08/16/16 08/16/16 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, ththis is democracy now! mr. trump: in the cold war, we had and not feel logical -- ideological screening. the time is overdue to develop a new screening test for the threats we face today. i call it extreme vetting. amy: extreme vetting as donald trump thousand to expend the war on the islamic, he calls for immigration to be suspended from parts of the world and for new

ideological tests for all immigrants. we will get response from three guests -- linda sarsour, phyllis bennis, and matt taibbi. then we go to rio to look at race and the olympic games as well as the first refugee olympic team. >> they did march in the opening ceremonies together as a team from different nations under the banner of refugees. i kind of like it because it in thehat is majority of united states saying we should keep refugees out. the ioc is allowing them into the olympics, so let's pay attention to that. amy: we will speak with sports writer jesse washington and u.s. gold medalist swimmer anthony ervin. he recently became the oldest ever individual olympics roaming gold medalist. all of that and more coming up.

welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. republican presidential nominee donald trump invoked the cold war as he pledged to wage war against what he described as the ideology of radical islam while speaking in youngstown, ohio during his speech, trump also , monday. vowed to impose a system of vetting, an ideological test for all immigrants. he also said he'd create a commission on radical islam, keep guantanamo bay open, and stop trying people accused of terrorism in civilian courts. he also reversed an earlier threat that the united states might not meet its nato obligations, and sd d monday h e would work with nato allies to defeat islamic state militanants if he wins the white house. former new york city mayor rudolph giuliani introduced trump onstage in youngstown monday, where giuliani sparkeded

outrage when he appeared to forget about the events of 9/11. >> under those eight years before obama came along, we did not have any successful radical islamic terrorist attack in the united states. when clintonaed and obama got into office. amy: that was rudolph giuliani, who was mayor of new york city during the 9/11 attacks. in response, the cover of the "new york daily news" today printed giuliani's words superimposed upon the image of the falling twin towers. meanwhile former secretary of , state hillary clinton, and vice president joe biden held a rally in scranton, pennsylvania, monday. scranton is biden's hometown. it was biden's first campaign appearance on behalf of hillary clinton. during his speech, biden said trump was making thehe united states less safe. >> it is amazing. does he have any idea is outlandish comments have on our

allies, our friends, and the physical safety of our troops? is a ready our country less safe. amy: we'll have more on donald trump's speech after headlines with matt taibbi, phyllis bennis, and linda sarsour. as well as the words of hillary clinton. milwaukee has imposed a 10:00 p.m. citywide curfew for teenagers following this weekend's uprising sparked by the fatal police shooting of a 23-year-old african american man named sylville smith. on sunday, wisconsin governor scott walker also activated the national guard after local residents set fire to police cars and several businesses, including a gas station, saturday night. police say smimith was shot officer following a traffic stop. officer followinga traffic stop. police chief edward flynn says smith had turned toward the officer with a gun in his hand. an autopsy conducted monday shows smith was fatally shot in his chest and arm. milwaukee is considered to be one of the most segregated cities in the country. the death toll is rising from

the unprececedented flooding in southern louisiana. at least seven people have died and more than 10,000 people have been forced to relocate to shelters as evacuations and emergency rescues continue. president obama has declared louisiana a federal disaster zone. the historic flooding has also caused chaos, especially in the hard-hit areas in and around baton rouge. on monday, one firefighter mistakenly shot another firefighter during a rescue mission near baton rouge. the man survived the shooting. the national weather service says flooding is expected to continue. more rain is in the forecast for the region this week. the pentagon has announced it's released 15 prisoners from guantanamo bay, marking the largest single transfer since president obama took office. the 15 men were sent to the uniteded arab ememirates. each had been imprisoned by the united states for about 14 years without trial. there are now 61 prisoners remaining at guantanamo. of them, 20 have been cleared for release.

some have been cleared years, if not more than decade. president obama promised to close the prison at the beginning of his first term in office nearly eight years ago. in yemen, as many as 15 people were killed monday after a u.s.-backed saudi-led airstrike destroyed a hospital supported byby doctors w without borders. at least another 19 people were wounded, including three foreign doctors whwhen the airstrike hit , abs hospital in yemen's northern hajjah province. among the victims were three yemeni d doctors withohout bords staff memembers. mondnday's atattack on the hospl marks at least the fourth time u.s.-backed saudi-led aiairstris have hit a a doctors witithout borders susupported hospitital n yemen duriring the 17-momonth conflict. this is a a local residedent reacting to ththe airstrike. >> w what do they y find at the hospital o other than the sick d wounded and the injured? there is nothing here exceptpt patients and medical staff. doctors without borders and

