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video emerges of donald trump bragging about sexually assaulting women, , trump will face off againinst hillary clinn in their second of three presidential debates b before nt month's election. clinton: man -- ms. this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs, and someone who has said pregnancy is an employers, a to man who said women don't deserve equal pay y less they do as gooa job as men. one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. contests,eauty supporting them and hanging around them. he called this woman ms. piggy, then he called herer this housekeeping. amy: that was the first presidential debate. today, in the second, we will

expand tonight's debate by giving dr. jill stein, presidential candidate of the green party, a chance to respond in real time to the same questions put to donald trump and hillary clinton. but, before that, we will host a roundtable leading up to the debate. all that and more, coming up. ♪ welcome to democracy now! this is war, peace, and the presidency. in an hour, donald trump and hillary clinton take the stage in st. louis for the second of three debates before next month's election. the debate is occurring days after they uncovered a shocking 2005 of trump talking

on an open microphone about groping women. in the tape, he is heard saying, "when you are a star, you can do anything. grab them by the --, you can do anything. we will bring you the debate and expand the debate by giving dr. jill stein a chance to respond to the same questions posed to the major party candidates. libertarian party presidential candidate gary johnson were excluded from the debate under stringent rules set by the committee -- the commission on presidential debates. stein and both johnson to join us on the program. only stein took us up on the offer. amy: first, we will host a roundtable discussion looking at the state of the race as scores of congress members, senators, and republican leaders are now calling for trump to step down.

but, before we introduce our guest, we are going to play the full, unedited, 2005 tape of donald trump that has shaken up the presidential race. this video is on air footage ofm nbc's access hollywood trump and tv host billy bush speaking on a bus before trump 2005, donaldhe soap opera of

trump appeared on "the howard stern show" and was asked if he ever had sex with a ms. universe contestant. howard: one of them comes up to you and says, mr. trump, you are a powerful man, i want to sleep with you. you are not the type who would say no. mr. trump: i don't want to hurt their feelings. ascouldn't that be construed conflict -- mr. trump: it could be a conflict of interest but it is the kind of thing you worry about later. howard: some of these foreign girls, mr. trump, in my country -- mr. trump: as the owner of the pageant, it is your obligation to do that, you could say. i will go backstage before a show and everyone is getting

dressed and ready. no men are anywhere and i am allowed to go in because i am the owner of the pageant and therefore i am inspepecting it. they are standing there with no clothes, is everyone ok? you see these incredible looking women so i sort of get away with things like that. amy: that is donald trump in 2005. soraya: again, i think this is well documented. he has an induststry baseded ons treatment of women. again, i come back to this idea of what is the source of this outrage. there really is literally nothing new. some of it comomes back to this .dea of who do we trust we have a lot of men expressing outrage, conservative then expressing outrage. when they have been saying these things for a very long time. even if they haven't been saying

them out loud, they have been experiencing them. i think a a lot of it has to don a somewhat ironic way with what they might call identity politics. donald trump is exhibiting the ugliest, crassest, most predatory version -- or flip side, rather -- of benevolent sexism, of the paternalism that drives the bargain that many men who are conservative leaders have made. that bargain is more or less, we will protect you women and in exchange for that, we get power. if that protection is predatory, c crupt, then what dodoes that say about ththe legitimacy of the power?r? i don't think we can really overstate that. i ththink a lot of thehese resps have to do with a sense of shame babased on this associationon nw with donald trump and what the risk is to that sense of power.

again, he has been saying these things and doingng these thihin. again, i think that this moment in time is almost a lastgasp of panic. what are they supposed to do with this candidate? byt they a are doing now bringing women who have accused bill clinton into the room, which he has done in a press conferencece prior to this deba, is all on this idea that women the -- that women belong in a different realm, , that they compete amamong themselves in a world on their own and that he, asa man, cannot compete equals against a woman. he is not running against bill clinton but he can't seem to find a way in his worldview to do that in a palatable way. nermeen: the release of the video donald trump discussing groping women has raised new questions of the -- of trump's persecution of the central park

five, a group of teens wrongly accused of raping a female jogger in central park. that time, racially coded terms were used to describe them. donald trump took out full-page newspapers calling for the reinstatement of the death penalty so they could be executed. the sentences were vacated and 2002 when the real rapist came forward and confessed. they had already served jail time. in 2014, a federal judge approved a $41 million settlement for the group, with each of the five receiving money for each year they were imimprisoned. amy: we have a clip right now -- is it raymond santana, one of the central park five. >> i tried to get my life back together and putut one foot t in front of the other.

i didn't realize the social death that we were given. amy: i want to read from the washington post. this past week, when confronted again with just how wrong he was about the central part five, taking out these full-page ads calling for them to get the death penalty, trump nonot only refused to acknowledge widely reported well-known facts, he did not simply refused to apologize, he described the man as guilty. again,n, i am reading from the "washington post." he demonstrated once again that he is a master of the dark art of using long stated racial fears and anxiety to achieve his long stated goals. can you talk about this coming at the samame time, like a day before the video was released? kimberle crenshaw -- kimberle:

it is abundantly clear that this is a moment at which rape culture is being explored, and for once at the center of the conversation. this is not just a product of rape culture, it is a racist rape culture. number one, it is abundantly clear that no african-american candidate would have been viable if he had had the track record that donald trump had, if he had said he owned women in a beauty pageant, if he had talked about his anatomy, if he had talked about the attractiveness of his daughter or having sex with his wives. he would not have been palatable. these are not just rantings of a sexist or a chauvinist or an elitist playboy. this has whiteness at the core. you add to that this story from last week which basically

haven't gotten the attention it deserves. effectively, five young men of color might well have been executed for something that they didn't do it donald trump had had his way. rather than seeing this as a moment to reflect, along the lines that he said in his apology, he has grown, learned, seeing new things -- rather than walking that back, he doubles down on the idea that these perhapsn should have confronted the death penalty, even after the criminal justice system, as it rarely does, acknowledges that it was an illegitimate conviction. it is the tried and true idea that we have seen many, many times before. nine young man who themselves faced possible death by an

illegitimate prosecution all the way to today. the idea being that, don't look what i do, my sexual predatory behavior is for me to do. but, for men of color across history, they are the ones that carry the burden of the idea of being the rapist. it is about rape culture. the last thing that we cannot forget is that women and girls of color who are sexually abused never come into d donald trump's framework of those he wants to defend. the very week that the central park jogger was raped, 28 other women were raped, most of them women of color. one was thrown down an elevator shaft. the resources and attention that he could have directed to making women save ends up being an expression of bloodlust. that is part of our history that many of us had thought we had gotten away from until donald

trump ran for president. amy: i want to thank you very much for being with us, kimberle crenshaw professor of law at ucla and columbia university founder of the african-american policy forum. i also want to thank soraya chemaly, the journalist who covers the intersection of gender and politics, speaking to us from washington dc. in this hour, we will be going around the country, talking about everything from the donald wikileaks' release of documents around hillary clinton. we will be speaking with lee fong, who is with the intercept. we will also be talking about what is happening globally because who is presidedent of ts country affects what happened around the world, particularly right now, the middle east. nermeen: i would like to ask you

, you are aalidi professor at columbia university, chair of arab studies, what are some concerns you have about donald trump if if were to become present -- he were to become president when it comes to iraq, isis? rashid: i have concerns about both candidates. trump is almost not a real candidate -- a real person. he is a media creation. cbs called him something in a circus. by the way, it was the corporate media that created trump, that created this. good for america, but it is good for cbs. this is the head of cbs. not even a network his show is on. we have infotainment taking over, celebrity entertainment taking over. terrifying to think of him

being president. it is very uncomfortable to think of hillary being clinton as -- in terms of global issues because she is an interventionist. she pushed the artist for intervention in libya and we have seen how poorly that has .urned up trump --d the sheehan that we would end up in a ground war and direct competition with russia. i'm concerned about the iran deal being reversed by either of these two. surpriset may have many to wake up on friday and see the lead editorial at the boiling point with israel.

last week, it approved the construction of the new jewish settlement in the west rank him another step in the steady march under prime minister benjamin netanyahu to build on land to create a palestinian state. this is right about the time that president obama had gone to israel for the funeral of shimon peres. lovely to see "the new york times" wake up to the reality. this is a ship that sailed. it failed because we cemented in place with billionons of dollara year israeli government after government. in reality that will be very difficult, if not impossible, to change. there is a one state reality between the river jordan and the sea.

and we, the united states, is responsible. amy: the settlement they are now constructingng a 300 homes, thee significance of this in the largest u.s. the military deal in history, $38 billion promised to israel or the next 10 years. rashid: they of deauville -- delivered yet another slap to president obama. let's see if he decides to turn the other cheek for the 18th or 20th time. he has a few months left in office. there are many things he could do. could call for a security council resolution to the fact that it is illegal. i think that netanyahu is not terribly afraid of our president. there is evidence of that. he just got this extraordinary, extraordinary deal. $3.8 billion, including another goodies.

