amy: from the democratic national conventn in philadelphia, this is democracy now! mrs. clinton: : tonight we havee reached a milestone in our nation's march toward a more perfect union, the first time that a major party has nominated a woman for president. amy: in a historic night, hillary clinton accepted the democratic party's presidential nomination. setting her eyes on november clinton repeatedly took jabs at , her republican rival.

mrs. clinton: donald trump says he wants to make america great again. start by actually making things and america again. amy: we will hear more from hillary clinton, host a debate on her candidacy plus meet the , protesters who attempted to disrupt the final night of the dnc. we will also look at clinton's running mate tim kaine and his time in honduras as a young man. >> i got a firsthand look at the different system, a dictatorship, a dictatorship, where a few people at the top had all of the power and everybody else got left out. amy: we will speak to historian greg grandin about what tim kainine didn't learn during his time in honduras. all that and more, coming up. amy: welcome to democracy now!,

democracynow.org, this is "breaking with convention: war, peace, and the presidency. i am amy goodman. here in philadelphia, former secretary of state hillary clinton has become the first woman to accept t a major party presidential nomination in u.s.. history.y. mrs. clinton: and so some of myy friends, it is with humility, determined dacian desk determination, and confidence in america's promise, that i is set -- that i accept your nomination for president of the united states. amy: that was hillary clinton, the first woman nominated for the presidency by a major party . seattlea debate between city councilmember and a new york magazine rights are from our first hour, go to democracynow.org, and stay wiwih us for another debate in this hour. hillary clinton's address came at the end of the day, packed with speakers including hillary

clinton's daughter, chelsea, retired general john allen, civil rights leader dolores huerta, and moral mondndays ororganizer reverend williamam barber. one of the most powerful speakers thursday was khizr khan whose son died in 2004 serving , in the u.s. war in iraq. this is khan addressing donald trump. >> donald trump, you are asking americans to trust you with their future. let me ask you, have you even read the united states constitution? will gladly lend you my copy. his that is khizr khan, son, a u.s. army captain, posthumously awarded the bronze star and purple heart after he

was killed in iraq. his speech was broadcast by cnn and msnbc hewitt fox news did not play the speech, instead choosing to air commercials. fox news also do not play the dnc speeches of the mothers of trayvonland, davis, and martin. instead, an event moderated by bill o'reilly. bernie sanders delegates protested on and off the convention floor thursday. scores of sanders delegates wore florescent green shirts reading "enough is enough," which appeared to glow in the dark whenever the arena lights dimmed in between speakers. many of these delegates also held signs reading "no more wars," "ban fracking now," "#dncemailleaks," and "jill stein." toward the end of thursday night, about a half dozen young black activists marched out of the convention arena chanting "black lives matter." other groups of colorado and california delegates also walked off the floor. meanwhile, hundreds of

protesters rallied outside the wells fargo center thursday night. one protester spoke about the impacts of bill clinton's welfare reform on her family. this is jacinta mack. >> the monthly money that we got was cut, and then the subsidized housing was also cut. go my mother was required to out and apply for a certain number of jobs, but she was a ngle mother of six chchildren and was not able to meet their requirements. we struggled tremendously, and became a sexuaually worker. amy: on the republican side, donald trump says he has not appreciated the criticism during this week's dnc. on thursday, he talked about attacking multiple dnc speakers. mr. trump: i wanted to hit a couple of those speakers so hard . i would have hit them -- no, no set, and then i got

a call from a highly respected governor -- how is it going, donald? well, going good, but they are saying badad things about me, im goining to hit them soo hard, oe guy in particular, and very little guy. i was going to hit this guy so hard his head would spin, he would not know what the hell happened. amy: the pentagon is expanding and advise and assist mission for troops in iraq. some of them are deploying along with a conventional iraqi army unit for the first time in years. in april, president obama authorized u.s. combat advisers to deploy with iraqi army forces at lower levels. until then, they had been largely confined to bases and special forces misissions. the announcement comes as officers h have spoken abobout n "imminent" offensive against mosul, the largest city held by isis. earlier this month, the pentagon raised the number of soldiers in iraq to more t than 4,600. ere are alalso at least 3,0000 u.s. military contractors in the country. 36 senators, including democratic vice presidential

