was a kick in the stomach -- listen, i cry every day. my wife cries every day. here and gohan sit into a shell, we felt like we had to do something and channel our grief into a way that perhaps we can make a change and make a difference. this is what alison would have wanted us to do. we realize -- i realized that day, the governor terry mcauliffe called me probably four hours after this happened, and at that point, i had made up my mind that i was going to do whatever it takes to try and stop this. and he said, andy, i got your back. he said, you go for it, i'm right with you. amy: that is the governor of virginia. so what are you doing? can you talk about who you are taking on? what lobbies, what congress members? you are naming names. >> absolutely. the people that are -- well,

what a particular, bob goodlatte who is the chairman of the house judiciary committee that has got over 100 bills elated to gun legislation that have been sitting on his desk. he is the gatekeeper and will not hold hearings on this. ironically, he is the congressman that covers the area where alison lived. and i have met with this guy. his comment to me and chris -- chris and i both met with him. his comment to me was, well, we really need to enforce the laws that we have on the books. and i said, really, commerce meant? so the laws on the books are working? he said, oh, we have all these laws on the books and we cannot prosecute. the irony of it is, and he has been atf -- former atf agent on his staff. the irony is, he has cut back --

he and his colleagues have helped cut back funding for the atf. they have the same staff that they had 40 years ago. they have less enforcement officers within the d.c. police do, and he is telling me that we need to enforce these laws. meanwhile, he cuts funding for the atf. it is hypocrisy. it is duplicity. and frankly, he has blood on his hands. he takes money from the nra. it is the same with michael mccaul who supposed to be protecting us as the house chairman for homeland security. and i watched him last week right after the oregon shootings. i was on cnn doing an interview and i watched him after mine. the news correspondent noah was interviewing him was trying to pin him down on what can you do?

do you want to close these loopholes? is or something you would do? the issue.o round their whole fallback is, it is mental health. it is not a gun problem, it is a mental health problem. sure, it is a mental health problem. we can do things in this country. we can close gun loopholes. we can do universal background checks. is it going to be a cure-all? of course not, but you have to start and do something. and i said in my next interview after that, listening to this guy, he made me want to throw up. here's a guy that homeland security, the fbi has 1000 people on its no-fly list, and mccall and goodlett helped the nra block efforts to keep these people from getting firearms. go figure. they can't fly, but they can get a weapon. i mean, it is insane. it is hypocrisy. like i said, these guys are

gutless calibers -- cowards that blood on their hands. amy: you midget nra several times. the ability of the nra in the gunman defectors who back them to basically subvert the will of the majority of the american people who do support tougher gun controls, why do you think they've been so successful? they have done -- you have to give the devil his due and i say that literally and figuratively, but mostly literally. they have had a 30 year jump on folks like every town which i have joined -- it is a recently new organization that mayor bloomberg has started. but the nra through the gun lobby -- you know, by the way, the nra only has a few members. i don't even think they have 100,000 members in this country. but where they get the millions of millions of dollars that they final into these campaigns comes

from the gunman you fractures. every time one of the shootings happens, there gun sales go through the roof. so they love the stuff. they will continue to fund through the nra -- the nra is really nothing more than a lobby. some make over $1 million that fund money to numbers of congress. and they intimidate them and they're just afraid to lose the money. mcauliffeike terry rant against the nra in a red state, got a "f" rating from the nra and won as governor, so can be done. at the people who are in the pockets of the nra and the gun lobby, they have blood on the hands and they are cowards. amy: i want to get your reaction to another father, to the father of the oregon gunman who killed the nine people last week at umpqusa community college who is

also criticized u.s. government policies, which he says allows his son to amass an arsenal of weapons. ian mercer, father of chris harper-mercer, made the comments in an interview with cnn. >> the question i would like to ask is, how on earth could he compile 13 guns? how can that happen? talk about gun laws. they talk about gun control. every time something like this happens, they talk about it and nothing is done. i'm not trying to say that is to blame for what happened, but if chris had not been able to get a hold of 13 guns, it would not have happened. amy: that is ian mercer, father of chris harper mercer. could talk, if you to that and also that chris harper-mercer had cited the man who killed your daughter, alison, as an example that he was a nobody who then was on the