and he has no compunction in giving the united states a slap in the pace. amy: how do you think a real palestine will be discussed tonight in the debate/rashid: it is hard to think of substance. a flood of things and the rest of the media. my guess is that several dozen serious stories disappear from the media because of this. you have this kind of a person, this kind of a celebrity politician, how can you discuss policy? to and see how they will get it. if they do, they will compete in out pandering to a narrow segment of what they think are supporters of israel. your thoughts as a father and grarandfather, a teacher, a female student on the states that have come out? rashid:: a lot of men say these kinds of things. i'm actually happy that this has happened because it's not just a thatd trump of this world

do this. i think it is good to have this out there. i think it is good to have this inflated the loon come crashing down. i'm sure it's not going to change our culture. amy: although the issue of this is not just saying it come about talking about how he actively assaulted women come up whether they wanted it or not. rashid: that's how a lonmin talk. and that is something repulsive -- that is how a lot of men talk. and that is something repulsive. they had a cameraa on his lapel when he said it. i hope a lot of people will not just vote against him for this to do something about the whole way in which masculinity pensions in our culture. it has a g gender and it has a race element to it. another arms deal is a billion-dollar arms real to saudi arabia. funeral overt a

yemen. saudi arabia has not lamed notonsibility, but -- has claimed responsibility. --t do you think simultaneously, there have been claims that saudi arabia has been using white phosphorus in yemen supplied by the u.s.. can you comment on what is going on in yemen? rashid: there have been over 4000 civilian casualties, 60% caused by airstrikes by saudi arabia and its partners. sold them to who arabour best to the emirates. coordination is involved.

in-air refueling. these are pilots and planes. are handsrael, there holding them up and pushing them in the direction they are going. amy: we will continue this discussion and talk about syria in a minute. but we want to go to lee fang who is in san francisco, covering the intersection of money in politics. has justenwald headlined. can you talk about what has come out, what would have been major news this weekend, but for this video that has just been rereleased by donald trump insulting women? lee fang, what came out about hillary clinton? lee: for over two years now, the clinton campapaign directly and through h her cigarette -- surrogatee have claimed that the media has a bias against the

clintons, t that reporters s are constantly digging up p dirt and have a c chip on their shoulder and that the clintons never get a fair shake from the press. but from these leaked or hacked documents, we see the contrary, that therere were many off the record, very cozy meetings between top journalists and the clinton campaign. they were going to these off the record dinners for these whining and dining sessions. the clinton campaign had a very methodical strategy for shaping the press, planting stotories, feeding g stories,s, and havinga general strategy that was very sophisticated for controlling the type of press that they received. [captioning made possible by democracy now!] a lot of people -- nermeen: a lot of people in clintons can't say that it is quite routine. lee: we are reallyly taking a lk

at how the sauausage is made.. every candidate tries to influence the press.. every lobbybyist tries to influence politicians. we need an indndependent and adversarial press corps. what these e-mails and memos maybes that many folks have sacrificed some of their independence. it really reflects more on the press than on the clinton campaign. amy: can you talk about the thatition research memo was sent to the campaign? opposition research done on themselves to see what will come out. way are talking to lee fang, investigative journalist at the intercept, covering the intersection of money in politics. we are going to go to a minute music break and then we are going to come back. lexically just lost him on the

satellite. -- looks like we just lost him on the satellite. we are going to turn right now -- we are going to turn right now back to the issue of syria. we're going to look at what is the latest for syria. let's look at what a hillary clinton presidency will mean for syria. rashid: there is a dynamic under way where the united states had to policies. the policy of the president and the secretary of state, which is tried to bring about a cease-fire with the rations. you can call it the deep state. you can call it whatever you want. you can call operating in syria for the intelligence services

and for the military. it's basically to have some of the most extreme elements in syria, al qaeda in particular, operating in syria. undermining what the president and the secretary of state have been tried to do. several reports that the u.s. air attack in which dozens of syrian soldiers were killed, for the first time, was deliberate sabotage. s mistakescribed a and targeteting but that is no question. are in reale we danger that either trump or secretary clinton as president would be much more likely to move in the direction that the war party is trying to pull us. nermeen: john kerry said that

syria and russia should be tried for war crimes. at the same time, i think he understands that there has to be a political resolution in syria. he's not going to be successful in achieving. i think these people will get us much more deeply intnto intervention in syria will take us a to and over the brink of wawar. well, we are going to go to abdullah, organizer with black lives matter in los angeles. : members of black lives forer were arrested

standing up for a man who was killed last week. on friday, pasadena police killed jr thomas, beating and teasing him -- tasting him to death in the presence of his pregnant partner. the very next day, they killed carnell snell in south los angeles. witnesses say he was shot five times in the back as he was running way from police here in the very next day, a 16-year-old boy was killed while holding a fake a gun. they said that he pointed it at police and was trying to commit suicide by cop. isare at the point where it just an emergency. it is a state of emergency in black emergencies and in brown and poor communities in los angeles. so on monday, the chief of

police, , charlie beck, one of e worst police chiefs in history, killing more people than are being responsible for the killing at the hands of police than any other police force in the entire country, he tried to have a closed-door press conference where only members of the lapd press pool were admitted. who were there, standing for the people who had been killed over the weekend, refused to disperse. colors, oneatrice of the cofounders of black lives matter's come along with one of organizers, we were all arrested for failure to disperse. i think it ties into who our next president will be because we hear both of the mainstream candidates talking in terms that are untrue for black and brown folks. they are saying things like police want to reform themselves as much as communities want them to reform. and that is absolutely untrue. what we are recognizing as

-- we are under siege. minimal reform. we need a mac the way and will recreational programs, all the things that are needed to build safe communities and we don't hear either of the mainstream candidates talking in those terms. amy: i just want to talk about some breaking news. video with the donald trump and billy bush, the cousin of jed george bush, former president of the united reporting that

billy bush has been suspended from "the today show." also, cnn is reporting that donald trump appeared with women who in the past accused bill clinton of inappropriate sexual activity. they are expected to attend the debate tonight. abdullalah, your ththoughts on this. melina: when we think about what donald trump has proven himself -- e time and time again take out a full-page ad against that central -- the central park

five and say they should be executed only to find out that they were innocent. these young men were proven innocent yet he wants us to believe that, when he says the things that he says, that we will beake a "boys boys" approach, that this is just the way that men top. we can't afford -- men talk. amy: you are tuned into democracy now special, expanding the debate. minutes, 15 minutes, we will be going to st. louis to

bring you the second presidential debate between hillary clinton and donald trump. we will expand the debate after they are asked questions. it is a town hall format by people in the audience. we will stop the tape and get response from third-party candidate dr. jill stein. we also invited gary johnson, but he did not respond to the invite. asas we were going to air today, we learned that major court decision has come down to the surprise of everyone in north dakota because it is a sunday night of this three-day weekend of columbus day or other people celebrate as indigenous peoples day. a three-judge appeals court denying has come down an injunction being sought by the sioux tribe in north dakota as they attempt to stop 3.8

billion dollar pipeline being built from the oil fields from north dakota through south dakota, through iowa and then illinois. thousands of indigenous people from south america, central america, the united states and canada have gathered in chemistry try to stop this pipeline.

that is something that is i think a referendum on all men. i think it's very important. however, there is the part where i fear, as the professor mentionened, that most of the energy of this debate is going to be committed to these particular comments.

