>> today on "earth focus" -- chemicalal pollutionon. an american city fights back. and the toxic legacy of gold mining in peru. oming up on "earth focus." >> on a warm summer night, you can s see where people choose t live on toms river, riverboats, beaches, the promise of relaxing days and good health. but years ago the town became famous for a different reason, chemicals and cancer. >> w we had no idea theyey were discharging toxic chemicals.

>> they never should have let the people of toms river drink that water. >> i know where my son's cancer came from. >> the company got caught. >> it's part of the duty of government to protect the public health and that didn't happen. >> if it happened here, it really can happen any place. >> the chemical history of toms river began in 1962 when giba geigy, a chemical dye company built a industrial l manufafacturing plplant. >> there wasn't t much happepen at t toms river. chicken farming was the biggest industry. there was a little bit of tourism but not much. when this very large c chemical concern said we want to build a factory to make dye in your town, we sasaid come alolong. >> thehe company brougught jobs brought about poor waste management practices. >> it was very clear as much of the major dye manufacturers in

that era t that they had big issueses with pollution. they creatated contamination problems wherever they were and ciba was no exception. ciba een 1962-1966, geigy had about 20 sites. on the days the plant was operating, over five million gallons of chemical waste were dumped directly in the riviver. thesese were days whenen the philosophy was out t of siight, ouout of mind and didn't have proper waste disposal. >> don bennett grew up in toms river and ran in the river as a young boy, just downstream from where the plant dumps. dd >> it was bizarre to a teenage kid swimming in what looked to be just another river. the e water was alwayays ice co evenen in the m middle of the summmmer. when you came over here, the

swinging bridge, it was a popular swimming place with young people. if youour nose e was w working your eyes were working, y you would ceainly recognize something was really wrong. >> don's connection to toms river isn't just water. for over 30 years, he worked at the local newspaper and was one of the first reporters to ciba geigy chemimical dumping. >> according early on to the report ciba geigy comommissioio was about a million g gallons a day was seeping in the seepage pits they had creaated on the plant site. i was going i into the ground water. that w was a million gallons an they thought that was 40% of the waste thehey were creating every day.y. >> thehe rest, the 60% were bei discharged directly into this river. >> when they come here in 1962,

there wasn't anybody nearby to notice as the garden state parkway brought more and more people to the area and more and more homes were built closer to the plant. more people became aware of the nighttime boaters that sometimes we had to close your windows it was so obnoxious. >> the plant was portrayed by the local politicians as a good neighbor and was supposed to be no problems with it. so yeah,e felt faiairly safe moving in because the political struructure said it was safe. >> it fences the boundary of the ciba geigy property and you can see in the backgkground the proximity of some of the homes along cardinal drive. the homes you see were all built long after ciba geigy began its chemical dye makingng here. and i would venture most of the people whoho bought here h had ididea who their neighbor was. i mean, there was no requirement to disclose anything in those days. >> part of the reason ciba

chose to move to this area was the ideal condition, dumping waste, the sandy soil in the nearby river. but that also made the area great for finding fresh drinking water. the water provider, toms river water company, supplied the entire township from a shallow well field just two miles downstream from the plant. if you lived in town and were a customer, it was quite possible you would drink whatever contom nationals ciba was dumpingng in the ground and river. >> we had evidence by 1964 they had contaminated the well field. >> in the summer of 1965 was particularly dry and the demand for water was high. the water company chose to continue operations despite warnings of contamination, which the local water company and ciba geigy concealed from the public. the following year, ciba geigy obtained a permit from the u.s. corps of engineers to construct

a 10-mile pipeline. for the first time, they coulul dump their chemical waste directly into the ocean. ciba thought their troubles were over. but the chemical problems in toms river continued to grow. >> the second bibig thing that happppened in toms river t that ermane to the story is illegal dumpers started coming down in central and southehern new jers where there was lolots of open space and not a l lot of people watching, carrying trucks with hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of barrels of hazardouous waste. that they didn't want to dispose of legally because it was too expensive. there was one very fateful illegal dumping incidentnt that occurred in the early 1970's in the back two acres of a chicken farm. this trucker took several thousand rusting barrels of hazardous waste from union carbide into north jersey and

just started digging trenches in the bacack of this chickenen farm and dumping these barrels, many of which were already coming apart. and union carbide did not t tak a lot of interest in what this guy was doing, they were happy to be rid of their barrel also. >> in just three months, september-november, 1971, over 5,0000 barrerels were ilillegal dumped. that december, the culprits were arrested for dumping without a permit. but it took another seven months before the barrels were removed from the ground by union carbide. no other efforts were taken to clean the site. that summer of 1972, the water mpany added six new wells, miles out from the farm. for the next 12 years, toms river would remain a normal american town, and in fact the beaches incurred population growth. but for some families, cancer was c causing their worst

nightmare. >> i was 30. the first 30 years of our lives were carefree, like any young couple, trying to pay your bills, enjoy life and d doing hings. then you get a child that has cancer and y your whole life changes completely. it now is surround and revolves a around your child th is sick. >> i was diagnosed with a cancer of the synthetic nervous system and still have effects of it today. >> michael is alive. he's a miracle. he's received the last rite many times. he's 34 years old. he has very limited normalcy to his life. >> the t tumor is pushing my spine pretty much out of my

body, like it's wearing away the skin. t's a also encompassed, it wras around like all my organs, heart, lungs and kidneys and all that and there's no surgicical way to r remove it. without me either bleeding out on the table or becoming a vegetable, i was told. >> i would buy the powdered similac and i would mix i it wi tap water. and so everything that my son got was mixed from the toms river tap water. i really belelieved th that is where his cancer came from. >> in the late 1970's when michael was first diagnosed, there initially was no connection made to drinking water. it wasn't until a dramatic day in 1984 that would spur linda and any others in the community to investigate their water

quality. ciba's ocean pipeline that had now been operating for 18 years burst at the intersection of bay and vaughn, right in the iddle of one of toms river's busiest intersection. the stink of the pipe couldn't be ignored. >> a lot of people were new to this area and weren't even aware this pipeline existed and the e reality wawas that thehe pipeline ran from the toms river chehemical plant 10 miles across the mainland of toms river and then out into the ocean.n. into some of the most heavily used tourist beaches along the east coast. it was the leak heard arouound ththe wororld i have sometimes called it because it mobilized citizenry bototh here and on th bebeach and what we banan that april day still hasn't stopped. >> journalists, including don,

