12/10/14 12/10/14 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] >> from lima, peru, this is democracy now. wereme of the tactics that written about in the report were brutal. as i've said before, it constituted torture in my mind. that is not who we are. >> waterboarding.

rectal hydration. buzzing drills. sexual abuse with broomsticks. these are just some of the torture techniques mentioned in the shocking new senate investigation of the cia's post-9/11 interrogation program. we will speak to reed brody of human rights watch who has spent a lifetime trying to bring torturers to justice around the world. should bush administration officials be the next ones prosecuted? then to the u.n. climate change conference here in lima, peru. as the world marks international human rights day, we will look at how peru has become one of the most dangerous countries in the world for environmentalists. plus, we will speak to nigerian environmental leader nnimmo bassey and to brazilian indigenous leader chief ninawa huni kui. >> the corporations that are polluting and destroying nature come indigenous peoples protect mother earth. we defend our mother because she

is our mother, because she gives us food. she gives us the air we breathe. she gives us the amazon. in the amazon is important not just for indigenous people, it is important for the whole world. >> all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are broadcasting from lima, peru. the release of senate findings on the post-9/11 u.s. torture program has sparked shock and outrage over the cia's abuses, and renewed calls for the prosecution of the officials who authorized and carried them out. the senate report details a list of torture methods used on prisoners -- waterboarding, sexual abuse with broomsticks, "rectal feeding" or "rectal hydration." prisoners were threatened with buzzing power drills.

some captives were deprived of sleep for up to 180 hours, at times with their hands shackled above their heads. the torture was carried out at black sites in afghanistan, lithuania, romania, poland, thailand, and a secret site on the guantanamo naval base known as strawberry fields. speaking on the senate floor, the chair of the senate intelligence committee, dianne feinstein, said the report forces the u.s. to say "never again." >> there are those who will seize upon the report and say, see what the americans did? and they will try to use it to justify evil actions or incite more violence. we can't prevent that, but history will judge us by our commitment to adjust society governed by law and the willingness to face an ugly truth and say, never again. >> the report concludes the cia failed to disrupt a single plot

despite torturing al qaeda and other captives in secret prisons worldwide between 2002 and 2006. cia officials were also found to have routinely misled the media, congress, and the white house on the torture methods and their ineffectiveness. in response to the report, president obama said the findings underscore why he ended the torture program after taking office. tactics that were written about in the intelligence report were brutal. as i've said before, it constituted torture in my mind and that is not who we are. and so although i am concerned about potential ramifications overseas and we have taken precautionary steps to try to mitigate any additional risks, i think it was important for us to

we can this so that account for, so that people understand precisely why i banded these progress -- processes is one of the first x when i came in office, and hopefully, make sure we don't make those mistakes again. >> while president obama into the torture program, he has long rejected calls to prosecute the officials involved. in a statement wednesday, obama maintained his stance, calling on the nation not to refight old arguments. major human rights groups, cute in human rights watch, are calling for president bush and other administration officials to face investigation. we will have more on this story after the headlines. congressional lawmakers have finalized a spending bill to avoid a government shutdown before the thursday deadline. the $1.1 trillion measure will fund all government agencies through september except for the department of homeland security,

whose allocation expires in february. that will let republicans challenge president obama's execution action granting a reprieve to up to 5 million undocumented immigrants. the bill also includes cuts to retiree benefits at some multi-employer pension plans, sparking criticism from advocates. in a victory for republicans, the environmental protection agency will lose $60 million in funding, and its workforce reduced to its lowest level in 25 years. a house vote is expected on thursday. protests have continued in new york city for a seventh straight night since a grand jury decision not to indict a police officer for the death of eric garner. on tuesday, demonstrators staged a die-in inside grand central station, laying on the ground, simulating choking, and chanting garner's last words, "i can't breathe."