this pipeline cannot commence without any federal approval. if there is no federal action or alternatively a federal agent kills this deal, then the pipeline doesn't continue to go forward. if candidadate hillary clinton truly wanted to live u up to wht this would be the most progressive platform and climate change into something affirmatively outside of cap and trade deals, this would be good for that. nermeen: what do you expect from the candidates on, change? glenn: those are two separate questions. donald trump showed his hand very early when he talked about

how native community should not be able to engage in economic development activity because he didn't want the competition. so he doesn't see tribal governments as legitimate governments that should be able to develop our own system -- develop own institutions. clinton says she is an ally. she has wonderful native advisors. that these are in fact relationships that are sealed with treaties that you only do with governments that you enter into as equalsls. lack of williningness to even enterr into those conversations, whether in regards to the dakota access pipeline, what d do treaty obligations mean? that is kind of troubling that

those waters have not been ventured intnto at all. if i posed a question come i would say, what does a treaty relationship and a trust relationship mean to you, hillary clinton, someone who is supposed to be an ally to native communities? amy: it is believed that more than 900 -- the number could well exceed a thousand -- haitians have died as a result of hurricane matthew. climateor of what change looks like, the toll it takes. but i wanted to turn right now uld.everend cassandra go she is the executive director of missouri faith voices and pastor at when chapel ame in jefferson city. far fromt that ferguson were michael brown was killed by police in the summer of 2014. the rest of the media isn't

talking much about this. there are a lord of organized protests around the second presidential debate. talk about what is happening. there are ald: number of grassroots organizations from across the state and across the country, groups like fight for 15. .o one hate these groups have come basically to ensure that, despite what may or may not be talked about a month of presidential candidates, that real issues, real live issues from people on the ground who are hurting all across america will be noticed. so they want to make sure that the american people remember beyond some of the rhetoric that we will hear tonight in the presidential debate, that there are some real issues that are worth fighting for, real issues of people should be talking about and that our candidates

should be paying attention to. amy: and what are some of those issues? rev. gould: there are many issues, such as the fight for voter rights. there are still issues with police brutality in cities all across this country. police oversight, the list of issues goes on and on. fighting15, they are so that hard-working families can earn a living wage and be able to take care of their families. amy: can you talk about the voting rights issue in missouri right now? rev. gould: that is something that, while it is a painful burden that i have been carrying, it is near and dear to me. voter rights in missouri, as we know them, are actually up for grabs and at risk at this time. our constitution has a

protection mechanism in it that says that there should be no additional requirements to be able to cast their votes. six says --mendment and it will be on the ballot on november 8 -- that if it passes, required to have additional photo id, additional requirements, more than we have ever had before. and more than what the the authors of our constitution said were necessary. so we are right now in a state that says it's easier to get a gun and to walk down the street and shoot me then it will be for me to vote if this passes. nermeen:nermeen: and what about your response to -- are you hopeful about what hillary clinton has said on some of these issues? both the minimum wage, voting rights, all of that? are you hopeful and what a

clinton presidency my make helpful? rev. gould: as an executive director of a nonpartisan group, candidateul of what hillary clinton has stated on both of these issues. she has stated a little more on these issues than the other candidate has. i'm really at a point where i am tired of just talk about what can happen. that, in this election season, all we get his promises from people. but we are really looking for candidates every level, not just the presidential election. it is difficult to talk about the presidential election when somebody might not have the vote or have that but impaired. acquittal ofe 2013

george zimmerman for the murder of trayvon martin, missouri is the first state to pass a stand your ground losses acquittal? rev. gould: that is absolutely right. i believe that the voter rights pending on november 8, as well a as the stand your laws that weree enacted as retaliation by our legislators, retaliation for people who dared to go to the streets of ferguson and amanda black lives matter and demand that something ahd to change. now we are stuck with these laws that are directly targeting people of color. amy: we want to thank you for joining us. is going to begin in about three minutes at washington university in say

lewis. and we are gng to be going that debate begins. but we are going to be stopping the tape, pausing it, after the major candidates answer questions from the audience. this is a townhall am a s swe can bring you a third-party candidate in st. louis. she is dr. jill stein who has been excluded from the debate because of stringent rules set by the commission on presidential debates. and gary johnson of the libertarian party, she of the green party. of course, the coalition is run by the democratic and republican parties. so we want to show you what democracy sounds like, what it looks like. but first, with our two guests here in new york,, with professr rashid khalidi.

we want to know what you want to hear tonight. love to hereld someone stand up and say can we stop the circus? can we talk about seriousness? this is a country that is at war. there is war in our streets, in our cities on black and brown communities. there is a climate crisis that will be fed by this pipeline, which violates treaties and native americans rights. i would love to see some he say would you people talk about these things instead of the kind of things that we have been treated to. nermeen: what do you think account for that? why is the media complicit in producing debates of this kind where becomes much more about a spectacle than about substantive issues? rashid: because the media has become infotainment. we are making a ton of money and we basically have a circus.

us a service by calling these politicians what they are, low-energy job, lying ted. he punctured the balloon of the sanctimonious masquerading states persons. but what we really need to have is not a showman and a circus barker, which is what trump is doing. we need somebody bringing real issues and real solutions. ident we will get much of that in san luis. amy: -- in st. louis. amy: what do think me saponin syria? rashid: that is to be an end to fighting. not going to be an easy process. i think this is not just a potential superpower clash. this could be a real regional war. i don't see any seriousness in dealing with this. it could spill over in a way

that iraq didn't and the lebanese civil war didn't. there are increasing calls for the u.s. to intervene militarily to stop a john kerry and others have called war crimes by the assad and russian government in syria. and people who are calling for the intervention make the argument that only the u.s. is in a position now to stop what is going on. that can a peace deal be negotiated. the united states is intervening. it is intervening ineffectively, but it is intervening in a very high level. the question is how do you stop a sore? -- this war? more intervention would lead to a clash with russia. i think there are some people who would love that. it would feed our bloated military budget.

say youe people who haveve to throw your way around all over the world. many neoconservatives have supported secretary clinton, people who brought us the iraq war, like paul wolfowitz. destroying syria and creating a refugee crisis that we have not seen the likes of since world war ii. and pouring kerosene to the flames is a way to bring a resolution is foolishness. amy: we will go now to san luis. >> anderson and i from our team at cnn are the only ones who have seen them. both candidates will have two minutes to answer each audience and online questions. we hope to get to as many questions as we can. we asked of the audience to not slow things down with any applause, except for now.

ladies and gentlemen, the republican nominee for president john old -- donald j. trump and the democratic nominee for president hillary clinton. [applause] anderson: thank you for being here. we will begin with a question from one of the members in our town hall. each of you will have two minutes to respond to this question. secretary clinton, you won the tone cross. the first question is from patrice brock. trees: the last presidential debate could have been rated as m eight, mature audiences per tv parental guidelines.

do you feel you are modeling appropriate and positive behavior for today's youth? ms. clinton: thank you. you a teacher? yes, i think that is a very good question. i heard from lots of teachers and parents about some of their concerns about some of the things that are being said and done in this campaign. it is very important for us to make clear to our children that our country really is great because we are good. and we are going to respect one another, lift each other up. we are going to be looking for ways to celebrate our diversity. and we are going to try to reach out to every boy and girl, as well as every adult, to bring them into working on behalf of our country. -- ia very positive and

have a very positive and optimistic view of what we can do together. that's why the slogan of my campaign is "stronger together." if we work together, if we overcome the divisiveness that sometimes sets americans one another, and instead we make some big goals -- and i have set forth some big goals, getting the economy to work for everyone, not just those of the top, making sure that we have the best education system from preschool through college and making it affordable, and so much else -- if we set those trys and we go together to to achieve them, there's nothing, in my opinion, that america can't do. that's why i hope we will come together in this campaign. obviously, i'm hoping during your vote. i'm hoping to be elected in november. and i can promise you that i will work with every american. i want to be the president for all americans, regardless of your political believes, where you come from, what you look like, your religion.

i want us to heal country and been a together because that is the best way to get the future that our children and grandchildren deserve. anderson: mr. trump, you have two minutes. mr. trump: i actually agree with that. i agree with everything she said. i began this campaign because i was so tired of seeing such foolish things happen to our country. this is a great country. this is a great land. gotten a chance to meet people all across this land in the last 18 must have been a politician. i can't believe that i just said that about myself, but i guess i .m a politician > i've watched some horrible things, like obamacare, where your insurance and health care is going up by numbers that are astronomical. when i look at the iran deal and

how bad a deal it is for us, it is a one-sided transaction where we are giving back $150 billion to a terrorist state, really the number one terrorist state. we made them a strong country from a very weak country just three years ago. at all the things that i see, we have such tremendous potential, whether it is business and trade, where we are doing so badly to last year, --had an almost $8 billion $800 billion trade deficit. it's hard to believe. inconceivable. you say who is making these deals? we are going to have a great trade deal. we will have a strong border. twoy, a policeman was shot, killed. this is happening on a weekly basis. we have to bring back respect to law enforcement. at the same time, we have to take. care of people on all sides.

we need justice. but i want to do things that haven't been done, including fixing and making are in your cities better for the african american citizens that are so great, and for the latinos, hispanics and i look forward to make america great again. the question from patrice is are you modeling appropriate behaviors for today's youth? amy: dr. jill stein as we turn to the third-party candidate. your response to the audience member who said, as a t teacher, do you feel you are modeling appropriate behavior for today's youth. dr. stein: yes. i mean, in contrast to the , youthal establishment and american society at large is very much my priority. i am the only candidate in this corrupted bynot

corporate money, by lobbyist money, by super packs. i am not making the back room deals. i am not taking money from billionaires. and i am not a member of the billionaire class myself. speaking to what the american people actually need. while donald and hillary are occasionally saying the right things, is important to look at their track record, we see donald in fact has mistreated his workers, has off short his jobs, has cheated on students and apparently done some very disposable things in his relations with women. a track record for

serving g the banknks, for payig women in fact in the clinton foundation 38% less than the men are paid working for the clinton foundation. way of atood in the medicare for all plan under , one out of every three americans are not able to afford the health care that we need. amy: we are having a little trouble with the routing of the debatete come us so we are going to go back to the major party debate in st. louis. that,ump: if you don't do it sounds harsh to say, but we have to build up the wealth. no other nations are taking our jobs and taking our wealth. anderson: thank you, mr. trump. secretary clinton, would you like to respond? ms. clinton: like everyone else, i've spent the last 48 hours thinking about what we heard and saw.

