05.29.13 05.29.13 >> from pacifica, this is democracy now! of the is part sledgehammer of what the government is doing to people who expose corporate secrets, government secrets, and the secrets of the empire. the people who should of been on the trout are the very people .ho committed to hacking the stratfor people who have engaged in corporate spying along with government corporation, public safety people in arizona, fbi, etc..

>> jeremy hammond of anonymous plead guilty to hacking into the private intelligence firm stratfor. he says his goal was to shed light on how governments and corporations act behind closed doors. as he faces up to 10 years in prison, an army whistleblower bradley manning appears to go on trial next week. we will speak to julian assange from inside the ecuadorian embassy in london where he has sought political asylum. over the past two years, wikileaks has published millions of files linked to them by hammond, manning, and others. in an embassy, a bunch of cops outside. of course, it is a difficult circumstance, but not more difficult than the circumstances faced by brad demanding in fort

leavenworth or jeremy hammond in new york, or by many other prisoners around the world. >> we will also air secret recordings of a 2011 meeting between julian assange and eric schmidt, the ceo of google. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. a u.s. drone strike in pakistan has killed at least four people and injured four others. pakistani officials say the strike killed the pakistan's second in command of taliban, although it has not been verified. it was the first the drone strike inside pakistan since the country's elections earlier this

month, also the first since president obama's major counterterrorism speech last week bowling for new guidelines. the attack also comes as the pentagon has confirmed a u.s. drone crashed off the coast of somalia on monday. the un's top human rights official, navi pillay, called the use of drone profoundly disturbing. to belso continue profoundly disturbed at the human rights implications of the use of armed drones in the context of counterterrorism and military operations, with an increasing number of states seeking to acquire such weapons. i urge all states to be completely transparent regarding criteria for deploying drone strikes and to ensure their use complies fully with relevant international law.

whereby violations to occur, states should conduct impartial and prompt and effective investigations and provide victims with an effective remedy. comments came's during a human rights convention in geneva. she also called for the u.s. to close guantanamo bay. urged therepeatedly government of the united states of america to close guantanamo bay in compliance with these obligations under international human rights law. acknowledged, president obama statement last thursday outlining practical steps towards closing the detention facilities, such as the lifting of the moratorium on transform -- transfer relevant detainees to yemen. i encourage the u.s. will make sure all measures are carried out in compliance with its

obligations under international human rights law. >> computer hacker jeremy hammond has pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy for hacking into computers of the private intelligence firm stratfor. facing decades behind bars, hammond admitted to being a member of the group anonymous and to stealing files from stratfor, as well as other government and corporate sites. 5 million e-mails ended up on wikileaks, shedding light on how the private intelligence firm monitors activists and spies for corporate clients. in a statement, hammond said he expected the plea deal in part to avoid an overzealous prosecution that could resulted in 30 years in prison. of the hacking of stratfor, hammond said, i believe people have the right to know what corporations are doing behind closed doors. we will have more on his case

and we speak to wikileaks founder julian assange from inside the ecuadorian lot -- embassy in london. federal prosecutors have indicted the operators of the digital currency exchange liberty reserve for what they say could be the largest money laundering scheme in history. the firm is accused of helping criminals worldwide launder over $6 billion in illicit funds. preet bharara, the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, unveiled the charges. >> this was facilitated -- created to facilitate criminal activity. essentially, it was a black market bank. they operated in a way to attract an aide criminals who wished to use a digital currency to break the law and law for the proceeds of their crimes. serious crimes, including identity theft, investment

fraud, computer hacking, child pornography, and even narcotics trafficking. all told, they processed 55 million separate transactions and laundered a staggering $6 billion in criminal proceeds. >> 5 have been arrested so far, including two who will face extradition proceedings from spain. workers at walmart stores in three states are calling -- organizing what they call their largest demonstration to date. hundreds of jobs have begun walking off the job. the current wave of strikes could continue through next week when workers and activists are expected to protest at the annual shareholder meeting in an arkansas. in other wal-mart news, the company has pleaded guilty to illegally dumping hazardous waste, including pesticides, bleach, and fertilizer in