>> are you serious? i didn't did nothing. it stops today. i'm done. >> a group of high schoolers staged a walkout, marching to the brooklyn office of federal prosecutor and attorney general nominee loretta lynch to demand federal intervention. a group of young black activists have organized what they're calling a "millions march" in new york city as part of a national day of action on saturday. meanwhile, protests against police killings of unarmed african-americans also continue nationwide. in phoenix, around 200 people rallied over the most recent victim, 34-year old rumain brisbon. police shot brisbon last week after mistaking a pill bottle in his pocket for a gun. at the march, protesters remembered brisbon and demanded justice over this death.

cork's first and formerly, he was a family man. definitely there for his kids. loving, caring, a very good friend everyone. cook's i'm here for justice for all minorities. >> we're not going to stand for the murdering of people. people are unarmed when they are being murdered right now. evenhave no reason to be following them. he was racially profiled, and that is huge problem in arizona. >> the rally was led by brisbon's nine-year old daughter, one of his four children. the united nations says it's received pledges from 28 countries to take in over 100,000 syrian refugees. the announcement follows a u.n. plea for western countries to open their doors to more of syria's 3.2 million displaced people. u.n. high commissioner for refugees antonio guterres unveiled the pledges on tuesday.

>> today, 28 countries expressed their solidarity with the syrian refugees, but also with the five neighboring countries hosting them -- lebanon, jordan, turkey, iraq, and egypt. offering what we estimate will be more than 100,000 opportunities for resettlement and humanitarian admission. had 66,000 254 -- 66,254 confirmed pledges. >> the u.n. world food program has also resumed food aid to over 1.7 million syrian refugees after a funding shortfall forced it to suspend deliveries earlier this month. an emergency fundraising drive netted over $80 million. iraq has asked the obama administration for more air strikes and military aid to combat the islamic state.

speaking during a visit to baghdad, outgoing defense secretary chuck hagel said the request will be considered. requestpecific firepoweradditional was one we did discuss. and i appreciated his directness in that discussion. we talked about how, in fact, and he noted this, the united states has accelerated many of the weapons systems in the platforms that iraq will need and continue to require, like hellfire missiles. the last few months, we've put that on a fast track. >> the iraqi government request for more air strikes comes as the obama administration has asked congress for broad authority to attack the islamic state anywhere in the world. testifying before a senate panel, secretary of state john

kerry said tuesday that any congressional measure to authorize u.s. military force on isis should not limit the campaign to iraq and syria. kerry also says the measure should not prevent obama from deploying combat troops if need be. a palestinian minister has died after confrontation with israeli troops at a west bank protest. the head of the palestinian authority's anti-wall and settlement commission was taking part in an action against the separation wall when israeli soldiers reportedly assaulted him. witnesses he collapsed after being head butted and hid in the chest and died after inhaling large amounts of tear gas. he was 55 years old. georgia has executed a death row prisoner after his last-minute appeal was denied. robert wayne holsey was convicted of murdering a police officer in 1997. defense lawyers had filed a challenge on the basis holsey's

original attorney was drinking up to a quart of vodka a day during his murder trial. they argued the lawyer failed to present evidence that could have helped his client's case, including a traumatizing childhood and an intellectual deficit that bordered on disability. and the obama administration has unveiled new limits on racial profiling by federal law enforcement agencies. for the first time, the fbi will no longer be able to claim a bush-era exemption for racial profiling in cases deemed to concern national security. the rules also expand the definition of illegal profiling to include religion, national origin, gender and sexual orientation. but they contain major exemptions, including for department of homeland security agents at airports and border checkpoints. a number of controversial tactics will also remain in place, include the mapping of ethnic communities and using that information to launch probes and recruit informants.

the rules do not apply to local or state law enforcement agencies just as their tactics come under wide scrutiny over racial profiling. and the former president of the corporation that contaminated drinking water in west virginia earlier this year has been arrested on charges of criminal fraud. gary southern is accused of bankruptcy fraud, wire fraud, and lying under oath during freedom industries' bankruptcy proceedings following the spill. prosecutors say southern developed a scheme to shield himself from lawsuits and protect his personal fortune from liability claims. more than 300,000 west virginians were left without drinking water and dozens were hospitalized after freedom industries spilled a coal-cleaning chemical into the elk river. and the pakistani education activist and indian child rights activist have been only awarded

the nobel peace prize today. at age 17, she is the youngest person ever to win a nobel prize. in 2012, she would shot in the head by taliban gunmen who courted her school bus. she survived and continued to campaign for the rights of girls to go to school. decades0, a leader for and international movement against child slavery and the exportation of child workers. but a ceremony in oslo today, both laureates were honored as champions of peace. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. graphic new details of the post-9/11 u.s. torture program came to light on tuesday when the senate intelligence committee released a 500-page summary of its investigation into the cia. the report concluded that the intelligence agency failed to disrupt a single plot despite torturing al qaeda and other captives in secret prisons worldwide between 2002 and 2006.