prior republican nominees for president, i disagreed with them on politics, policies, principles. never questioned their fitness to serve. donald trump is different. i said, starting back in june, that he was not fit to be resident and commander in -- be president and commander in chief. in many republicans and independents have said the same thing. what we all saw and heard on friday was donald talking about women. what he thinks about women. what he does to women. that the video doesn't represent who he is. but i think it's clear to anyone who heard it that it represents exactly who he is. because we have seen this throughout the campaign. we have seen him insult women. we've seen him rape women -- rate women on their appearance,

ranking them from one to 10. we have seen him embarrass women on tv and on twitter. we saw him after the first debate spent nearly a week denigrating a former miss universe in the harshest, most personal terms. so yes, this is who donald trump is. only women and it's not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president. targetede has also immigrants, african-americans, people with disabilities, pows, muslims and so many others. this is who donald trump is. the question for us, the question the country must answer is not this is not who we are.

that is why, to go back to your question, i want to send a message -- we should all -- to every boy and girl and to the world that america already is great, but we are great because we are good. and we will respect one another. and we will work with one another. and we will celebrate our diversity. valuesre very important to me. because this is the america that i know and love. and i can pledge to you tonight that this is the america that i will serve if i am so fortunate enough to become your president. amy: and we want to get to some questions from online. mr. trump: i would like to respond to that. it's just words, folks. it's just words. i heard them when they were running for senate in new york when hillary was going to bring back job substate new york and she failed.

i heard them when hillary was constantly talking that the inner cities of our country, -- a are a desire stir disaster, education wise, job wise, in every way oslo. -- i'm goinghave to help the african-americans, the latinos, the hispanics. she has done a terrible job for the african-americans. she wants the vote and she does nothing. then she comes back four years later. that first and when she was united states senator. she campaign -- >> mr. trump, i want to get to audience questions and online questions. mr. trump: so she is allowed to do that but i am not -- >> you will get to respond right now. tape is generating intense interest. it has become the single most talked about story of the entire 2016 election on facebook.

with millions and millions of people discussing it on the social network. we do want to bring in questions from around the country. "trump says the campaign has changed him. when did that happen?" to that.d when you walked off that bus at changed?ave you mr. trump: i told you, that is locker room talk to i am not proud of it. i am a man who has great respect for people, for my family and the great people of this country. certainly, i am not proud of it. but that is something that happened. if you look at bill clinton, far worse. mine were words in his was action. what he's done to women, there's never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that's been so abusive to women. you can say anyway you want

to say it, but bill clinton was abusive to women. hillary clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously. four of them are here tonight. one of the women, who is a wonderful woman, at 12 years old, was raped at 12. her client, she represented him, and we've seen him laughing at the girl. the young woman is here with us tonight. don't tell me about words. i am absolutely -- i apologize for those words. but it is things that people say. but what president clinton did, he was in peach, lost his license to practice law, had to pay an $850,000 fine to one of the women, paul a jones, who is also here tonight. and i will tell you that, when hillary brings up a point like

that and she talks about words iat i said 11 years ago, think it's disgraceful and i think she should be ashamed of herself, if you want to know the truth. [applause] martha: can we please hold the applause? secretary clinton, you have two minutes. ms. clinton: first, let me start by saying that so much of what he said is not right here but he gets to run his campaign anyway he chooses. he gets to decide what he wants to talk about instead of answering people's questions, talking about our agenda, laying out the plans that we have that we think can make a better life ended their country. that's his choice. hear something like that, i am reminded of something my friend michelle obama advised us all. when you -- when they go low, you go high. [cheering] look, if this were just about

one video, maybe what he is saying tonight would be understandable. but everyone can draw their own conclusions at this point about whether or not the man in the video or the man on the stage respects women. but he never apologizes for anything to anyone. he never apologized to mr. and mrs. khan, the gold star family whose son, captain khan died in the line of duty in iraq. and donald insulted and attacked them for weeks over their religion. he never apologized to the distinguished federal judge who was born in indiana. but donald said he couldn't be trusted to be a judge because his parents were "mexican." they never apologized to the reporter that he mimicked and mocked on national television and our children were watching.

and he never apologized for the racist lie that president obama was not born in the united states of america. he owes the president an apology. he owes our country and apology. and he needs to take responsibility for his actions and his words. mr. trump: well, you owe the president an apology because, as you know very well, your campaign, sidney blumenthal, he is another real winner that you have, and he is the one i got this started, along with your campaign manager and they were on television just two weeks ago, she was, saying exactly that. so you really owe him an apology. you are the one who sent the pictures around, your campaign, sent the pictures around with president obama in a certain garb. that was long before i was involved. so you owe him an apology. number two, michelle obama. i've got to see the commercials that they did on you. i've got to see some of the most

vicious commercials i have ever seen of michelle obama talking about you, hillary. so you talk about friend, go back and take a look at those commercials, a race where you lost fair and square, unlike the bernie sanders race where you won, but not fair and square in my opinion. and. all you have to do is look at wikileaks and see what they said about bernie sanders and whatever wasserman schultz had in mind. because. bernie sanders, he no longer -- he had -- he never had a chance. i think the one you really should be apologizing for and the thing you should apologize the 3000 e-mails that you deleted and that you acid washed. and then the two boxes of e-mails and other things, last week, that were taken from an office and are now missing. and all tell you what.

i didn't think i'll say this, but i'm going to say it and i hate to say it. but if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it. and we are going to have a special prosecutor. and i speak -- i go out speak -- the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where e-mails -- and you get a subpoena -- you get a subpoena. after getting the subpoena, you delete 33,000 e-mails. and then you acid wash them, bleach them come as you would say, a very stanza process. so we will get a very special prosecutor and look into it. people have been -- their lives have been destroyed

for doing 1/10 of what you have done and it's a disgrace. and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. martha: -- mr. trump: everything he just -- ms. clinton: everything he just said is absolutely false, but i'm not surprised. i was told that it would be impossible to be fact checking donald all the time and i would not be able to talk about what we want to do and how to make people's lives better. once again, go to --lclinton.com phillyclinton.com. you can fact check in. we have millions of people fact checking. that someone good with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. mr. trump: because you would be in jail.l. [cheering]

anderson: we want to remind the audience to please not talk out loud. these do not applaud. you're wasting time. ontha: i want to follow-up e-mails. you said the handling of your e-mails was a mistake. you disagreed with fbi director james comey calling the handling of the information extremely careless. the fbi said there were 100 10 classified e-mails exchanged, eight of which were top-secret, and that it was possible hostile actors did gain access to those e-mails. you don't call that extremely careless? ms. clinton: first, let me say and i will repeat it. that was a mistake. and i take responsibility for using a personal e-mail account. obviously, if i were to do it over again, i would not. i am not making any excuses. . i am veryistake and sorry about that. but it's also important to point out where there are some

misleading accusations from critics and others. after a year-long investigation, there is no evidence that anyone hacked the server i was using and there is no evidence that anyone can point to at all, anyone who says otherwise has no basis, that any classified material ended up in the wrong hands. i take classified materials very seriously and always have heard when i was on the senate armed was privyommittee, i to classified material. obviously, as secretary of state , i had some of the most important secrets that we possess, such as going after bin laden. so i am very committed to taking classified information seriously. and as i said, there is no evidence that any classified information ended up in the wrong hands. nottrump: and yet, she did

a document.ter c on she didn't know what that meant. it's amazing. aftertching hillary going facts. she is going fact after fact that she is lying again because she said that what she did with e-mails was fine. you think it was fine to delete e-mails? ? i don't think so. she said it had to do with her daughter's wedding, number one, and a yoga class. maybe we will get three or four or five, 33,000 e-mails deleted. now she is saying there was then -- there wasn't anything on it. and that was after the subpoena. she got it from the united states congress. i'll be honest. i am so disappointed in congressman, including republicans, for allowing this to happen. our justice department where her husband goes to the back of an airplane and talks to the tourney general days before a ruling is going to be made on

her case. but for you to say that there was nothing wrong with you deleting 39,000 e-mails, again, you should be ashamed of yourself. this is after getting a subpoena from the united states congress. anderson: we have to move on. let alone after getting a subpoena from the united states congress. anderson: we need to move on to an audience question. ms. clinton: look, it is just not true. mr. trump: over 33,000? ms. clinton: we turned over 35,000. anderson: these allow her to respond. she did not talk while you talked. ms. clinton: because she has nothing to say. -- mr. trump: because she had nothing to say. ms. clinton: i know you are into

big diversion tonight, anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it is exploding and the way republicans are leaving you. mr. trump: let's see what happens. ms. clinton: but let's see what people care about tonight. anderson: we have a question about health care. ms. clinton: i want to know, anderson come -- mr. trump: i would like to know, anderson, why are you bringing up the e-mails? anderson: that question is over. mr. trump: no, it is not over. >> the affordable care act is not affordable. premiums have gone up. deductibles have gone up. co-pays have gone up. prescriptions have gone up any coverage has gone down. what will you do to bring the cost down and make coverage better? anderson: that first one goes to secretary clinton. mr. trump: if he wants this -- ms. clinton: if he wants to start, go ahead.