california and missouri. they will pay fines of over $82 million on top of the $29 million it paid four related cases years ago. on tuesday, the u.s. said it backed a european union decision to provide weapons to syrian rebels while condemning russia's move to send anti-aircraft missiles to the regime of bashar al-assad. a state department spokesperson spoke in washington. >> we condemn the continued supply of russian weapons to the regime. this includes all kinds of weapons. we have seen how the regime uses those arms. when we talk about the opposition, that is a different group, people defending themselves in the face of an despicable onslaught of violence. >> two staffers it at the embassy of venezuela have been

wounded in a shooting. the pair worked in the support staff of the office of the u.s. attaché. president obama visited the jersey shore boardwalk on tuesday to observe the progress of recovery efforts seven months after superstorm sandy. both obama and governor chris christie back to keep on working for the devastated areas. the last seven months we got a chance to show the president some of that earlier today. i also made sure he understood there is still a lot more work to do for the people of our state, and i am not going to let anything or anyone get in between me and the completion of the mission to restore and recover our great state. >> part of the reason i wanted to come back here was not to send a message to new jersey, but to folks in oklahoma. when we make a commitment, we have your back, and we mean it.

we will not finish until the work is done. >> after seven months, the red cross has still not spent more than a third of the $300 million it helped to raise four victims. for victims. the group says it has held on to more of the donations for long-term needs. michele bachmann of minnesota has announced she will not seek reelection. she ran for the republican presidential nomination last year and has not ruled out a second bid in 2016. the saudi national initially described in media reports as the suspect in the boston marathon bombings has spoken out about his ordeal. waslrahman ali aharbi initially held as a person of interest under police guard. he was subsequently questioned and had his home searched by

police. speaking to the "islamic monthly," he said that he was harmed by the bombings as well as speculation in the media. >> i am trying to forget it. i have been injured from the explosion and from the media. it is not easy to forget. you are just going to write my from al say that i am qaeda, terrible things. the association providing legal services to poor new yorkers is facing challenges over retirement. over 200 individuals walked off the job earlier this month, citing what they called

crippling demands by management. the organization represents 45,000 low-income residents on issues including evictions, domestic violence, and unemployment. facebook has decided to change its policies following a campaign from feminist activists. for had come under fire posts promoting violence against women, as well as promoting other hate speech. tens of thousands of people targeted facebook's sponsors, leading some of them to pull their ads. thatesday, facebook said it would work with feminist groups to update its policies. the judge overseeing the pretrial hearing of george zimmerman has rejected a number of key bids by the defense. he faces 25 years in prison for killing trayvon martin, an african-american teenager. on tuesday, judge debra nelson

denied a request by attorneys to present testimony about trayvon 's use of marijuana and school history. prosecutors argued it would be irrelevant and would be used to tarnish the teenager's reputation. a bid to delay the trial is set to begin june 10. those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. >> welcome to our viewers and listeners from around the country. we begin today by looking at the case of computer activist jeremy hammond, who made headlines by hacking into the intelligence firm stratfor. documents obtained were later published by the whistleblowing website wikileaks, shedding light on how the private intelligence firm 1 entered activists and spies on corporate

companies. hamadan minute to being a part of the group anonymous and pled guilty to hacking and other institutions, including the fbi. in a statement, hammond said, i did this because i believe people have the right to know what governments and corporations are doing behind closed doors. i did what i believe is right. hammond faces a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. he has already spent 15 months incarcerated. the president emeritus of the center for constitutional rights spoke outside the courthouse on tuesday after hammond pled guilty. jeremy hammond pleaded guilty to one count of hacking into a protected computer. that finishes the case in terms of any other charges. it carries up to a maximum 10 years in prison. the demand is that he gets time served.

>> this is part of a sledgehammer of what the government is doing to people who expose corporate secrets, government secrets, and secrets of an empire. the people that should have been on trial were the very people that jeremy admitted to hacking into, which is the stratfor people who have engaged in corporate spying, along with government corporation, public safety people in arizona, fbi, etc.. >> one of his attorneys also spoke outside the courthouse. >> the united states government has discretion over its case is over who it prosecutes and why, and choosing to prosecute jeremy hammond for exposing corporate secrets and government spying is nothing if not a political position. >> to talk more about the case we are joined by julian assange, the founder of wikileaks.