nominee tim kaine, are pushing to add $320 million for israeli missile defense to next t year's defense appropopriations bill. that's in addition to the $3 billion a year in military funding the u.s. currently gives israel. the proposed increase includes more purchases of iron dome systems designed to intercept missile fired toward israel from palestine. president obama has threatened to veto legislation with that level of funding for the program. the syrian observatory for human rights is reporting andnd other u.s. strike has killed civilians in northern syria. it says a strike new the city of mont beach killed at least 28 civilians on thursday. the u.s.-backed militia has been fighting isis for control of manbij since may. it is said that three u.s. strikes in the area since then have killed at least 200 civilians since the offensive began. an al qaeda-syrian branch and announced it has broken with al

qaeda's leadership. the nusra front is listed as a terrorist organization by the , but weapons have routinely fallen into the hands of its group. the u.s. navy is naming a ship after harvey milk. milk was murdered in 1978 after becoming one of the nation's first openly gay elected official. he served in the navy in the 1950's and when on to become an outspoken opponent of the vietnam war. the proposal has faced opposition from some members of san francisco's lgbt community for years it when the idea was first post, and activists said that it seems inappropriate and insensitive to name and navy ship after a gay man who opposed to the vieietnam war and war in general. those are some of the headlines. this is breaking witith convention: war, peace, and the presidency. i'm amy goodman. former secretary of state

hillary clinton has made history by becoming the first women to accept a major party presidential nomination. during her acceptance speech thursday night, clinton said the country is at a moment of reckoning. mrs. clinton: we have to heal the divide in our country, not just on guns, but on race, immigration, and more. and that starts with listening, listening to each other, trying as best we can to walklk in each other's shoes, so let's put ourselves inin the shoes of youg black and latino men and women who face the effects of systemic racism and are made to feel like their lives are disposable. in the shoesselves

of police officers kissing their kids and spouses goodbye every day, heading off to do a dangerous and necessary job. we will reform our criminal justice system from end t to end and rebuild trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve. and we will defend, we will defend all our rights, civil rights, human rights, voting rights, women's rights, workers rights, lgbt rights, and the rights of people with disabilities. amy: hillary clinton thanked the democratic challenger, bernie sanders, and repeatedly took trump. donald mrmrs. clinton: in atlanantic c, 6060 miles from here, you'll fid contractors anansmall businesses who lost everything because

donald trump refused to pay his bills. crowd: b boo. mrs. clinton: now remember what the president said last night -- don't boo, vote. [cheers and applause] mrs. clinton: but think of this, people who did the work and , not because he could not pay them, but because he would not pay them. he just stiffed them. and you know that sales pitch he is making to be president, put your faith in him and you will the same saless pitch he made to all those small businesses. and trump walked away and left working people holding the bag. he also talked a big game about putting america first. well, please explain what part of america first leads him to

mamake trump ties in china, not colorado, trump booze in mexico, not michigan, trump furniture in turkey, not ohio, trump picture ?rames in india, not wisconsin donald trump says he wants to make america great again. well, he could start by actually making things in america again. finalpeakers during the night of the convention included lgbt rights activist sermon bride, who became the first openly transgender woman to speak in a major party convention. >> four years ago, i came out as transgender while serving as student body president and college. at the time, i was scared. i worried that my dreams and my were mutually exclusive. since then though, i have seen that change is possible. anitnessed history being

internet the white house and helping my home state of the past protections for transgender people. will we be an issue where there is only one way to love, only one way to look, and only one way to live? or will we be a nation where everyone has the freedom to live openly and equally, a nation that is stronger together? amy: protestant minister and president of the north carolina naacp, the reverend william barber come alsoso delivered a moving s speech calling for lov, mercy, and justice for all. what when we fight to reinstate the power of the voting rights break the we interpositition and nullificatin of the current congress, we in the south, especially, know that when we do that, we are reviving the heart of our democracy. uniononfight for 15 and a

anand universal health care and public education and immigrant lgbtq rights, we are reviving the heart of our democracy. when we develop tax and trade policies that no longer funnel our prosperity to the few, we are reviving the heart of our democracy. whenen we h hear the legitimate discontent of black lives matter and we come together to renew justice in our criminal justice system, we are embracing our