mr. trump: no, i'm a gentleman. [applause] ms. clinton: i think donald was going to say that he would fix it by repealing it and get rid of the affordable care act. i'm going to fix it. i agree with you. series of actions we can take to get those costs down. when we are talking about reining in the cost, which has to be the highest priority of the next president, when the affordable care act past, it wasn't just that tournament -- 20 million people got insurance. that was a good thing. these people tell me what a good difference that insurance meant and theirthem families. everybody else, the 170 million of us who get health insurance , got bigur employers benefits. number one, insurance companies

cannot deny you coverage because of a pre-existing condition. number two, no lifetime limits, which is a big deal if you have serious health problems. number three, women can't be charged more than men for our health insurance, which is the way it used to be before the affordable care act. number four, if you are under 26 and your parents have a policy, you can be on that policy until the age of 26, something that didn't happen before. i want very much to save what works and is good about the affordable care act, but we have to get costs down. we have to provide some additional help to small they cans so that afford to provide health insurance. but if we repeal it, as donald has proposed, and start over again, all of those benefits i just mentioned are lost to everybody, not just people who get their health insurance under the exchange. and then we would have to start all over again. right now we are at 90% health

insurance coverage. that's the highest we've ever been in our country. anderson: secretary clinton, your time is up. mr. trump, you have two minutes. mr. trump: it's such a great question. is the question i get a most more than anything else, other than defense. obamacare is a disaster. you know it. we all know it. it's going up at numbers that no one has ever seen worldwide. no one has ever seen numbers like this for health care. it's only getting worse. .n 2017, it implodes by itself their method of fixing it is to go back and ask congress for more money. more and more money. we have almost $20 trillion in debt. obamacare will never work. it's very bad -- very bad health insurance. far too expensive. and don't -- not only expensive for the person who has it. unbelievably expensive for our country. it's going to be one of the

biggest line items very shortly to we have to repeal it and replace it with something absolutely much less expensive and something that works, where your plan can actually be tailored. we have to get rid of the lines around the state, artificial lines, where we stop insurance companies from coming in and competing, because they wanted president obama and whoever was working on it, they want to leave those lines, because that gives those insurance companies, essentially, monopolies. we want competition. you have the finest health care plan there is. who wants to go to a single-payer plan? that would be a disaster. somewhat sink -- similar to canada. noticed, ther canadians come to the united states when they need a big operation. because their system is so slow, it's catastrophic in certain ways. but she wants to go to single-payer, which means the government basically rules everything. hillary clinton has been after this for years. obamacare was the first step.

obamacare is a total disaster. and not only are your rates going up by numbers that nobody has ever believed, but your deductibles are going up, so that, unless you get hit by a truck, you're never going to be able to use it. it's a disastrous plan and it has to be repealed and replaced. anderson: secretary clinton, let me follow up with you. "small business owners are getting killed, premiums cut in half." was he mistaken, or was he telling the truth? are in aon: we situation in our country where, if we were to start all over again, we might come up with a different system, but we have an employer-based system. that's where the vast majority of people get their health care. the affordable care act was meant to try to fill the gap between people who were too poor and couldn't put together any resources to afford health-care,

,amely people on medicaid obviously medicare, which is a single-payer system, which takes care of our elderly and does a great job doing it, by the way, and then all the people who were employed, but people who were working but didn't have the money to afford insurance and didn't have anybody -- an employer or anybody else -- to help them. that was the swap that the obamacare approach was to take. like i say, 20 million people now have health insurance. if we just rip it up and throw it away, what donald is not telling you is we just turn it back to the insurance companies, the way it used to be. that means the insurance companies get to do pretty much whatever they want, including saying, look, i'm sorry, you've cancer,etes, you have you may not be able to have insurance because you can't afford it. let's fix what's broken about it. let's not throw it away and give it all back to the insurance companies. that's not going to work. anderson: mr. trump --

mr. trump: everything is broken about it. everything. number two, bernie sanders said that hillary clinton has very bad judgment. this is a perfect example of it, trying to save obamacare. anderson: mr. trump, you said you want to and obamacare, you also said you want to make coverage accessible for people with pre-existing conditions. how do you force companies to do that if your gnome and -- you are no longer mandating question mark what does that mean -- you are no longer mandating? what does that mean? mr. trump: you will have plans that are so good, once we allow the lines of competition -- anderson: are you going to have a mandate -- mr. trump: anderson, excuse me. president obama, by keeping the boundary lines -- it was almost gone until the passage of obamacare, which, by the way, was a fraud. you know that. jonathan gruber, the architect

of obamacare said it was a great lie, it was a big lie. president obama said, you keep your doctor, you keep your plan. the whole thing was a fraud. it doesn't work. when we get rid of those lines, you have competition. we will be able to keep pre-existing. we will be able to help people who don't have money, because we are going to have people protected. republicans feel this way. strongly this way. we are going to block grant into the states. we are going to block great -- grant into medicaid, so that we will be able to take care of people without the necessary funds to take care of themselves. anderson: thank you, mr. trump. martha: now a question for both candidates. are 3.3 million muslims in the united states, and i'm one of them. you have mentioned working with muslim nations. with islamophobia on the rise, how will you work with people

like me after the election is over? right aboutou are islamophobia, and that is a shame. one thing we have to do is we have to make sure that, because there is a problem. not, ande like it or we can be very politically correct, but whether we like it or not, there is a problem. and we have to be sure that muslims come in and report when they see something going on, when they see hatred going on, they have to report it. as an example in san bernardino, many people saw the bombs all over the apartment that killed 14 and wounded many people. horribly wounded, they will never be the same. muslims have to report the problems when they see them. and, you know, there's always a reason for everything. if they don't do that, it's a very difficult situation for our country. because you look at orlando and you look at san bernardino and you look at the world trade center. go outside, you look at paris.

look at that horrible -- these are radical islamic terrorists. and she won't even mention the word. and nor will president obama. he won't use the term radical islamic terrorism. to solve the problem, you have to be able to state what the problem is or at least say the name. she won't say the name and president obama won't say the name, but the name is they are. it is radical islamic terror. before you solve it, you have to say the name. martha: secretary clinton. anderson: -- ms. clinton: thank you for asking your question. i've heard this question from a lot of muslims across our country, because, unfortunately, there has been a lot of very divisive, dark things said about muslims. and even someone like captain young man who sacrificed himself defending our country in the united states army, has been subject to attack by donald.

i want to say just a couple things. first, we've had muslims in america since george washington. we had many successful muslims. we just lost a particularly well-known one with mohammed ali -- muhammad ali. my vision of an america is a vision where everyone has a place if you're willing to work hard, do your part, contribute to the community. that's what america is. that's what we want america to be for our children and our grandchildren. it's also very shortsighted and even dangerous to be engaging in the kind of demagogue it rhetoric -- demagogic rhetoric donald has about muslims. we need american muslims to be part of our eyes and ears on our front lines. i've worked with a lot of different muslim groups around america. i've met with a lot of them. and i've heard how important it is for them to feel that they are wanted and included and part of our country, part of our

homeland security, and that's what i want to see. it's also important -- i intend to defeat isis, to do so in a coalition with majority muslim nations. right now, a lot of those nations are hearing what donald says and wondering why we should cooperate with the americans. this is a gift phthisis and the terrorist -- gift to isis and the terrorists, violent jihadists. we are not at war with islam. it is a mistake and it plays into the hands of terrorists to act as though we are. i want a country where citizens like you and your family are just as welcome as anyone else. thank you, secretary clinton. mr. trump, in december, you said this, "donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country 's in it is can figure out what the -- is going on. we have no choice we have no

choice." weekrunning mate said this that the muslim ban is no longer your position. is that correct? if it is, was it a mistake to have a religious test? first of all -- mr. trump: first of all, captain khan is an american hero. if i were president at that time , he would be alive today, because unlike her, who voted with the -- for the war without knowing what they were doing, i would not have had our people in iraq. iraq was a disaster. he would have been alive today. the muslim ban was something that, in some form, has morphed ngto extreme betting -- vetti from certain areas of the world. hillary clinton wants to allow -- martha: answer the question. mr. trump: why don't you interrupt her? you please explain whether or not the muslim ban still stands? mr. trump: it is called extreme

