[captioning made possible by democracy now!] ♪ from the democratic national convention inin philadelphia, this is democracy now! >> and, if there are any little girls who stayed up late to watch, let me just say, i may become the first woman president , but one of you is next. amy: hillary clinton secures the democratic residential nomination, becoming the first woman to head the ticket of a major party in u.s. history. she reached the milestone after

her rival senator bernie sanders moved to give her the party's nomination. moments after sanders spoke hundreds of his delegagates wald , out of the convention. it was an entirely organic, grassroots, nonhierarchical effort among a group of delegates who were hearing increasingly deep concerns from constituents that their voices were not going to be heard at the convention and a feeling of moral obligation to do what we could to represent them as they would want us to. amy: we will also hear from the mothers of the movement -- the parents of african-americans whosose deaths spurred the black lives matter movement. afraidary clinton isn't to say that black lives matatte. to sit at araid

table with grieving mothers and bear the full force of our english. -- anguish. amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now, witithcynow.org, breaking coconvention, war, peace, and presididcy. i'm amy gogoodman with juauan gonzalez. hillary clinton has become the first woman to head the ticket of a major ticket -- party in u.s. history even as the nominating progress -- process was marked by dissent. during the roll call vote, bernie sanders joined the vermont delegation and moved to presidentialy's nomination by acclamation. >> madam chair, i move that the convention suspends the procedural rules, imovie that

all votes -- i move that all votes cast by delegates be reflected in the official record, and i move that hillary clinton be select it as the nominee of the democrat -- selected as the nominee of the democratic party. >> but hundreds of sanders supporters walked off the convention floor in protest. this is a new hampshire delegate. said matter what we have and what we have done and what the media has said or done and what wikileaks has said or done, still people are not being heard and votes are not being counted. we are going to show that if the democratic party will not have us, we will not have them and they will lose to tromp and it will not be our fault, it will be their fault for ignoring us. they fought against us, so now

we are leaving. they will have to beat trunk by themselves. amy: the sanders delegates later held a sit in inside the nearby media tent. many taped their mouth shut with the word silence. president bill clinton spoke about hillary clinton in the convention center. when i was president, i worked hard to give you more , and and shared prosperity america were nobody is invisible or counted out. hillary iss time, uniquely qualified to seize the opportunities and reduce the risk we face. she is still the best darn change maker i have ever known. amy: later, hillary clinton addressed the convention center of the a video stream. image of ath an

glass montage of all 44 male presidents shattering, symbolizing the shattering of the glass ceiling. >> won an incredible honor you have given me. i can't believe we just put the biggest crack in that glass ceiling yet. thanks to you and to everyone who has fought so hard to make this possible. this is realally your victory, this is really your night.. if there are any little girls out there who stayed up late to , i maylet me just say become the first woman president , but one of you is next. amy: that was hillary clinton speaking via video stream from new york. outside the convention center, crowd demonstrated late into the night. crowds protested outside the gates of the convention center. former green party vice presidential candidate was arrested.

virginia governor terry believes said he hillary clinton would support the transpacific partnership if elected president. when asked if she would change her position in support the deal if elected, he said, "yes, she was in support of it, there were specific things she wants fixed." clinton had supported the deal, but cannot opposing it last october. nate silver is reporting that hillary clinton and donald trump are equally unpopular among the american public. a new gallup poll shows the two candidates have the exact same unfavorable rating of 58%. across philadelphia, thousands of people protested during the day on tuesday. hundreds marched for hours in in a black resistance

demonstration, demanding an end to police brutality and state violence. speaking about hillary clinton's 1996, in which she called some black youth super predators. >> she has never fully or adequately accounted for her comments, which are not just comments, but a policy she lobbied for and her husband pushed through, which resulted in people being incarcerated at unprecedented levels. we are still dealing with that. the language we hear about a broken system, for a system to be broken, it had to work. it has never worked for african-americans. amy: hundreds more protested at city hall on tuesdsday. there are more headlines. more than 40 people were arrested in front of the governor's mansion in st. paul, minnesota, protesting the police killing of philando castile in nearby falcon heights.