lips of the world because of the people he killed. isamy, part of the problem we have a lot of bad parenting out there. unfortunately, you can't legislate bad parenting. you can't do anything about it. it you can do things like universal background checks and closing gun loopholes to at least help prevent these things, to mitigate some of this bad parenting. i want to know, certainly, he gets it, and from what i understand he does she never saw his son much, they lived apart on a but i want to know what his mother was doing and as we read these revelations that she -- she had an arsenal herself and was clearly involved in this young man's life. frankly, she should be an

accessory to murder. account of her having all the weapons and bragging about it. she had to know something was up. listen, my son has asperger's. he is scared to death. ,ost kids that have asperger's they are quiet and shy kids. they are usually bullied, which my son was, and they just shy away from these kinds of things. but we also were involved in his life and made sure that he became a good citizen. obviously, this woman, this mother was worthless. and as i say, somebody should charge her as being an accessory to murder. juan: i was wondering, also, your reaction to the obvious frustration that president obama has been showing in his recent theements about some of

recent mass shootings? well, i am glad that he has finally addressed it the way he did. he must've been listening to some of the earlier interviews that i've done, because it sounds like you took it right from my playbook. have theis, we don't world's market cornered on mental illness, but somehow we have the world's market cornered on mental illness and people that are mentally ill and other criminals that can evade background checks and have access to weapons. and this has got to stop. i think as long as he keeps this up, i think between the president using the bully pulpit to not let this go away, i think the press -- because alison was one of you guys. she was a member of the fraternity. the press has been so kind and

time withs with their this effort. they understand -- look, it could have been one of you guys. it could have been his cameraman that is here with me today. it could have been one of you. and so i think -- i think it is different this time. i really do. and i think we are putting a dent in it. and i think these congressman that we're calling out, that i ancalling out, it is having effect. amy: andy parker, we are going to break they come back to you or you live in virginia and we will also be joined by gun control expert, senior vice president at the center for american progress. i want to ask you about some of the comments of the presidential candidates and what they mean to you. we're talking to andy parker, the father of alison parker who was killed on air in roanoke,

virginia. she worked for wdbj along with her cameramen adam ward when they were broadcasting live, by a former anchor on that network or former reporter on wdbj. we will be back in a minute. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the issue of gun regulation is emerging as a hot topic in the presidential or on the presidential campaign trail. on monday, democratic presidential hopeful hillary clinton vowed to curb gun violence. quite it is a leading cause of death for young african-american men. the second leading cause for young hispanic man, the fourth leading cause for young white men.

violenceemic of gun knows no boundaries, no snow knows no any kind -- limits of any kind. and when this happens, people are quick to say that they offer their thoughts and prayers. that is not enough. how many people have to die before we actually aren't? before we come together as a nation? ideally, what i would love to see is gun owners responsible gun owners, hunters, form a different organization and take back the second amendment from these extremists. juan: meanwhile republican , presidential candidates have avoided any discussion of gun control in wake of last week's massacre at umpqua community college. donald trump told nbc's "meet the press" that mass shooters

are "geniuses in a certain way. they are going to be able to break the system." meanwhile, john kasich told the u.s. hispanic chamber of commerce, "i don't think gun control would solve this problem. the deeper issue is alienation. the deeper issue is loneliness." and ben carson implied that the oregon shooting victims didn't do enough to save themselves, and suggested he would have been more aggressive in confronting the attacker. and jeb bush seemed to shrug off last week's mass shooting saying on friday afternoon "stuff happens." >> we're in a difficult time in our country, and i don't think -- the answer to this. i think we need to reconnect ourselves with everyone else. it is sad to see. i resist the notion -- i had this challenge as governor. stuff happens. there is always a crisis. the opals is always to do something, and it is not necessarily the right thing to do.