deepest moral values and reviving the heart of our demomocracy. we love the jewish child and the palestinian child -- [cheers and applause] >> -- the muslim and the christian and the hindu and the buddhist and those who have no nation,t they love this we are revivining the heart of r democracy. peacece, and for when we resisist the prolilifern ofof military style weapons on r , and when we stand against the anti-democratic stronghold of the nra, we are

reviving the heart of our democracy. amy: protests continued on the floor r of the convention as in court "no more were could be heard throughout the evening. some delegates walked off the floor and protest. democracy now! was on the floor went artists began as geneneral johnhn allen took ththe stage. >> please welcome to the stage, the four-star general who knows the about isis than anyone, president former special envoy to the coalition against isis, retired general john allen. [applause] chanting -- no more work] norman solomon, bernie sanders delegate or general john allen, one of the top generals,

is giving a militaristic speech, and many bernie delegates in the delegation here and elsewhere around this arena are saying we just don't want any more wars. no more of this pseudo-patriotic rhetoric coming up. we're tired of it. [inaudible] >> i tell you without hesitation or reservation that hillary clinton will be exactly, exactly the kind of commander-in-chief america needs. i know this. oakland.rom what i am doing right now is in onosition to the attacks people of color around the globe. california.

we are holding up signs that say we more wars," because believe that hillary will lead us into more war. we will lose a lot of people of color, particularly latinos and blacks. this is a chance to lead us to war. people will be killed, innocent people. war!]anting -- no more chelsea: ladies and gentlemen, my mother, my hero, and our next president, hillary clinton. this is my fight song take back my life song ♪ amy: we are standing next to the colorado delegation. many of the delegates have

"enough is enough" signs. hillary clinton just walked onto the stage. she was just introduced. a big sign across the stage says "stronger together." says "super predator 2heel."e it is about the black american communities, and it pisses me of f. she is a liar, and that is why i am holding these signs. every time a black person has confronted her about these issues, she has tossed them out and has not addressed the issues are the injustices in the black community, taking away people's fathers and mothers from their families for drug-related offenses. it has destroyed the black community. >> i am from durham, north

carolina, and i am just over the moon. ama hillary delegate with a voice. this is something children can strive to be of all sexes. america. amy: what is it about hillary clinton, what are the issues you feel are most important? >> she is just focused on all that is important to america. alleconomy, health care for . she wants children to be protected. she is strong with military. it is those urgent matters that she really does have experience in, the most anyone has ever had. are holding two signs. tell me what they say, your state, and how you are feeling. >> north carolina.

happy about the nominee. she is a well-qualified. i think she is the best candidate for the united states. amy: what is it about hillary that you feel makes her most capable? >> well, she has been right at the forefront. she was first lady and then secretary. she already knows some of the issues, and being the first lady, she has firsthand knowledge of what a president goes through. i am from north carolina, and i am a bernie delegate, but i am really excited right now. it is awesome seeing the first woman to be nominee of a major party.

happy aboutam so all bernie has done, and i think hillary is going to run with a lot of those ideas. about what excited she is going to do in the next few months, and i really hope we can all come together and elect her in november. ,my: what are you showing us nothing against the flag, but this feels more and more like the rnc. one of the delegates has just show me a picture of what was just tweeted. tell me what it says. >> this actually feels scary to me. know, like i don't 1933 germany or something, all this nationalism. it is beginning to feel very scary. amy: what does your sign say? >> we need to ban fracking. as of this moment, i am leaving

the democratic party. i am a delegate for colorado. say?what does your pin >> it says, "jill stein, not hill." amy: looks like staff is giving many signs that surround this delegation of bernie supporters from colorado. they may not know what they are about to do, but they are telling everyone to put up the signs. can i ask what you're doing? moment, andillary's we want to hear her. the party is stronger together. we do not want anyone at this time hindering what she is trying to do, so we are standing together. we are all democrats in here, so this is time for us to unite, and we want to beat trump. we know there is a protest about

to go on, but we're here for hillary, and we're going to stand for her. we are stronger together. i am from new jersey, but i work here in philadelphia. amy: amy goodman from democracy now! i want to ask about the protests while hillary is speaking. >> [inaudible] wanted to ask what the senator thought of the protests in front of him. delegation colorado holding up signs that say "liar and "no moreing," war." >> i am holding this sign because hillary clinton has spread fracking around the world, and it needs to end. amy: what sign are you holding? "no oligarchy" a sign, because we need to end

corporate involvement making this government of the 1% and not a government of the people. i just watched her spent almost an hour focusing on -- [inaudible] 20,000 people are excited to hear the speech. i saw you focus on just a few people rather than the overwhelming amount of folks listening to what senator sanders says, encouraging us to focus on the message. amy: i came to you and asked you -- >> i am trying to focus on the speech, but you have been blocking my view for the last hour. i just wish he would focus on her. thank you. did you hear hillary say she believes that wall street should not wreck main street?