yemeni doctors. amy: in kashmir, at least five protesteters have been killed after indian security forces opened fire with automatic rifles on demonstrators on monday, which was independence day in india. among the victims was a 16-year-old boy. demonstrators were throwing rocks and defying a curfew. protests have been growing in kashmir since early july, when indian security forces killed an independence leader. at least 64 people have been killed and thousands injured during the month-long protests. turkish state media says at least three civilians and four police officers have been killed in a car bomb attack on a police station in turkey's southeast. authorities say at least 20 more were wounded. no group has claimed responsibility. local authorities have blamed the attack on the kurdistan workers party, known as the pkk. in nigeria, members of the group bring back our girls protested in the capital monday demandinig the government do more to rescue the more than 200 chibok schooll

girls kidnapped by boko haram in april of 2014.4. the protest came one day after boko haram released a video that appears to show about 50 of the kidnapped girls. in the video, mililitants demand the release of imprisoned fighters in exchange for the girlrls. the video alsoso appears to show the bodies of several girls whom militants say y were killed by nigerian airstrikes. in new york city, , heath -- health officials say the number of people who have been diagnosed with 9/11-linked cancers has tripled. nearly 5500 first responders and local residenents have now been diagnosed wiwith cancers linkedo the toxic smokoke and dust of 9/11. that is up from fewer than 2000 cancer victims in 2014. health officials have called the increase alarming. also in new york, hundreds gathered monday for the funeral of imam maulama akonjee and his assistant thara uddin, who were shot in the back of their heads

while walking home from prayer in broad daylight on saturday. on monday, suspected shooter oscar morel was charged with two counts of second-degree murder. authorities s say it is nonot yt clear whether the imam and his assistant were targeted as a result of their faith. many in the queens community of ozone park say they think th islamophobic rhetoric promoted by donald trump may have contributed to their deaths. new york city mayor bill de blasio appeared to reference trump's rhetoric at monday's funeral. >> and we know there are voices all over this country who are spewing hate, trying to create division, trying to turn one american against another. i look around at all of my brothers and sisters here and i see proud americans. i see proud new yorkers.

and i will never let us be torn apart, and we will not let each other be torn apart. amy: in north carolina, officials are petitioning the u.s. supreme court to reinstate parts of north carolina's strict voter id laws, which were blocked last month after a court ruled the measures discriminated against african americans and targeted them "with almost surgical precisision." last month's ruling meansns up o 5% of the state's registered voters targeted by the law can now vote in the general election. but state officials are asking the supreme court to reverse this decision. it would once again make it harder for people to vote in november. and here in manhattan, activists with the group gays against guns rallied outsidide the new york city headquarters of the investment management company blackrock to protest its investment in gun manufacturers. as of 2015, blackrock was one of the top three shareholders of the gun manufacturers smith & wesson and sturm ruger. blackrock has also invested heavily in major ammunitions companies.

during the protest, 12 activists staged a die-in to represent the people killed in the 2012 aurora, colorado, movie theater massacre. the shooooter, james holmes,s, d used a smith & wesson-manufactured semiautomatic rifle. this is organizer tim murphy. >> we are protesting blackrock stday because there is a large manufacturing company. more and more stocks and guns because they know the death business is good business for them. there are literally profiting off the backs of deaead people. amy:y: and those are some of the headlines. this democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. onon monday, republicacan presesidential nominee donald trump invoked the cold war as he pledged to wage war against what he described as the ideology of radical islam. during a speech in youngstown, ohio, trump vowed to instititute extreme vetting of visa applicants. mr. . trump: in the cold war, we

had an ideological screening test. the time is overdue to develop a new screening test for the threats we face today. i call it extreme vetting. i call it extreme, extreme vetting. our country has enough problems. we don't need more. and these are problems like we have never had before. [applause] mr. trump: in addition to screening out all members of the sympathizers of terrorist groups, we must also screen out any of hostile attitudes toward our country or its principals or who believe that sharia law should supplant american law.

those who do not believe in our constitutution or who support bigotry and hatred will not be admitted for immigration into our country. [applause] mr. trump: only those who we expect to flourish in our country and to embrace a tolerant american society should be issued the says. -- visas. to put these new procedures in place, we will have to temporarily suspend immigration om some of the most dangerous and volatile regions of the world, that have a history of exporting terrorism. amy: donald trump also said he would create a commission on radical islam, keep guantanamo open and stop trying terrorists , in civilian courts. he had initially called for a temporary ban on all muslim immigration before shifting to a ban on those from countries with a history of terrorism.

