09/29/14 09/29/14 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] >> from pacifica, this is democracy now! this morning we're learning about a new and growing terror threat coming out of syria. you have probably never heard of it. everything about them is classified. -- nearly everything about them is classified. the group considered more dangerous than isis. >> as the u.s. continues to bomb syria we will look at the shadowy khorasan group. a month ago no one had heard of the group, now u.s. officials say it poses a greater threat to the united states. we will speak to murtaza hussain of the intercept.

he and glenn greenwald just wrote a piece titled "the khorasan group: anatomy of a fake terror threat to justify bombing syria." then human rights watch calls for a probe into the death of seven civilians in an u.s. airstrike in syria. then we go to ferguson missouri. >> i want to say to the brown family, no one was not espresso loss of a child can understand what you are feeling. i'm truly sorry for the loss of your son. i'm also sorry that it took so long to remove michael from the street. >> as ferguson's police chief issues his first apology to the family of michael brown, protests continue against the police force. tension escalated this weekend when a police officer was shot in the arm while responding to a burglary unrelated to the protests. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman.

>> u.s. continues to expand military operations in iraq and syria with new deployments and bombings. overnight, us-led warplanes hit grain silos and other targets in northern and eastern syria. the syrian observatory for human rights says the attacks killed a number of civilians, though the toll is unknown. videos emerged of a pair three cities.s in one claimed the bombing had residential neighborhood. us-led offensive hit islamic state positions around the town which has come under a relentless isis assault. the shelling appeared to intensify over the weekend, forcing more residents to flee. more than 150,000 syrian kurds have sought refuge in turkey over the past week. meanwhile in iraq, the pentagon has deployed a division headquarters unit for the first time since the u.s. withdrawal

in 2011. the 200 soldiers from the army's first infantry division headquarters will join the estimated 1200 u.s. troops already inside iraq. speaking at the pentagon, the trip the joint chiefs of staff general martin dempsey that he believes as many as 15,000 rebels will be needed to defeat isis in syria. the u.s. is currently trading around 5000 pulls up >> there has to be a ground component to the campaign against isil in syria and we believe the path to develop that is the syrian moderate opposition. in-state,ver been the with had estimates between 12,000 of 15,000 is what we believe they would need to recapture lost territory and eastern syria. i am confident we can establish their training if we do it right. talks as the strikes continue in a cuddling group -- al qaeda linked group has vowed to retaliate against the united

states. the group's leaders said "people of america, muslims will not stand watching their children bombed and killed and you staying safe in your homes." nusra front had focused on bashar al-assad area. more on the was military campaign in syria in iraq after headlines. pro-democracy demonstrations have grown in hong kong after a police crackdown on student protesters. thousands of college students launched a class boycott last week after the chinese government rejected demands for free elections. after police forces moved in on the students, the crowds swelled to tens of thousands of people in the downtown area. police responded with tear gas and pepper spray in their harshest crackdown since china took control of hong kong in 1997. president obama is hosting indian prime minister narendra modi at the white house today for their first meeting since modi's election in may. on sunday, modi appeared before thousands of indian-americans and dignitaries at new york's

madison square garden arena. modi's visit comes less than a decade after he was barred from the u.s. over his role in anti-muslim riots that left over 1,000 dead. modi was the chief minister of gujarat, where the killings occurred. he has never apologized for or explained his actions at the time. at a counter-protest outside the arena, prachi patankar of the south asia solidarity initiative criticized modi's visit. crooks concern for advancing basic standards of democracy and human rights in india and universally. we believe it is our moral responsibility truth fused to go along with the modi euphoria and voice our concerns and criticisms of bigotry and violence. not doing so not only justifies bigotry, but normalizes acceptance of hateful ideology

and future policies. >> a lawsuit was added in u.s. court seeking to hold them to account for the 2002 anti-muslim riots. white house spokesperson josh earnest said it wouldn't interfere with modi's trip cause of diplomatic immunity. >> sitting heads of government enjoy immunity and personal in viability while in the u.s. means they cannot be persecuted or delivered papers to begin the process of a lawsuit. in addition, as a matter of treaty current heads of delegations to the you in general simply enjoy immunity while in new york to attend you in advance. i don't anticipate it will have any impact on is very important visit here to the u.s. in the white house. odi addressed thousands of concert goers at the global citizen concert in central park on saturday night. cuba has to announce the obama administration for extending the