senator dianne feinstein, chair of the senate intelligence committee, outlined the report's key findings. enhanced the cia's interrogation techniques were not an effective way to gather intelligence information. second, the cia provided extensive amount of inaccurate information about the operation of the program and its effectiveness to the white house, the department of justice, congress, the cia inspector general, the media, and the american public. third, cia's management of the program was inadequate and deeply flawed. in fourth, the cia program was far more brutal than people were led to believe. >> the senate report details a list of torture methods used on prisoners -- waterboarding,

sexual threats with broomsticks, "rectal feeding" or "rectal hydration." in one case, a prisoner had his entire lunch tray puréed and administered by in the month. prisoners were threatened with buzzing power drills. some captives were deprived of sleep for up to 180 hours, at times with their hands shackled above their heads. speaking on the floor of the senate tuesday, feinstin discussed the death of gul rahman at a cia black site north of kabul afghanistan known as the salt pit. >> the cia placed a junior officer with no relevant experience in charge of the site. another --r 2002, and otherwise healthy detainee was being held mostly nude and change a concrete floor, died at the facility from what is believed to of been hypothermia. 2003,erviews conducted in

by the cia officer of the inspector general, cia's leadership acknowledged that they had little or no awareness of operations at this specific cia detention site. >> senator feinstein discussing the death of gul rahman. the report shows he was only detained due to mistaken identity. in another case, a detainee was subjected to icewater baths and 66 hours of standing sleep deprivation before being released the cousin the cia discovered he was likely not the person he was believed to be. according to the senate report, the cia ran black sites in afghanistan, lithuania, romania, poland, thailand, and a secret site on the guantanamo naval base known as strawberry fields. the senate report released tuesday is just the summary of much longer investigation into cia's torture practices.

key parts of the summary were redacted. the names of two psychologists who helped the cia create the torture program are not included in the summary. the report does detail that the psychologists -- whose names are james mitchell and bruce jessen -- received an $81 million contract from the cia. so far, no one involved in the cia interrogation program has been charged with a crime, with one exception, the whistleblower john kiriakou. in 2007, he became the first person with direct knowledge of the cia interrogation program to publicly reveal its existence. he is currently serving a 30 month sentence. for more on the senate torture report, we are joined by reed brody, counsel and spokesperson for human rights watch. he's written several reports for human rights watch on prisoner mistreatment in the war on terror, including a 2011 report which called for a criminal investigation of senior bush administration officials.

reed, since i'm speaking to you from limit, peru and there is a satellite delay, if you could just lay out the most critical points that have come out in this, again, just the summary, not the actual thousands of pages that are still classified, but the remarkable revelations in the summary that has been released by the senate intelligence committee. >> sure, amy. as you say, the first thing that thely jumps out is just sheer pervasiveness of the brutality. i mean, even those of us who have been looking at this for the last 10 years -- as one of my colleagues said, maybe not surprised, but shocked. you described the rectal rectal hydration.

this was not just one prisoner, this was a number of prisoners. they were used according to the cia documents as the means of behavior control. i mean, this is -- an iv infusion placed up somebody's actum and the person is in forward facing position, their head lower than their torso, i which point you put in a rectal tube with an iv. the flow will regulate, slashing of the large intestines. you put up the tube as large as you can, then he opened the iv wide. no need to squeeze the back, let gravity do the work. this is rape. this is the cia discussing in e-mails and documents the methods they're using to rape detainees. in the saltho died

pit in afghanistan, who was partially nude and chained to concrete floor who died from suspected hypothermia. at least three detainees were threatened with harm to their families, threats to the children of detainees, threats to sexually abuse the mother of a detainee, a detainee told that he would never be allowed to leave alive. detainees placed in icewater baths. people shackled in dark cells. alled by the cia's people dungeon. this is medieval stuff. -- it really -- i had say, it is really shocking, even for me. as you mentioned, this was a dysfunctional program. program wasation