demonstrators have been camped in front of the mansion for weeks. on tuesday, officers made arrests, after telling protesters they could not have tents, tarps, or chairs, anything thahat could be used fr an occupation. a philadelphia, more than dozen members of the group showing up for racial justice dropped a banner from an overpass over highway 676 reading white people say black lives matter. this is rebecca subar. >> standing on the vine street ,xpressway over the interstate this is the highway that leads from valley forge, you will recognize the name, where a lot of the delicates for the democratic convention will be

driving. as they passed, they are now seeing the sign n we have just t up. it is five feet high and 30 feet wide. it says #whitepeoplesayblac klivesmatter. black lives matter is a message for all of us. it is working g to change the system and working internally to get with our own fears and try to overcome them so we can be part of changing the system. amy: in international news, lawyers in turkey report suspects in the plotting of a failed coup are facing rape and beatings in detention. tens of f thousands of people he been arrested or and removed from their jobs. beenurkish government has accused of widely violating civil and human rights. iny detainees are being held informal detention centers. turkey's state of emergency allows for detention without charge for 30 days in the last the government to listen to all conversations prisoners have with their lawyers. turkey has issued arrest warrants for 40 journalists. 150

refugees are in the third day of a hunger strike in a field in serbia on the border with hungary. they are demanding passage to the european union. most of the group is from afghanistan and pakistan. these are afghan refugees abdul malek and ruhu amin. >> we are not eating anything. the food is over there. nobody wants to eat. >> it is a global issue. we want focus from global leaders. amy: in canada, 50 immigrants in detention centers in ontario -- they have entered a 15th day of a hunger strike. the strikers say they will continue until they are able to meet with public safety minister ralph goodale. the strikers are demanding canada limit detentions to 90 days and to stop putting immigration detainees in maximum security prisons.

australian prime minister malcolm turnbull is pressing australian leaders to agree on legislation that would allow for indefinite detention of terrorism suspects. under the legislation, people convicted of terrorism would serve their sentences and then be sentenced to periododic revis to determine whether it would be safe to release them. opposition leaders s said they needed more infoformation about the law w before voting. an employee of the w world's largest hedge fund, bridgewawatr associates, has filed a complaint, calling the fund's working environment a "cauldron of fear and intimidation" and he also says he was a victim of sexual harassment by his supervisor. the complaint describes an atmosphere of constant surveillance, high security and fear of retributioion for steppg out of line. bridgewater manages more than $150 billion in assets each year. are some of the headlines. ,his is dedemocracy now

democracynow.org, our two week special, war, peace, and presidency. i'm amy goodman. juan: i'm one gonzalez. aswas an historic evevening hillary clinton secure the democratic party presidential nomination, becoming the first woman to head the ticket of a major u.s. party in the history of the country. at the end of the evening, she spoke to delegates from new york. what an incredible honor you have given me. i can't believe we just put the biggest crack in that glass ceiling yet. thanks to yoyou and to everyone who has fought so hard to make this possible. this is your big three, this is your night. if there are any little girls out there who stayed up late to watch, let me just say, i may

become the first woman president, but one of you is next. in the evening, hillary clinton secure the nomination after bernie sanders joins the vermont delegation and moveved to give her the party's presidential nomination by acclamation. chair, sanders: madam imovie moved that the convention suspends the procedural rules, i move that all votes cast by delegates be reflected in the official record, and i move that hillary clinton be selected as the nominee of the democratic party for president o of the united states. [applause] >> thank you, senator sanders. senator sananders has moved in e spirit of unity to suspend the rules.