in february 2012, wikileaks began publishing hundreds of thousands of e-mails obtained by stratfor. julian assange joins us via democracy now! video stream from the ecuadorian embassy in london. he is wanted for questioning in sweden around sexual assault allegations. on tuesday, the ecuadorean foreign minister accused the former government of trampling on his rights by refusing him permission to travel to ecuador. we will be talking about the jeremy hammond, bradley manning, and a bad julian assange's own case this hour. welcome to the show. start off by responding to jeremy hammond pleading guilty and with his case means to you. look good but we know

and what the prosecution agrees with about jeremy hammond. he is a long-term political activist, he has been involved in political activism throughout his political life. the allegation against him is that, through his political activism, he became the journalistic source to which wikileaks and hundreds of other reorganizations in the united states and around the world. the crackdown against jeremy hammond is part of, on the one hand, the crackdown on effective political activists, but also part of the crackdown on alleged journalistic falsehoods. yourwant to turn to attorney, julie assange. he spoke about the e-mails from the private intelligence firm stratfor that were allegedly

published by wikileaks. allegedly, julian assange an wikileaks are published in the stratfor e-mails. so the comparison is that they are now going after a whistleblower and a source, a person that has been a source to journalists. 31 major media around the world in 17 countries published those. he is a whistleblower and a source and should be protected. my client, wikileaks and doing assange, ought to be protected as publishers. >> your response? is part of a wider crackdown against journalistic forces, which has been in the news recently as a result of the fbi and doj taking records of the associated press for fox

news journalist james rosen. that is something that has really risen up under the obama administration. in relation to the espionage act, obama applied it to more journalistic sources and all previous itn ministrations combined going back to the creation of the act. in fact, obama, on his campaign brags that twice as many applications as previously done. that is part of the new centralization of power in the united states. in russia, when we look at the 99 the's, vladimir , vladimir putin

's actions, the same thing has been evolving in the united states in the last 10 years. that is why we see, for example, the state department budget, in its entirety, has been moved under the national security budget. usaid's bucket have similarly been moved under national security. private military contractors, a type oftfor, form oil between these different groups, connecting them in terms up personnel and contracts. the previous group rivaling this

was perhaps finance companies and banks. .ow it is clear who is winning in order to get anything done, like as in russia, you need a sponsor within that group. as a result of its increasing strength and power, is able to command an increasing share of the u.s. tax burden, pulling it to itself. the state department was having its budget decline at about 3% per year in real terms while the military, the intelligence complex was having a similar increase per year. that is presumably why they decided to jettison some of its independent institutions and move into this protected financial umbrella. that shows you the increasing

political strength of the u.s. overurden being ticketed like vultures on a corpse. the biggest boulter can steal more of the blood of u.s. taxpayers. the biggest one right now is the military industrial complex and itis getting bigger, is transferring more power to itself. other competing institutions, like the department of help, pension programs, they also tried to compete politically. in reality, they are not competing as well as they could. so this machine is getting bigger. as it gets bigger, it begins to gain more and more power for itself. the crackdown, in relation to

the has been much pact, is an example of that, going actor activists like jeremy hammond, putting them in prison for 10 years, forcing them to take a .lea this is the same sort of legislation that aaron swartz found himself under. parlay used also in the brand name manning proceedings. theartly used also in bradley manning proceedings. those people who effectively criticized this new central power in the u.s. should not be able to sew. >> in addition to facing a maximum of 10 years in prison,

jeremy hammond may also be required to pay up to $2.5 billion in restitution costs. you have talked about how this is part of a widening range of crackdowns on whistle-blowers. what do you think this kind of precedent this sets, and what kind of example doesn't give people who will be whistleblowers in the future? the obama administration is becoming a sausage factory making political prisoners. bradleyjohn hammond, manning, a number of other examples as well. set is do notey criticize this power block at all. be a way found to criminalize it. manning,ke hammond,

are used as examples in order to decrease criticism and embarrassment on behalf of this new common dominant political institution in the united states. asdo you see jeremy hammond a whistleblower, and why? >> he is not a whistle-blower, he is a political activist. overlaps the mechanism of many different whistleblowers. for example, the alleged activities of bradley manning. very similar sorts of activities. they are going after him because they do not like the results. they are going after bradley manning because they do not like results.

they want to try to keep the parents of authority. pentagon, at allied institutions, like stratfor, cannot keep up the perception of a party if bright young men, courageous and moral, like jeremy hammond seemed to have struck a blow against them and exposed their corrupt activities. >> we are going to take a break. we are speaking with julian assange. he had been granted political asylum by ecuador, in the ecuadorian embassy right now in london. the britishoutside, government says that they will arrest him and extradite him to sweden. we've the top of his case, as long as the case of bradley manning, who is about to go on trial.