while his campaign has declined to offer specifics on which countries would qualify, trump said monday that his state department and department of homemeland security would decide which regions would qualify based on whether adequate screenings could take place. for more we are joined by three guests. matt taibbi, award-winning journalist with "rolling stone" magazine. he's been closely following the trump campaign. his most recent piece is headlined, "the summer of the shill." phyllis bennis is a fellow at the institute for policy studies. she's written several books, including most recently, "understanding isis and the new global war on terror." and linda sarsour is the director of the first muslim online organizing platform, mpower change, and co-founder of the muslim democratic club of new york. we welcome you all to democracy now! linda,a, let's begin with yoyou. your response to donald trump's proposal for extreme vetting, as he calls it? >> it is a continuation of his

ludicrous policy proposals. i'm a person who has been working with refugees in new york city foror 15 years. he has no idea the vetting process that immigrants go through before they come to the united states. he is taking us back to the 1950's, this idea of creating a committee on radical islam. who is going to set the standards for that -- for what that looks like gecko when he talks about testing immigrants around only those that will flourish, are those who believe in american dies, who is going to say what those values are? donald trump? the fact that rudy giuliani was anywhere near this, the fact that rudy giuliani can be the next head of the department of homeland security scares me more than donald trump. buts. shocked or surprised, the fact we have gotten to this point is allowing a man of this caliber to be running for the highest office of this land is outrageous. amy: matt taibbi? >> i think the speech was crazy,

as a lot of trump's speeches are. clearly, he has backed off slightly from the let's ban all muslims idea that he unleashed last year and just rebranding it as extreme vetting, probably because he realizes the idea and in all muslims is unconstitutional because it would violate the establishment clause in the constitution. this idea that he thinks that returning to the mccarthy era and having an ideologicical test and rooting out un-american activities -- amy: let's talk about that, in ideological test. >> he is openly invoking the cold war era as the mccarthyism was a good idea. i think most americans would look back at that period in our history with shame and regret. trump seems to think, probably some of his voters thinink, that it is something we should go back to. it is remarkable that he thinks this would be a winning political idea in an electoral

season. amy: phyllis bennis, your response and washington, d.c.? >> i think the point about the link with the e mccarthy periods crucial. what he is calling for his return of the house un-american activitieses committee that so infamously was involved in destroying so mamany people's lives with false allegations of fellow travelers were members of the communist party, with exactly this kind of extreme vetting that kept out immigrants, but also went after residents and citizens in this country. so this notion of establishing what he called a commission on radical islam -- when i saw those words i thought, oh, my ,od, this is a return to huac which famously continued until the very end when it was finally brought down by shame when one of the officials turned to one of the prosecutors and said, have you no shame, sir? it was this moment of ending

this extraordinary repressive example of what that period was. here he is essentially equating the global war on terror for which he really has very much the same kinds of policies that are being imposed now, with a few differences -- keeping -- asserting keeping guantanamo bay prison open instead of hoping to close it, even though it remains open. there is not a lot of difference in the actual policies, but what donald trump's speech try to do was assert that this question of terrorism, which is something that is affecting a wide range of regions around the world -- certainly -- but has not come close to the question of the risks of world war ii. when he talked about comparing it to the war against fascism, , this is aiism

ludicrous comparison. and yet he is talking about establishing the same kind of response, meaning, this ideological test, this notion of extreme vetting, it is as if he is asserting the value of extremism is the reason people should support his candidacy because he is an extremist. amy: is interesting the words he used are sometimes words that are leveled againstst him. let's go back to a a clip of wht he said. mr. trump: those who do not believe in our constitution or who support bigotry and hatred will not be admitted for immigration into our country. amy: linda sarsour? >> that was literally like a comedy. i thought it was "saturday night live." he is the first person i would find to deport. i would wave goodbye. he is running a campaign on the very things he saying he is going to fight against.

he is comparing what he wants to do to the taking down fascism. he is a fascist. is not donaldart trump, it is the people that come to his rallies and cheer him on. the people that think his ideas are good ideas. islamre was a radical committee, we e would be the fit targets, decided that anyone that criticizes u.s. government, considered unpatriotic, we would be the first people to be targeted. he is creating an environment of law in order to stop he was to keep everyone in line. if you don't agree with donald trump and his supporters, you're not welcome. that is a big portion of the american people. i'm just hoping he is not the next president of the united states. amy: we're going to go to break and come back to this discussion and expanded to what he says and the recent reports on russia to talk about iraq, iran. we're talking with linda sarsour , matt taibbi, and phyllis bennis.