vetting. we are going to areas like syria, where they are coming in by the tens of thousands because of barack obama. hillary clinton wants to allow a 550% increase over obama. people are coming into our country like we have no idea who they are, where they are from, what are their feelings about our country, and she wants 550% more. this is going to be the great trojan horse of all time. we have enough problems in this country. i believe in building safe zones. i believe in having other people pay for them, as an example, the gulf states, who are not carrying their weight, but have plenty of money. with all the problems you see , i don't want to have hundreds of thousands of people coming in from syria where we know nothing about them, nothing about their values, nothing about their love for our country. clinton, lettary

me ask you about that. you have asked for and increase from 10,000 to 65,000 syrian refugees. we know you want tougher that in -- tougher vetting. that's not a perfect system. why take the risk of having those refugees coming to our country? ms. clinton: i will not let anyone into our country that i think poses a risk to us, but there are a lot of refugees, women and children -- inc. of that children -- that -- think of that picture we saw of that four-year-old boy with blood because he had been bombed by the -- there are children suffering largely believe -- largely, i believe, because of corruption -- russian aggression. we need to do our part. we are not carrying the load that europe and others are. we will have vetting that is as tough as it needs to be from our

professionals, our intelligence experts, and others. it's important for us as policy not to say, as donald has said, we are going to ban people based on a religion. how do you do that? we are a country founded on religious freedom and liberty. how do we do what he has advocated without causing great distress within our own country? are we going to have religious tests when people fly into our country? how do we expect to be able to implement those? so, i thought that what he said unwise and even dangerous and, indeed, you can look at the propaganda on a lot of the terrorist sites. what donald trump says about muslims is used to recruit fighters, because they want to

create a war between us. the final thing i will say is, this is the 10th or 12th time he has denied being for the war in iraq. we have it on tape, the entire press corps has looked at it. it's been debunked, but it never stops him from saying what he wants to say. mr. trump: it has not been debunked. misses clinton: -- ms. clinton: miss clintomr. trun debunked. go to hillaryclinton.com. mr. trump: she went about 20 seconds after her time. can i respond? we have many criminal illegal aliens. when we want to send them back to their country, their country says we don't want them. in some cases, they are murderers, druglords, drug problems, and they don't want them. hillary clinton when she is secretary of state said i'm a that's ok, we can't force them

into their country. let me tell you, i'm going to force them back to their country. they are murderers and some very bad people. when bernie sanders said she had bad judgment, she has really bad judgment, because we are letting people into this country that are going to cause problems and crime like you've never seen. we are also leading drugs for through our southern border at a record clip. the record clip. and it shouldn't be allowed to happen. just endorsed me. they've never endorsed a presidential candidate. agentsborder patrol endorsed me because i understand the border. she doesn't. she wants amnesty for everybody. come right in. come right over. it's a horrible thing she is doing. she has bad judgment. honestly, so bad that she should never be president of the united states. that i can tell you. martha: thank you, mr. trump. i want to move on. this next question comes from

the public. americans submitted questions that generated millions of votes. this questions -- question involves wikileaks release of excerpts of hillary clinton's paid speeches, which she has refused to release, one line which says, "you need both the public and private position on certain issues." the question is, is it ok for politicians to be two-faced? is acceptable for a politician to have a private stance on issues? secretary clinton, your two minutes. ms. clinton: as i recall, that was something i said about abraham lincoln after having seen the wonderful steven spielberg movie called "lincoln." it was a master class, watching president lincoln get the congress to approve the 13th amendment.

it was principled and it was strategic. and i was making the point that it is hard sometimes to get the congress to do what you want it to do and you have to keep working at it and, yes, president lincoln was trying to convince some people -- he used some arguments convincing people, others to convince other people. that was, i thought, a great display of presidential leadership. but let's talk about what's really going on here, martha. because our intelligence community just came out and said in the last few days that the kremlin, meaning putin and the russian government, are directing the attacks, the hacking on american accounts, to influence our election. wikileaks is part of that, as are other sites, where the russians hack information. we don't even know if it's accurate information, and then

they put it out. we have never in the history of our country been in a situation where an adversary, a foreign power, is working so hard to influence the outcome of the election. and, believe me, they are not doing it to get me elected. they are doing it to try to influence the election for donald trump, maybe because he has praised putin, maybe because he said he agrees with a lot of what putin wants to do, maybe because he wants to do business in moscow. i don't know the reason, but we deserve answers, and we should demand that donald release all of his tax returns so the people can see what our the entanglements -- what are the in segments and the financial relationships that he had with -- martha: secretary clinton, you are out of time. mr. trump. i think i should respond because it is -- mr. trump: i think i should respond because it is so ridiculous. her paper went out to all her

friends at the banks, goldman sachs, everywhere else. she said things, the wikileaks, that just came out. she lied. now she's blaming the lie on the late, great abraham lincoln. [laughter] abe never honest lied. that's the big difference between abraham lincoln and you. that's a big, big difference we are talking about. some difference. but as far as other elements of what you were saying, i don't know prudent. i think you would be great if we get along with russia -- i don't know putin. i think it would be great if we got along with russia because we could fight isis, for example. maybe there is no hacking. they always blame russia. the reason they blame russia is because they think they are trying to tarnish me about russia. i know nothing about russia. i know about russia, but i don't know the inner workings of russia. i don't deal there.

i don't have businesses with loans from russia. i have a great balance sheet. the united states government, because of my balance sheet, which they actually know very well, chose me to do the old post office between the white house and congress, chose me to do the old post office. perhaps the primary thing was balance sheet. but i have no loans with russia. you could go to the united states government and they would probably tell you that, because they know my sheets very well, in order to get that development. the taxes are a very simple thing. first of all, i pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. many of our friends took bigger deductions. warren buffett took a massive deduction. s, who is a friend of hers, took a massive deduction. many of the people who gave her money, who could do many more marshals than me, gave -- more

commercials than me, took massive deductions. as soon as my audit is done, i will release my tax returns. anderson: we have a question from spencer moss. spencer: good evening. my question is what specific tax provisions will you change to ensure the wealthiest americans pay their fair share in taxes? mr. trump: one thing i would do is get rid of carried interest. one of the greatest provisions, for people like me, to be honest with you -- i give up a lot when i run. she could have done this years ago. she was united states senator. she complains that donald trump took advantage of the tax code. why didn't you change it when you were a senator? the reason you didn't is that all your friends take the same advantage that i do. i do. you have provisions in the tax code that, frankly, we could change. but he wouldn't change it because all of these people give you the money so you can take

wouldn'tads -- but you change it because all of these people give you the money so you can take negative ads about donald trump. she has been there for 30 years, doing this stuff. she never changed and she never will change. she never will change. we are getting ready -- rid of carried interest provisions. i'm lowering taxes, because i think it is so important for corporations. we have corporations leaving, massive ones, little ones. little ones can't form. we are lowering regulations. bringing the tax rate down from 35% to 15%. we are cutting taxes for the middle class. i will tell you we are cutting them big-league for the middle class. hillary clinton is raising your taxes, folks. she is raising your taxes. really high. ad what that's going to do is disaster for the country. she is raising your taxes and i am lowering your taxes. that in itself is a big difference. we are going to be driving again.

we have no growth -- we are going to be thriving again. we have no growth. we are down 1% gdp. that's like no growth. we are going lower in my opinion. a lot of it has to do with the fact that our taxes are so high, just about the highest in the world. i'm bringing them down to one of the lower in the world. i think it's so important. one of the most important things we can do. she is raising everybody's taxes massively. what tax provisions will you change to ensure that the wealthiest americans pay their fair share of taxes? ms. clinton: everything that he said is not true. i'm sorry i have to say this. it's amusing to hear from someone who hasn't paid taxes in 20 years talk about what he's going to do. i'll tell you what he's going to do. his plan will give the wealthy and corporations the biggest tax

cuts they never had, more than the bush tax cuts by at least a factor of 2. donald always takes care of donald and people like donald. this would be a massive gift. indeed, the way that he talks about his tax cuts would end up raising taxes on middle-class families, millions of middle-class families. here's what i want to do. i said nobody who makes less that a50,000 a year, and vast majority -- that is a vast majority of americans, will have their taxes raised. we have to go where the money is, and that's with the people who have taken advantage of every single break in the tax code. when i was a senator, i voted ditch -- voted to close corporate loopholes. i voted to close, i believe, one of the loop that enabled him to avoid paying taxes. i want a tax on people who are making $1 million, called the

buffet rule. warren buffett is someone who has said somebody like him should not be playing -- paying a lower tax rate than his secretary. i want to have a search of -- a surcharge on incomes above million dollars. we have to make up for lost time. i want to invest in you. i want to invest in families. it's unfortunate. since the great recession, the gains have all gone to the top. we need to reverse that. people like donald, who pay zero in taxes, zero for our vets, zero for military, zero for health and education, that is wrong.