and you are holding up a "ban tpp" sign. >> she is ridiculous. it was her husband's administration with robert ruben who first removed gran steagall -- grant stickel, and she is going to go the same way to achieve has no interest in regulating high-frequency trading, and they are setting up the exact things over again. she is absolutely in debt to those things. amy: what about because of pressure from people, she has come out against tpp? i made, you could flip a coin to find out how they are voting. she is going to flip. we know the campaign is in favor of tpp.

she published a chapter in her book on the gold standard of trade. but then she removed it. there are things she can say to make us believe that she actually does not support tpp, but so far, she seems to only object to it because bernie pushed her into the corner. amy: well, that is politics. if she does it for that reason, wouldn't it make you happy? >> well, if it is real. but with hillary clinton, it is never real. she turns around and changes her mind to be on the other side of the coin. anything she has described in terms of her commitment to been poor, ands her record shows us. well, she said she believes in science, as well.

>> well, the science of oil extraction and fracking. they hire scientists to extract and pull oil out of the ground, as well. that does not mean it is a science we support. the science that are reasons for a lot of global climate change, and she has gone around the world promoting bad energy policies. amy: you were upset when you saw these protesters. tell me why. i am an immigrant from co-colombia, south america. i am from north carolina. i believe that, number one, we should be educated. you should give everybody -- this is our convention. most of these people never belonged to the democratic

party. they are here for bernie sanders. he was independent. it was the only party that would take him. the republicans would not take him. so these people have to understand that if you want to change something, you have to get in and work from the inside. your diningaint room in your house from the outside, ok? if you want to win the fight, you have to do that. if they really want to help, if they really have all that energy to give, they should go into the respected towns and cities and counties, sign for the party, and if thehey want to chanange , chchange it through the inside.

amy: voices from the floor of the democratic national convention. i was standing between the north carolina delegation and the colorado delegation. some of those colorado delegates did walk off, as did some from california. withll be back in a minute more on the historic nomination of hillary clinton. special thanks to john hamilton. ♪ [music break]

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conventions, this week in philadelphia. to talk more about the convention, the historic nomination of hillary clinton and how the black lives matter movement is reflected in the democratic platform, we're joined now by two guests. keeanga-yamahtta taylor is the author of "from #blacklivesmatter to black liberation," and an assistant professor of african american studies at princeton university. and janaye ingram is the former executive director of the national action network and a member of the 20/20 leaders of america. we welcome you both to democracy now! janaye ingram,h your response to the nomination of hillary clinton last night, the formal acceptatance speech e gave on the floor of the democratic national convention, the first woman nominated by a major party to be president of the united states. >> obviously, i think it is a problem for the country that this has happened, notwithstanding all that has surrounded her nomination.

i still believe that her is aation, first female, moment that we need to pay attention to and we need to acknowledge as a history making moment. i was happy about her speech last night herere at i think she could have done a little bit more with giving us a personal story. i think leading up to her speech, you had a lot of the speakers, and the videoeo here t yoyou had her daugughter talking about her as a person, the night prior, you had people humanizing her and bringing that human touch. i was looking for more from that perspective, but i was also happy to hear her talk about the black lives matter movement, even though she did not specifically call it out. she did mention the fact that black and brown people are being sort of brutalized -- thatat isy word, brutalized by police. i would say that was a recognition to have on a

national stage by this candidate , which was important to the movement. we had reverend barber earlier talk about like lives matter, so having that repeated by hillary clinton, at least in her way of saying it, was an important moment. the pressurelot of that has been placed on her. she is feeling that pressure and is responding to it, at least now, with words. ?my: keeanga-yamahtta taylor >> i guess i was thinking that the speech, along with the convention as a whole, in many ways demonstrated the gap between a kind of similes of and thee reality -- a kind of symbolism and the reality on the streets of philadelphia and around the country. and so i think that hillary a speech full of in somees and that,