linda is the director of the first muslim online organizing change. mpower matt taibbi is with rolling stone magazine. phyllis bennis is a fellow at the institute for policy studies. back in a moment. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. on monday, republican presidential nominee donald trump invoked the cold war as he pledged to wage war against what he described as the ideology of radical islam. during his speech in youngstown, ohio, he also reversed his speech saying he would work closely with the alliance to defeat isis. trump the we would work closely with nato on this new mission. i had previously said that nato was obsolete because it failed to deal adequately with terrorism. since my comments, they have changed their policy and now have a new division focused on terror threats.

very good. very, very good. i also believe that we could find common ground with russia in a fight against isis post of amy: that is donald trump in youngstown. phyllis bennis, why don't you take a shot at this. >> first of all, his early critique of nato was not about his lack of focus on terrorism, it was about the fact in his view, nato countries do not pan of money to nato and therefore the u.s. is caring too much of the burden. so he is now china claim credit up ane fact nato took anti-terrorism section after the attacks in france in brussels. that is what the response was. it was. because donald trump made a comment. the other side, you know, certainly, i think it is always better to be talking about diplomacy, to be talking about negotiations with all other countries -- including russia -- rather than basing the relationship with russia on

threats, on new sanctions, etc.. i do think the problem here is we did not hear any actual plan for diplomacy. there was no reference to the existing diplomacy that has supposed to be underway between the united states and russia regarding the war in syria. that diplomacy has been very limited to what can we bomb together? there has not been a serious diplomatic move. if donald trump had been serious a differentding kind of relationship with russia, he would've spoken about a new kind of diplomacy based on finding diplomatic rather than military solutions when we know that these military solutions have failed. he has no acknowledgment that the military solutions that he is talking about simply escalating, that they have failed and they will continue to fail. so this notion of a new position on nato because i spoke about it, simply not based on either the history of what he actually said in the past or the

potential of what there is going to have to be if there's going to be an easing of the tensions between russia and the west, whether over ukraine, whether new natotioning of forces surrounding russia -- which is what is going on right now. to of those realities have be taken up in a diplomatic way, but he is not talking about serious diplomacy. amy: speaking monday in scranton, pennsylvania, vice president joe biden, who is together with hillary clinton, said donald trump would make america less safe. mr. trump: this guys shame has this guys shame has no limits. he is gone so far to ask putin and russia to commit cyber attacks against america. even if he is joking, which he is not, even if he is joking, what an outrageous thing to say. not, folks, these are

isolated examples. he has even showered raise on saddam hussein, one of the vilest dictators of the 20th century, a man who repeatedly back terror attacks against israel because he was supposedly -- he was a killer of terrorist s. he would have loved stalin. president joevice in scranton,g pennsylvania, together with hillary clinton. matt taibbi, you lived in moscow for 10 years, five of those years you are editor of a newspaper called "the exile." talk about russia. hillary clinton's views on russia, donald trump, even take it to all manafort, who "the new york times" has been running pieces exposing ties to the russian-fridley former head of

ukraine. story came out yesterday in "the new york times" that had a couple of scoops in it, one sort of links trump's campaign manager paul manafort to pro-kremlin forces who supported the regime and ukraine. there were details about dealings that manafort had with the figure who is sort of one of the earliest russian oligarchs, a much feared figure during the 191990's and d throughout the 2000's. these us stories are interesting. it was interesting that trump chose to keep his remarks about working with russia in his speech yesterday after the pseudo-bombshell report in "the ew york times." i think a different campaign might hahave edited d those rems the spopotlighte away from russia for a day or two. but he has been out in the open and talking about how he was to continue working with russia.

incidentally, the idea of now let's work with nato and let's work with russia at the same time, you know, he neglects to point out there are some contradiction there. obviously, the russians have -- it is of tremendous domestic issue and russia, the expansion of nato. that would somehow have to be smoothed over diplomatically in order for us to work together collectively against isis. that issue would have to be dealt with before we could effectively work with vladimir putin. amy: just to be clear "dear new yorkxpose -- the " times" expose showed nearly $13 million of cash payments that wewere slated to go to paul manafort, the campaign manager for donald trump, not know whether he actually received them, but he's been years from you a college.th has an office in kiev. >> he has worked with all sorts

of unsavory characters. he has made a lot of money. he is never denied that. they did find this ledger after ovec step down but he denied he ever received this money. as of now, all they have is the ledger showing this payment was made. we don't know yet where that will lead. amy: i want to turn to hillary clinton who spoke alongside biden in scranton, pennsylvania, just as donald trump was giving his major foreign-policy address in youngstown. clinton: he talked about letting syria become a free zone for isis. a major country in the middle east that could launch attacks against us and others. he has talked about sending ground troops, american ground is off theell, that

table as far as i am concerned. [cheers] mrs. clinton: so we will wait and see what he says today. you know, sometimes he says he won't tell anyone what he will do because he wants to keep his plan "secret." turns out the secret is, he has no plan. amy: that is hillary clinton. phyllis bennis, your response? challenge a serious when we are talking about the strategy for these wars. the notion that hillary clinton is saying, that is off the table . i would like to know if she is opposed to the thousands of u.s. troops that are now officially, openly in iraq?q? the hundreds that are officially openly in syria? she has not said whether she would call them back, whether she would simply not escalate. so her own position here is very unclear.