more than 50 euros bar go. extended these trade and barter for another year. the cuban foreign minister said u.s. restrictions on cuba have worsened under president obama. >> the state department has again included cuba and its unilateral an arbitrary list of states that sponsor international terrorism. increase the persecution about international financial transactions in the whole world and justify the blockade policy. under the president's administration, there's been unprecedented tightening of extraterritorial character of the blockade. with remarkable and unheard of emphasis on financial transactions through the imposition of multimillion fines on banking institutions of third countries. >> the united nations general

sibley has voted overwhelmingly to condemn the u.s. embargo against cuba each year for more than two decades. protests continue in ferguson, missouri, called for the arrest of darren wilson. the officer who killed the unarmed african-american teenager michael brown. on friday, officers dismantled an encampment where activists had been living for the weeks since brown's death. some accused police of excessive force. >> witness peaceful and kamman's. officers with no badges. >> i saw woman hogtied, i saw a young kid who was choked. >> police use detainees as a bargaining chip last night, promising their release if people would stop standing in the street. >> more protests took place over the weekend, including one outside the ferguson police department sunday night. two officers were wounded in separate shootings, but police say they were unrelated. the justice department meanwhile has ordered local police to stop wearing bracelets in support of

the officer who shot michael brown, which read "i am darren wilson." ferguson officers have also been instructed to stop hiding their identity through obscured nametags or not wearing them at all, saying it conveys a message that "officers may seek to act with impunity." we'll have more from ferguson later in the broadcast. california governor jerry brown has signed a measure to end the practice of forced sterilizations in prisons. the move comes after the center for investigative reporting revealed last year nearly 150 female prisoners were surgically sterilized without required -- [no audio]

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a new enemy. the threat did not exist, per se, was a group the people within the syrian opposition faction as being ready to be struck. the entire narrative that developed and the media

developed was put to ally after the strikes. it was interesting ken delaney reported it first in the seceder pressing this was a new threat and a new group. he was one of the first people to break the story afterwards saying use officials not adding more nuances to the previous warnings about the group. -- kindind of verrilli of media spin where they could other thread up from a new terrorist group and then after the strikes have been conducted was just -- justifiable this group, attacked saying there was no threat those imminent and the group itself to not exist, per se. it was really quite a failure of the media. delaneyou mentioned ken and ap. intercept put out another story, the cia's mockup man cleared stories with agency before publication. consumer stan writes --

silverstein writes -- he goes on to say -- your response to that piece? >> essentially, the administration will seek out reporters are played and willing to work with them in the sense of those cia stories, this reporter that it vetted,

promised coverage in exchange for access. the khorasan story first came out with this reporter and the media's role was to ask instead,, but reporters were known to get favorable coverage and known to take the administration's line in exchange for access. here's a reporter who put out the story, they did not vet who the khorasan group was, what the plans are but they put it out the media on its own. >> i want to turn to another piece that you wrote, murtaza hussain, why the of islamic state is not really islamic, which refers to a letter that has been kind of meaning muslims. can you explain who has written this letter and it was sent to?

>> there's an open letter public to the islamic state from over 120 the most prominent religious scholars and scholars in the world. mostly egypt, boston, nigeria and many countries including the united states. they published a letter condemning .5 point the practices of the so-called islamic state. the was done purely from a logical standpoint. have given critique of the group and found provider standards to un islamic. islam is not a monolith. it is subject to interpretation of people who take part in it. his group found them to be anti-passion un islamic. the point was making in the article is when -- i did not find anything islamic and you say they are the definition of islam, you think that are -- to

their legitimacy. it is important to say they may partake in islamic dialogue and they may use symbols of islam, we cannot let anyone group of extremist to find a faith or civilization, which is identified with by over one billion people around the world. >> we will link your pieces at democracynow.org. i want to thank you for being with us. we have been talking to murtaza hussain, who is a reporter with the intercept. piece, "the khorasan group: anatomy of a fake terror threat to justify bombing syria." and "why the islamic state is not really islamic." this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. overnight, u.s.-led warplanes hit grain silos and other targets in northern and eastern syria. according to the syrian observatory for human rights, attacks killed a number of civilians working at the silos.