took the break as a reason for further investigating the chemical life of toms river and for the first time, ciba's plant and the dumng at the farm were made public attention. >> the people in the town started to realize something was going on. that was within the first two years a after the p pipeline br >> it was probably more than 10 years bebefore we understood th full consequences of what was going on. >> between 1986-1996, the facts slowly emerged about the chemical pollution, all the while, more kids got cancer. >> my third daughter was born in 1989, and unfortunately, shs became sick relelively quicickl when she was about 10 months olold, we discovereded she had cancer. and unfortunately, only y survived untilil she was 14 months old. at that titime in 199090 when s passed away, there was really not a thought that it was

related to any type of the environmental problems. >> by this time linda gillick had started her own cancer assistance nonprofit, ocean of law. and it was her early observations of cancer in the cocommunity that d drove furthe investigation. >> i put up a mamap of the w wh county so thatat we could see where our chihildren were locat for our case workers. and as thehe yearsrs went on,n, noticed that toms river had . come one big dark area and it was a big concern. i did reaeach out to the s stat health department numerous times s and told them of my concern and was told over and over again that there w was not problem. > only later in the 1990's, the midd 1990'0's was there mor and momore information that was comingng out. but, you know, some of the water supply had been contaminated with certain chemicals.

>> 1996 was particularly crucial for people of toms river. the state health authorities reported the rate of childhood brain and central nervous systemem cancer was excessive. with iver is now a town cancer. >> 69 families, 69 children and their parents are usually y coconsidered a cluster. but epidemiology tells us in a communit there may be an unusual pattern of disease, either defined in space, geographically, or in time that develops over a period of t tim when that hahappens we c call i cluster and a c cluster is a clue, a piece of evidencece tha something g may be happening in that communityty. that's what happened in toms river. >> because off the unusual number of rare childhood cancers, the community demanded answers. and the finger pointed back to ciba geigy and the toxic waste

drums union carbide dumped at the farm. a decade earlier, two wells at e farm had been t tested and trichloralethylene was found. >> once it was found coming from the farm, the goverernment sosolute droropped the b ball. that never should have let happen and let the people drink that water. >> the e.p.a. and union carbide adopted a remediation plant. it's a superfund site. we will let these chemicals go into the public drinking waters and aerate them out and then the water will be safe to drink.k. someone said, why don't we put carbon filters on that water just to make sure nothing gets through. they said it's going to aerate out, you don't need carbon. well, that was a mistake that cost lives. because it turns out the only

thing, there was a lot of other stuff in the water they weren't looking for because they weren't on e.p.a.'s priority pollutant list so the group included other chemicals, thyrene and acilorites is known to cause cancer and they let it go 10 years and it wasn't until they saw the high rate of cancer that they took another look at the water and they found this. every c critical fact community need to learn. you may think you're safe. you're not safe because there may be things in there you're not looking for. the priority pollutant list of the e.p.a. >> in 1996 when these cancer causing chemicals were found, all eight wells of the parkway were shut down. and it was the first step in cleaning up the pollution. over the next five years, union carbide would install carbon

filters on the wells near the farm, a settlement would be reached by the families in the cancer cluster and ciba geigy paid $92 million to begin the 30-year process of making the contaminated ground water safe. today toms river water is clean. but from the mistake made and lessons learned could not be ignored by other communities. >> the overall societal cost and actual dollar cost would have beeeen a lot less if back the 1970's that we had a problem here, we can't keep this well field a anymore. the chchemical companies may be big dollar item right now, but you're going to have to fund moving this well field to another spot. that's not what we've done here. and, you know, i think that the overall citizens of toms river paid a very heavy price over that 40-year span. >> you need to have tests and

you need to have levels of safety for all of these chemicals that we're ingesting. as long as we do not have this information and regulation on these thousands of chemicals that are being ingested all over the c country in water supplies, we are not going to be able e to protect the future of this cocountry. of these children. >> no corporation, no politician is bigger than a combined voice of people. when people join together and form their voice into one that's loud, we're not going to stand for this, there's no standing up against that. ♪

>> chemical pollution isn't limited to industrialized nanations. inin peru, south america, mercu poisoning is impacting human health and it's the mining of gold driving this contamination. a new film "amazon gold" documents a deadly twist in an's quest foror gold. >> the jungle begin with a patch here and a patatch here a a patch here and then there's chunks of trees here and chunks of treree there is and it's m m. becacause you have motorsrs dow over there.. so wee walk across here and com upon this enormous hole. >> the gold mining is an issue that's hit bigtime the image of

peru and concern. >> mercury is one of the most toxic naturaral s substances s knowow of. the amouount of mercury that go into gold minining is estimated to be on the order of about 30 tons per year. that's a trememendous amount of mercury. > what we see today about go mining are no different than the drug trade. illegal gold mining and drug trafficking and the mafias are tied to there. > we went do t to have a loo at goldd mining b because gold mining iss onene of the underer things that's desestroying this enormous forest. >> what we're seeing here is an

example of something that's happening where there's been a boom of destruction. > amazing. >> it has taken the miners a week to destroy a habitat that took millions of years to volve. >> for over ounce of gold extracted, the m miners add an equal amount of mercury. the metal mercury is generally a liquid and has a particular affity for gold. poured into a slurey with tiny flececks of gold, the mercurury binds to them, making themem ea to retririeve. >> merercury poisoning affffect

ththe human body by affectining nervouous system. when you have high levels of mercury that are in the blolood hair, oror urine whichch are th major bioindicators, it indicates therere is going to b an effect t on the brain, peopl have lower i.q. levels. they have balance issues, aggressiveness issues. they have problems with hearing, with sight, with taste. much of the mercury that's used in the process of concentrating that gold is lost, dumped into the rivers and lakes of the area that you have the mining. mercury hahas the unusualal abi of concentrating and magnifying. and as it moves up the food chain as one animal eats another, in this case fish, it concentrates and accumulates. they have concentrations that are millions or tens of

millions of times higher than the water that they live in. it's a perfect mechanism to be able to concentrate it in a form that affects the next consumer, and in many cases hose are people. the cararnegie institutition fo science has s crubblingted -- conducted research since 2008 and found the levels of merercu are incrcreasing in line with t gold production that's been occurring in the region. in a study published in match in the we found that capital, not 60% of the species old i in the food markets exced e.p.a. limits for safe consumption of fish because of mercury. the problem is a very difficult one. because it is not just an environmentatal problem o or an economic proroblem, it't's a so

problem. these are people that are poor, subsistence farmers trying to find a better life and taking advavantage of the opportunniti thatat they have, namely y that price of gold d is nearly at an all-l-time high. they're using the technology that they have availablele, whi is one thahat's been used for nearly 2,000 years. but t they are unaware of ththe price that they pay for doing this, not just for themselves but for the aninimals a and pla that are affected. because of the economic opportunity, no one wants to hear badad news about something that's making hem hundredsds of times more money than they did the year before.