ways, was of symbolic value, but it really lacked specificity in terms of how we are going to address very serious crises in this country. me, thatthink that, to is part of the problem. i kind of walk away the convention with all the talk about how great and wonderful the united states is, and in many ways, obviously, the reflected more of the ethnic and gender and sexual orientation ever city in the united states certainly than the republican's hate show last week , but i thihink what we have learned from the obama presesidency is that we hahave o move from symbolism into actual that areand programs going to improve the lives of everyday, ordinary people.

and the speeches t throughout te week and clinton's speech last night, i think we're still waiting for that specificity in how we go o from a kind of symbolic representation of people to the actual representation and improvement in the quality of people's lives on an everyday basis. would you have liked hillary clinton to say last night? >> well, i think the two things that i am most concerned with have to o do witith black lives matter and specific policies tot are going to be advanced stop police abuse and violence in black communities. also, hillary clinton gave a very heralded speech in harlem in february where she talked about the r reinvestment in distressed communities, and that seems to be something that was completely missing from the

speech. so in a city like philadelphia, where the democratic party, they're having this party all week, there is 28% poverty, and half of those people are living in what is defefined as extreme poverty. so what are the actual policies and processes that are going to be p put into place toto address that? the concrete details i wanted to hear about. amy: why do you think hillary clinton is the best person to address the criminal justice system? >> i do not know that i would say she is the best person. i think she definitely has -- having had the experience she has had, she does bring to the table certain criteria that i think would be helpful as opposed to the person she is running against. to say that she is the best person is not something i would be covered will saying. i think, given the two choices,

you have donald trump who has talked about essentially creating a law and order state, which whenen you're talking a at a fractured relationship between police and specifically the black community, that is very troubling and disturbing to hear. so given the two choices, i think having someone who at least is willing to have the conversation and to recognize -- it is important that she says it. i was really waiting to see if it was going to be said by her, to be honest, because i was not completely sure. but the fact that she actually acknowledged it means that there is some opportunity for us to hold her accountable to the things she is saying. amy: and you had this unusual moment on the stage of the convention where the mother's of those who have been killed, two by police and won by a vigilante, sandra bland's mother

, trayvon martin's mother, and jordan davis' mother. what did you make of that? sayne thing that i want to is that donald trump may talk about law and order and building ,urther on a lawn order society but we have to remember that bill and hillary clinton, in fact, did build a law and order society with the passage of the 1994,4, passage off a bill in 1996. in many ways, we are recovering from the pololicies that were championed and doggedly pursued by the original clinton administration in the 1990's. i think it is important to say that. in terms of thehe parents, the

mothers, i know that if my child were killed unjustly by the police o or by a racist vigilan, i would want to do everything in my power to bring the perpetrators to justice. so i do not question the motives of the mothers who participated in top the dnc -- in the d dnc program. i do question, however, the motives of political operatives that would use the suffering of black parents for votes. so there is nothing that i have seen yet in clinton's policy me, takeshat, to sears the addressing the issues of police violence. money onalk about

police training? that sort of thing. but what a about police accountability? what is being talked about in terms of holding the police accountable for the deaths of black people? we just seen this week, freddie gray -- apparently, no one killed freddie gray. it was declared homicide, and no one is held to account. so i am interested in what hillary clinton has to say about that. that means we have to move beyond promises during election time and platitude into concrete specifics of what elected officials are going to do to defend black people from violence and abuse at the hands of the police. you know, going back to the earlier point about the crime , you know, i agree that was not the right legislation that we needed to have, and clearly, we are seeing the effects of that daily.

