with us. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. ♪ oh, look... another anti-wrinkle cream in no hurry to make anything happen.

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and united is without question our number one priority a third of our national security budge sent the nondefense spending. we need to be worried about that. we do -- -- president trump is one of the people that said -- i said it because american people are angry. they're tired of partisan bickering want to see us get things done. but they're scared. they haven't lost the fear that's in our soul. from the last time the markets collapsed you've got people that, west virginia, peoplish my district who work their lifetime put money into their pensions, retiring suddenly money is not there. we've got a moral responsibility to figure this out. >> garrett: you mention pensions, what are you talking about, what do you want to see happen? >> there is a bill named after a teamster who died in ohio, trying to fight for this which actually would not ultimately cost the government money. it would be a way -- funding a way like bonds. >> garrett: back up pension. >> long term.

and we need to do something. these are people, these -- they're crying in my arms. >> we feel that the banks need to bail out the individuals that were hurt by that -- >> garrett: who lost pensions, allowances and guarantees. >> have less than half their pension coming to them. >> garrett: as a result of the great recession. >> in great part. let me say what debbie said about the budget itself. a third of the domestic spending is on defense. it's on homeland security. i think that can short shift our colleagues. it's interesting to hear mark talk about fiscal responsibili responsibility. here we just passed -- just re-financed the mortgage. united states house. and in doing so borrowed $1.5 trillion. >> garrett: tax cut bill. >> we did not put that money into our kids' college accounts, help them pay for college, didn't improve the infrastructure of our house. we gave biggest, largest tax cuts to the wealthiest,

multi-national corporations in the world. talk about fiscal responsibility. that is one of the most -- least responsible fiscal responsible bills we've seen pass in the house. we'll be paying for this. >> garrett: will and mark on taxes real quick then get to daca. >> i disagree with anyway friend from new york city. the tax cut that we just passed historic in its nature is going to allow more americans to keep their money and not send it up here to washington, d.c., going to real lou people to invest in the future of their children by investing in education. when we talk about making sure people have a strong footing in their retirement, the fact that we're seeing the highest stock market ever, now you have this opportunity with super charging the economy with tax cuts, this is good for everyone. this means increasing wages, this is good economic -- about economic growth that's going to help make sure that people's

financial future are secure. >> garrett: let me back up. joe is running to an old talking point, we can go to your twitter feed, i think it's majorcbs. just before christmas where there's an interview with a single mom from cary, north carolina, making $40,000 a year. you had cpa from new york actually do her taxes she's getting $1300 back. so to suggest that it's just the rich that are getting it over 91%, so, nine out of ten viewers that are watching that right now are getting money back. it's not our money. it's their money and what we need to do is trust them to spend it. they will spend it better than the government. >> tax bill overly -- that's not even arguable. >> garrett: we'll talk about daca right now and try to work this outright here and light now. the president says joe crowley and debbie dingell, daca can be done but money for the wall and

has to be something done on visa reformist part of immigration. those are the terms set forth by the president. acceptable or unacceptable? >> we need to do daca clean maine by itself? >> by itself. these young kids were here during christmas, they are desperate. they spend lifetime here. we should not be bogging down with subjects we need to talk about border security is important. how we do it. we probably need to have lot of -- >> garrett: president wants to leverage your desire for daca in his willingness to codify in law which president obama did not do but wants exchange his priorities. >> like volunteer fireman here who starts his own fire and tells everyone else how to put it out. the president created this fire. he unwound -- >> because president -- >> actually did daca. did he the deferral. this president actually -- >> unwound what we're --

is it -- >> let me answer the question. he created the situation and now essay in order to take care of these souls who are american -- not american citizens, they are american in every way. they are cultural americans. they know no other way of life than being here. they love this country and to remain here. what the president is saying, in order to do that we have to bill a $40 billion wall, that you can't drive on, you can't live in, it's incredible waste of american resources. >> 30 seconds, will hurd. >> we do this together but we have to do this together. we can have smart solutions to border security. we can solve this problem in a narrow fashion for these dreamers who are march r have only known united states of america as their home. good thing iss nobody is talking about deporting a million ids. so-- a million kids. >> they are. >> nobody is -- >> who is going to -- i'm dealing with --