one of the things that trump had said about iraq, which was quite extraordinary, was this notion nation he was against building -- he said what we should have done in iraq was keep control of the oil because that would have come on the one hand, kept the money from the oil out of the hands of isis. and on the other hand, it would mean that we would of course have soldiers on the ground to protect that oil. so he was calling for a permanent deployment of troops, a permanent occupation of iraq. hillary clinton's position is unclear. what would she do in iraq? the problem is, the critique she is making is fine, but she has no answer for it herself. she has called for an escalation in syria for the creation of a no-fly zone in syria. no one is asking her whether she believes that her former colleague in the obama, then secretary defense robert gates

who said he was against a no-fly zone in libya because the first act of a no-fly zone is an act of war, to take out the anti-aircraft system. libya hardly had an antiaircraft system. firsthas a very developed sovietet installed and russians applied into aircraft. is she saying it is ok to go to war against russia? no one is pressing her on that question. no one asked her that question after her own speech. so her position of saying how outrageous the positions of donald trump is accurate in its own right, but does not take into account the uncertainty of her own position. whether she would support more ground troops, whether she would support a so-called no-fly zone that would immediately be extended to a regime change action, as it was in libya. these are all uncertainties that we still have no answers to.

amy: i want to turn to dononald trump talking about iran. mr. trump: iran, the world's largest state-sponsored of terrorism, is now flush with $150 billion in cash released by the united states, plus, if you remember from two weeks ago, another $400 million in actual cacash that was obviously used r ransom. worst of all, the nuclear deal with iran, the number one state sponsor of radical islamic terrorism, on a path to nuclear weapons. amy: phyllis bennis, your response? >> first of all, where to start and that. the notion that iran is a leading state sponsor of what he calls radical islamic -- islamist terror, by which he means primarily isis and al qaeda, who are sworn enemies of iran. they have both theological,

sectarian, as well as national fight and iran is one of the greatest enemies of both isis and al qaeda. you could start there with what is wrong with this. the notion that the koran deal to aut their ran on a path nuclear weapon, not even the critics of the deal claim that. the critics say he did not go far enough, did not impose an of sanctions, something like that. that was sort of the hillary clinton critique and the critique of others, but none of them s said this deal puts miraa on apap toward a nuclear weapons. all 16 u.s. intelligence agencies have consistently agreed, and they don't agree on a lot, but they have consistently agreed iran that not only has not made a nuclear weapon, is not trying to make a nuclear weapon, but that it has not even reached the decision that it wanted to make a nuclear weapon. -- simply crated up whole cloth.h. bingo hundreds gathered in new york on monday for the funeral of imam maulama akonjee and his

assistant thara uddin who were shot in the back of their heads while walking home from prayer in daylight on sunday. on monday, suspected shooter oscar morel was charged. authorities say it is not clear whether the attacks were targeted as a result of their faith. this is new york city mayor will deblasio who spoke at the funeral monday. >> and we know there are voices all over this country who are spewing hate, trying to create division, trying to turn one american against another. i look around at all of my brothers and sisters here, i see proud americans. i see proud new yorkers. and i will never let us be torn apart, and we will not let each other be torn apart. amy: that was new york city mayor to blasio. linda sarsour, your final comment? >> outrageous and traumatic experience.

we may never know the motives because the victims are dead and cannot speak about what happened, but it is about one this community -- climate the muslim community is afraid. we should not be targets of murder in our streets. amy: we will continue this discussion. linda sarsour , thank you for being with us, head ofmpower change. matt taibbi, we will link to your pieces. of thellis bennis institute for policy studies. we will be back in a moment. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. rio, the side o of the summer olympic games for part two of our conversation with sports writeter jesse washington of the undefeated and anthony ervin we just begin the oldest ever individual olympic swimming gold medalist. i began by asking jesse washington about jamaican sprinter usainin bolt who made history by becoming the first olympian to win the 100 meter gold medal three times in a row. obvious he is incredible and nobody can stay in front of this guy. his a story in an of itself is well documented. his greatness. someone asked him, you are already a legend, what comes after legendary cap he said, like the sound of the word "immortal." what he has d done is pretty