human rights watch is calling for an investigation of possible unlawful u.s.-led air strikes in syria. at least seven civilians, including including 5 children, in the early morning hours of september 23 in the village of kafr deryan in northern idlib province. local resident abu ossamah said the victims were displaced civilians who had fled the assad regime. >> the military headquarters a far from the city and the mountains. militaryno headquarters inside the city. all of the people who were killed today were displaced civilians from aleppo, fearing the bombs of bashar al-assad, the syrian president. >> local activists at the scene of the attack collected and videotaped the remnants from the weapons used in the strikes. human rights watch reviewed the footage and identified the remnants as debris of a turbofan engine from a tomahawk cruise missile, a weapon that only the

u.s. and british governments possess. human rights watch put out a statement reading in part -- "witness accounts suggest that the attack on the village harmed civilians but did not strike a military target, violating the laws of war by failing to discriminate between combatants and civilians, or that it unlawfully caused civilian loss disproportionate to the expected military advantage." the group has called on the u.s. government to investigate the allegations and publish its findings. on thursday, two days after the attack on the village, pentagon spokesperson rear admiral john kirby said there had been no "credible" reporting of civilian deaths. well, for more, we go now to beirut, lebanon where we're joined on the telephone by nadim houry. he's human rights watch's senior researcher for lebanon and syria and the director of the beirut office. nadim houry, welcome to democracy now! tell us what you have found. >> we were able to speak with three local resident in the

village of kafr deryan who told us there were two separate strikes that evening on the village, one that hit al-nusra group of buildings outside the village and shortly after, missile strikes that destroyed two homes in the village that killed seven civilians as well as two men. there are some contradictory information about the identities of these two men. one said they may have been missouri while others said they may have been civilians. will others said they may have insulin's. been civilians. , remnants of the tomahawk cruise missile in a video that was used on those homes. >> talk about the significance of this. >> the first step is what we need is more clarity of exactly what happened. this is why we are calling for

an investigation. right now we have local testimony. the area is very hard for us to reach, very dangerous a we are not able to go there ourselves. we believe the u.s. should disclose what information it has and should investigate because there is credible information that civilians were killed and that these strikes may have been illegal because there's no evidence -- evidence of any voluntary target. secondly, there's an important issue to be discussed which is these strikes are supposed to be about protecting civilians encountering terrorists. if they're going to actually attract more support for groups northerna and isis in syria and ultimately, will be self-defeating of any initiative to protect civilians. i think this important to have full transparency about these strikes. and also to remember, really, u.s. airstrikes have to respect international law but also take all precautionary measures to minimize civilian harm.

>> john kirby said the military is aware of the reports of civilian casualties from u.s. airstrikes in syria. the skeptical of their accuracy. he told the associated press -- is that enough for you, nadim houry? >> not at this stage. we have accounts coming from local resident saying there were two different areas targeted, when outside the village and one inside the village. u.s. still has not disclosed what they were trying to hit. the dismissiveness we've seen over the last few days is not very encouraging. of course, it may take time, but clearly, this is very expensive weaponry used. clearly, there were trying to hit something and is important to understand what it was and

what measures are being taken to minimize the civilian harm. we're hoping the u.s. administration would give more details, would conduct an investigation and actually give their answers. if not gotten a definite answer about what was hit. we're credible permission from three separate sources indicating at least seven siblings were killed, putting five children. we have their names and images for some of the victims and we also have video evidence that what destroyed these homes were these kids were was most likely he was tomahawk missile. the burden shifts now on the u.s. army just sort of say, ok, these are the precautionary measures we took and this is why we think there's no credible reporting there were civilian casualties because, clearly, we find the information to be credible. >> this report from reuters today, us-led airstrikes hit grain silos and other targets in islamic state controlled territory in northern and eastern syria overnight, killing civilians and wounding militants. the aircraft may have mistaken the mills and grain storage areas in the northern syrian

base,or an islamic state according to the british-based syrian observatory for human rights. do you have any more information on this? >> not yet. we've seen the reports and we are trying to confirm the information. it is very hard to reach people there these days. what i can to you is people there, one person in particular, has contacted us because their relative in that town and a were very wary because some relatives are actually being detained by the islamic's date. there civilians. they're worried the u.s. would be striking these prisons. there is a lot of fear in northern syria today that some of the strikes will injure civilians. we have to investigate these particular claims about civilians being killed. isis is not just present outside of town. they have administration buildings in the middle of town. some are military installations, others are being used by isis to administer the town including courts and prisons where they