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>> garrett: welcome back i'm major garrett in for john dickerson. we turn now to our political panel, julie pace is the washington bureau chief for the associated press. ed o'keefe covers congress and politics for the "washington post." and cbs news contributor. also joined by rachel bade and david nakamura white house reporter forethe "washington post" and am i proud graduate of the university of missouri school of journalism. welcome do you all and happy new year. president told "new york times" recently that he thought special counsel robert mueller would be fair. he didn't seem to express given the opportunity all of the hostility some republicans in congress in the late waning months of december expressed towards special counsel, his

staff, his motives. what does this tell us if anything about where the white house actually is on this and never ending question in washington, where is the russia investigation go. >> for months the president has been hearing from two different camps on bob mueller. he's been hearing from some of his outside visors, people who have been around him for years say that he needs to be tougher on bob you'll mere. >> garrett: better legal team. >> needs to be more aggressive in going lot of what the friends and advisors. those are the white house lawyers. people like ted cobb, who have been saying to the president that he actually would be in a stronger position if he let this investigation run its course. in that moment, that's where the president seems to be. seems to be taking the vie of those lawyers, i think heading into 2018 the thing to watch, how trump reacts to the reality that this investigation is not going to be over quickly. those same lawyers have been telling him that this is winding down.

all evidence points to the contrary. that this is an investigation that street still robust, still pursuing new avenues how the president reacts, how fair he thinks mueller is being when he realizes that this could consume a second year of his presidency. could really change the direction of this administration in 2018. >> garrett: the president said the investigation is not good for the country, makes it look bad. sit burdening congress? is it becoming something that congress doesn't know what to do with or can't bring to conclusion? >> republicans feel certainly distraction from their legislative 'general darks they would rather talk about tax reform than what's the latest turn in the russia investigation. the whole thing with the president saying that the investigation is going to be fair is interesting when you sort of compare with what his allies on the hill are doing in terms of trying to discredits the investigation. >> garrett: preemptively discredit. >> before we see the conclusion. just in the past week or so we've seen -- heard news about secret house republican investigation led by trump ally

who leads house intelligence committee panel. this is basically a probe of whether there is corruption in the fbi and they are also talking about senior fbi officials and want to ask about any contact with journal lists, trump might be setting back saying, i'm going to let mueller do do his job. but his allies on the hill. >> also framework in that interview he said 16 times there was no collusion. he seems to be suggest can that he will be treated fairly assuming there's certain outcome. i think one point that julie made is important which is that, in that same interview trump acknowledged that he doesn't know when this investigation will end. something where his own lawyers have told him thanksgiving, then christmas, then the end of the year. that does not seem to be happening. the president seems to acknowledge that. >> it's incredible that the party that is built on law and order has been supported by law enforcement and first responders of this country, is now going after the preeminent law ebb

forcement agency in this country. one thing, you have to remember thousands of personnel across the country crimes far outside of washington to be going after them this way has real risk to the republican party going into the mid terms. you're going to need those types of people to turn tout for republican candidates, if they're going after the fbi in this way, you wonder whether or not that affects their support. >> yet some of those republicans who raise these concerns were sifting at this table they would say, it's not the fbi we're going after, we're going after people who have text messages that are at least problematic. in what they say about political orientation, what it might mean for them as investigators. and you have an fbi process dealing with hillary clinton that was outside of what would be regarded as normal protocol. i'm not saying that. lots of people who are experts in the law have looked said there's no question that needs to be answered here. >> can you raise this in a way that gets to some of those answers without in a risk that