amy: donald trump also argued against gun control in the wake of the oregon shooting saying the shooting highlights the need to address mental illness issues. this was ben carson in his own words on fox. fox not only would i probably not cooperate with him, i would not just stand there and let him shoot me. i would say, hey, guys, everybody attack them. he may shoot me, but he can't get us all. amy: still with us from collinsville, virginia is andy parker, whose daughter, the journalist alison parker, was shot dead on the air in august along with her cameramen adam ward. your response to what ben said, to what donald trump has said, to what hillary clinton is said, and what you understand bernie sanders thinks? >> you know, let's start with ben carson. for him to say that. i guarantee you he would be running like the coward that he is.

that -- icomment like would do this and i would do that -- it is an affront and it is an insult. the other republican candidates, i will -- the second one is jeb bush who shrugged it off as you said and said, "stuff happens." i mean, really? ticket,e republican each one of these candidates, their reaction is in a well, let's do nothing. which is, einstein's definition of insanity, which is what we have now. -- certainly, mental health is the issue here, but there is got to be a way and there is a way to wrap these things together. the laws so some of that mental health professionals can talk to law enforcement and say, look, this guy is a ticking time bomb. employers back and say, look,

don't hire this guy because he was escorted out the door by police -- which is the case with alyson's shooter. there are issues there that it is like cancer. you don't treat cancer with one therapy. you go the path of least resistance first and that is universal background checks and closing the gun loopholes, then you address the other mental health issues and employment issues. oh, tosit there and say, suggest we do anything, nothing is going to work. that doesn't fly anymore. glad that secretary clinton stood up and has taken the lead on this. i just hope that she doesn't backtrack. bernie sanders has had a very dubious record in terms of his votes on gun control, so i'm not sure where he stands now.

but i know ms. clinton is the one that is at least standing up and making herself -- she has made a clear choice for voters in the upcoming election between her and the other republicans who deny this thing. there again, guess what? they're getting money from the nra. they have blood on her hands. amy: sanders cited several issues. currently, he says, he will be releasing more conference of package that could join people across different opinions. andy parker. >> i look forward to seeing that from him. a lot of thetected gun manufacturers with his votes

several years ago that were very, very dubious. i am glad to hear that he is perhaps coming around on this. juan: and your sense, andy parker, martin o'malley also who used to be in our neighboring state of maryland, his positions? he has called for stricter background checks and tougher laws as well. your sense of his track record? >> you know, i honestly don't know enough about governor o'malley to comment on that, but i think generally speaking, -- it should not be a partisan issue. the reality is, 90% of republicans don't support any kind of gun legislation, and just the reverse, 90% of the democrats do. i know peter king, john mccain,

you know, they support common sense gun legislation. and let me also make something clear. this is an argument that the gun lobby -- whenever you try and advance or suggest any kind of reasonable, commonsense legislation, their immediate knee-jerk reaction is, they're coming to take away our guns. it is an assault on the second amendment. the second amendment -- chief justice burger suggested 30 years ago that -- and i think most people realize that the intent was not to arm every man, woman, and child him it was for militias. that was back when they were using muskets and they were used to make sure the british invaded again, that there were militias there to help defend the country. that was its intent. and that is what these guys --

every time you say, it suggests meaningful solutions to end gun violence, "oh, you're coming away to take our guns." it is a false narrative. amy: andy parker, we're also joined by arkadi gerney a senior vice president for the center for american progress you previously worked as special advisor and first deputy criminal justice coordinator to new york city mayor michael bloomberg. he managed mayors against illegal guns, a national coalition that mayor bloomberg co-chairs. arkadi gerney, talk about what you think most needs to happen right now. the conversation on television mainly these days is, you're talking about mentally ill people or criminals. they're going to get around the laws, so whatever regulations you put in place, law-abiding people will abide by them and they won't be armed and in the criminals in the mentally ill will be armed and they will just gun them down.