[cheering] rules andend the nominate hillary clinton by acclamation as the presidential candidate of the democratic party. [cheering] a second?e [loud cheering] >> all in favor of the motion say aye. >> aye! >> opposed, no. the ayes have it! juan: one of the most moving moments of the second night of the convention came when the mothers of the movement gathered on the convention stage. these were the mothers of eric garner, trayvon martin, michael hamilton, and sandra bland, whose deaths spur the -- spurred the black lives

matter movement. >> one year ago yesterday, i lived the worst nightmare anyone could imagine. watched as my daughter, sandra bland, was lowered into the ground in a coffin. she was my fourth of five daughters and she was gone. no, no, not on administrative leave, but on permanent leave from this earth. cell hanging in a jail after an unlawful traffic stop and an unlawful arrest. x other women have died in custody that same month. mcgovern,tman, alexis

jra lee, raynette turner, aquina jones, and joyce kernell. so many of our children are gone , but they are not forgotten. i am here with hillary clinton tonight. [applause] leader and ae is a mother who will say our children's names. [applause] >> she knows that when a young black life is cut short, it is not just a loss, it is a personal loss, it is a national loss, it is a loss that

us.nishes all of what a blessing tonight to be standing here so that sandy can still speak through her mama. [cheers and applause] >> and what a blessing it is for all of us that we have the opportunity, if we seize it -- we've got to seize it -- to cast our votes. [applause] , a presidentent who will help lead us down the path toward restoration and change. [applause] you don't stop being a mom

when your child dies. you don't stop being a parent. i am still jordan davis's mother. [applause] >> his life ended the day that he was shot and killed for playing loud music, but my job as his mother did not. i still wake up every day thinking about how to parent tim , how to protect him and his legacy, how to ensure that his death does not overshadow his life. here is what you don't know about my son. when jordan was little, he would not eat it popsicle unless he had enough to bring out to his friends. he loved practical jokes.

deepked having conversations with me about our love for god and how god could allow such pain and suffering. i lived in fear that my son would die like this. warned him that because he was a young, black man, he would meet people who did not value him or his life. that is a conversation that no parent should ever have with their child. [applause] hillary clinton isn't afraid to say that black lives matter. to sit at araid table with grieving mothers and bear the full force of our anguish. she does not build walls around her heart.

not only did she listen to our problems, she invited us to become a part of the solution. and that is what we are going to do. we are going to keep telling our children's stories and we are urging you to say their names. building ag to keep future where police officers and communities of color work , tother, in mutual respect keep children like jordan safe. the majority of police officers are good people doing a good job. [applause] and we are asking -- and we are also going to keep using our voices and our votes to support leaders like hillary clinton, who will help us protect one another, so that this club of heartbroken mothers stops

growing. [cheers and applause] >> first of all, i would like to say it is an honor to be here, to stand with these mothers, and to be among you. i'm an unwilling participant in this movement. i would not have signed up for this or any other mother that is standing here with me today. but i am here today for my son, trayvon martin, who is in heaven. [applause] >> and also for his brother, who is still here on earth.

i did not want this spotlight. cani will do everything i to focus some of this light on the pain of a path out of the darkness. hillary clinton has the topassion and understanding support grieving mothers. she has the courage to lead the fight for commonsense gun legislation. [cheering and applause] plan to fix the divide that exists between law enforcement and the cocommunitis they serve. this is not about being politically correct, this is about savingng our children. [applause] that is why we are here

tonight with hillary clinton a d that is why, in memory of our children, we are imploring you, all of you, to vote this election day. [applause] mother who canne ensure our movement will succeed. i want to thank you for standing with us anand supporting us. we would like to leave with you what god has given us. strength, love, and peace. thank k you. strength, love, and peace. thank you. [cheering and applause] amy: mothers of the movement. that wasas sabryna fulton, the mother of trayvon martrtin. we will speak to actor and

activist danny glover and representative -- this is democracy now, democracynow.org, we are breaking with convention. ♪ [music break]

the "rise up" performed at democratic national convention after the mothers of the movement spoke out. mothers of children killed by police or vigilantes. this is democracy now, democracynow.org. we are breaking with convention,

war, peace, and the presidency. we are broadcasting from the dnc in philadelphia. juan: to talk more about the convention, we're joined by actor and activist danny glover and new jersey delegate larry hamm. he is a bernie sanders delegate and is chairman of the people's organization for progress. night you were there last when the mothers of the victims of police murders or abuses spoke. your reaction. larry: well, it was very painful. let me say first of all, that it was an extraordinary moment. i have been involved in electoral politics going back to the national black political convention in 1972 and i could not have imagined a moment when a major political party would have the mothers of victims like these premiered and presented at