great. i am intrigued by justin gatlin. doping has been prominent -- amy: explain who justin gatlin is, who came in second to usain bolt. >> justin gatlin is the second fastest man on the planet and you would think that people would be interested in seeing him run, however, when he entered the stadium and his name was announced, a cascade of boos rained down on him in olympic stadium. i am sure where that goes with the olympic ideal and the olympic charter, but it was next for neri moment. no one could remember such an accomplisheded athlete getting booed at the beginning of a gold medal sprint. it m must have been unbelievably hard for justin gatlin, who already had only a tiny chance to beat usain bolt, to run with that type of feeling i can't imagine how that would be. as a competitor, would it make it harder for you to win? >> i think would be impossible

to do well at all. amy: it really affects you that much? jesse washington, explain why this sprinter justin gatlin was booed on sunday night. >> two years ago, he tested positive for testosterone and was banned from the spsport for four y years. apparently, on the one hand, yes, he was guilty. on the second hand, should he be castigated for life? should he wear a scarlet b on his four head for the rest of his life? these are questions we have to wrestle with a sports fans and human beings. i find it somewhat to the way in the u.s. if you're convicted of a felony in some places, you cacaot vote fofor the rest of yr life. i, myself, summit who us -- fallen in my career them in my life who has made mistakes, if i'm constantly kept from overcoming those, what kind of people are we?

do we offer a chance for redemption for anyone? or as an athlete, if you cheat, if you make a mistake and do the vast majority of your sport is doing, are we going to kick you to the curb for life? these are some of the things i saw going on. i think the moment overwhelmlmed justin gatlin. he ran slower in this olympic final then he ran six weeks ago at the trials. he at a small chance to beat bolt, but i think when theboos came down on him, that ended any chance of a miracle finish. it was remarkable to see. jesse justrvin, asked you about the crowd, if you can hear them in the midst of this. i am wondering about that, the community around when you are doing your race, but also usain bolt thinking of the word immortal. you take a very different approach. >> talk first about the audience , i mean, i know who my people were out there, who they were in the crowd. i did not need to specifically hear them to know they are there

and cheering. i had a brazilian in my heat. bruno. he was ranked number one in the world all year. they were going for him. i was feeling that energy. it is positive energy, no matter what. the e audience wants to see a great race. that certainly motivates you, whether it is coming for you or for someone you are with. if you are with them in a field, then that is for you, too. on the flipside, whenever a russian came out to compete, they got booed. i felt for them. i know if you russians. i trained with them. they are good people. like, i want to give them the benefit of the doubt that they were not -- that they weren't consciously doping, that if the governing body was doing something, it was behind their knowledge. so to have them -- they struggled to even get to the

olympics, and then to have to walk out and get booed, that is hard. i had compassion for them in that. i have not even have the opportunity to talk to ben yet, how they felt about it. amy: jesse washington, that issue of, what, one third of the russian team that came to rio was disqualified? and they learned it while they were in rio, right? >> i'm having a hard time keeping track of the russians in and the russians out. there was a woman cleared to compete i think in the long jump from russia, and the track, edition had already started. i can't imagine what it would be like to be an athlete and show up, to travel across the world to a race for an event you might not even get to be i in? it seems like this should have been settled a long time ago. i'm not up on the ins and outs of doping and the legalities and the arguments and things like that. i think that this is a world where people deserve second chances, whether it is in this

olympics or the next one. i do not believe in banning an athlete for life forever for mistake that they or their coach or the government may have made. it is sort of a mess here in rio around all of this doping stuff. amy: i want to go to olympic gold medalist for judo. >> i want to show those who criticizeded manley did and saii was an embarrassment to my family, that a monkey belongs in ththe cage and notot the only b. now the monkey was supposed to be in a cage in london is out of the cage and is an olympic champion. amy: jesse, can you talk about the significicance of her win? >> race in brazil is intereststing. it is nonot the same dynamic we have in the states. oneier, tony mentioned the drought rule. if anywhere in your ancestry going back to west africa there is a black person in the united states, then you're black. a result, it is different. brazil has a complicated

situation that is more based on class than race. a couple of pieces of context. brazil was the last place in this in a sphere to outlaw slavery. and once they did outlaw slavery, half of the population was black, so they said, we need to bring in a lolot of europeans right now to literally lighten of the country. fast-forward to today. brazil likes to say race does not matter. they never had jim crow, segregation, places were you could not go because you are black. however, of the four people here, if you live and a poor area called a favela, there are white people, black people, brown people in the middle, all of them are basically the "n" words of brazil because they are poor. that is the basic c dynamic. onone more thing on top of that, which gives to our judo here. there is a privilege associatetd in brazil with lighter skin. people want to marry people who are lighter than them so their