the clintons championed that, and so, by doing that, they are the face of that. i will say that there were other people who championed that and who supported the bill who looked like us, like the two of us. so you know, at that time, i want to put the context behind that bill -- at that time, there was a lot of crime, and there were a lot of people -- it was not just the clintons saying this is the bill. so there is a response ability we have as a community, and that is really important. yes, we need to talk about policy solutions, but offering policy in and of itself does not guarantee that that policy will even be implemented. yes, we have to make sure that meetingr structure is

our demands, and itt is essentially responding to the things they said they were going to do. there is a certain level of accountability that i do not know has been achieved yet. that is not just by the black community. i think that is by the american society as a whole. that is part of the frustratitin coming up with the bernie movement. people do not feel like poliliticians have been heheld accountable. but what they fail to realize is that we e are the ones that are supposed to keep all editions accountable. with t that, i think i'm a you knowow, we are talalking about policy solutions. i think hillary clinton needs to have someone in her ear are talking about what types of solutions needed to be had. i do not know that, given the 1994 crime bill, that i would fully say, you know, have at it, you create the policies, and we will be behind it. it needs to be a conversation. i would just say that,

first, talking about the 1990's, i think it is one thing if you are in a black community that is absolutely having issues with ofme and poverty because decades on disinvestment in jobs and infrastructure for black communities and you are left with no other viable alternative . so the alternative was not either support the crime bill or support this post of public policies aimed at rebuilding the public infrastructure, rebuilding public programs that are intended to mitigate the work aspect of poverty. people were not given that option. in fact, bill clinton and hillary clinton helped to usher declaredod where they the era of big government, ie government programs, is over. prisons.gave was more

it is an important context. the thing i think we miss that was most pernicious about clinton policies in the 1990's, the crime bill, the effective death penalty act, welfare reform them a was s not just tht poor people lost access to important government benefits, but most importantly, the damage that was done to the idea that government has a role in the lives of everyday people, the government has a responsibility to support working-class people. in fact, they help to disconnect the ideas, they helped to disconnect the idea that poverty, that economic inequality is responsible for the issues, that those things were responsible for people's reliance o or n need for welfar. thesese are ideas we arere still dealing with today, the idea that government somehow is a bad thing.

amy: and what is your assessment of donald trump, where he fits into this? let's begin with janaye. of donald trump is obviously that he is using gainas a tactic to sort of him some votes,, popularity. even seeing his most recent comments talking about hitting some of the speakers, i mean -- amy: he was in iowa and said he wanted to attack one of the dnc speakers. >> i think he said hit, he wanted to h hit some of them. it is appalling to me that this man is a nominee to be president . i cannot even fathom that this is the person that some people in this country want to lead this country. what he is doing --- i do not even know the word for it, but it is disgusting. whatever it is, it is disgusting. ultimately, at the end of the

day, i noticiced in the package you showed, someone was talking about how the resistance of nationalism at the dnc, and i noticed it, too. i notice the signs and the chants. wasat i attributed that to when you have a person who is talking about making america great again, as if america has not made strides to my and talking about taking america back to a period when i do not think it was great at all, let me not say at all, but i do not think it was as great as it could have been and did not live up to the ideals and the tenants we want to hold america to. i think that was the reasonn he hind all of that, the sense of nationalism, to basically say this is still a nation to be proud of. end keeanga, i'm going to with a question about movements and how they fit into this process. >> i think the movements are

quite critical in terms of keeping alive the issues that are most important to us, because to be honest, t there wo no discusussion about police violence and police brutality, no discussion about like lives matter without there having been, since august 9, 2014, a movement highlighting and exposing that police violence is not just a case of bad apples, that it is absolutely systemic. i actually think that in order to keep these issues alive, inn order to keep whomever is elected in november, the andndnt cannot collapse just give blind susupport for hillary clinton, becausese we do know donald trump is not on the agenda. the movevement needs to remain medicallllindependenence -- remn

politically independent with its own set of goals not tied to never becomes president. amy: we will certainly continue this discussion in months to come. keeanga-yamahtta taylor, "from #blacklivesmatter to black liberation," and janaye ingram, former executive director national action network. when we come back, we look at the vice presidential nominee, tim kaine, senator from virginia, and his time in honduras. this is democracy now! back in a minute. ♪ [music break]