a national convention. it was an extraordinary moment. the mothers presented ththemsels wewell. they spoke well and there is nothining that the mothers said that i could disagree with. i love those mothers. at the s same time, i wish somee would have said, police brutality must stop. nobody said that, unless i missed it. stop. brutality must in the two years since the death of michael brown, 2500 people have been killed by police in the united states. last year, 1135 killed. this year, 506 killed. it goes on and on and on. no one said. and the mothers who spoke, two of the three, their sons were victims of racist violence, not police brutality, per se. nobody said racist violence must stop.

nobody talked about the numbers of incidents and i would not expect them to do so, butut you have to understand, there was a whole segment of the convention that dealt with this issue. they brought the chief of police from pittsburgh to speak. the emphasis was on community .olice cooperation, gun control but nobody is talking about police brutality. i support the black lives matter movement. but we are saying black lives matter, black lives matter. nobody is saying, stop police brutality, our people are being killed in the streets, the people killing them are not being held accountable. not being indicted, not going to .rial, not being found guilty and this is the problem. we don't want police -- i'm not one of these talking about they expect so much of the police. we expect, don't kill unarmed black people.

and if you do it, you have to face the same consequences as if i would have done it. this is the problem. it was a very painful moment f r me when the mothers spoke, but they did well. i have no criticisms of those women in pain. in new jersey, we have all dual the irvingtony police. he had a cell phone in his and. jerome weed got out of the car with his hands u up, shot at point-blank range by black police officers. rahim dayze shot four times in the head. a 14-year-old shot seven times in the back. it goes on and on. somehow, the discussion is always deflected and the murders of those police in dallas and baton rouge, you know, every

time the movement seseems to g t white-hot anand there is a real sharp focus on the police, something is used to deflect and two fuzzy that focus. we've got to get that focus back. we've got to get it back and we've got to force every possible change that is needed to deal with it. amy: larry, you have been pushing for this for decades. i don't know if a week goes by where democracy now! does not get a press release from people's organization for progress, where you are holding another protest somewhere in new jersey around a person who has been killed or someone you are remembering or demanding change. what is that change that you feel is so critical to really make a difference in this country to deal with police work? larry: right now, with the cases we are dealing with the new

jersey, we want the u.s. attorney in new jersey to launch civil rights investitigations io men.eaths of these in all of those cases, there were no indictments, nobody indicted, nobody going to trial. we want civil rights investigations. not that we e are saying that tt is a p panacea, but one of the reforms we need in new jersey, wewe need an officice of the spl officecutor, inindependenent of the special prosecutor, just to investigate these police shootings. bernie sanders had something in his platforms. he said every time the police kill someone, there should be a special independent investigation. there is a whole agenda of reforms that are needed. what we need is to hold together this critical mass that seems to

have come together at this moment to bring about fundamental change. juan: one of the things danny might want to comment on, this is not a new story. if you go back to the chicago race riot of 1919, the east st. louis riot of 1917, the detroit , almostthe 1940's always mass insurrections in the black community every resulted from police violence. i've come to the conclusion, i don't know if you agree, that every 20 years, police departments of america change personnel because most of the cops in for 20-25 years retire and there is no institutional memory or legacy, so you have a new generation of cops on the street that were not there in 1992 during rodney king, who were not there in 1960, and the institutions don't train and make that a part of their training of the police of how they are supposed to respect the

black and brown communities of the country. you have to go through these states -- spates of seven killings in an resistance by the commununity until the new generation of cops until they realize. danny: thank you, larry, for all the work you have done over the years. we go way back and have known each other for some time. here, because i was not there last night, as i sat here and watched itt and listened to the words, i just thought about, what a great moment, what a signature moment and the key important moment. we must remember this moment, that moment, not the election after, but for decades to come.