are holding inmates and so forth. we just have to, you know, gather more information. clearly, there is a high risk for celine casualties, and this is why we are calling for us to take maximum cautions to minimize civilian harm and to avoid any strike that would directly target civilians or a strike that would have disproportionate impact on civilians, victims, versus the military advantage that would be had. this is very important for the lawfulness of these strikes, but also very important for what the u.s. is trying to achieve in syria at the end of the day. these sort of strikes will end alienating many civilians in northern syria. we still don't know enough, and that is what we're calling for maximum transparency from u.s. army. talks can you talk about the shifting alliances? you have the syrian president al-assad voicing his support for any international anti-terrorism

efforts. you have people fleeing from the assad regime. can you talk about what is happening in syria right now? >> obviously, it is very complicated. the first point to keep in mind is the issue is not -- the good guys and the bad guys and let's figure out who the good guys are or not. we have seen, for example, the al-assad regime, it's army has committed systematic crimes against two men. we have seen some groups such as isis and the nusra front commit crimes against humanity as well as rebel groups. the key is, a lot of these alliances are localized. the we're seeing now is -- enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. we see the syrian government is quite happy to see strikes coming down on isis, particularly, nusra as well,

while they are clearly -- the us government has made it clear they don't consider the al-assad government to be a legitimate partner. we have also seen opposition groups, more mainstream groups divided in their views. some have welcomed u.s. strikes on isis because they have also been attacked by isis, while others are afraid what you strikes will end up doing is reinforcing assad -- the assad government. it is confusing on one level, but the main guidance for us should be protection of civilians. i think one keeps this principle in mind, it will actually clarify and make it easier to pursue certain priorities in syria. >> nadim houry, thank you for being with us, human rights watch is senior researcher in lebanon and syria. speaking to us from beirut, lebanon. as we turn now to continue to

talk about the us military operations in iraq and syria, we turn to president obama's eking on cbs "60 minutes" saying the us underestimated the rise of the islamic state. >> we may have underestimated what has been taking place in syria. essentially what happened with isil was you had al qaeda and iraq, which was a vicious group but our marines are able to quash with the help of the sunni tribes. they went back underground. over the past couple of years during the chaos of the syrian civil war, were essentially you have huge swaths of the country that are completely and governed, they were able to reconstitute themselves and take advantage of that chaos. >> that was president obama. joining us down washington, d.c., raed jarrar, iraqi-american lager and political analyst.

your assessment of what is happening right now and president obama statement that they underestimated the strength of the islamic state? and think it is evident suggest the contrary. the u.s. and its allies have been exaggerating isis, especially the threat of isis to the united states. there are very credible analysis coming from the united states itself, from the fbi and the national counterterrorism center, saying there is the imminent threat to the u.s. coming from isis. actually, even the united states lastlyl memo to the u.n. justifying its intervention in syria did not really mention isis is posing a threat to the u.s., but rather mentioned the khorasan, a meadow group, -- a

made a group, therefore the u.s. has to go and self-defense. the reality on the ground is, isis is definitely a problem. it is an extra mr. group and it is a manifestation -- extremist a manifestation of humanitarian, political, and military disaster in iraq, but isis doesn't really pose any threat that is credible to neighboring states such as turkey or iran or saudi arabia or jordan. let alone, states that are thousands of miles away in europe and the united states. so i would agree with the president statement that there was some miscalculation, but i think it was the other way around. this continues to be the other way around. it is a miscalculation of exaggeration rather than underestimation.

, if war was not an option, what do you feel the u.s. should do? what would be a peaceful solution to what is happening right now in iraq and syria? >> war is one of the options all the time for the u.s., but war is not working. it is not a good idea. the use of military force has been tried before to deal with extremist groups in iraq and elsewhere, and it has failed miserably. so the premise that we can bomb the country into moderation doesn't really have evidence on the ground. we have never done that in the past. usually, military intervention, especially foreign military intervention by the united states, has rated the stating political -- has very devastating political and humanitarian results on the ground. i want to give a couple of examples of how the us military

intervention is delaying and making a political solution harder. syria, as was mentioned earlier, the u.s. is bombing both isis and nadim houry front. --nusra front. nusra front is one of the main drivers of isis. the bloodiest battles in the past couple of years has happened between nusra and isis. the fact he was is bombing these rivals, it is making a position as a whole weaker because the of theseopposite sides rebels fighting but on the other hand, which is more important, the u.s. is helping unite these extremist groups that had been finding, rather than help draw a wedge between them and keep them separate. and isis are on their way to unite as a common enemy.