children will have more opportunities. if there is a toilet to be cleaned or a floor to be scrubbed, it is more likely that a darker skinned person is doing it here in brazil. there are very few dark skinned people at the upper echelon of business and government. so all of these dynamics came out with this tremendous athlete, and she is being targeted just for the color of her skin. even in a country like brazil, which are presently has no race. to me, that says you can try to deny it and try to say we're all colorblind -- which is something that some people say in the u.s. as well -- but at the end of the day, let's reckon with the privilege that goes along with having white skin. and once we can talk about it, then maybe we can lemonade it. amy: let me go back to silva, the olympic gold medalist. >> since the first time i stepped up on a was used to jumping and other people's houses.

people taking my flip-flops was a reason to get into a fight. i think my channel -- coach wanted to channel this into a sport. in judo, we need this kind of will. we haveup in a favela, to have that determination. we have to win every thing by merit. we donon't get ananything for f. in that is olympic gold medalist for judo silva. jesse, if you could talk about going into the favelas yourself. you and tony arnot just ananywhere ithe world and it is just the olympics. you are in a place, you're in a brazil, and there have been mass protest against the olympics. the president to the rousseff was thrown out of office and now she is going to go through an impeachment process. many are calling it a coup. why did you decide to go into the favelas and what did people say there? >> i thought it was important to

get out of the olympic double. it is easy to look around at the multimillion dollar venues and a nice air-conditioned buses they have for us to ride around in, and forget about the rest of the country. so i was fortunate enough to have some folks who knew some folks in the largest favela in brazil. the people i met there had a pride and sense of community and really a love for their favela that is similar to what you see in the u.s. importunities. hey, we may be poor, but we are making a good life for ourselves. we take care of each other. we are going to survive no matter what happens. we are going to make it. a lot of the people there said, wewell, violence with the drug dedealers makes it toughgh. gun shootouts of and raids with the police and the drug dealers, and that

causes a lot of violence and a lot of deaths. there was a security officer who made a wrong turn into a favela during the olympics and was killed. but at the same time, they d do say there is a stereotype about favelas. when i was there, there were these warnings, oh, don't walk in there, you won't come out with your wallet or your phone. it was a normal committed to full of normal people doing normal things. they have stores. they shop. another interesting thing, they body board. i was able to meet a whole school of young people that is taught how to do this sport -- which is a pro sport. they have a beautiful beach at the bottom of the largest favelas in brazil. this juxtaposition of the perception and the reality -- it is something i keep coming back to in our discussions today. a lot of times the media likes to create a narrative without really probing beneath the surface. i think it is important to probe the need to service everywhere, including the favelas of brazil. amy: the me go back to the firsts. jesse washington to what you

know about the refugee team? >> great story from people of war-torn nations who would never have made it to the olympics, but for the ioc doing something right for a change, and allowing them to compete under a unified banner, i had a chance to talk briefly with one or two of them was that they are not competitive in their events. but that is not the point. it is a victory even for them to compete. i was moved just by their perseverance and her --ermination to get here their determination to get here. there are millions of refugees all over the world. i hope we can get some of the attention and d a light to those who are not athletes as well. amy: just to explain what it i , what thehe ioc had to do witith this, the international olympic committee? >> they did margin the opening ceremony's together as a team from different nations under the banner of refugees. i kind of like it because it

flips what is majoritive in the u.s. saying we should keep refugees out from places where a bomb could hit your house in the middle of a night while you're sleeping and your tilton are sleeping, but we will not allow them into the u.s.s. the ioc is allowing them into the olympics, so let's pay some attention to that. amy: tony ervin, you're not afraid to speak out politically or in anyway. maybe it is the wisdom of your years. feelot a lot of olympians the same way. can you talk about this and also your reverence for the f fact tt you studied mohammed ali? >> i am definitely afraid to speak out. i do so fearfully of the repercussions that come together with it. don't think i'm not afraid when i do it. amy: what are the repercussions? you of, a mob comes at people you don't even know.