aybe within that, there is context or situation where we can create a different narrative about our relationship. i relationship with law enforcement. i relationship before the civil war, i relationship goes way back to after the civil war, the relationship with law enforcement. it we are seeing it perpetuated and sustained. certainly, when they talked about the movement, i was thinking about, we talked about , they talkedatter about police brutality. but they have been inclusive of other dynamics. they talk about education, they talk about all the different things that affect black lives,

the lives of young black children. all the time, every single thing. i remember when i worked for a city government. knew how many jobs would be coming. group't saying that my was perfect, but there was a different kind of engagement. the black panther party, community and police protection. free breakfast for children, free education, all of those become a part of what black lives matter. in a larger context, it is a carrying -- cararrying about t e whole being. amy: we are talkining about gena

reveal, the mother of sandra , the -- geneva reed veal mother of sandra bland. sandra bland who was taken to jail, she could not afford the bond, she is taken to jail because she was pulled over, supposedly for not signaling a traffic lane change. ts,n you had lucia mcbat mother of jordan davis, a young teenager in a car with his friends, in a parking lot playing music and a white man drove up, annoyed by their loud just pullingd of his car away, he es of opening fire onn them and killing jorda. cfadden, thelie m mother of michael brown. killed by a police officer two years ago. at the democratic national

convention, all standing, and also eric garner's mother was standing there. does this, danny glover, what does this mean for you in terms of who you will vote for? does this surprise you as you heard that this took place? you have long been a surrogate for bernie sanders, as larry hamm was a supporter of bernie sanders. larry, you are going to go in may be a different direction than danny glover is going to go in c casting a final vote. whwho are you going toto vote f? do youou know what this point? danny: i'm going to be very frank. i'm going to vote for hillary clinton. i will be very frank about that. i think that the idea of d donad also as president is frightening idedea, but i know t the same time in voting for

hillary clinton, i'm going to put the kind of pressure on her, i want to make her live up to that platform and everything elsee, i want her to exceed what has been put in thatat platform. i want us to see a movement come out of this. that she wins,nt we are going to fight still. in the event that she does not win, we are going to fight. there is no settling. i know where black people are go withd i'm going to them. i'm going to go with those mothers. i'm going to go with those moththers because my mother, if she were here, she would have hugged to those mothers and been weeping in front of the television. i'm going to go with those mothers. juan: larry? larry: i'm going to follow the guidance of the standardbearer bernie sanders and i'm going to vote for hillary clinton. it is a choice between

neofascism and neoeoliberalism. donald trump must be defeated and not jusust defeated, hehe mt be defeated decisively. there must be a repudiation of these ultra-right wing and fascist tendencies that are supporting him and that are in his movement. the struggle against neoliberalism, which has been going on for the past 40 years, will continue after november 8. the bernie sanders movement is at a critical stage. bernie sanders did something that was tremendous in the political arena. he widened the space for progressive politics. more than that, he proved that there is a critical mass of people in the united states that will support progressive, even radical politics.

the challenge at this point is for all of those forces -- because there is one force, there is the bernie sanders movement vis-à-vis the democratic party and t the establishment and corporate leadership, but within the bernie sanders movement itself, there are many tendencies. the question is are those tendencies going to be able to resolve their contradictions to the point, not eliminate them, but at least modify them to the point that they can hold together and keep this movement going? andre they going to explode that movement go the way of the rainbow coalition movement, of which i was a part, after the jesse jackson campaign of 1988. this is a very critical movement.

the genie of progressive politics is out of the bottle. there are powerful forces that want to put that back in. they want bernie sanders and his movement to go away. they want to return to business as usual. our job is to make sure that that does not happen. danny: larry said it perfectly. it is what we do beyond the ninth of november is the most important thing. , the way int we do which we view progressive politics, getting leaders elected to local, regional governments, national governments, those are the things we are going to do. we have to continue to understand the dialectics we are dealing with, to understand that the dialectics are always changing in this situation. we've got to find a way, as we bring this movement forward, it