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announcer: this is a production of china central television americica. mike: reinventing the wheel--it's often said when people waste time creating sosomething that already wororks well, but sometimes coming up with a new approach cacan have a positive impact. this week on "full frame," conversation with innnnovators who are reinventing the wheel. they're also upending thosose ordinary tasks, making the daily grind easier and in the process, creating a better world. i'm mike walter, coming to you from the heart of new york city's vibrant times square. let's take it "full frame."

in 2012, matt dadalio founded endless computers, a san francisco-based startup. he had one simple goal: provide access to affordable personal computers to people in the developing world. . almost immediatately, endless had an impact. matt: he's a little 12-year-old boy, who 8 months ago couldn't speak english and decided to teach himself english through his computer, and i'd like to have you meet him. jimmy, please welcome me on stage. [applause] jimmy: hello. matt: so tell me about yourself, jimmy. jimmy: hi,i, everybody. my name is jimmy. i am 12 years old. i really like e to play videogames and read books. matt: so how did you learn

english? jimmy: i learned english by practicing and reading, listening. i already in the program duolingo. i'm practicing in--in videos, skype, and writing on whatsapp. matt: and tell me how much english did you know 8 months ago? jimmy: oh, i learned 8 months ago on march of the last year. matt: and how much did y you knw 8 months ago? jimmy: nothihing. [laughter] mike: here's something you u may not know. 75% percent of the world currently has no access to computers, but t dalio isis convinced that soon people in emerging markets, like guatemala and mexico a and much of latin america, will be able to getet this techchnology. that access will radically change people's lives like never before. endless computers is reinventing the way people access technology, and matt is joining us from san francisco to share with us his hope of bringing computers to the

masses and how he's making that a reality. welcome to the broadcast, matt. matt: thank you for having me. mike: this kid! oh, man, you want a sales feature, just bring him up on stage. he was amazing, wasn't he? matt: the incredible thing is that you'll find this story everywhere. just last week i was in bangladesh talking to someone who is 8 years old, learning to program, is now an entrepreneur building a health program to help his entire country, and you will see these stories across emerging markets. jimmy was one story that happened to be in the audience. oh, my god, the incredible thingng is that this same story is everywhere. mike: well, tell me about the first time you--you hearard this story, because you know you're creating this thing, it's going to have an impact, but then to see it, and it's so tangible, and here's this kid who's so vibrant, so alive. i mean, that confidence he has, you know a lot of that stems from this interaction. matt: it's funny. i went to dinner with jimmy that night, and he was telling me about how he's learned to hack his android phone. he's talked--you

know, he's got all these games that he's learned to hack. there is so much entrepreneurial energy and vibrancy, so much curiosity, and--and--and there is--and even here we talk about howw ththere's an educational system that gets in the way. there, they don't even have the educational system to either get in the way or prop someone up. so it's just like--you just got to give him the tools, you got to give him something, and here it is, jimmy with 8 months, you can see what the right t tool can do. mike: tell you what, matt, why don't you pause for just a second. we''ve got a clip we're going to run, and then i want to pick up on the back side of this. let's listen in. woman: endless w works easily from the moment you turn it on. all of your favoririte apps are on your desktop. it includes a full e ecosystem of application, including a word processor, software for presentations, and spreadsheets that can even open word, powerpoint, and excel files. with one click, you can access your browser. endleless was built to work with or without internet, so regardless of your ability toto connect, it's just as valuable when used offline. our apps s can be used

to write school reports, edit your resume, and do pretty much anything you'll need for school, work, or home. endless also comes with a built-in app center. inside, you can find over 100 applications that can be installed with a click of a button, and the best part is they are all free. there's a full encyclopedia, e educational videos and lectures, apps for health and wellness, parenting, and so much more. mike: so, matt, that gives us an overview, but let's kind of just kind of break it down a little bit. with or without the internet--um, many of us don't think about that in the western world, but that's key, isn't it? matt: itit's funny. we're doingg two very counterintuitive things. the whole silicon valley is moving towards two ththings, mobile and cloud, andd they've forgotten that most of the world doesn't have desktop and doesn't have cloud, um, and so computing has actually gotten worse in environments--in emerging markets, even, you know, desktop computer, and the solution to that's not that hard. you just have to think

about what is it that people want when they're accessing the internet. what people want is two things. it's communication, which is really cheap on a data plan, and it's information, which is really expensive on a data plan, and that's the limitation, but the reality is that most information that people use is actually the same information, right? so to give you an example, wikipedia, 80% of all wikipedia searches are for 3% of wikipedia entries. so the information that we want is not all possible information. it's really actually a pretty limited subset of that information, and what we've done is gone and put it inside of each computer. mike: how did you get to the point where you knew what to deliver, because, yoyou know, y're in ththe silicon valley where everyone is thinking outside the box and creative, and yet, you almost have to kikind of take a step back and say, "no, no, no, we've got to strip this down." how did you get to where you are in delivering what they need? matt: pretty much everything we've learned, we've learned from going out in the field. it's funny how, you know, you can speculate on what the right thing is here, and then you go

there, and you realize how wrong you are, uh, and you realize all of the new ideas that you can bring back here to build, um, and so we went, and we just asked people what they wanted. um, the first approach that we had was let's go look at statistically what it is that people want, but that doesn't include everything, righght, because i'm not searching for health information every day, but by god, when i am searching for that information, i want that information, and so what we did is we went and we found information, like people want handicrafts. why do they want handicrafts? well, it's because they make the handicrafts, they sell them, and that's livelihood. we found that people were constantly making cvs in internet cafes. my first thought was, "why are they making cvs?" and it turns out that it's--it's a gig economy. in other words, they get a job for about 3 weeks, a month, , ad then they get the next job. so they're constantly having to update their cv, so we went and we made an offline application to guide people through the process of making cvs, and this has sort of symbolized how