amy.anks, first, i want to offer my condolences to andy parker. he has just shown incredible courage in making his voice heard under, of course, extremely difficult circumstances. so thank you for that. to answer the question, if you look at the united states and compare it to other countries, we have normal levels of crime, violent crime come and compared to other advanced countries. we have mental health disorders at normal rates compared to other advanced countries, but we have levels of murder and gun murders that are way out of line with other highly developed countries. if you look within the united states, ecb states with -- you see the states with the strongest gun laws have the lowest rates of gun homicide and gun suicides, significantly lower rates, than those with the weakest gun laws. and study after study has shown that.

there isea that nothing that we can do about it is just false. and if you look at other challenges that we face in our country, for example, car accidents, we have been able to make cars in the last 60 years five times safer for every mile that a person drives in the united states today, they are five times less likely to die than they would have been 55 or 60 years ago. and that wasn't one intervention, it was a whole bunch of measures from seatbelts to airbags to drunk driving laws to culture change to better road signage. but we found a way to both culture, butcar make it much, much safer. and that is what we need to do with guns. juan: arkadi gerney, you have talked about it is not just the mass shootings that occur. honestly, they get all the attention in the media. but it is the day in, day out

gun violence that occurs in america and that rarely gets much coverage at all outside the local area in which it happens. can you talk about that? >> yes. what happened to alison parker was absolutely terrible, but had it not been broadcast on tv, two people getting killed is not national news in the united states, and it happens every day. in fact, 33 people are murdered with guns every single day in the united states. that is a virginia tech scale mass shooting. the virginia tech shooting was the most deadly mass shooting in u.s. history, but it is happening across the country every single day. it is very hard for our politicians and for the national media to pay attention to it, to bring life to the stories. and we tend to only pay attention to these spectacular shootings, these mass shootings that are, of course, really awful, but underlying that is

the everyday gun violence, which is just taking incredible toll. it as up to 11,000 or 12,000 gun murders a year, and another 20,000, 21,000 than suicides and accidents. altogether, 33,000 americans every year we're losing to gun violence. it is an incredible number. and the idea that we can't do something about it is wrong. all the evidence suggests we can do something about it, and we're not going to get that number 20, but if we can reduce it by 1%, .hat is saving 330 lives if we can reduce it by 10%, that 00 lives, as many people as died on 9/11. amy: arkadi gerney, you have your of story about why you're so interested in this issue. >> yeah, my father died when i was young. my mother was planning to get remarried and the person she was

going to get remarried to was shot, murdered in a random act of violence. i think the remarkable thing in the u.s. is that it is simply not uncommon for americans to know someone who has been shot and killed. it happens so frequently, that 70 people are touched by it -- that so many people are touched by it. the toll of gun violence disproportionately affects some part of our country, the sum disproportionally impacting young people and people of color, but if you look at it all, it affects all kinds of people. young, old, black, white. and there is something we can do about it. we want to try to spare more people from the experience that andy parker is going through and so many people have gone through, of seeing a loved one

lost to this. juan: could you talk about the grassroots movement you became a part of with former mayor michael bloomberg when the mayors of cities across the country faced with the failure of congress to act began banding together to try to do something about gun violence? gunsthink the politics of is in the process of changing. in the movement for stronger gun laws is growing much, much longer and has been growing stronger over several years. but when i started working on this issue in 2006, there was barely any support, even among democrats in washington, to do anything. and really among the elected officials, the only stakeholders who are ready to sort of put their political capital and themselves on the line tended to be mayors. because mayors are held accountable for crime. they saw what it was doing to their cities. mayor bloomberg and the mayor of

boston built this coalition which has grown to more than 1000 mayors. what we see now is the movement for stronger gun laws is very diverse. it is mayors, mothers, all kinds of people coming out of the woodwork. and we are seeing at the state level, progress in many states -- not just blue states, but purple states like colorado, which strengthened gun laws after newtown. we've seen ballot initiatives like in washington state last votedhere 60% of voters for universal background checks. amy: arkadi gerney, we're going to lose the satellite to andy parker in a moment. i want to ask, are you thinking of running for public office? i think of kill them apart the whose husband was killed -- i think of kevin mccarthy's husband was killed many years ago. she went to her congressman and he said, he is not for gun control and she said, then i'm going to replace you, and she did. are you thinking about this?