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>> "the times they are a- changin" by bob dylan. democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. assange fromjulian the ecuadorian embassy in london. if he steps foot outside, the british government said that he will be arrested and extradited to sweden. if you could, describe your situation right now. physically where you are. you are standing in front of an image. -- howe what that is long have you been inside the embassy? >> right now i am inside the embassy, as i have been for 11 months. before that, i was under house arrest for approximately 590 days, prior to that, solitary

confinement. the image that you see behind you is a frame from collateral fromr, the famous release wikileaks, which displays the murder of two reuters staff and a number of others in baghdad in 2007, which was covered up by the u.s. military. bradley manning has been charged with supplying that video to us and has himself said that he did so. you will see a cannon shell through the front of the band, dead bodies around. of them are the reuter's staff. we had this as a background frame for a talk i did at

oxford, similar to how i am oxford uniond the rejected the whole background by audience, they could not see the footage. ou can google for assange censored oxford. partly to pay tribute to the people that died in this incident, but also to bradley manning, to take a stand against the censorship of oxford, we have presented this background. youince we last spoke to in november, brad demanded has pled guilty -- bradley manning has pled guilty to using classified materials that he

felt should become public, but deny the top charge against him, aiding the enemy. he acknowledged he gave classified documents, among them the video you are describing, would you call collateral murder, which shows the journalists in baghdad being blown up by an apache helicopter, and then the subsequent explosion of the van. he has pled guilty to giving these documents to you. you have always said you would not reveal your sources, but since he has pled guilty to this, can you talk about the significance of what bradley manning gave to wikileaks, and what you published? >> he is making his statements underdress presently. he is facing a capital offense, which barack obama would have to sign.

only a 3%y, there is sign, or thatould a judge would decide to promote a death certificate.

there of the your dacre r oswald the u.s. attack on wikileaks, including myself. witnesses set50 to testify against manning at the trial. among those witnesses, "the

washington post" reports a person they have called a dod operator whose name they have not revealed, who is likely to say osama bin laden received access to some of the materials through an associate because of what manning's revealed. i havelatest information is that there are, in fact, four of those people involved in the osama bin laden raid that will be testifying in one way or another. this is of course part of the show trial. the alleged actions here are communication between a source and a journalist. 141 prosecution witnesses, 31 of them giving secret testimony in part or behind a screen or something like this. this is a show trial. the trial is meant to go for 14

to 16 weeks and the prosecution, pentagon, and possibly what house is hungry for this. this is their bid broadway musical moment. they have their star leaders from the seals and elsewhere that they intend to put up in order to terrorize people from communicating with journalists, communicating with public. >> what do you think the significance is of the fact that over two dozen witnesses will testify in secret? what we a furthering of are seeing, this new political structure of centralized intelligence military power, continues to gain financial and political capital. it is advancing frontiers to the degree where is now conducting extensive secret trials.

the same thing has been introduced in the uk. we all know without open justice there is no justice at all. judges must themselves be on trial before the public as they conduct trials. we are all aware of the terrible abuses in the past that have come about because of secret star chambers. military-ss, the neo- industrial complex has gained enough power where it can you're backed to the earlier times. >> i want to turn to recent australiande by an official. he was asked about your extradition, in the event you were taken to sweden. >> julian assange could have been the subject of the extradition by the u. s in the

past two years. swedishestion that the are after him as a cia conspiracy, allowing him to be bundled off to langley, va., is sheer fantasy. the swedes have one in the u.k. courts. it is about a criminal allegation made in sweden. that is why he is in the ecuadorean embassy. in this, australia has no status. we have no standing in the courts on this. we have made representations to the swede's about him being treated with due process. we have done that three times this month. have that score, do you the assurance that he would never be extradited to the united states? >> it has been our policy for decades that we never extradite someone on a matter related to