we've built the whole thing, which is we don't know what they want. just go ask. mike: and so getting you in a studio, talking ababout this i s probably a rare ococcurrence. hw often are you on planes, and--and what are some of the things you're learning as you go on your journeys, and where do you go? matt: i was in bangladesh last week, dubai the week before that. i'll be in guatemala and mexico in two weeks, um, brazil in a couple months, so i'm--i'm sort of always on the road, and it's because that's the source of truth. mike: what about the cost? you know, when we think of the cost of computers, obviously they've come down considerably when you--you know, when you think about buying that first computer years ago, but still it can be prohibitive for people in the areas that you're going to. . how much doeoes it ? matt: goodod question. so what e found was the e cost was the first big barrier for people being able to have these devices. if you see tablets sweeping across emerging markets, the question is, is that because they want a tablet more than a computer, or is that because they can only afford a tablet and they can't

afford a computer? the insight we had was let's use the same type of ococessothatat's ininde of a tlelet. tt'the momo expensive ining. t sececon most eenensivehingng ia scre. . everne''s alrerey got a tv at me. let's go u that tv, and the thirmomost expensivthing isn operatg stem. ife make aree opoperatg g syst, itit mns thaha weouldld diver aomputeter w for $79. mike: um, there are lolot of people wre y yo're sting w e getting incribly rich t dointhis st of wor th'reiming products at th know thmasses wl buyy and enend a loof moneyn, and th can livin a nic fay hous what ma you go in ts othedirection? ma: so i--actually led in chinfor a ye when i was 11 years old. i lived with a chinese family. so i left my family here. i went to an all- chinese school. i ate dumplings each day. i went and biked to school. uh, and when i was 16, i went back and spent a summer in an orphanage in china, um, and that was really when my eyes opened. there is a whole other world that is in a whole

lot of need, um, and that is most of emerging markets, is somewhere sort of in thehe midde of the econonomic bell curve. people talk about t the pyramid. it's not a pyramid anymore. it's a bell curve, and there's this rising middle class, and that is--that's what china is, right? um, and we're in this very unique moment in history where technology is, for the very first time, accessible to that person, whether through a smartphone, a tablet, a computer, um, and if you go and ask mckenzie or bcg or bane or one of these big consulting firms, and you say, "what is the next great trend, the largest trend of the next decade?" economically, from a business perspective, they will all tell you the next billion consumers. in fact, the next billion consumers is quoted by mckenzie as being the largest opportunity in the history of capitalism, and so if i've got one mission--when you saw that ted talk, my whole reason for standing on that statage was to tell the entrepreneurs of this world there is this opportunity over here. go focus on that as

an economic opportunity, and you will be able to change lives at scale that has never been possible in history before. it used to be that impact, business were separate. now they're one and the same, and i just feel so darn lucky that i get to devote my life to--to--to using the power of business to go affect, you know, impact it at--at--at scale. mike: but you know what's interesting--and i--i--i don't want to go back too far, but--but i was just thinking about it. you know, you--you--you workrk on this, yu quit, you could've easily thrown in the towel and gone and do something else. so--so there was a reason why you were just like, "well, i'm going to keep pushing." um, so talk to me about that. matt: i wake up p every single momoing and ththink about the importance of what we're doing. it sounds crazy. i believe that the destiny of 3 billion people sits on our shoulders, um, and that sounds absolutely crazy, um, but everyone else in technology is focused on

desktop and cloud, and no one is focused on the two solutions--or mobile and cloud--and no one is focused on people who don't have those two things. i still haven't seen it. i've been working on this for 5 years, and the answer still hasn't come, and i believe with all the conviction in my heart, through every challenge that we have faced, you put a brick wall in front of me, i will find my way to run through that, only because of how important it is. when there are 3 billion people and their lives are sitting on the other end of that, you find a way, um, and so here we are. we've got the answer, andnd, you know, telling the world about it is a whole other set of challenges. now we have to go get that into 3 billion hands, and, you know, that is not an easy thing, but again, it does not matter how hard it is. you do it. mike: so extend it out for me. i mean, you must think about this. where is jimimmy? he's--at age 12, he's this kid. at 22 and 32 and 42, he's a much different child--i mean, a much different adult, as a result of

this childhood, than the kid living in a village who doesn't have a access to all of this. so extend it out for me. i mean, your vision of the world, and--and there aren't a lot of peopople who c can say, "you kn, i'm touching people today, but i'm touching the future," and you can say that. matt: i--i--i can tell you stories. so, you know, there's an imagination of what it looks like when some, you know, "n" number of people has this, but, um, i was just in bangladesh, and there was a guy who was telling me a story. he was very lucky in his country to get access to a computer. at 8 years old, he was sort of picked on at school, and so he'd go home, and his computer was the thing--it was his outlet. itit was his creative outltlet. that put him on an entirely different trajectory. it was--all of a sudden, every minds, every curiosity he had was able to be answewered. he ws just a curious person, and there were the answers, um, and you fast forward, and--and he was able to go to harvard. he met another friend from bangladesh, who start--he started a--a company with, to go back--and note again, it's a company, not a foundation, that's doing this. he started a company to go deliver quality

health care at scale, and so they're using tablets through all of these quack doctors that line emerging markets, that line bangladesh, to be able to connect them with a doctor, with a diagnostic set of tools that every single one of these quack doctors has, um, and with a set of algorithms that can mean that now people who literally have never seen a doctor before at 65 years old, never seen a doctor in their life before--i was just with these guys last week--are able to now have access to a doctor in the capital city of bangladesh, and that story came from an 8-year-old child who had access to a computer. what does the world look like when every kid has access to a computer? your imagination can go as far as mine can go. it's--it's--it's mind-boggling. mike: and we don't think of computers as a level playing field, but--but itit is the levl playing field, isn't it? i mean, it's the difference between what you just described and-d--and an entirely d differt future. matt: i think that's right.

there's nothing we can do to give, you know, everyone a level playing field. i mean, i had--i had access to, you know, the best educationon possible. there's just nothing that we can do to give everyone access to the benefits that i have been very lucky to have in my life, and if there's one thing we can do for them, my god, it's open up their world, everything that fits inside of a box that literally fits inside my palm. mike: so hope is endless, and itit's a great name to hahave fr your company, isisn't it? matt: it's--the name cameme in sort of a--a--a 30-second fit of inspiration, and it's--it's--it's uncovered why this is sort of, um--i don't know, it feels like it's meant to be. mike: matt, it's been greatat chatting with you, and i know you're traveling again tomorrow, so thanks for sitting down in the studio and visiting with us, and best of luck to you in the future. matt: thank you for having me. mike: coming up next, a new take on the job hunt.