you suggested. >> that is a tricky balancing act. >> among republicans. >> absolutely. >> lindsey graham said he wants mueller to continue to do his job. people like him, compare him with devin nunez who is aggressive on this saying there is corruption and bias at the fbi. but lot of republicans on the hill who are not comfortable with that. that is going to grow wider. >> garrett: julie, you heard the rather lively conversation we had among our four members of congress, two republicans, two democrats about daca could, the dreamers, seemed to me that that was just a preliminary round. this is going to get very intense and the politics of it are going to get white hot. >> absolutely. this is going to be the big issue to watch in 2018. it's so emotional. so personal for so many people. and because most lawmakers in

both parties would like to have solution to this problem, republicans don't want to be the party that let a million young people who came to this country as children be deported. but they also are looking to the president for some guidance on how hard he's going to be on the markers he has lay down which say will give you daca if you give me a border wall. one thing i heard from democrats some worry let the perfect be the enemy of the good here. some democrats are open to the idea that you could give on border security, give on technology at the border, something that would allow the president to stay safe with his base go forward say look at all this i got for border security even if it's not a physical wall. but again if you heard debbie dingell she wants clean daca. that seems like that is going to be impossible. >> separating those issues. >> seems like impossible. >> garrett: a mere suicide mission for the white house if it were to go that route because it would invited amnesty rolling

over, giving in and abandoning the things that were central to your campaign. >> remember on calendar you have january 19 which is next spending bill expires, when they want to come up with solutions to this problem. otherwise, march 5th -- >> garrett: next shut down. >> then march 5 is it is deadline for daca. did you hear anyone present a proposal? >> garrett: or timeline. >> no why where near agreement. i think as julie was saying the real break can point here is going to be, once they put down what the compromise is for daca, we're going to save these kids. not just kids. they're adults. anywhere between 640,000. once you figure that out, what are you going to get in return? i'm less interested in what the republican response to that will be. than the democratic response. a lot of these congressmen from immigrant districts, l.a., chicago, new york, are going to go home and if these people are told you're getting your status,

but we're also going to do all these other things, backlash for democrats -- >> the president has been all over the map on this. he talked earlier when he announced ending daca that we could do border separately. do border wall separately. now talking about the wall again in this interview. but save migration. things like this, up to 50,000 a year for certain countries that don't have lot of immigrants. they have been talked about being eliminated understand past. understand 2013 bill. these are not new ideas. but i think border wall something that democrats look at as important to them saying, no, on something like. that as it is for trump and his base to get some start on that. >> garrett: we saw right before congress left town, house members going to chuck schumer's office and trying to read him the riot act for not standing up on these issues. these tension, rs are real now. >> not only with democrats how much to demand in return for

daca but also with the republicans in terms of how much demand for daca but democrats as well in terms of should they have held their line before christmas getting this fixed. this is sort of illustrate how difficult this issues i was speaking with the republican from a swing state, has a lot of immigrants and dreamers in his own district he was telling me the week before christmas, the moderate group of democrats they get together they try to do bipartisan solution and everybody is at each other's throats. they were supposed town vail an agreement before christmas, it came together they had something, just ended up blowing up, fell through, this just shows that if these people who are moderate democrats, moderate republicans cannot come up with a solution how will the leaders fix this? >> garrett: problem solvers caucus becomes lump of coal caucus. we'll be righted back with our panel. thanks for watching. please join us when we come

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obsessively advertised but not yet achieved. then what do you do on domestic side of the ledger and we saw that teased out in this panel as well. very tough lines to be drawn there. help our audience understand what are some of the markers, the deadlines and what are some of the things to watch for? >> well, the first -- >> garrett: if things come together or remain -- >> january 19th, next potential shut down date to good marker how quickly they want to get their in finished business done. >> do you think that will be time where budget will be -- or another month to find more time to negotiate and -- >> if it was to not make too many predictions, i'd say only thing i'd say, if you don't get it done by january 19th, the say recess as next marker. you got lot of things there. again, daca situation. you've got budget caps, how much more will you raise spending by the government.

