>> brennan: today on "face the nation." anger and marjorie stoneman douglas high school shooting lead to a big push forouaws. will this effort succeed where others have failed? we'll have the missed opportunities that could have saved lives or prevented last week's killingstents and t. then we'll talk to two lawmakers, ted deutch and republican says this shooting has changed his what do they think of the president's call for arming clad other idea to end gun violence ability to? cap take these people out rapidly before they can do this kind

damage. >> brennan: arkansas governor asa hutchinson advicer to the nra.rned from pat mass shootings that help us find solution now. we'll talk to parents ofand sur, co place involving gun violence. also take a closer look at horrors in syria after a massiv" captioning sponsored by cbs good morning and welcome to "face the nation" i'm margaret brennan. we've got a lot to get to ed pa, florida, with omare investigatil and local authorities handle the bh before and after the shooting. margaret. students will be allowed on

campus today for the first time since the shootin reorientationm ready for classes which are udts marched past marjorie stoneman douglas high school where 17 classmates and teachers were killed last week. the students arerying to keep the pressure reform gun laws, this weekend the scrutiny over the police ant confessed gunman nikolas cruz inns week, broward deputy scott petersen an armed douglas resigned after school video cameras showed himring th. the sheriff's department is also ndinth coral springstion from police department that when they arrived one broward deputies were outside the building with their weapons drawn. in an the union, broward sheriff addressed the charges. >> we will look

action or inactions of every single dpu agency, sergeants, lieutenants, captains, we'll make some can t, during the killing while the killer was an campus with this horrific there was one deputy. one armed person within theimitt was petersen. >> local law enforcement officials are also lookint tgnt shooter like this one made last . mi cruz'se all the warnings and gun performs appear to be legal undercurrent law margaret? >> brennan: thank you. we turn now to deutch what represents congressional district where the shooting occurred colleague brian mast a republican his district is north

parkland and they join us fromrn douglas high school. good morning to you i according to the sheriff's office, 23 regs shooter or his family. sheriff israel toldn morning, i've given amazing leadership to this agenc >> well, i'll tell you what sheriff needs to do, i talked to the sheriff l th. we need to nipped out exactly what happened, why it many signt from the visits but social medit has happened, the fbi ha came i, that was missed. all of that is just --t' a grieg community. but it can continue to figure out what happened to make sure that never happens again. and still take meaningful action

to assure that weapons likehootn never be used by another -- in in any school or any other place in america. >> brennan: will you get a why they missed these signals? >> getting a briefing from the fbi, i also tho of us, delegation from down here especially is getting a full briefing once all of the information is available about these missedat' happened. it's vital for us, at the same time that inspired by these survivors to take action to prevent this happening again. >> brennan: congressman mast, i want to bring you in here you've had change of calling for a ban on the ar15 and also the age limit for purchase.this case change your view?e've seen a lof

shootings out there. we've seen what happen las vegaw what happened in orlando. for me personally it pains me to knowt willing to defend my country, willing to give everything withs used to go out there unfortunately killklanhi i think there's a very real opportunity here foth's what rey brought me to my change of heart in talking about this. i to see that personally. >> brennan: for those two items that you are supporting, itr pay or your congressional leadership is behind you on that. do you have a sense rublican rae members will join you in this call? >> so let's look at one of the ways that we can bring people into this conversation.st my fee members, republican leadership in the house and senate butat it is that he is a man of action

ani that at veterans and soldiers we save life we don'tn we g out there and do it. i think that's what the travel ban has been all about saving ln our community and our country.ct ame model and apply it right now to this situation. >> brennan: but you don't havee president hasn't -- can get thet on board and members of congress on board to say, lesame kind ofd right now. where we look at who is having s to? what were the failures that wenr state agencies and in the state. on, get back to the american people after this pause withh sensible solutions because we are going to look at this in a veea made sense in the case of terrorists coming into this country and makes sense looking at guns.