times, they are a changing, and nowhere is that more evident than in the workplace. no longer satisfied with simply collecting a paycheck, today's job seekers want more, much more. they want the work to be meaningful, but they also want to find employers whose corporate cultures align with their own values and ideals. our next guest knows about this shift firsthand. after a particularly lengthy and challenging job search, nina cheng created a job search site. hiho puts human needs, like preferences and company culture, at the center of the job hunt. as co-founder and ceo, nina's committed to fulfilling hiho's vision that nobody should be unhappy with their job. nina believes employee happiness should be considered a basic human right. nina cheng is here to share her own career adventures and misadventures and to tell us how hiho aims to disrupt the

job search landscape. welcome to "full frame." nina: thank you for having me. mike: let me ask you about this. i guess everybody that i can think of probably has a story about a horrible job experience or a horrible job search. nina: mm-hmm. mike: do you have both? nina: i do have both. ha ha ha! lucky me. mike: and is that why you're sitting here today? i mean, is that led to this... nina: definitely. mike: in a--in a sense? nina: yeah, um, so i graduated college in 2008, which was a particularly difficult time for young job seekers. um, actually, in the fall of 2007, i received a jobob offer and signed on toto work at bear stearns, which is one of the large investment banks in new york at the time. um, ultimately, that bank ended up collapsing, and i became a refugee of, you know, wall street before i even started working. so after that, it was just extremely difficult for me to find a job, and i was spending 8 hours or more a day applying for jobs online, speaking to people, and nothing really worked out, so i've used pretty much every jojob search site there was at the e me, um,

and finally after a year and a half, i did end up getting back into investment banking, um, but that w was, you know, a very long, arduous, exhausting process, so i haven't forgotten what that was like, and combined with some of my n not great job experiences, it really led to the culmination of hiho. mike: so i g guess going through that whole, "i got to find a job," you availed yourself of probably e everything out there. nina: yes. mike: and probably saw a lot of the shortcomings. i mean, what were some of the things that kind of hit you as you were going throrough the process, that, "jeez, if i could change this..." nina: yeah... mike: "this is what i'd change." nina: well, i think a lot of job sites out there don't really focus on millennial job seseekers at all, which is unfortunate because as of 2015, millennials are now the majority of the workforce. so they tend to focus on things like pay or job title or, you know, um, the largeness of a company, for example, size of a company, but for a lot of millennials, that's not what they care about. we--i can say that because i consider myself

a millennial--but we care more about things like company culture or level of flexibility that a company would offer you, um, and, you knonow, work life balance or work life harmony. so those things just typically aren't reflected on any of these competitor sitites. mike: is it becaususe you look t your parents and say, you know, "i'm not going to go that route." " i mean, why--because i think what you're saying is so right on target--i've got two millennials myself--and--and it is. it's an entirely different way of looking at the landscape. nina: right. definitely. um, gen--gen-x'ers, i guess, is what they're called, or baby boomers, um, they definitely have a different pererceptioionf what a job should be. a lot of people think that a job is to put food on the table, um, and they're more interested in pay, getting a promotion, advancing in the workplace--excuse me--um, and also, i think a lot of millennials have had to deal with parents who are divorced, and because of that, they've seen firsthand what the impact of having a life filled only with work can really lead to, so they want t to avoid thatat,s well as, um, you know, just

having this all-consuming lifestyle of work and no play. mike: and one of the other things you have to do when you enter business is look at the landndscape and see who your competitors are and what they offer, so i thought maybe we could walk through--we--we've picked 4 job search engines, and--and maybe we can go through each and kind of talk about what their characteristics are, and then maybe we can come back to you and talk to you about how you differ. so we'll start with indeed, and this kind of maps out--it's a traditional job board. you can get in, you can type in certain words, those keyword searches, and a lot of different industries available there. so that--how would you call that--what kind of a model? is that more just traditional... nina: it's a pretty traditional job board. um, it's keyword-based, and you basically type in something like "paralegal in new york," and then i it spits ouout thouss ofof job searches or job search results.s. mike: so we e looked at one. lelet's take a l look at our second, which i believe is hired. this is a different model, though, isn't it? it's kind of the reverse, isn't it? nina: it is reversed, so i think they only accept 5% of

candidates who apply. you basically upload your resume and a few details about yourself, and they tell you whether you're accepted into the program, and after that, companies can decide if they want to speak with you or not. mike: so the firstst one, ii guess, you could kind of call it a cattle call, everybody's out there. nina: right. mike: the second is more geared towards the company. they kind of help whittle it down in a sense for them. let's take a look at our third. this one's really kind of going towards your market in a sense... nina: yeah, a little bit. mike: in that it's--it's basically aiming at social good mission, is what jumps out at me, which is also a--a structure of millennials, too, isn't it? i mean, they really want to make a difference in the world. the nina: right, um, millennials do list one of their priorities as having a purpose or a mission on the workforce--in the workplace, rather. so idealist is, you know, pretty ideal actually for millennials. mike: and, of course, the fourth is linknkedin, and i thik everybody in the universe is on linkedin now. i'm not sure everybody knows how to use it or what it's all about, but it's professional networking used by recruiters and the headhunters and also job

postings. so when you looked at the landscape and you saw these 4--we're just taking them as an example--where were the pocks where you saw where they weren't connectingng the dotots where you think you can? nina: so actually, most of these focus on a different demographic from us. we really focus on specifically millennial job seekers in the age group of roughly 24 to 32. so, um, a lot of these either are more general or not exactly the targetet we're going for. so part of that is age, and another is really y e iorities that comeitith being a millennial and having this mindset. so we do give people a lot morere options in terms of what they can prioritize in the job search. normally, if you go on to, say, indeed, and you're doing a job search for a paralegal, as i mentioned before, um, often times, you get a spit-out of, you know, thousands of job searches or job search results, um, and they're not prioritized in a way that's meaningful or purposeful. so the way that they structure it often times

is that companies that pay the most end up having their job search r rults the h highest. .o it's not really keeping the job seekers' best interest in mind, it's much more focused on the companies', and what we're trying to do is give job seekers, you know, a little bit more leeway and a little bit more benefits there. mike: you're kind d of jostling the work world in a sense of--a good friend of mine is the director of this broadcast. we always laugh about one of his bosses who would see people conversing, and, "no more talking! get back to work!" this concept of happiness is a human right, there are a lot of bosses who don't--don't think that s should be a human righth, whwhere it's cracked the whip. how do you change that mindset, do you think, and why do you see it as a--as a basic human right to be happy at the workplace? nina: yeah, well, um, i think, you know, the more i looked at it, the more happipiness at work seemed to be synonymous with happiness in life because we are spending so much time in the workplace, um, probably,