there's a host of other things. issues with children's health insurance program it's running out of money in several states. and then as mark meadows said, the idea that you might extend permanently the individual tax cuts, do you use this bill as another way to get that done. because there's only so many vehicles that will leave the station, as we like to say, that are guaranteed to pass. try to tack on things for certain people that may be one. >> garrett: already talk of republicans not only trying to make individual tax cuts permanent, but do other technical fixes and do that under reconciliation which is another one of these mechanisms where simple majority is always that way. but simple majority is rarely that way. but you have to pass a budget to do that. to do that you have to get agreement on other things like entitlements and other spendings that republicans are not aligned on. is that something to keep a line on? >> parted of the reason that we didn't get a budget at the end of 2017 because republicans

aren't aligned they can't figure out how to get some of the democrats on board that they would need to get 60 votes in the senate. i think the mode dose' idea is just fascinating that idea of going back and saying, let's make in the tax bill you have permanent tax cuts for corporations, you had tax cuts for individuals that would expire. it would put a lot of pressure on democrats to say, no, to a permanent tax cut extension for individuals. >> garrett: should have all been permanent. >> now the republicans may try to have those democrats put their money on the table, put their cards on the table. even though they are opposed -- >> garrett: what is your sense, david, of the political clout of president trump as he enters 2018, about what it was on inauguration day? >> what's interesting is poll numbers have gone down significant amount in terms of public approval rating. built the way he sort of consolidated some of the levers of power in the white house and

wielded his clout and unpredictable nature, his ability to attack, relentlessly attack his opponents maintains his clout. picked the wrong horse in alabama twice. but the president continues to strike fear into folks who are running for reelection not to get hon his bad side, those on capitol hill want to see the republican agenda move forward. some ways retains more clout than someone with the poll numbers might normally suggest. especially historic lows in the first year. >> garrett: rachel, journalists answer hypothetical questions all the time, politicians do not. imagine we're looking into house republican conference meeting they're all sitting there in their seat. paul ryan says, raise your hand if you want donald trump to campaign with you in 2018. how many hands go up? >> how many hands? i would say about 80 to 90. majority of republicans. >> garrett: really up for grabs or super safe districts because they would love to see

the president there. >> the safe districts for sure. these are the folks who actualle republicans from the safe districts they want to be connected to him at the him, they still love the president and these are republican districts. of course swing states are totally different story, right? the president with ratings going down, didn't want to be near him. >> garrett: 0 seconds, the white house is talking about revamping of the political operation. is it overdue? >> it probably is overdue, there hasn't been a political robust operation. it's basically only trump. if he's going on instinct he listen to some people on the outside, less of political advisors on the inside. heading into a year where they're trying to convince the president now that the 2018 mid terms are going to be incredibly consequential. his ability perhaps to finish four years in office. if that message gets through to him i think you will see true

revamp. >> garrett: that is a very big if. thank you so much. we'll be back in a moment with author, best selling author j.d. vance.

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>> garrett: we sat down with j.d. vance author of "hillbilly elegy." he's been credited with identifying the so-called forgotten americans who helped carry donald trump to his in you can peck victory. a year into the trump administration vance says they might be disappointed the president's rhetoric doesn't match reality. >> i started writing the book back in 201. no one at that time, certainly not me, knew what we were going to see with nominations, of course election of donald trump. definitely thought when the book was coming out, this is june of 2016, hard to believe it's been that long. i felt that lot of folks would be trying to ask questions about who the trump voter was. of course, that's a little bit about what my book is about. i don't mention donald trump but i talk a lot about people, people living in certain part of the country, people from certain demographic segment who did overwhelmingly support the president. both in the nominating contest also of course in the general

election. >> garrett: for that community that you write about in the book, that you grew up in, what do you think the larger truths are that they heard that he spoke to in ways they hadn't heard before? >> one of the most important larger truths that he spoke to is the importance of jobs and the life of the community. if you think about republican rhetoric let's say during the campaign of mitt romney. very folkoused on job creator but not the worker. if you think of the rhetoric of modern democrats, so focused on government that people don't -- i think lot of folks on the left don't appreciate, people don't want to hand out. don't want government support, from the right want people to talk about the noble entrepreneur, what they want people to recognize the dignity of working people. i think that what was genius about politics of trump's campaign that he focused on workers and focused on jobs. it wasn't about the wealthy entrepreneur with the private jet. it wasn't about a government