>> brennan: do you believe that teachers, even trained teachers sh b >> i don't. arming teachers is a distraction. it's a distraction from the important discussion this that e right now, this week, when we go on mental health.banning bump stocks, universal those aren't controversial. everyone suppoe nee to focus on. but the important point here is because of these young the ground is shifting. members of congress are now up and be as offended as everyone else whenio runs the nra goes to political me and congress want to take action to support kids, don't children. >> brennan: but even after sandy hook, 15 democrats voted ai ban, this isn't simply about the nra

at this point. as i sid, the ground is ng congress in the senate going to hear from these kids, they have been to tallahassee, they're coming to wh face to face conversations. they are important conversations impress the need to take action. look the fact that there are now more than a companies who have severed their relationship with the gun corporns na tells t things are starting to change, people are standing up t lives. >> brennan: all right. >> there is room for this conversation. there are great caid marines, fr law enforcement, people that already have concealed c permits. >> brennan: do you agree that teachers should be armed? some e ab thataveidates for this, the desire. but remember they are people, too. they can leave a firearm layingg in identifying the threat and

identifying the innocent you have to make surel t of training. >> brennan: thank you both for joining us today for this conversation. now to a group of people whose lives have been impacted directly b violence and who have been moved to do something about it. aust 17-year-old student at column wine high school when two of hisclasates 9 wounding him and killing 13. he is now the chief officer at an addiction recovery facility in hockley's son, dylas among 20 children killed at sandy hook in newtown, connecticut in december of 2012. she cofoundedprome, a group woro protect children from gun violence. andy parker's daughter, allison, cbs affiliate wdbj when she wasina live broadt in 2015. and he's now start for allison,n

educational foundation named after hisielle gay lost her daughter josephine in the sandy hook massacrea forr she cofounded safe and sound schools following her daughter'a from orlando the chieff orlandoe department. anwh entered pulse in june 2016 nightclub and killed 49 people. nicole it after sandy hook, people said this has to be different. this is an people now are saying that about parkland. it feels different. >> i do feel the difference because i think there's aults advocating for their children versus children advocating forae teenagers sharing their the adults listen to them. i think the politicians need tod

instead just shut up and listend listen to what they're demanding because this can't continue. we k die and feel unsafe. >> brennan: you met with a number of these activist in florida. hem, their energy and their drive, that energized me. thi fight for five years, they are the start of the very long journey but they have tools in terms of social media and stuff that i didn't fingertips. they are organizing and mobilizing at an incredibly rapid rh're not listening to what other people are telling them to say, they are speaking for authentic, that has power. >> brennan: michelle do you se? >> i do. interestingly enough in the school safety space when we founde safe and sound schools in the bring following they most powerful group that we were hearing w

we've been working with students now for five years, we just released a youth program that came out this fall, so we're grateful that a lot of those established prior to this tragedy that the kids have this communities. but i would agree with nicole. it is different organized, because they are speaking up and we want to hear what they. >> brennan: andy, after your daughter's death, you became did allison's fiance, where do you think that this activism should be focused? is it at the local and state level or is it here in washington? >> margaret, it has to be all of the above. we have to give law enforcement the tools that they need to prevent this kind of tragedy from happening, one of them ironically, marco rubio brought it up in the town hall last week is a gun violence restraining order. and what a lot of people don't

know is that with all the alarms and red flags and warnings about this shooter in florida, he was never -- he was never arrested for anything so legally law enforcement can't go in and remove weapons. with the gun violence restraining order they can. i hope that this changes the equation because barbara and i testified in front of a virginia senate committee on this very issue. the chairman of the committee looked at me and said, we're sorry for your loss. then they voted it down on partylines. same thing with young woman who survived las vegas shooting was in tears saying please ban bump stocks they did the same thing to her. at this point the republican party hopefully there will be a change there but they're the party of the nra. that's just a fact. >> brennan: austin, what you went through happened in the middle of an assault weapons