other groups, even those vetted by the u.s., have been condemning the u.s. attacks against nusra because they see nusra as one of their allies. there was a public statement by the free syrian army a couple of days ago condemning u.s. strikes. they can see the u.s. attack is making things were confiscated in syria. in iraq, it is the same. they're very legitimate groups in the sunni areas of the control of the iraqi government and they have legitimate grievances that can be addressed through the political process. by bombing them and by funding and training shiite and kurdish militias who are as bad as isis when it comes to their atrocities in iraq which we are doing -- the u.s. is helping unite isis with these were legitimate actors who have been tolerant -- not big fans of isis, but tolerant of isis

because they thought they could use it as leverage. our bombs are helping unite isis with these actors rather than isolate them. these other problems. i think the real solution, the real lasting solution, will be a political and social one. in iraq, many prospects of social and political solutions in the last couple of years. the u.s. did not really help push that agenda forward. it kept the situation deteriorating in iraq and although it has some leverage. until now, i think are some possibilities for real political and social solution in iraq that would rejoin or help rejoin all of the sunni legitimate actors who've been pushed out of the political system. and isolate political extremism, including the one that is coming from isis. but why we are bombing iraq and syria, i don't think that would happen. delay anymbs will

real solution, if not make them very complicated and hard to college. >> raed jarrar, thank you for being with us, iraqi-american blogger and political analyst. with and the segment remembrance of jacob george, and afghanistan war veteran and peace activist who took his own life earlier this month. george cofounded the afghan veterans against the war committee, part of iraq veterans against the war. in 2011, he and fellow veteran brock mcintosh returned to afghanistan to meet with young afghan peace activist. mcintosh remembers george bonding with the 15-year-old wasan boy who, like george, a farmer. together, they discussed "the absurdity of poor farmers being sent to kill poor farmers while people are starving." mcintosh said. george was also a musician who biked around the united states

playing music for peace. in 2012, at the nato summit in chicago, he was among the veterans who hurled their military medals for the nato summit gave in an act of protest against the wars in iraq and afghanistan. >> my name is jacob george, from arkansas. i met veteran of the war. i have one word for this global war on terrorism decoration, and that is shame. jacob george spoke openly about his struggles with post-traumatic stress disorder and with getting v.a. counselors to understand what he saw as a moral injury from his time in afghanistan. in a storybook that accompanied his musical album "soldier's heart," he wrote --

jacob george killed himself on september 17, one week after president obama unveiled the new u.s. military mission against isis in iraq and syria. george was 32 years old. we go to break with jacob george singing "soldier's heart."

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george committed suicide september 17, and afghan war veteran. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. as we turn to ferguson, missouri, were protests are continuing over last month police shooting of 18 euros michael brown. tension escalated over the weekend when a police officer in ferguson, missouri, was shot in the arm. a new round of protests erupted thursday when thomas jackson released a video apologizing to brown's family more than six weeks after he was killed. >> i want to say this to the brown family. no one who is not expensive loss of a child can understand what you are feeling. i'm truly sorry for the loss of your's done. i'm also sorry it took so long to remove michael from the street. the time that it took involved a very important work on the part of investigators who were try to collect evidence and gain a true

picture of what happened that day. but it was just too long, and i'm truly sorry for that. cox hours later, the chief jackson addressed protesters directly, as they shouted questions at him. >> you don't have to accept that. they came from i heart. i had to get that off my chest. that is been sitting in for two months. >> y two months? why two months? >> i know, i know -- >> [indiscernible] why is he on paid leave? >> after this exchange, chief jackson accepted protesters' request to join in their march. but almost immediately, his fellow officers began shoving demonstrators and creating what many observers described as a melée. the parents of michael brown told the associated press on saturday they were unmoved by chief jackson's apology. >> i would not talk to him. i don't want words, i want

action. be whenpology will been charged has with murder. they say this is america. we're not getting treated like we are americans. our fight is to open other eyes, to understand how we are feeling and try to get something done. louis more, we go to st. where we're joined by patricia bynes, democratic committeewoman of ferguson township. she is now doing weekly workshops on civic engagement with ferguson united, which includes several state representatives and fergusons's only african-american city councilmember, dwyane james. patricia bynes, welcome back to democracy now! we were with you in the streets of ferguson. can you talk about what has taken place over these last few days?