military or intelligence. australian the foreign minister. could you comment on what he said? well known liar and australian politics. the man's ignorance is only cooked by his ignorance -- arrogance. a part of the u.s. embassy when he had no business being a part of them. points byhrough these bob carr. he is a master our rhetoric. he says there is no evidence of cra compares the -- conspiracy

designed to smuggle me off to langley, virginia. quite right, but that is not the issue here. the strong man has been constructed. , has mades admitted previous admissions, that the criminal investigation against wikileaks, which australian diplomats have said are unprecedented in scale and nature, continues. the subpoenas that came out as a result of the grand jury always has just two names on them. bradley manning, and my name. those are the only two people named in those opinions. in the manning court case, say, cross-itnesses examined, under oath, that the targets of the grand jury investigation are the founders

and managers of wikileaks, among others. whetherrelation to sweden it extradites, there are a number of issues here. carr says thebob u.s. could ever extradited any time they like. well, just look at .usticeforassange.com it is normal for a grand jury to go for two to three years. the doj admits that the grand jury, in relation to us, is still going. furthermore, it is unlawful for any u.s. official to admit to

the existence of a sealed indictment, even to other u.s. until the person has been arrested will it be ok. what he does not say is that i have never been charged for an offense in sweden. there is a good chance for secret indictment in the u.s., and my lawyers do believe there is a secret indictment, that records from stratfor, obtained by jeremy hammond, revealed the existence of a secret indictment. there is no charge against me in relation to sweden. ae swedes refuse to provide guarantee to me, ecuador, that i will not be re-extradited to the u.s. when i go to sweden. they also say for mellon, also would bebefore, i

imprisoned without charges in heldn, initially incommunicado during their investigation. the head of the swedish supreme court has come out and said that it is normal and correct for police investigating an allegation to have a phone call with the person, take a statement, but they refused to do that, they refused to explain why they are even do that. wasthis whole matter investigated by the most senior member in sweden, who has now been appointed to head up investigations into raise rates -- race rights. one politician went to another

city, got that prosecuted to resurrect the other. >> we are going to break and come back to this discussion. we are speaking to julian assange. he is holed up in the ecuadorian embassy in london. the british government says if he steps outside, he will be extradited to sweden.

♪ [music break] >> democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we're speaking with julian assange, founder and creator of wikileaks, granted political

asylum in ecuador last year. thes currently in ecuadorian embassy in london. also the author of "cypherpunks: freedom and the future of the internet." about theo ask you icelandic supreme court and the around visa whole issue of how the money supply to wikileaks has been cut out of line. explain this latest development. me contextualize it. there are attacks on all fronts against wikileaks. criminal, reputation all, financial, in many different countries. there are also counterattacks that we have been making. in relation to this be set blockade, back in the late

2010, u.s. right wing politicians, like senator lieberman, contacted a number of financial institutions in the cut, and encouraged them to off funds to which it makes as a recipient of donations. mastercard,, visa, paypal, diners club, bank of america, and many others -- tender and financial organizations -- as a result of that pressure is engaged in extrajudicial financial blockades against us and our donors, much the same as they do to cuba, but without any legislative backing or administrative backing. even the u.s. treasury secretary timothy geithner eric

investigated whether we should be formally added to a u.s. blacklist and found there was no legal basis to do so. response, wikileaks has come up for the past year and a half or so, has been biddy -- busy litigating these financial institutions. we won in the lower courts and ice land, and in the supreme court in iceland just a few weeks ago. visavictory stated that .ust open up its gateway they had relented and have opened up the gate way. however, it has also activated what they call another clause in the contract, to shut us back down again on june 30.

between now and midnight june 30, people can donate directly to wikileaks, or otherwise they will have to come and engage in indirect mechanism. the free press foundation was set to do with these sorts of things. if you go to wikileaks .org/donate, you can see we have constructed ways to work around this blockade. unfortunately, they are all a little in direct, so it is a bit of an extra burden, because you do not see that your directly donating to wikileaks, but that you are donating to the free or to a numbern, of other foundations.

donations are tax-deductible. we also have had a lot of action in germany. officials have admitted to renewing our tax deductibility. and the position of my asylum here is such that we have been able to concentrate more of our resources on counterattack and have been successfully engaged in that battle. >> we want to switch gears right now. the ceo of google, eric schmidt, has come up with a new book. we wanted to ask you about a meeting that you had, june 23, 2011. you had a secret five-hour meeting with eric schmidt. at the time, you were under house arrest in england.