ban, when you hear these activists, these student activists in particular call for ban unspecificly does that speak to you in any way, do you say that is misguided or how do you think this should be focused? >> it definitely speaks to me, i'm really inspired by the level of ook take vim that i have seen. the problem that i have, we are so laser focused on one or two, gun control or mental health. then nothing ever gets done. i think that we do have a problem with accessibility to these weapons but specifically we have a problem to accessibility to high capacity magazines we have to bring down the number of shots that somebody can fire before reloading. i think that is exception family important. beyond that we have to look at why this issue is occurring. we have to go all the way back to the way that we're educating and socializing young men. so what i really advocate for is appointing nonpartisan group of experts who can study this issue comprehensively and in the near term have to bring down the loss of lives. by doing that we can eliminate

high capacity magazines. >> brennan: at the federal or local level? >> i believe at the federal level. >> brennan: chief mina i want to come to you quickly before we to go commercial break then continue our conversation on the other side of it. chief, it sounds like there were just so many red flags, at least 23 calls to local authorities, flags raised to the fbi in this case and parkland. how hard is it to actually intervene as law enforcement? is this a matter of just local bureaucracy run amuck or is it a failure, a derelict shun of duty. how to dough people understand this. >> it's a failure of all the systems involved. the police department, many other law enforcement agencies in central florida and across the nation there are protocols in place for when we receive social media threats, for when we get some of these red flags and i would tell that you we don't stop working until that threat is mitigated until we geo made the threat, go talk to

them, talk to their parents. and go very hands on with them. in many case either arrest or commit that person for an involuntary mental examination. the issue and some of the problems with that is, even if we commit someone under the baker act for mental evaluation, they can get their evaluation, probably be released in less than 72 hours and still go -- enable to buy a firearm that loophole needs to be closed because many of our law enforcement throughout the country have had many succession stories as far as mitigating some of these threats and seeing the red flags and working it to the very end, putting the person in custody or getting them evaluated then that person still being able to purchase a firearm. >> brennan: chief, we want to talk to you again on the other side of this break along with the rest of our panel. so stay with us, please, we'll

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>> brennan: bring in chief mina who was chief in that city during the pulse nightclub attack which did involve the sheeter using semi automatic weapon. chief, i wouldn't ask you, this proposal to at the state level have skilled teachers be armed, to you, does that make a difference? >> i don't think that's a good idea. it's their job to educate our students and they do a great job of that. our teachers aren't trained, physically or mentally prepared to handle firearms in a stressful situation. law enforce. throughout the country not only do they go through hours and months and weeks of training but they are also carry firearms every day and deal and use their

firearms sometimes in stressful situations and if for a teacher to be educating students at one second then be responsible for responding in a high stress situation with a firearm with not enough training or mental preparation, i don't think it's a good fit. i'm against that. >> brennan: michelle you're a former teacher, what do you think about arming educators? >> i would agree completely. i just -- i understand that it's a community-based decision that will always be our position at safe and sound schools. we know that different communities are made up of different people, with different backgrounds and there are different circumstances some of our communities are facing response time that may be up to 15 minutes. i understand this need to look at all solutions, put them all on the table. but when i think very practically about myself sitting in a second grade classroom on the floor with my students teaching reading, the last thing

i would be ready for in a split second that it might happen is having to pull out a firearm, purple frit my hip and intervene in that way. further having worked with school resource officers so closely for the past five years, we know the level of training that they undergo, we know the time, the mindset as other guest was talking about just the familiarity of having that firearm with you. all of that working and consideration that goes into that. that is not something i want to put on a teacher who is already very over burdened sadly with a lot of tremendous responsibili responsibility. >> brennan: colorado has ex floored this. >> i'm opposed to it as well it do believe we have to strengthen schools by way of architecture, metal detectors or additional security personnel. those two functions have to be completely separate. educators have to focus on education. and security officials need to focus on security. >> brennan: nicole, with with

sandy hook promise you've been looking at ways to harden the response at least, what are you looking at and proposing? >> i agree that we need to focus on how do we handle imminent danger such as school security and infrastructure of our schools. i believe the shift needs to focus to prevention. how do we help identify people that are at risk of potentially hurting themselves or others that's what we offer from sandy hook promise, we're in about 7,000 schools with our free program and free anonymous reporting system. that is way for teachers, educators, students and parents to say this is what i'm recognizing and this is what i'm seeing then have system to report it. to be honest in terms of arming teachers it would be better to arm them with this knowledge, ability to do that to prevent violence before it happens. if there's federal funding available for these programs versus arming teachers, i would put it towards the programs or giving teachers more what they need in terms of supplies or