you know, a third to half of our lives and the mamajority of our working hours, um, and even with, you know, technology, smart phones, what have you, you're pretty much on call 24/7, at least that's what it feels like to me oftentimes.s. um, so, you know, there's--there's a much more blurred line of what work in life means, and to that extent, if you're trying to be happy in life, which is kind of the goal of any human being, um, and, you know, the goal of human nature, i would say, then why not seek happiness in the workplace, as well? so this is--i think it's a newer concept, but it's something that a lot of millennials have come away with after the recession and, you know, what they had to suffer through in this more scarcely-based mindset, where, really, employers were king. i think now employees have much more power, and th c can go ahead and, you know, make some decisions that they didn't really feel empowered to make a few years befofore. mike: you know, it's interesting, you worked at bear stearns, and--and, i mean, wall street is not--is a stone's throw away from here. uh, most people on wall street would

tell you that, you know, "no, it's the shareholders that's most important." nina: right. mike: my boss would tell me that it's the viewers that--that are more important, customers, however you break it down, but you have this sense that if an employee is happy, then it does benefit the company and the shareholder, the--so give me your thoughts on that, because i guess if we're all miserable, perhaps we're not--we're not--our work is p probably not as strtrong af we're happy, right? i mean... nina: yeah, it actually makes a big impact, um, happiness and employee engagagement, to a company's bottom line. so, um, it's been proven that an employee who is happier and more engaged at work tends to take less sick days. there's also lower--or higher retention, i guessss, you can say,y, lower turnovers. so peope who are more engaged and feel happier at work tend to leave a job less easily, and actually the number one reason people leave a job is due to company culture, and when you're lookining at millennials who hae much higher turnover than previous generations, it's

extremely costly for companies to constantly have to hire replacements. um, it's about $15,000 to $25,000 every time a company needs to replace a millennial employee, so that cost really adds up along withth the other things i've mentioned, and overarall, companies that have better cultures and, you know, employees who are more engaged, they tend to reach their goals faster andnd better, i guess you can say, so there's a lot of reasons why a company would want their employees to be engaged. mike: i read a--a piece in--in a--a news--magazine, i think it was last year, where hr people were starting to complain about younger employees that--you know, they--they didn't mind the, you know, setting up yoga, but now one kid wants karate, nobody else does, and why do i have to do all of this stuff? do you think you're going to run up against that kind of mindset, and is that something that they're just going to have to get used to? i mean, you're going to have to offer these perks. nina: right. so right now you sesee a lot of that in silicon valley and in the tech startup space, where i think there's a particularly insane war for

talent, especially with people with a technical background. so it hasn't necessarily reached corporate america yet, but i think, you know, given that millennials are now the majority of the workforce, it will become a bigger issue, and corporate america will have to catch up sooner or later. um, yeah, so it's--it's a matter of time, i think. mike: it's funny that you say that because this person was from the silicon valley, and they were just ready to rip their hair out, but i guess... nina: yeah. mike: if you're competing for that kind of talent, and the pool isn't that big, you almost have to do this, don't you? nina: yes, you do, and actually, "wall street journal" published a very interesting article. um, i think it was called, like, "the lavish perks of today's startups," or something along those lines, but it talked about how, you know, companies now have a happiness manager, they have people who are willing to do whatever it takes to getet companies, or to get people to come on board, whether that's, you knowow, catered lunches or yoga studios, as you mentioned, or just, you know, unlimited vacations, very flexible work policies. so that's definitely

something that's veryry prevalet in silicon valalley, a and i thk that culture will trickle down into the rest of america. mimike: do you think you can go too far? nina: um, i don't know, maybe. but, um, ultimately, you know, there's--there's a balance because e companies know that it does pay to have workers happy and to have workers engaged, and if you're keeping people at the office longer and keeping them happy at the office longer, then they'll also be more likely to produce good work and, you know, to stay there longer, as well. mike: twtwo final questions, and i'll--i'll pair them. uh, what advice would you give to a millennial right now who's out there looking for a job but doesn't want to settle for something? you know, they want to find that perfect fit. and what do you say to the parent of that child who has them living in their basement who just wants them to get a job and get out and start their life? nina: yeah, well... mike: because that's what you see, isn't it? i mean... nina: : yeah, , millennials are much more likelyly to not take n a job and, you know, be

slightly miserable versus taking on a job ththey don't lie and bebe very miserable. um, i would say for millennials that they should probably consider talking to people that they can get honest feedback from. so if you go into a company, i would ask to speak to their most junior employees. i think they'rere most likely to be candid with you and to offer some, you know, good advice or, um, give you the landscape of what, you know, the hr and the management is like there. um, i also think--and this is a piece of advice i got from senior citizens when n i was woworking with healthcare real estatate ad senior living nursing homes and such. so the number one regret of seniors on their deathbed was that thehey wished they had the courage to live a life that was true to themselves and not a life that, you know, they thought someone else wanted ththem to lilive. so i would definitely tell these people that they should be true to themselves and to evaluate and reevaluate their priorities because it'll change many times throughout their career, and to the parents, um, i would just say to be patient. i think this

is--it's--you know, students are for the first time--or millennials are for the first time--worse off than their parents are. i think it's actually the first time in over a century. so, um, it isn't easy for millennials these days, either, and, you know, a lot of them have a lot of debt, and they feel l the pressure, as well, so i would say to be patient, and i think my story is also a testament to that. mike: nina, thanks so much for coming in. nina: thank you for having me. mimike: and good advice. coming up next, have you hailed a cab lately? your options for a hired ride are growing, and our next guest is adding a feminine touch. we'll be right back. it's unusual to see no matter where you travel in the world. in fact, when was the last time you saw a woman driver behind

the wheel of a cab? it's extremely rare even right here. there are 115,000 people driving taxis and limousines in new york city, but only--get this--3% of them are women. our next guest is working to increase those numbers and to ensure that more women are in the driver's seat. she's a wife, mother, and founder of she taxis, or sherides, as the service is called within new york city limits. it's the first company in the united states to offer taxi and car services for women from women through an iphone application. this service emulates already existing models that are successful in a number of other countries. here to tell us about the advantages of being both behind the wheel and in the passenger seat of she taxis is stella mateo. stella, welcome to "full frame." stella: thank you. thank you for having me on the show. i appreciate the opportunity. mike: you bet. so let me ask you the--the obvious question, which is why? and then the second one: why two names? stella: ok, the reason why,