essentially outsourced to these two psychologists, who you mentioned. and neither psychologist had any experience as an interrogator. they had no specialized knowledge of al qaeda. no background in counterterrorism or any relevant linguistic or cultural information. as you pointed out, they received $81 million. in these contractors made up 85% -- or their company that they created and other contractors made up 85% of the workforce for these detainee operations. at the same time, that it was run amok, there was a culture. this is important to understand. of just, let them loose. on a number of occasions, there were complaints. things went up to headquarters. the word that came back was, look, we would rather be safe than sorry. in one case, no action was taken

against the cia officer for wrongful detention because "the director strongly believes mistakes should be expected in a business filled with uncertainty." the director believes the scales tipped decisively in favor of accepting mistakes that over connect the dots rather than under connect them. even in the case of the death from suspected hypothermia that we talked about, headquarters decided not to take action because they were motivated to extract any and all operational information. you pointed out, i think probably the key thing being discussed in washington today is the conclusion that no actionable intelligence that could not have been garnered by other means were extracted through this program. the committee went through 20 incidents in which the cia

claimed to have garnered actionable intelligence that was used to capture people or the foil plots. and in each of those 20 incidents, the committee found either that the intelligence already existed, that it wasn't used, or that the plot in fact didn't exist. thele particularly focus on capture of osama bin laden and edification of the courier -- and the identification of the courier who led the u.s. to osama bin laden. in the committee found that the vast majority of the telogen's about the courier was "originally acquired from sources unrelated to the ca detention and interrogation program." the most accurate information was provided prior to the cia's subjecting of the detainee to enhanced interrogation techniques. another thing lisa here constantly is -- we see

constantly is the desire to evade the law. you referred to an dianne feinstein -- what i found to be a remarkable speech on the thete floor -- referred to lies. there are a lot of little tidbit that we find in his report. for instance, you mentioned there was an addition to the black sites in foreign countries, there was a black side of guantánamo. in the 2004, the supreme court basically said the constitution applies in guantánamo. at that point, the detainees who were in guantánamo shipped out of guantánamo. detainees, ofa course. they were sent to morocco. actually, what is interesting tidbit in the report is that they were actually placed in a moroccan jail as opposed to the other countries were they were placed in cia facilities. the problem is, they were so

close to the moroccan prisoners, they could hear the moroccan prisoners screaming. in thailand,cases, afghanistan, poland, romania, the cia detention centers were far away -- they were cia detention centers. what is interesting in this report about those centers is the kind of diplomatic cost of ining cia detention centers another country. often, the ambassadors to those countries were not informed or were only informed after the deal was done. therder to basically buy cooperation of these countries, the u.s. had to offer them wish -- of what they wanted. in one very interesting note in the report, it shows the perverse effect of having a cia

detention center, the secretary of state in 2004 ordered a u.s. ambassador in an unnamed country to do marsh the country to ask that country provide for its to the full access international committee of the red cross. of course, at the same time, the u.s. had prisoners in the country who it was keeping secret. obviously, not available to the red cross. final and probably most important point is, i guess, what is not in this report. with onert -- it deals aspect of one part of the detainee mistreatment in the war on terror. it deals with the cia prisoners

held in black sites. it does not, for instance, deal with renditions by the cia. so there's no mention in here of the cia sending prisoners to places like syria under bashar aressad where people tortured. it does not talk about people being sent to libya under moammar qaddafi's intelligence agencies where they were tortured. it is not talk about people being sent to egypt. and it doesn't talk about what the pentagon was doing. it doesn't talk about the programs approved by donald rumsfeld. importantly,more by focusing everything on the cia, it tends to kind of let off the hook all of those people above who authorized these programs.