books or arming them with more school counselors as well to help these kids. >> brennan: andy, you faced backlash for your activism, something we're seeing now with these students in florida, where does that come from? >> there arlene on of hoaxers that defend on me like locusts they have done the same thing with the kids in florida they call crisis actors. they say allison has had plastic surgery is living in israel some place. the level of cruelty is just unimaginable. but it's fueled -- all you have to do look on pennsylvania avenue, it's enabled by a president that has unhinged tweets every single day. arming teachers. so, he's enabling this -- he's helping create this sort of atmosphere that brings on these people. >> brennan: what did you think of the president's listening session this week, you were there, nicole.

>> it was pathetic, frankly. when he comes out with again, this crazy notion of arming teachers, teachers are going to quit before they carry a firearm in class. when you have to hold a note card that says, i hear you, i mean, come on. unimpressive to say the least. >> brennan: talking points are something many walk into a room with to get through that, but i appreciate your passion. all of you and for coming here and to share your personal stories. thank you, we want all of you to come to washington today for this conversation, we really appreciate all of being here and all of you watching. we'll be back.

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merry christmas welcome back to "face the nation" i'm margaret brennan. arkansas governor asa hutchinson served two terms in congress also consulted for the nra when they pushed for armed guards at schools after the newtown sheeting. he joins us now in studio. your state of arkansas also experienced a school shooting many years ago, jonesboro, back in 1998. you have monopoly on people with mental health issues but we seem to have this streak of school shootings. for you, does the response need to be at the federal level or the state level? >> primary plea the state level. wherever you're looking at school safety issues, looking at mental health issues, this is function that governors can uniquely engaged in. i want to focus on the school

safety side. and to make sure that the children when they go to school feel comfortable in their safety as well as the teachers and officials there. so a lot of work has to be done there, and because your previous panel pointed out we have different thinking and different parts of the country, this is uniquely the role of a state determining safety. role of the federal government obviously can spur the issues in terms of a grant funding and hopefully that will be available to us. but largely the security side and safety side would be the governors, in arkansas, for example, we have passed a law to allow rural schools to have armed personnel that has enhanced training not just regular concealed weapon training but enhanced training they can be responding to active shooter situation. so we've taken steps in our state and we'll continue to do so. >> brennan: for you, do you draw distinction between arming trained staff verse arming

educators in the classroom with children as the president has suggested? >> i draw a distinction. but let me emphasize there has to be some flexibility here. i have always said that teachers should teach and others should protect. >> brennan: will you tell the president that when you meet with him this week? >> i'll tell him that. also there's some teachers who, whenever they're looking at options they got the training and they have got the temperament and they have done what is necessary, if they want to be able to have a protection and have -- be armed with that training i think that is prerogative they should have as well. but, for example, in clarksville, arkansas, one of the schools we have about 13 that they selected staff, it's secret information as to who on their staff has been trained. but it could be a coach, it could be a janitor, it could be a teacher. it could be an assistant principal. that has gone through this

enhanced training that is available for quicker response. they couldn't afford to have school resource officers so this is the direction they chose to go. the best response is a trained police officer. but they're not always available quickly in the classroom. >> brennan: what kind of weapon should school personnel be carrying to match the kind of weapon -- rapid fire firearm such as ar15 that was used here in florida? >> right now -- >> brennan: how to you arm to protect against that? >> the children are trained to throw books at an intruder anything that they have hands on. if you have any file arm it's obviously going to be better protection. so, the police go in, there they're able to take out with the weapons that they have on their side. a weapon can do that. it should be locally decided as to what that weapon is what the comfort level is with the trained staff. so those are local decision have