it's a--it's a movement to empower women financially and personally, and the reason for the name is in new york city, you're only allowed toto use the name "taxis" for the yellow cabs. um, outside of the new york city area, it's she taxis, but in new york city, sherides. mike: i see. let me ask you about the concept. uh, you've been around the taxi industry for a while. when did it first occur to you that, "jeez, there aren't any women driving these things"? stella: um, after--my husband is the founder and spokesperson for the new york city federation of taxi drivers, and through the--over 20 years, listening to all the issues pertaining to the industry, i was more focused on women issues, and then when we looked at the statistics and see that, as you mentioned, 97% of the drivers are men in the yellow industry, less than 1%, but 60%--very interesting--60% of the ridership are women. mike: so talk to me about drivers. h how hard--i mean,

you've--there obviously isn't a lalarge pool out there a as we'e been talking. i mean, how do you grow that? what were some of the obstacles that you faced right off the bat? stella: some of the obststacles werere, um, you know, someme pee felt that, you know, why women and--andnd feel that we're not inclusive of men, and that's when i turned around and said, "how can anyone say that?" 97% of the industry is dominated by men, and 1 1%--less thanan 1%, i mentioned, of the yellow cabs. mike: it's interesting. i was doing a gogoogle search, and i'm not trying to besmirch the--the cab industry in any way, but i just put in "women assaulted by cab driver" in a google search, and it was amazing how many hits came up, um, and--and here in the united states, in--in england, in india, i mean, the list goes on and on and on, um, and i guess even if that's a really miniscule percentage, for a woman to see that article or that story, it--it ends up in here for a long, long time. so what is the fear factor for

women? what--what is the belief system, getting into a car and knowing that a woman's driving for you? how does that shift for them? stellala: oh, the women--the women that--the feedback that we get is that they are very, vevery happy, becacause you're a small, confined space, you know, and i'm not saying that men are dangerous in any way or that, you know, they're at risk by riding withth the men, bubut just--you feel safafer, a woman with another woman, and also, i have two daughters. i feel--it's a mother instinct. i always feel that women are more protective of other womemen and yoyoung girls, being a mother. also, um, , when my girls go out at night, i feel safer. i feel better knowing that i can--they can have the option of, you know, requesting a woman. mike: so when you first came up with this idea, and your husband obviously was on board, and you started to--to come up with the--the concept, um, what--what was the initial feedback you were getting from women, because the--the thing that's interesting about your operation is it's women drivers, women customers.

stella: yes, yes. when women get older, sometimes they can't find work, when you retire. our ambassador for she taxis is 65 years old, and she's so excited because she's retired, and she said, "where else would i find work?" it doesn't matter your size, doesn't matter your age, um, your ethnic background. so it's--it's very attractive for us to be able to do this kind of work. mike: tell us about your adornment here. stella: um, pink. yes, pink. i--i offer all the drivers that join she taxis, that joined the movement, the pink pashmina, and the reason for pink is it's a girly color, it's a friendly color, it's--it's feminine, and so we want to make a statement with it. mike: what are the most popular reasasons for using your s servs that you hear from the customers? stella: safety. safety is the number one reason. mike: and then what about other countries? i mean, we're talking about specifically new york, but--but obviously, doing your research, you must have found that this is something that's springing up in other countries. what--what did you find? stella: yes. it's--india is s oe

of thehe countries, and i beliee one of the main reasons why india is because muslim women, for religious beliefs, is another reason w why this is a great idea. muslim women cannot ride in a car with a man or drive a pass--or drive a man. so it's--they also have a service women for women because of those religious beliefs. mike: and do you think that this is something--obviously, you're bringing up india. i know that it's in other countries, as well. do you think this is something--it's kind of a tidal wave that this is just starting and that we're going to see this everywhere? stella: um, well, i hope to bring it everywhere. i don't know about anyone else, but we work--you know, we're going to develop it nationwide first, and then we're going to go international. we've been contacted by different countries. i've done interviews with france, italy, um, dubai, spain, different countriries around the w world contacting g, wanting for us to bring the services. mike: wow. you--you brought up men and how, you k know, it's overwhelmingly in their favor, but i suspect, you know, this

is a litigious society that we live in that--you know, that there's going to be somebody who's going to complain and say that this is discrimination, that sort of thing. are you prepared for that? have you heard that already or... stella: that was from the very beginning. i it was one of the main issues, and when i was asked, you know, that some people felt that it was discrimination against discriminanation, i said, "of course it't's didiscriminanatio% of an induststry dominated by mn and less than 1% in another, that is discrimination, absolutely." mike: what about feedback? what have you heard so far from passengers and the drivers who work for you? stella: uh, , we have feedback from women, especially coming from flying international into airports. one of our drivers, our ambassador drivers, said ththe lady--one ofof the womomed to herer, "look, somometimes, 'e running, you know, for--for meetings from--in traveling, and we run back. you know, we're schedule--behind schedule, we're traveling, but we're able to change in the back of the car because it's a woman." so they feelel comfortable. the comfort level, it's totally different than when they ride with a man. that's another compliment that we get, how comfortable they feel besides safe. mike: well, we were comfortable

talking to you. thanks so much for coming in. best of luck with your new venture. it sounds likike it's doing very, very well. stella: thank you. thank you for the support. mike: : ella, thananks so much. while stella and she taxi are reinventing the way women are hailing a cab, one of the world's most famous innovators is working on reinventing the way we travel long distances. in 2013, entrepreneur elon musk proposed a conceptual high speed transportation system called the hyperloop. the idea is that passengers would ride inside capsules at tremendously high speeds in pneumatic tubes. a cross-continent trip that today takes days could be completed in mere hours. construction of the hyperloop itself is still in the startup phase, but students at ucla's ideas campus have already envisioned what the hyperloop travel experience will be like, and as "full frame" contributor sandra hughes found out, reinventing the way we all travel is no small challenge.