so we know that from president bush's own memoirs that he authorized waterboarding. by's president dick cheney, attorney general john nash croft , white house counsel alberto gonzales, these are all people who signed off on the authorization of these techniques, not to mention the lawyers, people like john yoo and jay bybee who gave the legal authorization for this. presidentu had obama's remarks in which he said it was important that this report be made public so that, hopefully, we won't make these mistakes again. these aren't mistakes. these are crimes. dianne feinstein, in her senate remarks, refer to the u.n. convention against torture, which says that torture can never be justified under any

circumstance. well, that convention says something else. it says torture must be prosecuted. that when someone is alleged to of committed torture, the case must be referred to the competent authorities for the purpose of prosecution. thatassurance do we have this is not going to happen again? it is not enough to say, well, we tortured some folks, this was a bad policy choice, i'm going to put a stop to the torture. it is not a policy choice. it is a crime. there needs to be -- if this is really going -- if there really going to be any deterrence for this not happening again, there needs to be prosecution. and it is wonderful -- you have talked about human rights watch's work around the world. human rights organizations regularly come up when countries

commit torture, when individuals commit torture, we call on those countries to hold the abusers to account. and that has to be the same thing for the united states. we believe, as you mentioned, and we're not the only ones, the united nations has said the same, amnesty international has said the same, that there is a case to answer for senior u.s. leaders for -- on charges of torture for the things in his report and for the wider authorizations that they gave for torture and war crimes to be committed. , thank you very much for being with us. reed brody is counsel and spokesperson for human rights watch. he's written several reports for human rights watch on prisoner mistreatment in the war on terror. we will link to the latest executive summary of the senate report that has been released.

we bring you more on this in the days to come. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are broadcasting from lima, peru, where the u.n. climate summit is taking place. when we come back, we will be nnimmo bassey of nigeria. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

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opening some money of the u.n. climate summit. they were practicing in the walkways here, the site, the very well fortified site, where this u.n. climate summit is happening. many of the citizen actions happening miles away from here. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are broadcasting from the united nations climate summit in lima, peru, where high level talks got under way tuesday. during a dramatic ceremony that included performances by peruvian dancers and musicians, bolivian president evo morales called on the delegates to include the wisdom of indigenous people in the global agreement to address climate change. during a later news conference morales called on the richest , countries to take responsibility for the role they played in climate change. >> sometimes in this type of event, whereal garments are presented, the deep causes of global warming are not

dealt with. we only remain at the effect of global warming. and we are convinced [indiscernible] that represents the different social movements of bolivia, that the origin of global warming lies in capitalism. if we could end to capitalism, and this is something we should do on a global level, we would have a solution. this is why it is important to integrate our peoples. >> the when secretary-general ban ki-moon also addressed the u.n. climate conference on tuesday and took questions from the press after his speech. >> mike burke from democracy now! many churches investment funds in schools have joined a movement to divest from fossil fuel companies. i'm wondering if you support this movement? >> it is encouraging these days that there is a great awareness

that theyllingness are now investing their resources into more sustainable energy. of course, practically speaking, in the real world, the fossil to beay have to continue used as our energy sources. more about the state of the climate talks, we're joined right now here in lima, , nigerianimmo bassey environmental activist and the director of health of mother earth foundation. he's the author of, "to cook a continent: destructive extraction and climate crisis in africa." how is this climate summit going? it is the 20th, -- climate summit. do you hold out any hope? >> unfortunately, i would like to be hopeful, but with regard

to the conference of parties on climate change, i believe that there was a big to roman from copenhagen at cops 15. there is no real reason to think there's going to be something ,hat we can say, yes, finally the world is on track with global warming. with these situations where nations are arguing and debating over figures, nothing to show that climate change is something that has been scientifically investigated, and there must be a way to evaluate aggregate actions by different countries that would be a resort to tackle the problem. right from the copenhagen accord, everybody is moving in the direction of voluntary commitment to reduce emissions. president evo morales said there's really no indication

that the world -- the rich nations of this world are ready to tackle global warming at source. what is causing global warming? one of the major causes is the dependence on fossil fuels. the world bank am a other agencies, have all indicated unless of two 80% of known --sil fuel results this reserves are left in the ground, there will be a temperature increase. if things about how to offset the coalition so [indiscernible] in rich countries to continue with business as usual. talk about the effects of climate change on africa and particularly, nigeria? >> the threat of climate change is real already. it is not something for the future. africa is so central in the role of this because africa