also in attendance was jared and lisaott malcomson, shields, vice president on the council on foreign relations. schmidt and cohen requested the meeting to discuss the ideas of the book that they put out. of your to go to part conversation with schmidt and malcomson. this is a recording that you made of that meeting. first time being played in national broadcasts, where you talk about this. a week fromnot mind google, which would be the patriot act request. i have spent quite a lot of

time on this question because i have given a number of criticisms, because they are non-transparent, because the judge's orders are hidden, and , and the answer is, and the laws are quite clear for google in the u.s.. >> we are fighting this case now with twitter. we have done three hearings now, trying to get the names of the other companies that have sealed these subpoenas in the grand jury in the u.s. that is how some of us became aware. i was not called -- >> this issue is concerning you? i can certainly pass on your request to our general counsel.

request is that google argued legally that wikileaks, as an organization, should be informed if the individuals are named. >> yes. >> i will pass that along. >> that is a part of the five- hour conversation you had with the ceo of google, eric schmidt, and scott malcomson, a speechwriter for susan rice. can you talk about the circumstances of the meeting, how you made the recording, and then talk about the substance of what we just heard? >> it is quite interesting to speculate as to the excuse of the meeting being about a book, but there was another side to it as well.

if you look at the way that eric schmidt and jared cohen have been going to north korea, we know with others, that the results of the meeting went very quickly back to the stock -- top of the state department. in some ways, they are becoming informal, deniable ministers for a section of u.s. power. , to is an interesting thing see go resting so heavily on the u.s. state department. >> i want to turn to an excerpt from the book from eric schmidt and jared cohen. in it, the author suggests

wikileaks has endangered lives. they write, neither wikileaks or groups like anonymous are terrorist organizations, although some might claim that hackers who engage in activities like stealing and publishing classified information online might as well be. the information released on which the leaks put lives at risk and inflicted serious diplomatic damage. the authors do not cite a source for their report but they do that trafficthose stolen materials from government enable or encourage espionage. comment onnge, your those remarks from eric schmidt? that engage in espionage want to keep the information they gained for themselves, in order to get competitive knowledge of

advantage over other states, and also to protect their source and operations. there is a reason why all those claims remained uninvited, because they are false. not even the pentagon, in fact, no government organization, claims that the activities of wikileaks have led to the loss of life of a single person, anywhere in the world. if we want to speculate about speculative risks, as opposed to talking about the hundreds of deaths andof cases -- that wikileaks documented, the u.s. being involved in one way or another, then we can go to a nato, reportedby seenn, that nato could not

movinge case of anyone diaries.ult of our war >> let me and with your response to the recently released documents theory -- documentary about wikileaks. this is the former director of the cia. >> everyone has secrets. some of the activities that nation states conduct in order to keep their people free need to be secret. if they are broadly known, you cannot accomplish your work.

let me be candid, we steal secrets. we steal other nation's secrets. one cannot do that above board and be successful for a very long period of time. >> michael hayden, former head of the cia. his statement, we steal secrets, the title that alex used for his documentary. your response, have you seen this documentary? >> the claim and the title are false. it is being spread everywhere, as i have seen it in all sorts of publications. by promotion is being done $2.5 million hijab on my reputation. what is the equivalent title? i make fraudulent films, the story of alex gibney.

in response, we have published the full transcript ahead of the movie release, showing line by line, how he edited statements, stitched them together, et cetera, and did not engage, it seems, into any fact checking. for example, i make a statement that begins with, what they say alex and then i quote gibney. we have just 10 seconds. we would like to ask you to stay with us for a post show discretion. we have many more questions to ask you. speaking to us from the

ecuadorian embassy, founder in chief of wikileaks. democracynow.org. >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. we are asking you to call and write not to let us know that you are in the house. if you appreciate today's broadcast. this is exclusive julie assange for the hour from the ecuadorian embassy. the number to call is 866-359- 4334. like in dvd of today's show, it goes beyond the show that you have just watched. just after we broadcast the show earlier today, we did another hour with julie assange, and we put the whole dvd together, yours for a $75 contribution, if

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