andy parker? >> are you asking me? i'm sorry. i'm sorry, am i thinking about running? >amy: yes. >> no. i feel like i am better served andn advocate and activist. you never say never, but i feel like that is my role at this point is to find the people to replace these people that are to come to our way of thinking on this issue. thise got no plans at point. amy: we will continue the conversation. i want to thank you. again, our condolences. andy parker, the father of alison parker, who along with her cameraman adam ward, were gunned down as it were broadcasting live on television at her television station wdbj. they were outside interviewing the head of u.s. chamber of commerce when they were killed.

arkadi gerney, senior vice president at the center for american progress, thank you as well. we will be back in a minute. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman today's show with steven salaita. last year, his job offer from the university of illinois at urbana-champaign was withdrawn after he posted tweets harshly critical of the 2014 israeli assault on gaza. urbana-champaign had come under pressure from donors, students, parents and alumni critical of , salaita's views, with some

threatening to withdraw financial support. the move was criticized both in and outside the school, with administrators accused of political censorship. amy: thousands of academics signed petitions calling for professor salaita's reinstatement, and several lecturers canceled appearances at the school in protest. the american association of university professors called the school's actions inimical to academic freedom and due process. in august, the university of painois urbana shot president resigned in a scandal that involved attempting to hide emails detailing salaita's ouster. also in august, federal judge allowed for lawsuit filed by professor steven salaita against the university to proceed. we're joined now by steven salaita, the edward w. said chair of american studies at the american university of beirut. his book, "uncivil rites: palestine and the limits of academic freedom," has just been published.

also with us his attorney maria lahood. we welcome you both to democracy now! professor, talk about these latest developments. what has taken place around your case. >> over the summer, there was an entire sort of freedom of information act don't of e-mails -- dump of the mills that led to an intensification of the situation that led to the resignation of chancellor wise and her second-in-command, the provost. amy: explain what happened. >> the e-mails that were released sort of pointed to a wide range of interests, converging around the issue of my twitter feed, which i find both amusing and mortifying simultaneously. there was donor pressure and there was a conscious effort to circumvent the open records

laws, but also a conscious effort to undermine all of the normal processes of faculty governance. juan: there were allegations the chancellor and others at the school were using private e-mail accounts to avoid having their conversations about you and the reaction to you accessible to public information request? amy: this is sounding presidential. >> exactly. it said in writing, "i'm deleting the e-mails as i send them." amy: the chancellor was forced to resign. explain who else. the board also changed? >> nobody from the board has resigned. the former chairman of the board of trustees -- amy: robert kennedy son? chairman ofas the the board that presided over a guess my termination last august. he has rotated off. the chancellor and the provost are gone, but the board remains intact. juan: maria lahood, and the status of the lawsuit and the grounds upon which you are

pursuing legal action against the university? >> the professor's case against the university is for breach of contract as well as violations of his first amendment right and do process rights. the university attempted to dismiss it, claiming there was no contract, claiming his tweets were not protected and the court rejected that saying, of course i was a contract. if there wasn't, the academic hiring process as we know it would fail to -- would cease to exist. of course, his tweets are protected by the first amendment. there in the public interest. they were in a public forum. the university acknowledges that it was the tweets are the reason for his termination. amy: are you hoping to come back to the united states and teach at the university of illinois urbana-champaign? >> the primary concern of the lawsuit. amy: explain what happened. explain where you are working on the job offer, etc.