to be made as to what is the best utility. >> now, in the parkland example, there was an armed resource officer, first responders and the first deputy on site did not enter the building. doesn't that undermine this argument that you're making. you're putting lot of responsibility one or few people here to respond to extraordinary circumstance. >> well, it is. it's a tragic set of circumstances there. if you look back through history we learned from each one, we learned from the newtown, we learned from las vegas, we learned from what's happened in florida. and for my background of homeland security and law enforcement what is important is different layers of security. the first one is a point of entry. you've got to make sure that schools are architecturally designed so that you can have security as to people who are not authorized to be there, single point of entry is the best. secondly, obviously, the armed

police officer, school resource officer who has had the greatest level of training should be available. but then a school in their security plan should have additional layers of security, school resource officer might be across the campus. this is again where if a school wanted to have trained personnel that is available closer to the classroom, they should be -- >> brennan: that system didn't work in florida. >> does that mean we shouldn't have school resource officers? i don't think anybody says that. we've got to improve our syste systems. and so the fbi makes mistakes whatever you're looking at the gathering of information and dealing with mental health issues there and the warning signs. we can learn and we've got to do better but it doesn't mean we should erase the protections and layers of security that's in place. we've got to do better to me that is the right debate. how can we better give confidence, better training to our staff, better coordination among our officials.

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the city killing at least 500 this week alone. many women and children. yesterday the u.n. called for an immediate cease fire and u.n. secretary general has called this situation, hell on earth. for some perspective on this situation we are joined now by syria ambassador frederic hof, now with "the atlantic" council. ambassador, we've seen these cease fires before from the u.n., any different? >> possibly not unfortunately, margaret. there is a long list of u.n. security resolutions instructing syria to stop this kind of activity, to per miss the delivery of humanitarian assistance both food and medicine, they have been ignored. it's good that this resolution was passed, good that it was passed man newsily but the early returns are not good. bombing is reportedly ongoing as

we speak. >> brennan: this is a suburb of the capital of damascus. president trump has called this humanitarian disgrace and public plea blamed iran, russia, he said u.s. was only there to fight ice is that the limit of u.s. intervention? >> possibly not. it remains to be seen. nearly a year ago april 2017, the united states intervened very forcefully, striking a syrian air base in the wake of a sarin nerve agent. by the assad regime on civilians in northern syria. i suspect people in eastern ghouta right now who are saying please, mr. assad, attack us with sarin because if you do perhaps the world will come to our assistance. i think it's mistaken -- >> brennan: a cynical method of

killing is -- >> well, the master of cynicism in all this is is bashar assad he carefully case the measure of everyone who comes up against him. he concluded with respect to president obama, if i don't use sarin gas i can use anything i want. >> brennan: is that it same calculation president trump -- >> i'm afraid it is right now. i'm afraid that assad is testing this president's chemical red line. he's weaponizing the use of chlorine, which although is not deadly is nevertheless very, very powerful instrument of terror. >> brennan: right now the u.s. has about 2,000 troops in syria has not a lot, there are 12 diplomats, president used very strong rhetoric, do the resource match that rhetoric? >> this is again -- we're going to have to see if the resource

match the strategy. secretary of state tillerson gave a very powerful speech at stanford university a couple of weeks ago about syrian strategy. but the question is, who is going to do the heavy lift. the heavy and sustained lift required to stabilize syria east of the euphrates river, land that's been taken from isis and the heavy lift that is going to be required to protect syrian civilians. because the lack of protection is a humanitarian and geopolitical catastrophe. >> brennan: for americans when they hear u.s. involvement they want to limit u.s. intervention for their own thinking. why does this need to matter if why do people need to know what is happening right now outside damascus? >> margaret, nobody that i know of is talking about violent regime change or united states invading and arc could you pieing the assad part of syria.

the u.n. resolution passed yesterday said that ongoing violence directed against civilians is a threat to the peace and security of the region. this kind of mass homicide campaign encourages extremists, it undermines our friends and allies in the region and beyond, witness the migration cries in europe. 2015 the refugees and this really roiled european politics, all to the delight of mr. putin and the kremlin. >> brennan: is president trump's calculus can work with vladimir putin, correct? >> i don't begrudge the administration doing all of the diplomatic due diligence to see if it's possible. john kerry, former secretary of state chased the russians for a year and a half. and never did catch them. what happens over the next few

days and the next few weeks in eastern ghouta will tell us whether or not there's any -- they are there in terms of working with the russians. they really need to get their client out of this dirty business. >> brennan: ambassador hof, thank you very much for joining us. and be sure to tune in tonight to if 670 minutes our scott pelley will bring you a powerful report on that assad regime sarin gas attack in syria last april and the continued onslaught there.