experiences 50% more in terms of temperature rise in the global average. if the global average goes up by 2% celsius, and after, it would be three degrees celsius. if it goes to six degrees, that would be nine degrees. africa is said to be roasted. it is horrible. [indiscernible] with the assault on land grabs and everything, we are being squeezed. nigeria, 6 million people were displaced by flooding in one year. over 300 lost their lives. similar flooding across the continent. we are also having the challenge of sea level rise. have a commendation of

sea level rise in land swap, you're having a heightened impact. we also see from research, if it continues the way it is going, by 2050, we will have more than 50% increase on conflict in the continent. this is something i don't want to think about. can you explain what redd is, what it stands for and what it means for the african continent? >> it is the mechanism that has been introduced -- >> r-e-d-d. >> reducing emission for deforestation and t degradation. when you look at the practice on the ground, it is just a couple of markets where polluting industries in rich nations

instead of stopping pollution at source, with secure forests in latin america or somewhere else and forced in the global north, so -- redd -- >> explain how it works. for example, the state of california can invest in an area in brazil, which we will talk about in a moment, and what happens to that area? so california can then pollute further. but what are they doing in brazil? >> what they would do in brazil is the forest dependent colonies would now be more or less displaced. if i take this back to africa, i will speak the displacement of the people in kenya who have been displaced from their forests.

we've had the displaced of thousands in uganda are ready. in nigeria, part of it is being secured -- >> so people are forced out of their communities? >> essentially, this is happening. people are being forced out with military power, military might, forest treesre -- are being seen as stocks, not trees anymore. this may move on to issues of not just carbon increase but -- farmers will be farming carbon rather than growing food for people to eat. also for the united nations, the forest -- a plantation is accepted as a forest. redd is said to [indiscernible] this would mean more displacement of committees, more displacement of farming land and

will affect food prices in the region. >> nnimmo bassey, thank you for being with us, niger and and by mental activist and the director of health of mother earth foundation. we will be speaking to him more later in the week. he's the author of, "to cook a continent: destructive extraction and climate crisis in africa." as we turn now to the late nigerian environment list can saro-wiwa who was executed in 1995. ,efore we go, the significance what, 19 years later of ken who fought for the ogoni nigerian people. >> he inspired me to be committed to environmental justice activism. thes 20 years, glad to say , where degradation

has gone on for over 50 years, people are more resolute than ever. an assessment of the ogoni [indiscernible] have isng what we destruction -- almost reversible. pollution as deep as five meters [indiscernible] three years after the report, [indiscernible] >> nnimmo bassey them a thank you so much, as we turn right now to the controversial carbon trading that he was talking about known as redd.

protest not only in africa, but south america, specially in the amazon. earlier this week, i interviewed chief ninawa huni kui, president of the federation of thehuni kui. he traveled to voice his opposition to redd. and i ame is ninawa president of the federation of the hu people in the brazilian amazonni kui. >> how many people do you represent? >> i represent 10,400 people in 90 villages and two indigenous territories in five provinces in the brazilian amazon. >> can you talk why have come to lima for the u.n. climate summit? what is your message? to lima with the hope

of telling the world that the historic discussions here at cop 20 amongst the 100 and five countries and indigenous people of the world and civil society of the world on climate change are historic. of course, the people of the world include indigenous peoples of the world, and we are here to denounce the problems that the governments are causing in our territory. my message is from my people and the children and elders of my

community, and we are saying the climate change proposals that the government is tabling here at the united nations are false solutions to climate change, specifically, we are here to denounce red. r-e-d-d. reducing emissions from deforestation and forced the predation. >> how does redd affect your community? is thehe first impact state is one of the first in the world that is promoting redd in the first state of the brazilian amazon doing redd. it has already violated convention 169 of the international labor organization, which guarantees toigenous peoples rights free and prior informed consent and the right to say no to projects that a sep affect us.