that is the fear, that people come for you for things that they don't understand. not as you do, at least. ali, youu know, he is the patron saint of the olympics. him in theng about civil rights era the day of my race. i was trying to keep calm and find some peace. i was sitting there reading about it. i don't get too much into it because his struggles are well documented and his wife -- life is well-documented and anyone can go and read it, but that 1996 of him in alanna in with the olympic torch and lighting that flame, you know, may that flame never go out. amy: tony, his tokyo next fofor yoyou? be there.y want to

tokyo is one of my favorite cities in the world. inther i am competing there a suit, cap and goggles, or wearing a suit and tie in some other role, i definitely want to be there. amy: what does it mean to you to be the oldest gold medalist in swimming? swimmersns the generally give up the sport and retire kind of early for a variety of reasons. financial. the pay is not that lucrative unless you are michael phelps. but, you know, pro athletes keep going into the 30's in all sports. you see it in baseball, vegetable, football. they can keep going. times anday resist at recovery is a little harder. i am so much wiser with my choices price of the preservation of what i do becomes easier to handle. the cliche of the ages just a number, it is a desire to do it or not. i'm still relevant as a competitor for now.

but swimming is one of those things that you can keep doing forever. even if i am not competitive inn the relative sense, ststill will be storming. amy:y: jesse, the undefeated raa column by michael jordan who spoke out for the first time publicly about being a black man in response to the issue of police brutality and black lives matter. can you talk about the significance of this? >> it was a pretty deep significance because jordan is probably the most famous athlete on the planet, and he is always shied away from speaking out in favor of black issues, black problems. there is a quote attributed to him probably incorrectly that says, when he was asked to support a black senate candidate who is running against a rather borderline racist white guy in north carolina who shall remain unnamed, jesse helms, and jordan

is alleged to have said republicans buy secrets, too. this quote has followed him throughout his career. while we admire him for his athletic the congressman's and the greatest of all time when it comes to baskerville, he was not the blackest of all times when it came to social issues. fast four to 2014, the undefeated is about raised -- race and force. our chief happen to be in a conversation with one of jordan's representatives and he said, how is michael feeling about all of this stuff going on in the news? philandoright after castile and alton have been killed and after the police officers in dallas and baton rouge had been killed. our nation was really convulsed in this moment and jordan felt it was time to say something. our editor in chief, being the newsman that he is, was able to

work with jordan to bring his statement to the e world, whihii thought was pretty positive because it acknowledged the need for understanding on both sides. in jordan decided to donate $1 million to the naacp legal defefee fund and to an organization for police officers to increasee ties wiwith the community. it was a majoror momoment in athletes and social activism. this younger generation of , they''relebron, kobe more comfortable with the activism. they have more of a voice. their brands are more powerful. they sell sneakers regardless. jordan innocence had to catch up with them. -- in a sense had to catch up with them. jordan made up some of the groundnd in the social legacy tt have young ballers established. amy: tony, what this meant for you as an african-amamerican athlete? michael jordan saying as a proud american and black man, i've been deeply troubled by the

death of african-americans by the hand of one person, angered by the cowardly and hatefuful targeting ofof the killing of police officers. >> i mean, he is right. it is horrible. morale of -- the being black in america has got to be terrifying if you see those lights coming at you because you don't know what is going to happen. you want someone who is just trying to do their job and is a good person, but what they don't want is someone who is just going to take your life. amy: have you ever experienced anything -- >> i don't know how we move past it. amy: have you ever experienced anything like it? >> no. no, i haven't. i haven't had to deal with that. amy: jesse, you? >> i have been stopped by the police a few times in areas gray

and not so gray. i waswhen i was the young man. i've had to deal with it a little bit. the interesting thing was both tony and myself, we both have moms who are white jewish women from new york city. i just by the genetic dice roll of the universe, i look like i do and tony looks like he does. you can have different experiences, d different expectationsns, differerent burs placed upon or removed from you. it is a very interesting dynamic that -- it is still a big deal. i tweeted this week that i was only black journalist in a press conference for the only black woman to win a individual gold medal in swimming at the olympics. the response to that was overwhelming and many, many people said, what are you talking about? what are you pointing this out? what does this matter?

there is still a deep resistance to dealing with the kind of issues that tony has had to face since he got in the pool and won idals in 2000's and that dealt with as the young man only cover in the undefeated. hopefully, we can start t to wrestle with some of these things even when the president of the united ways is s not a black man. >> if i get several quick about obama, a lot of people don't just say he is the first black president. biracial the first president. obama and myself both have white mothers. what people field understand is that you don't get to decide if you're black or not. society looks at you and decides if you are black. obama is going to stay black until the end. so if you want to take that away from him, that is -- think about what you're trying to do to rob summit of the identity that not only have they chosen for themselves, but america put on them. we have a long way to go to wrestle with some of these things and it might take three or four more black presidents, a buddhist and a muslim president, woman, in a hijab, to solve this

problem. amy: jesse washington of the undefeated and anthony ervin, the oldest to win a gold medal8ú

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