>> brennan: time now for some analysis, reihan salam executive editor of national review and policy fellow at the national review institute. we want to welcome shauna thomas to the broadcast. david nakamura for the "washington post" thanks to all of you for coming here. president is going to hold this two week listening session is this about buying time or building policy? >> well, i think that there has been a shift in the politics of the gun issue. partly because you see different

patterns of gun ownership in the country and i think that it takes a crystallizing moment like this to lead to a change and president trump is demonstrated that he's frankly pretty flexible on the issue. he's expressed variety of different opinions and i think it's quite possible that we'll see some movement on some limited gun regulation measures. >> brennan: some limited movement, congressional leadership doesn't seem energized on this like the president does is that fair? >> yeah, i would say that the likelihood of congress passing gun control measures any time soon is probably about as likely as president trump himself deleting his twitter account, it's not going to happen. there's energy, yes, right now following the florida shooting do you see some republicans particularly in florida you just interview brian mast, opening the door to potentially doing some gun control measures, but these folks are the minority right now in congress. they do not see guns as the problem here. these are second amendment enthusiasts who i kid you not carry pictures around on their

phones of their latest kill from hunting, they don't think that is the problem. i think we can hear them talk how this guy fell through the cracks, did the fbi, what did they miss here this tip that they had that they didn't follow through on. i think we could hear them talk about safety in schools but i think they will say that is a state issue. you have to forget about assault weapons ban universal background checks isn't going anywhere, even this notion of increasing the age to get an assault weapon, it's not going to pass congress. >> brennan: go ahead. >> one of the thing i think is instructive how does immigration debate played out the idea that the president was flexible doing something on immigration, giving pass to citizenship. when it came down to it, could he give the cover to republicans who are concerned -- >> brennan: seems to be trying here. >> the idea is -- we see initial signs that he's willing to talk about gun control in a different way. he told staff from what we record in our newspaper that he wants to go forward on maybe

proposal as controversial as raising the age limit to buy guns. he said let's go for that, praise the nra to keep that portion of our base happy. but when it comes down to campaigning giving that kind of cover we haven't even the 3 engagement. me you don't think that some >> to be clear on that the president came out this week said he would back a basically fixes ensuring that agencies are rte weapons to the background check system.>> >> the freedom caucus the day after the said there's no way he is going to back it. it would let bureaucrats tak lif american, that's exactly what you're going to hear from republicans on t cld pass the se with b.i. partisan, ryan will have to make a difficultdecisi,r where it would pass then get heat from the right. >> te that over the last week we saw

those students march on tallahassee. congreas week, they haven't had to sort of deal with the amount of media you get whende tou cap. that is this week. this is coming. so it's going to be a little bit more difficult on face of these teenagers if people start showing up in washington, d.c. say we're not going to do anything. >> i agree the bill has hard time passing through the house, the version is in the senate right now has concealed carry provisionish it which is not going anywhere in the senate. but it is good that at least john cornyn is talking to the president about this there is something that can be done about our background check system because there's so many holes, states need help and money to try to fix them. >> brennan: shauna, if people are so interested in this student activism that you mentioned the march on tallahassee, going to be a march here in washington on the 24th, the next month. does that sustain the momentum enough or is this so politically toxic when a lot of people in congress are facing upcoming

election that they won't want to go near this? >> well, this is a different moment because of those teenagers. is it sustainable, i have to admit i'm surprised a certain extent because i'm a cynical washington, d.c. person, we're having this conversation on "face the nation," still seeing reporters in florida because the news cycle is so fast right now. it's kind of spin ways up to the students, they have the power of social media, they are known commodity to media outlets, they come here, they're going to get interviews, they go to the capital, they are going to be seen on camera. in some ways it's up to them. because i do not necessarily think especially since it's an election year this will be run from a political angle. >> this strikes me as fascinating phenomenon happening more broadly, when you have an issue that is a very familiar issue, that is understood as culture war issue, suddenly you introduce a class of people who identify as victims, those loved ones of victims and they change the political dynamic.