indigenous people have not been consulted about redd, and it is moving forward. so the second impact is it has divided indigenous leaders who before were united to defend the territories and mother earth. a third impact of redd is that it has resulted in some leaders accepting money and bought cars with that money and they don't even know where that money is from and what it means. another impact is that the government of brazil, because it is opening its doors to this carbon offset mechanism, is that onis gutting the laws

indigenous peoples rights and the guarantees it has been tried to protect rights to our territories. >> can you talk about the effect on the ground of redd? what happens in your community when it is enforced? the impacts are the following -- the community is to longer to fish in their own land, to cultivate food, to practice .griculture all of these activities are banned and have been declared illegal and people are jailed if they participate in agriculture or go fishing. so another impact is that it is a very cruel impact of redd

pilot project, is that leaders are being criminalized for opposing the project. told thatities are the services provided for education or transportation or iflth care will be suspended they oppose the project. >> what are the communities expected to do? are they given the money to move? >> the truth of what is happening is that there is now a program that pays the community gets not enough to live on for the month and there

been an prohibited from going into the forest so the government can sell carbon credits to multinational corporations in other parts of the world to offset their pollution. >> have you been offered money? government offered 2 million to my community. they said it was to motivate strengthening of our culture, but we understood it as a precursor to winning the acceptance of signing the redd contract. >> and who are the corporations and government entities, states in the united states, that are doing this in brazil? >> there are many actors that are promoting redd that have given money to the state to do

redd. one is the state of california and the united states, but there also multinational corporations that are offering money to our government to do redd. gave the 2014, germany government 200ur million to do redd. >> you talked about the criminalization of leaders who oppose redd. you are a leader who opposes redd. have you been threatened? threats, have received but i'm not the only one who has received threats. leaders of other indigenous peoples have also received threats for resisting redd and other people's and leaders are

andecuted and criminalized our right and freedom of expression association and our freedoms to struggle and to oppose it, is being violated. i, myself, have denounced redd and have also received death threats. , what you saynawa to those who say this is an of our mental solution, that if corporations -- environment also the in's, that if corporations or states that are going to pollute, that if they want to invest in places that remain pristine, that are not polluted? those thatpond to say it is a solution that redd is not a solution to climate change, it is a false solution to climate change will stop furthermore, indigenous peoples

are not the ones causing climate change. baronzil, the biggest soy is receiving funding and subsidies from the brazilian government to cut down the forest. this is not a solution to climate change. and furthermore, redd is criminalizing us. really, if they care about real solutions, they have got to talk to the lobbying companies, the soy barons, the corporations that are polluting and destroying nature. indigenous peoples protect mother earth. we defend our mother. because she is our mother. because she gives us food. she gives us the air we breathe. she gives us the amazon. in the amazon is important, not just for indigenous people, but for the whole world. was chief ninawa huni kui, president of the huni kui

in brazil as he sings us through our break. ♪ [music break] >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. peru him as we and today show, protesters are gathering downtown lima for what organizers hope will be the largest climate margin history of south america. on tuesday, democracy now! visited the convergent state

that has become a key organizing hub ahead of the march. we are running this .onvergence space this is a temporary location for local groups and also international groups, activists, artists, cultural group, citizens and activists in general to come and gather and learn from each other, share experiences. we have workshop spaces, meeting spaces and an alternative radio space in this house as well. the ideas for people to come in exchange and prepare actions, specifically focusing on the march tomorrow, wednesday, which we're hoping will be the biggest climate rally in latin america in history. so we are preparing very much for that. i am here with the movement from bolivia. we are running this space currently. when we see the changes as a

result of a system problem. we are trying to build alternatives across the whole system starting by how we live as people. our key point is about community. we're trying to live together in this house. summer living here and others are coming to work every day. we're trying to find ways to collaborate, to understand each other, sharing so many people in this space. we're also working with food as a real alternative. we have a project called conscious food, which is about eating food in rejecting the gmo's,tional companies, like chemicals, trying to eat ensuringnatural foods food set have an environment impact within the committed the kitchen. every day, we have lunch and dinner as a way of bringing people together in our community. >> i am from bolivia.

i am from a movement called conscience food. the movement began with a group of us climate change activists realizing the relationship between decisions we made about food and its impact on climate change. around climatesm change, we started to distribute more healthy food and put aside food products that him at war greenhouse gas -- emit more greenhouse gases. it started to evolve with this house and part of the active earth bolivia movement and actions around the cop and the people's summit. the convergent space here in lima, peru. tune in tomorrow for coverage of today's climate march. democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to outreach@democracynow.org or mail them to

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