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we're here in philadelphia, pennsylvania, covering the democratic national convenentio, ininside and out, from the stres to the suites to the convention floor. on wednesday night, hillary clinton's running mate, virginia senator tim kaine, delivered a primetime speech in which he spoke about the nine months he spent with jesuit missionaries in honduras in 1980. >> and that me tell you what really struck me there, i get a firsthand look at a different system, a dictatorship, a dictatorship, where a few people at the top had all of the power and everybody else got left out. amy: to talk more about t the significance of senator kaine's time in honduras, we're joined grandin, professor of latin american history at new york university. his most recent article for the nation was headlined "eat, pray, starve: what tim kaine did not learn or in his time in honduras." welcome to democracy now! talk about what you understand tim kaine did when he took a year off of harvard law school

and went to honduras to work with the jesuits. >> he spent about nine months in honduras, a jesuit mission to it he volunteered. he did pretty politically neutral work. he talked carpentry and welding. the progresso mission is in the old region of the old united food company, a lot of old former banana plantation workers, and the industry in that area was already kind of in decline at that moment. periods a very formative in tim kaine'ss life, according to tim kaine. he calls it transformational he says it made him think more about policy and about social justice. he has used his time in honduras . he was not in political office until the late 1990's.

heated politics in richmond, mayor, and became governor of virginia and senator appeared pretty much in every campaign, he has referenced in time in honduras. what is interesting about that is nine months in 1980 hundreds is the equivalent in being in germany in 1933. there was a lot going on, particularly working with the jesuits. the jesuits were on the front line of a lot of changes taking place in central america. wars, nearbyionary nicaragua in 1979, guatemala, el salvador, there were large insurgencies. they were not as christian as they were socialist. the rise and liberation of theology, you know, left-wing turn within the catholic church in latin america had radicalized beyond just the concncn for thee to side with

revolutionaries to join the revolution. not all jesuits were revolutionaries. the order were in some ways torn by debates. there were massacres. in 1980 andn won appointed a man who worked very closely with death squads. in honduras, people started disappearing. there was the beginning of the genocide in guatemala. these were consequential years. there is no way he could have spent nine months in the center of this cauldron without coming the with h the debates, dedebates within the jesuiuit commmmunity and with in that mission, should d we side with e revolution or should we be more conservative? there were just so it's -- there were just with the both sides of that debate. what is interesting is when kaine back to the uniteded stat,

no doubt it had an impact on his life. he is concerned about the country, and this speaks s to a split in the neoliberal mind. he reduces his time in honduras to a series of platitudes. it would be as if somebody spent nine months in germany in 1933 and came back with the lesson that money cannot buy happiness. that is literally what he said, paraphrasing something he's at and in interview on how honduras impacted him. he talkedo anti--- about how it made him think about the united states, and he said honduras was a dictatorship of the time, and it made me appreciate our system of government. there is a way in which the structural analysis -- amy: what was the u.s. role at the time in honduras? >> the dictatorship was installed by the united states. it was many years old, dated back to a coup that john f.

kennedy resided over after the thelution, setup to contaiain cuban revolution, and honduras was one country. that dictatatorship can be tracd back to you as patronage. stem -- as time, to it was response, under his was the front lines in the contra war. under is, exactly when tim kaine was there, was the third largest was a bit of military aid and all of latin america, honduras, country with,h, at the time, mae 2 million oror 3 million people. amy: you know, really have two minutes, and i wanted to bring well-known honduras winner of a prestigious prize,

environmentalist, and her home, she was killed. spoke about hillary clinton's role in the 2900 and -- 2009 honduras coup, and we have played that befefore. hillary clinton was secretary of state at the time. she talked about hillary clinton 's role. this will become a discussion. >> yes, hillary clinton helped legitimize and consolidate a much to the, criticism of the rank-and-file of the democratic party. during the primary, there was a lot of talk on your show, juan gonzalez asked her question during his daily news interviews with her, and largely, she skated. that debate was held on the margin. ththat campaign is now front and centering under us, and transforming honduras from a there ise in which

sharp political analysis of u.s. policy that has transformed and kind of an imaginary kingdom of feel-good uplift, hence the title, "eat, pray, starve." tim kaine has supported the militarization of honduras. yes, while he is decent and humane on n immigration, even signing a letter recently calling for a hold to horrible deportation, he structurally supports the policies of free trade and militarization that produced the poverty, violence, and immigration of c central america.a. soso that is a split in the neoliberal mind that tim kaine represents. amy: greg grandin, thank you for being with us. that does it for two weeks of breaking with convention. spececial thanks to pedro rugg regress on his final day with us . i will be doing a report tonight at provincetown town hall in

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