. now they are in 32 different nations. congratulations. great job. anderson: i want you to be able to respond, secretary clinton. ms. clinton: well, here we go again. i've been in favor of getting rid of carried interest for years, starting when i was a senator from new york, but that's not the point here. mr. trump: why didn't you do it? ms. clinton: because i was a senator with a republican president. [applause] mr. trump: if you were an effective senator, you could have done it. but you were not an effective senator. anderson: allow her to respond. she didn't interrupt you. ms. clinton: under our constitution, presidents have something called veto power. he has now said repeatedly, 30

years this, 30 years that. let me talk about my 30 years in public service. i'm very glad to do so. 8 million kids every year have health insurance because when i was first lady i worked with democrats and republicans to create the children's health insurance program. hundreds of thousands of kids now have a chance to be adopted because i worked to change our adoption and foster care system. after 9/11, i went to work with republican mayor, governor, and president to rebuild new york and get health care for our first responders who were suffering because they had run toward danger and got sick and ickened by it. hundreds of thousands of national guard members have health care because of what i did. i passed a law for children's medicine to be more carefully dosed. state, i wentf

around the world advocating for our country, advocating for women's rights, to make sure that women have a decent chance to have a better life and negotiated a treaty with russia to lower nuclear weapons. 400 pieces of legislation have my name on it as a sponsor or cosponsor when i was senator for eight years. i worked very hard and was very proud he reelected in new york by an even bigger margin -- produd to be reelected in new york by an even margin -- even bigger margin than the first time. you have to be able to get along with people to get things done in washington. and i've proven that i can. and for 30 years, i produced results. anderson: thank you, secretary clinton. martha: we're going to move on to syria. both of you have mentioned that. mr. trump: she said a lot of things. martha: we are going to go on. mr. trump, we are going to move on. the heartbreaking video of a five-year-old syrian boy named

--, sitting in a nebulous after -- sittingthe rubble in an ambulance after being pulled from the rubble focus the world's attention on the war in syria with 136 million views on facebook alone. there are much worse images coming out of aleppo every day now where, in the past few weeks alone, 400 people have been killed, at least 100 of them children. just days ago, the state government called for a war crimes investigation of the syrian regime of bashar al-assad and its ally, russia, for the bombardment of aleppo. so, this next question comes from social media, through facebook, diane from pennsylvania asks, if you were president, what would you do about syria and the humanitarian crisis in aleppo? isn't it a lot like the holocaust, when the u.s. waited too long before we helped? secretary clinton, we will begin with your two minutes. ms. clinton: the

situation in syria is catastrophic. and every day that goes by, we see the results of the regime by assad in partnership with the iranians on the ground and the russians in the air bombarding places, in particular aleppo, where there are hundreds of thousands of people, probably andt 250,000 still left, there is a determined effort by the russian air force to destroy aleppo, in order to eliminate the last of the syrian rebels who are really holding out against the assad regime. russia hasn't paid any attention to isis. they're interested in keeping aside in power -- keeping assad in power. when i was secretary of state and today, i advocate no-fly zones. we need leverage with the russians, because they are not going to come to the negotiating

table for a diplomatic resolution unless there is some leverage over them. we have to work more closely with our partners and allies on the ground. that want to emphasize what is at stake here is the ambitions and the aggressiveness of russia. russia has decided that it's all and they also decided who they want to see become president of the united states, too, and it's not me. i stood up to russia. i've taken on putin and others, and i would do that as president. i think wherever we can cooperate with russia, that's fine, and i did as secretary of state. that's how we got a three reducing nuclear weapons. that's how we got the -- got a treaty reducing nuclear weapons. deal with we got the iran. i would go to the negotiating table with more leverage than we have now.

we should investigate war crimes committed by the syrians and the russians and try to hold him accountable. martha: thank you, miss clinton -- secretary clinton. mr. trump. mr. trump: you are involved in the so-called line in the sand. ms. clinton: no, i wasn't. i was gone. i hate to interrupt you. were in contact with the white house. sadly, obama listened to you. i don't think he would listen to you very much anymore. obama drew the line in the sand. it was laughed at all over the world. what happened? she talks tough on russia, but our nuclear program has fallen way behind and it gone wild with their nuclear program. not good. our government shouldn't have allowed that to happen. ofsia is new in terms nuclear we are old, we are tired, we are exhausted in terms of nuclear. she talks really tough against putin. and against assad.

she talks in favor of the rebels. she doesn't even know who the rebels are. every time we take rebels, whether it's in iraq or anywhere else, we are arming people, and you know what happens? they end up being worse than the people -- look what she did in libya with gadhafi. gadhafi is out. libya is a mess. almost everything she has done in foreign policy has been a mistake and it's been a disaster. but if you look at russia, just take a look at russia and look at what they did this week, where, i agree, she wasn't there, but possibly she has consulted. we sign a peace treaty. everyone is all excited. what russia did with assad and, by the way, with iran, who you make more powerful with the dumbest deal i've seen in the history of dealmaking, with the $1.7 billion in cash, enough cash to fill up this room.

look at that deal. iran now and russia are against us. she wants to fight. she wants to fight for rebels. there's only one problem. you don't know who the rebels are. martha: your two minutes are up. mr. trump: i don't like assad at assad is killing isis. russia is killing isis. iran is killing isis. those three have now lined up because of our weak foreign policy. martha: mr. trump, let me repeat the question. [laughter] martha: if you were president, what would you do about syria and the humanitarian crisis in a level? -- in aleppo? i want to remind you what your running mate said, provocations in russia need to be met with america's strength and if russia continues to be involved in airstrikes with the government of assad, the united states of america should be prepared to use military force to strike the military targets of the assad

regime. mr. trump: he and i haven't spoken and i disagreed. -- disagree. right now, theory is fighting isis. we have people who want -- right now, syria is fighting isis. we have people who want to fight both at the same time. they have been made into a powerful and rich nation very quickly. . believe we have to get isis we have to worry about isis before we can get too much more involved. she had a chance to do something with syria. they had a chance. and that was the line. martha: what do you think will happen if aleppo falls? mr. trump: i think aleppo is a disaster. i think it basically has fallen. let me tell you something, you take a look at muslim -- the biggest problem i have with the stupidity of our -- at mosul. we have announcements coming out

of iraq, we will be attacking mosul in three weeks or four weeks. all of these bad leaders from isis are leaving mosul. why can't they do it quietly? why can't they make it a sneak attack? after the attack is made, informed the american public we have knocked out the leaders. we've had a tremendous success. why do they have to say we are going to be attacking mosul within the next four weeks to six weeks. how stupid is our country? martha: there are sometimes reasons the military does that, psychological warfare. it might be to help get civilians out. mr. trump: i have 200 generals and admirals who endorsed me. i have 21 congressional medal of honor recipients who endorsed me. we talk about it all the time. they understand why can't they do something secretively where they go in and they not out -- they knock out the leadership.

why would these people stay here? martha: tell me what your strategy is. mr. trump: i've been reading now for weeks that between raqqa and mosul is where they think the leaders of isis are. why would they be saying -- they're gone. everyone has been talking about iraq, which is us with our leadership, posing to fight isis -- goes in to fight isis. general george patton, general douglas macarthur are spitting in their grave at the stupidity of what we are doing in the middle east. martha: i'm going to go to secretary clinton. you want assad t o go. you advocating arming rebels. you talked about diplomatic efforts. those have failed. cease-fires have failed. would you introduce the threat of u.s. military force beyond a no-fly zone against the assad regime to that of diplomacy? -- to back up

diplomacy? ms. clinton: i would not use american ground forces in syria. i think that would be a very serious mistake. --i don't think american troops should be holding territory, which is what they would have to do as an occupying force. i don't think that is a smart strategy. i do think the use of special forces, which we are using, the use of enablers and trainers in iraq, which has had some positive effect, are very much in our interest. i do support what is happening. martha: what would you do differently than president obama is doing? ms. clinton: i hope that by the time -- mr. trump: everything. ms. clinton: i hope by the time i am president that we will have pushed prices out of iraq -- pushed isis out of iraq. i do think there is a good chance we can take mosul. donald says he knows more about isis than the generals. no, he doesn't. there's a lot of reimporting