also uses insight and imagination, and the idea of transformation. dr. king always talks about transformation. theneed for us to transform institution and ourselves. what does that transformation look like. what does it look like when we talk about environmental racism. what does it look like when we talk about the planet itself. amy: something we have not talked about his climate change. we have not talked about what happened in cleveland and what has happened in philadelphia. the heat dome we are living in right now, if you go out into the street, seeing the delegates getting onto buses here, the same in cleveland, it is so agonizinglyy hot. you lived in philadelphia for years. larry: i lived in philadelphia for 15 years and the last few

days, i have never felt the kind of heat i felt in the last few days. juan: when i arrived in philly on monday, i parked my car in the parking lot, came back, i got in the car and started it up, the temperature gauge said 108. i could not believe that. amy: people are not talking about this. protests in these this absolutely suffocating heat cities and ittion is not just cleveland and philadelphia, the country is under a heat dome right now. danny: exactly. amy: the republicans did not mention climate change. the democrats talk about it, but how are they dealing with it? we have to go to break, but we are going to come back. our guests are larry hamm, the longtime chair of the people's organization for progress, he is

here in philadelphia as a bernie sanders delegate from new jersey. we are also joined by danny glover, famous american actor, film director, who is here for the convention and we will find out why. now, breakingacy with convention. back in a moment. ♪ [music break]

amy: "wake up everybody" by harold melvin and the blue notes. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org. we are breaking with convention, war, peace, and the presidency. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez broadcasting outside convention, broadcasting

from philadelphia's public access tv station. still with us, larry hamm, chair of the people's organization for prprogress, and actor, activivi, director danny glover.r. we turn now to a surprise guest, who has just called in to democracy now! radiowe are joined by from inside state prison in .ennsylvania by mumia abu-jamal a former colleague of mine. we were both journalists together here in the 1970's, perhaps the e most well-known political prisoner in the united states. award-winning journalist, whose writing from hisis prison cell s reached a worldwide audience througugh his prison radio commentaries and many books. he was convicted of the 1981 murder of a philadelphia police officer daniel faulkner, but has

always maintainened his innocen. has foundternational he was deprived of a fair trial. mumia abu-jamal joins us now from state prison in frack phil, pennsylvania. welclcome to democracy now! juan, larry come all the movement. how are you doing? juan: we e are intereststed in r thoughts on the convention occurring right here in your hometown. show. it is a hell of a [laughter] mumia: but it is a show. it has writers and directors and stage managers and it is a hell of a show, but never forget that it is just a show. amy: what do you think of not

only what is happening on the inside? is subject to recordings and monitoring's. amy: that is the recording that comes on over the call. very quickckly, there is not ony action on the floor of the democratic convention, but thousands of people have been marching in the streets. mumia: i think that is extraordinary. i think that is where the real action is. wellhe convention is a show and who can doubt that, what is happening in the streets of philadelphia, that is where the real story is because those are the voices you won't hear throughout the four days of gala , extravaganza, lies. you are hearing the pain of the people, the real concerns of the people. really, the desperation of the people to be heard by the rich

and the powerful. you look inside and you will see the powerful, you will see millionaires, right? we have an incredible system right now. millionaires running against billionaires. who is not in that picture? that is the 99%, the rest of us. you know. i'm sure you also monitored the republican convention that occurred last week and donald trump emphasizing that he is the law and order candidate. >> go ahead. juan: i'm sure it remiminded you of a person we were familiar with right here in philadelphia, the mayor of philadelphia, frank rizzo, who was the ultimate law and order candidate. for those of the younger generation not familiar, any similarities between some of the stuff you remember from him and

donald trump? rizzo wasean, frank authentically working-class. he rose from the bottom of the police department to become its commissioner. he was then elected mayor. you know, i thought about frank rizzo when i first heard that donald trump was running. i had the same reaction when i heard that frank rizzo was running for mayor. i laughed. here was a high school dropout, nothing personal, but it was true, here is a guy who was dumb as rocks at anything other than making money -- or taking money, i should say. but i stopped laughing. i thought about when ronald reagan ran for president. i laughed. i stopped laughing. when you look at this guy, he is like frank rizzo with billions and billions of dollars in his pocket.