the apology from the police chief, the parents responses we just heard, and even the shooting of the officers this weekend, although, it is not considered related to the protests. >> good morning. thursday was a very busy day with the apology and then later on that night, it seemed like the officers instigated a fight. there were several arrests that night. a woman was even knocked unconscious the police and she was carried by her hands and feet to jail. after thursday, it was a pair we were going to have a long weekend and that is what we had. friday on the protest site, it was very silent. not too much activity. i think that is because everyone was tired. the protesters in the officers. saturday night when those officers were shot at, which was

unrelated to the protest. they were not anywhere near the protest site. of course, it is horrible that people are shooting at police officers. that is never something that needs to happen. it is getting very scary. it is raising the attention of the officers and of the community. we are not in a very good place. even last night at the protest, we had what was called white allies row i because we wanted to show this is not just a black issue but a human issue. there were eight arrest made last night. they do open to the crowd to pick people they wanted to arrest. based on basically fire activity and how they were acting that night. things are still high. >> just to be clear, one of the police officers shot in the arm, he was investigating something at the ferguson community center and another was not a ferguson officer, a st. louis officer who , in his own

clothes, in his own car, on the highway and there was some kind of drive-by shooting that broke the glass and he was not seriously injured. again, even the police are saying this is not related. i wanted to ask you about the photo that surfaced last week on social media that allegedly to pick's a ferguson police officer wearing the "i am during wilson" bracelet in support of the officer who killed michael brown . missouri highway patrol captain ron johnson confirmed the bracelets existence and said they were a personal statement for the officers wearing them. on friday, the justice department's civil rights division sent a letter to ferguson police chief tom jackson indicating he had agreed to give it ferguson officers from wearing the bracelets while in uniform and on duty. the letter said jackson is said he would make sure the other municipal agencies working in ferguson would prohibit their officers from wearing the bracelets as well. your response, patricia bynes?

>> i agree with that request. we're still having problems here with officers of the law being in proper uniform. on thursday night, i personally observed officers not wearing their nametags. on friday, i called the chief of police of the minister palavi that he represented and asked what is being done about this since the justice department came out with a statement on wednesday saying officers are are supposed to be wearing name tags. i cannot say this for myself, but protesters said they saw an officer wearing an "i am darren wilson" bracelet. i went and spoke with the line commander and asked them to please investigate that. we are still having problems with law enforcement showing up in proper uniforms. this is a problem. the seriousness of the "i am

during wilson" race with is that it incites and causes tension. that is not a part of police professional uniform. what they do on her personal time and how they choose to dress, that is one thing. when we are in a situation where there is protesting, that is not appropriate. that was a good call from the department of justice. we're still having problems. i am personally going to be following up and asking questions when i see officers without nametags on. i will be calling their chiefs of police and notify me department of justice. >> i want to ask you about another protest about a death in police custody. september 19 and page still, police said they found 21-year-old kimberlee randle king dead in her jail cell. the death was ruled a suicide which prompted protests from skeptical family and her supporters. this is her sister and god sister. said she strangled

herself with her shirt. there's no way. no way possible. we need answers. we need how and why. we're not asking for much. we need solid answers. >> that was kandice king and rachel west. patricia bynes, do note much about this? >> protests are continuing to happen about this incidents. under the family is saying she was not suicidal. she was just brought in for a traffic ticket. when i see people being knocked unconscious myself by the police of people being body slammed and bruce, it makes me wonder the amount of force that is taking past having're well a serious problem with police enforcement here in the settlers county area. >> and the grand jury decision on whether to indict darren wilson, when that will come down? >> i have not heard anything thinkingn still

there's a chance for that to happen in october and i feel like it should. i believe october is a fair -- to timeframe to give go over thoroughly and transparent as possible of this evidence. stop having this committed the -- >> haven't they said november or january? >> that is what they said. when they found out how angry it made the community, all of a sudden, the prosecutor obama cola started doing interviews saying it is still possible that we could get something back in early out over. >> patricia bynes, thank you for the update, continuing to spend her time both in the streets and working on reconciliation in the community and monitoring the police. that does it for our show. democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to outreach@democracynow.org or mail them to democracy now! p.o. box 693 new york, new york 10013. [captioning made possible by democracy now!]