sandra: driving from los angeles to san francisco takes between 6 and 8 hours. it's about 620 kilometers. flying between the two cities takes about an hour but could cost hundreds of dollars. the third travel option may look like a cross between a ride at disneyland and a science fiction transporter, but it's under a decade away, and it's called the hyperloop. for a $200 ticket, you can travel between the two cities in about 30 minutes. marta: it changes the perception of space. it--it changes the perception of time. it's--it's going to be revolutionary. sandra: revolutionary because the hyperloop could change the way people work, live, and commute. marta: people can live--they will be able to live in cheaper towns and cities and

commute to bigger cities for work. i mean, it's going to also change the way we live. i mean, it's quite incredible to think about, that you can actually, you know, live in los angeles and work in san francisco, just like this daily commute, 30 minutes. sandra: the technology behind the hyperloop isn't new, but the way this idea is coming to life is new. spacex founder elon musk threw out his vision of a hyperloop transportation system in 2013 as an open source to which engineers, architects, and stududents could all contriribute. craig: it's a reallyly good sort ofxample of f a 21st-c-century business model, and that is a business model which is not centered in a single entity, and--and this kind of cuts through the corporate red tape

in bureaucracy and focuses just on the creative members. sandra: professor craig hodgett, professor marta nowak, and 25 students at the university of california los angeles school of architecture ideas lab took on the challenge. using existing pneumatic tube technology, they envision capsules using solar energy. craig: we would have frfrictionleless whes. they'd be magnetic or air, and so if you gave this s thing a littttle pu, it's like an air hockey pucuck. it will l just bounce around forever.r. sandra: the students worked in teams creating mockups. matt: we were just looking at the data of elon's white paper and expanding it, so taking it to the next level, looking at, you know, how big would a hyperloop station have to be, what would the interior of the

capsule look like, how would you design it, would you be able to stand up inside of a capsule while it's moving at 760 miles an hour? and there's-- sandra: would you? can you? matt: yes, absolutely. sandra: theyad to creaeate stations wherere thousands of passengers per hour would arrive and depart. yaya: as an architect, we try to see what we can do, especially to a city, and hyperloop is such a big, new infrastructure. it's a new transportation system. it's a--as we can see, it has millions of possibilities of how it can impact on people's lives, also, how it can change the city. sandra: they all worked on creating the capsule and faced one unique problem. matt: we take turns sitting in the capsule, you know, ask someone, "how does this feel, or how does that feel?" and really work off one another to pick the best visual scenario in order to feel less claustrophobic.

sandra: a 5-mile test track and station will be built in quay valley, california, in 2016. craig: we don't envision enormous technical hurdles, but they may be there. sandra: or may not. either way, everyone's on board with predictions that in less than 10 years' time, hyperloop should be a reality. for "full frame," this is sandra hughes in los angeles. mike: we'll be right back with this week's "full frame" close-up. past decade, san francisco-based artist andres amadador has reinvented hohow artwork is showcased. he creates very temporary geometric art pieces on the beach, and even thou h his

artwtwork washeses away withth e tide often within minutes, i i's memorializ t throu photographs and video. his artwork has found a following in san francisco and on social media around the world, but for this artist, the most importantt aspect of his work is being in the moment as he creates it. andres: i get asked why--why do i do something that's going to wash away so soon? life is not going to last. nothing we will do will last. and so the

question becomes, why do anything? like, what's--what's the enduring value of anything that we do? all that really matters is that we are living our life in joy, in a joyous way, and if--if we can fill our live e as much as possible witith the things that give us energy, that--that we're excited to engage, where we feel that we're--that we're invigorarated and our soul s shs even brighter, then it's like, we ought to be d doing that.t. that's--like, why wououldn't t u do that, even if it's--if it's going to wash away? my name is andres amador, and

i'm an artist. i call the art that i do earthscape painting. i actually have a degree in environmental sciences, and i was in the peace corps doing conservation work in ecuador. i thought t that that would be my field for--from then on out, but when i came back to san francisco as an adult, i realized, umum, just what san francisco has to offer in terms of personal expression, which i never tapped into previously. and i--i delved into the--the realm of creative expression. so that's been the path that i've been on, but while doing that, the influence keeps creeping in of, um--of the world around me, and more the natural world. i derived so

much inspiration from--from nature. in doing this art, i have become much more connnnectd to, um--to the cycles of nature, and then that has continued to move in my life in bigger ways. with the beach art, i have to do it according to the tides, and the tides arare according to the movement of our planet and the moon, and then there's, um--throughout the seasons, the beach changes, and now that i'm doing this at a more full-time level, i'm actually planning out the entire year of the tides, and so now, really, my life is revolving around the tides. so i'm much more connected to, um--to the world around me than i ever have before.

i started off doing ones that were more geometrically orientnted, and those were inspired by, um, the world o of geomomry and--whwhich is a well, um, explored terrain by cultures thrououghout t historyo i was inspired by ancient, um, architecture, and, um, among my--my studies were crop circles, which i would say are the most direct, um, connection to the early art that i did. as the years went byby, my explploratio branched off into areas of natural design, getting inspiration from the world around me.

this is that stylistic thing of, um----it's like jusust thisp edge got chopped, but this edge stays. for the top edge, this is the top edge. that's the side. woman: well, this is--this is the side. i'm going to cut off the very top piece. there's no reason... andres: yeah, take off that one. there is a kinship that i feel with the many traditions around the world that create art where the process is the focus, and when the product is done, they sweep it away. it's meant to be destroyed in some fashion because the end result is not the goal. for many years, i had this anxiety that i wasn't--what was i doing to contribute to the world? i wasn't alleviating hunger, or i wasn't solving

problems of world peace, or i'm not protecting the animals, and i'm--there's a part of me that feels so sensitive to the woword around us that it's almost as though i had to retreat from the empathy that i was feeling with the suffering that occurs in nature and in people. if we don't feel love and joy within ourselves, then we're not going to project that into the world. the art that i did today is going to be washed away, it's not going to last, but through my own experience of happiness, everyone who watched feels

happy. they're going to go out in the day, and they're going to send that out. they've taken pictures, and they're going to post them wherever, and that's going to spread to around the world, to other people, and they're going to experience joy. and the image might inspire something, then a little bit of impact would occur where, i think--i really do feel--that it has this kind of ongoing cumulative quality of just kind of shifting the consciousness. your jacket's kind of like what i did today. woman: i know. andres: very similar, huh? if we can live in a world where we're all radiating, even when we're feeling bad and even when times are tough, if we can be in that place of looking for how to--how to increase our radiance to do the things that have us feeling joyful, that would be amazing. that would--i

feel blessed to be able to--to send that message out. mike: that's it for this week. join the conversation with us on social media. we are cctv america on twitter, facebook, and youtube, and now you can watch h ull frame"e" on our new mobile app, available worldwide on any smartphone for free. get the latest news headlines and connect to us on facebook, twitter, youtube, and weibo. search "cctv america" on your app store to download today. all of our interviews can still also be found online at cctv-america.com, and let us know what you'd like us to take "full frame" next. simply email us at fullframe@cctv-america.com. until then, i'm mike walter in new york city. we'll see you next time. ó ?a?a?a?a#@#@

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