a turned off got the screen and listen to the words, it is the same message. fear, fear, fear, fear. fear of the other, fear of blacks. only i can save you. it is kind of a mixture of frank agnew,goldwater, spiro dick cheney, you know, and hitler's. mumia, , you recently did a commentaryry on the killings of police officers in baton rouge and dallas. share your thoughts on this. mumia: well, i think one of the lines are used in the commentary is why should any of us be surprised? whenever that happens, what you will hear, especially among elite opinion on tv, is that this was a madman, this was a crazy person. if he was mad, how did he get

accepted into the army? how did he serve tours in afghanistan or iraq? both of these men displayed military training that they acquired from the u.s. government and, as they became killers in the third world. when they came back to the united states and they saw their reality, do you think that drove them crazy? something like 22 veterans commit suicide every day in america. that is because of the horrible things they have been asked to do by empire abroad. you know, when you look at the condition of black people in america, mass incarceration gone crazy, ghettos being policed as if it is falluja or a foreign nation, why would you be

surprised? they were trained by the state to do exactly what they did and they did it. amy: mumia, we are speaking to you from the hanoi state prison, you used to be on death row for two decades. i think, ultimately, with the judicial system, it was enormous international pressure that led to you being taken off of death rope. how is your health now? of time, we did not know what was happening. how are you being dealt with? how is health care? what are you asking for? mumia: for a while there, i did not know what was happening. i had diabetes, i had extreme high blood pressure, my skin was falling to my feet. i was itching to an insane degree. what we learned through this

litigation is that i had hepatitis c that to this date has not been treated. moree probably been given thanment for my symptoms than perhaps any other prisoner in pennsylvania. that's true. but i've yet to be treated for the disease. the state, and their latest brief to the court, said if the plaintiff prevails, it will cost the doc over $600 million. i can't make this up. claims only because they there are some 6000 men and probably women in the pennsylvania system who have hepatitis c and very few of them are treated. understand, we asked the head of the doc medical division, how many people are being treated with these new antiviral medications? he said, i don't know. we said, can you give us your best guess?

he said, five or six. five or six out of 6000. we also learned is that they have a protocol, a secret protocol we learned about at that hearing, that men and women who have hepatitis c must wait until something called found.eal varices are that means when you are bleeding out of yourself a guess out of your mouth -- esophagus out of your mouth. that is when your liver is basically dead because your liver cannot process your blood. it is rejecting it. that is when you will be considered to be put on a list for treatment. dannyny, any comments you want to share with h mumia abu-jamal? danny: first of all, i was thinking about his health. essentially.

i think for us to be practical, they are trying to kill him. right there. before our eyes. certainly, h his analysis on wht has happened and what is happening here is right on point. i was at an event on a church on broad street, where men and women were there, particularly women, the voicices of women, oe , her father had been a political prisoner for 42 years. that is the place where everything is happening. a sign saying "feminism not militarism." that is where the real convention is. these are the people who want their voices to be heard.

workesponsibility in the that larry does and the work that we have to do is progressive is about that. aboutjust thinking also dubois eb to boys -- web wrote in the reissue of "the souls of black folks" when he talked about how his thinking at the time was that the question of the century was race, the question of the century is still race. is how did not know then people would be able to manage to live and go on with their lives, go on with their lives in pain, in of all of the the midst of all the war. that is the thing we have to consume ourselves with. the war in our cities, the war abroad.

amy: mumia abu-jamal, we just have 15 seconds. do you believe the issue of the 21st century is still the color line? mumia: i think it is the color line, but also the class line. we just experienced a black president, but black americans in the words of young jeezy are still "living in how." for we want to thank you mumia abu-jamal. mumia: i would urge anyone who has a computer or a way to "the nation", the article by michelle alexander, why hillary clinton does not deserve the black vote. it is incredible. larry, a pleasure hearing you again, brother.

everybody. i love you. thank you for this time. on the move. amy: imprisoned former black panther mumia abu-jamal speaking to us from prison in fractal, pennsylvania. i'm amy goodman with