>> i was at virginia tech will stop i was a tenured english professor and offered the job at the university of illinois. i subsequently signed a contract it the university of illinois countersigned and every thing was set up for me to move and begin my position. within around a week of my physical move from virginia tech one way, i received a termination letter out of nowhere from the chancellor, which sort of through my life into disarray. an this said i did not have income, health insurance or place to live. amy: your whole family was moving. >> yeah, whole family. we ended up living with my parents. after around a year of going to different places around the country and speaking about the situation, i was offered a one-year visiting professorship at the university of beirut. that is where i am now. juan: i want to ask about the firestorm this has created an academic circles. some have come out in support of you. but there was particular professor at university of

illinois am a terry nelson, a former leader who basically has supported the university, even though he himself in the past has supported weren't sure chill after he was fired by the university of colorado, supported norman single sting when norman has been gone after terms of tenured situation. your response to professor nelson's stance? >> it is a fantastic example of what a blind illogical ideological- commitment to israel will lead one into. theade a choice between preservation of academic freedom and the preservation of israel's reputation, and you chose the. it is no more complicated than that. amy: were you surprised by the level of the response in support of you being allowed to teach at the university of illinois, both at the student level, university

associations? explain all the levels that came to your defense. and what most surprised you. >> what most surprised me was the revelations of how many people were working behind the scenes on the university side to re from this hig happening, to prevent me from coming on campus. that was most surprising. i wasn't expecting this intensity of response. as i wrote in the book, i expected academic trade publications to be interested in this, the people in the fields of american indian studies, people interested in palestine. is sort of took off. it signals the fact there is long been a profound frustration with the move towards corporatization happening in universities, and a lot of people see this as a very exquisite point around which they can rally. demandria lahood, the

ultimately of this lawsuit and where it goes from here? and has been a president for someone who has been hired, fired from the university then going back to teach their? >> first of all, professor steven salaita case is unprecedented. the fact he was severely dismissed because of his tweets is unprecedented. the lawsuit seeks his reinstatement, seeks compensation for all of his losses and punitive damages. e-mailsve seen with the coming out, the university knew exactly what it was doing, what -- even before chancellor wise since a termination letter said, well, whoever sent that, i'm going to be deposed. she knew. they knew what they were doing. i don't want to put all of the blame on her. it wasn't just her who was responsible. the board was also responsible. amy: did in the chancellor say she was caring the water? >> kennedy says she was supposed

to put forth a united front, but she was doing what the board wanted. the board has sort of skated free and committee himself got an award of courage for leading the charge and firing professor salaita. she is not feel the one responsible. of thehe revelations e-mail on the firing of the chancellor now, that is going to strengthen your case if it ever comes to trial? >> well, i think the fact that all of these e-mails have come out -- and they should continue to come out. we are in the middle of discovery now, so we are expecting more documents, more records. we will have depositions. who knows what more we will find out? hopefully, the university is in a position where they don't want to just have resignations, but they also want to do justice and actually reinstate professorsalaita. has documented

hundreds of cases of palestinian rights activists in the united states thing harassed, disciplined, fired, sued, threatened for their advocacy around palestine. 85% of these cases targeted students or scholars. professor, can you talk about this in your own case? >> it is a stunning report, although, its earnings are not necessarily surprising for those of us who have been involved in issues of palestine advocacy on campus. we know there has long been forms of debt in some cases there is the criminalization. people whose jobs don't get tenured. students get their chapter shutdown sometimes. it is fantastic and groundbreaking to have a similar document that chronicles some of these incidents. nearly 300s incidents is less than two years, which is a pretty stunning number.

amy: did the chancellor resign or was she fired, by the way? >> she resigned. but -- she resigned under a deal in which she was supposed to receive what was allegedly the remainder of her contract amount, but the board rejected.. $400,000. she still gets -- she will still be on a paid sabbatical for a year and get to return to her 200,000 dollars, $300,000 faculty position, unlike professor steven salaita. amy: in the timetable of this lawsuit? when would you be back teaching at the university of illinois? >> we're still engaged in discovery. amy: we want to thank you both for being with us, professor steven salaita is now edward w. at said chair of american studies at the american university of beirut. last year, his job offer from the university of illinois at urbana-champaign was withdrawn after he posted tweets harshly critical of the 2014 israeli assault on gaza. his book, "uncivil rites: palestine and the limits of

academic freedom," has just been published. and thank you to maria lahood. that doesn't for the show. democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to outreach@democracynow.org or maççç

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