what happens then however is that you realize that there are folks on the other side, too. there are victims of violence who care very deeply about firearms and gun rights as matter of self defense. during that first phase, you change the conversation because no one wants to argue with someone who has been traumatized. someone who has been victimized that might wind up distorting our conversation because we can't forget that there are people who feel very strongly, have a deep emotional investment in this issue on the other side, too. we saw dreamers and angel moms, this is something that will define american politics for a very long time because narratives and personal stories are compelling. >> brennan: is the president going to rely on governor he meets with rather than the lawmakers here in washington to get the things he says he wants to get done? >> i do think that governors are really important part of this. for example, talking about arming teachers that has become a huge contentious question. but also, texas has a school marshal program, the idea that there are rural districts, place where you don't necessarily have the resource and you have people

who receive rigorous training just as you have air marshals. when you think that way, it changes the context in way that could actually be pretty constructive at the state and local level not necessarily as a national culture war issue. >> that does make president trump's desire to arm teachers or talk about arming teachers who are qualified the perfect issue for him to go forth with. because that's not something that you're going to do on the federal level. that is something that states and localities and all the myriad of gun laws that we have out there are going to troll so he can say, hey, i want to do this in schools now went to the states he can run on that. that's something that the nra isn't going to go against either necessarily. it is in some ways the perfect issue. >> if you look at the president's listening session at the white house, prettye ordinary it lasted an hour. >> was broadcast live. >> you saw exactly what i'm saying that some of the parents were -- and students were pushing for gun control

measures, but there was father who stood up who lost a daughter who argued very packs family about his perspective as father who was grieving but also then said very emphatically that he supported this idea to arm teachers. >> brennan: i want to ask you, you talked about immigration quickly. i want to look at this march 5th deadline the president has been tweeting a bunch about dreamers how he's the only one pushing, are we going tee same kind of activism that reihan that mentioned? >> interesting deadline. that is idea that the work permits to run out, trump said this deadline six months ago supposed to create action on the hill. we saw the without undermine b.i. partisan bill that went forward and back to different bill. i do think we'll see lot of activism, the question is are the courts put injunction the deadline not entirely -- not going to see those work permits run out as we thought. that could buy a little bit more time. but it doesn't look very likely that any kind of immigration will will go forward.

>> brennan: do you agree with that, rachel? >> i think they are struggling, there is a little bit of talk about extend can the daca deadline for one year for a little bit of border wall money. there is a bill in the senate that is gaining traction by john thune who basically was propose doing three-year extensions for these daca kids for $25 billion of wall money. conservatives are particularly worried that that is going to move because they don't think the wall is enough for them to back, continuation of this program. so they are basically go nothing where fast, this deadline is coming. they have work to do. >> brennan: what do people need to know about debate over security clearance and question as to whether john kelly will give jared kushner one? >> the president was asked, put it on john kelly says he'll defer the decision. seems likely that -- >> brennan: should be alarmed? >> the government accountability office same out said this is now a high risk program. obviously the government

accountability office is watchdog group that looks at various parts of the federal government they came out and said, giving interim security clearance to spur months at a time imposes on the u.s. national security, it could hurt the national security. i think we'll see oversight committee on the hill continue to look at this and pressure will be up. >> there's another -- issue really is, are some of these people blackmailable. that is sort of what we saw with rob porter, who is hollywood to have beat his wife and because of that it made him subject to possible blackmail. the question is, is there something in kushner's history that makes him subject to blackmail that is keeping him from getting that security clearance, if that is the case, i'm not saying it is, should i have access to this information? i guess the deadline i think was last friday to sort of -- where john kelly said he would cut that off. but we have to see whether the white house pushes forward on this. >> brennan: all right, thanks to all of you. we have to leave it there.

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