hand out it was about the folks in the middle. >> garrett: the conversation about the tax bill, for example. he doesn't talk about supply side economics or theory at all. >> when the president talks about tax reform. the people who benefit, talks about american jobs, he talks about the fact that we're going to be taking money that's overseas and bringing it back to the united states so that it will employ american workers. that focus again on american work can in the middle class is to me the most thoughtful and in some ways most genius part of trump's support to politics. >> garrett: there were times when i would laugh when he would say, every dream you've ever dreamed is going to come true. america is going to get back winning again. i thought, even by political standards this is sort of cotton candy, take it to the maximum level. yet having read your book, occurs toe me the concept of putting winning or victory central to it. to people who may be feel like

they have become losers or forgotten. that was much more powerful than i thought or imagined at the time. do you think that's possible? >> i think that sense of loss is really important. idea that 30 or 40 years ago things were really going well and now they started to disintegrate not just work life but our family life, lot of other issues on top of that. >> garrett: do you think there is danger for trump going forward, president going forward and these voters that his rhetoric and their expectations may never match. >> i think that that's certainly that concern, it's a political concern for the trump administration. but it's a concern for american. absolutely, it's a concern for lot of folks who really do expect things to gets a whole lot better. one of the things i really worry about if you don't see middle class wage growth or the economy in certain areas of the country, middle part. country starting to come back in the same way that's doing especially well, say, in california or new york, then people are going to become politically frustrated but more

importantly they're going to have a lot of hope dashed, the sense that maybe this is the moment, this is the electoral moment where lot of our fortunes turn around. that is going to disappear and consequently folks are going to be pretty upset about it. >> garrett: mart of your next phase of life is to deal with this? >> definitely. one of the things that i'm wor working on is this rise initiative, if you look where the net job growth comes, it comes from high growth start-up companies. and unfortunately you don't see a lot of high growth start-up companies outside of california and new york and boston, massachusetts. so what we're trying to do is some way democratize, invest in areas that don't get as much entrepreneurial investing and hopefully start to created some of those new 21st century jobs in places that don't see that job creation. >> garrett: in my travels i've seen a little bit of that in des moines, iowa. a little bit of that in omaha, nebraska. not as if it doesn't exist in the fly over country but you

want to accelerate. >> certainly exists. there is certainly exciting pockets of entrepreneurship. >> garrett: usually linked to a university of some kind. >> universities provide high quality talent," electric towel property necessary to get businesses off the ground but still don't see the afternoon investment in these areas even though you see pockets ever hope. statistic i throw out is 50% of venture capital goes to california. most of the rest of it goes to new york and massachusetts. that means there's 47 states fighting over a very small amount of the type of investment that creates really high quality long-term durable jobs. if you can rearrange that, create more entrepreneurship and more investments in some of these areas, are you going to fix all the problems, no. but you will start to create more high quality job growth. >> garrett: this brings us back to some of the embedded behavioral problems you write about in "hillbilly elegy" those are going to have to change even if this capital arrives. >> yes, that's absolutely right.

>> garrett: you speak wide candidly about laziness and people who think they work but don't actually work that they're part of this equation. that reckoning is going to have to occur, number one, won't be easy to. >> absolutely. you go to a town like middletown, ohio, where some people are trug struggling to find a job then there are people who had a good job and lost it, not based economy was bad but because they made mistakes. you see both types of people. we have to recognize that there are these twin impulses, there is a need for more economic growth, more job growth but is a need for them to recognize that they have a role in making these problems better and we can't ignore that. >> garrett: issue that is really concerning that you have eight million prime age men who dropped out of the labor force, folks who aren't looking for work. you can created job growth all day but unless start to do the things that bring those labor force dropouts back into the job market you're not going to solve the problems i wrote about in

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