planning going on. -- of very important planning going on. some of it is to signal to the sunnis and the kurdish peshmerga fighters that we all need to be in this. that takes a lot of planning and preparation. i would go after baghdadi. i would specifically target by daddy. i think our target -- target by aghdadi. i would specifically target him. i think the kurds have been our best partners in syria as well as iraq. i know there is a lot of concern about that in some circles, but i think they should have the equipment they need so that kurdish and arab fighters on the ground are the principal way that we take raqqa after pushing isis out of iraq. you know what's

funny? she went over a minute over and you didn't stop her. martha: you have many answers. anderson: we have a question from mr. carter. my question is, do you believe you can be a devoted president to all the people in the united states? anderson: that question begins for mr. trump. mr. trump: absolutely. i mean, she calls our people deplorable. a large group. and irredeemable. i will be a president for all of our people. and i will be a president that will turn our inner cities around and will give strength to people and will give economics to people and will bring jobs back, because after, signed -- nafta, signed by her husband, is perhaps the greatest trade disaster in the world. not just this country. it stripped us of manufacturing

jobs. we lost our jobs, our money, our plans. it is a disaster. now she wants to sign tpp. she calls it the gold standard. at the last debate, she lied, because it turned out she did say the gold standard, then she said she didn't say it. they actually said that she lied. and she lied. but she's lied about a lot of things. i will be a president for all of the people, african-americans, the inner cities, devastating what's happening to our inner cities. she's been talking about it for years. as usual, she talks about it, nothing happens. she doesn't get it done. same with the latino americans, the hispanic americans. the same exact thing. they talk. they don't get it done. you go into the inner cities and you see it is 45% poverty. african-americans, 45% poverty in the inner cities. the education is a disaster. jobs are essentially nonexistent. i mean, it's --

and i've been saying, big speec hes, where i have 20000 and 30,000 people, what do you have to lose? it can't get any worse. she's been talking about the inner cities for 25 years. nothings going to happen. if she's president of the united states, nothing is going to happen. all of her friends that we were talking about -- i would just get it by osmosis. she's not doing me any favors, but by doing all the others favors, she is doing me favors. anderson: mr. trump -- mr. trump: she's also -- all ta lk. anderson: your two minutes is up. you have two minutes, secretary clinton. of the people0 7% voted to reelect me when i ran % of theecond term -- 67 people voted to reelect me when i ran for my second term, and i was proud of that. mr. carter, i've tried my entire life to do what i can to support

children and families. right out of law school, i went to work for the children's defense fund. donald talks a lot about, you know, the 30 years i've been in public service. i'm proud of that. i started off as a young lawyer, working against discrimination against african american children in schools and in the criminal justice system. i worked to make sure that kids with disabilities could get a public education, something that i care very much about. i have worked with latinos, one of my first jobs in politics was down in south texas, registering latino citizens to be able to vote. to i have a deep devotion, use your absolutely correct word, to making sure that every american feels like he or she has a place in our country. and i think when you look at the letters that i get, a lot of people are worried that maybe they wouldn't have a place in donald trump's america.

they write me. one woman wrote me about her son, felix, adopted from ethiopia when he was a toddler. he is 10 years old now. this is the only country has ever known. he listens to donald on tv. he said that his mother one day, will he sent me back to ethiopia if he gets elected? children listen to what is being said. to go back to the very first question. there is a lot of fear. teachers and parents are calling it "the truck effect. -- "the trump effect." bjul -- bullying is up. kids are expressing their concerns. first and foremost, i will do my best to reach out to everybody, democrats, republicans, independents. if you don't vote for me, i still want to be your president. anderson: your two minutes is up. ms. clinton: i want to be the best president i can be for ever one in this country -- everyone in this country.

anderson: you said that half of donald trump's followers are "deplorables, xenophobic." you later said you expressed regret for saying "half." how can you united country if you have written off tens of millions of americans? ms. clinton: within an hour, i said i was sorry about the way i talked about that. my argument is not with his supporters. it's with him and the hateful and divisive campaign he has run and the inciting of violence at brutallies and the very kinds of comments about, not just women, but all americans, all kinds of americans. what he has said about african-americans and latinos, about muslims, about p.o.w.'s, about immigrants, about people with disabilities -- he has never apologized for. so, i do think that a lot of the tone and tenor that he has set

-- i'm proud of the campaign that bernie sanders and i ran. we ran a campaign based on issues and not insults. he is supporting you 100% because we talked about what we might as -- supporting me 100% because we talked about what we might want to do. we believe we could make the country better. we have a divided nation. we had a very divided nation. you look at charlotte. you look at baltimore. you look at the violence that is taking place in the inner cities, chicago. you take a look at washington, d.c. we have an increase in murder within our cities, the biggest in 45 years. we have a divided nation because people like her -- and, believe me, she has tremendous faith in her heart -- tremendous hate in her heart. when she said deplorables, she meant it. when she said they are irredeemable, to me, that might have been even worse.

anderson: she said some of them are irredeemable. mr. trump: she's got tremendous hatred. this country cannot take another four years of barack obama, and that's what you're getting with her. anderson: let me follow up with you. in 2008, you wrote in one of your books that the most important characteristic of a good leader is discipline. you said if a leader doesn't have it, quote, "he or she won't be one for very long." in the days after the first debate, you sent out a series of tweets from 3:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m., including one to check out a sex tape. mr. trump: it wasn't a sex tape. when she said 3:00 in the morning -- take a look at benghazi. she said who's going to answer the call at 3:00 in the morning. she didn't answer -- 600 times where she said she was awake at 3:00 in the morning -- she also sent a tweet out at

3:00 in the morning. she said she will be awake. we are going to answer the call at 3:00 in the morning. ambassador stevens sent 600 re quests for help, and the only one she talked to was sidney blumenthal, who is her friend and not a good guy, by the way. she shouldn't be talking about that. tweeting happens to be a modern-day form of communication. you can like it or not like it. between facebook and twitter, i have almost 25 million people. it's a very effective way of communication. you can put it down, but it's a very effective form of communication. it,not unrpo -- unproud of to be honest with you. anderson: secretary clinton, does mr. trump have the discipline to be a good leader? ms. clinton: no. mr. trump: i'm shocked to hear that. [laughter] ms. clinton: it's not only my opinion. it's the opinion of many others, national security experts, republicans, former members of

congress. but it's in part because those of us who have had the great privilege of seeing this job up close and know how difficult it is, and it's not just because i watched my husband take a $300 billion deficit and turn it into a $200 billion surplus and 23 million new jobs were created and incomes went up for everybody -- everybody. african-american incomes went up 33%. and it's not just because i worked with george w. bush after 9/11. when was very proud that, i told him what the city needed, what we needed to recover, he said, you've got it, and he never wavered. he stuck with me. he stuck with me. and i and i have worked and i admire president obama. he inherited the worst financial crisis since the great depression. that was a terrible time for our country. anderson: we have to move along. ms. clinton: 5 million homes were lost. -- trillions of dollars

in family wealth was wiped out. we are back on the right track. he would send us back into recession with his tax plan -- martha: secretary clinton, we are moving to an honest question. we almost out of question. mr. trump, we are moving to an audience question. mr. trump, secretary clinton, we want to get to the audience. thank you very much, both of you. [laughter] martha: we have another audience question. beth miller has a question for both candidates. >> good evening. perhaps the most important aspect of this election is the supreme court justice. what would you prioritize as the most important aspect of selecting a supreme court justice? martha: we begin with your two minutes, secretary clinton. ms. clinton: thank you. you're right, this is one of the most important issues in this election. i want to appoint supreme court justices who understand the way the world really works, who have real life experience, who have

not just been edited law firm and maybe clerked for a judge then gotten on the bench, but maybe they tried more cases. the understand what people are up against. i think the current court has gone in the wrong direction. i would want to see the supreme court reverse citizens united and get dark, unaccountable money out of our politics. donald doesn't agree with that. i would like the supreme court to understand that voting rights are still a big problem in many parts of our country, that we don't always do everything we can to make it possible for people of color and older people and young people to be able to exercise their franchise. i want a supreme court that will stick with roe v wade and a woman's right to choose and i want a supreme court that will stick with marriage equality. donald has put forth the names of some people that he would consider, and among the ones that he has suggested are people who would reverse roe v. wade

and reverse marriage equality. i think that would be a terrible mistake and would take us backwards. i want a supreme court that doesn't always side with corporate interests. i want a supreme court that understands because you are wealthy and you can give more money to something doesn't mean you have any more rights or should have any more right than anyone else. i have very clear views about what i want to see to change the balance on the supreme court, and i regret deeply that the senate has not done its job and they have not permitted a vote on the person that president obama, a highly qualified person -- they've not given him about to be able to have the full complement -- him a vote to be able to have the full complement of nine supreme court justices. i think that was a dereliction of duty. i hope they will see their way to do it. if i am so fortunate to be president, i will immediately moved to make sure we feel that. martha: thank you, secretary clinton. thank you, you're out of time.

mr. trump. mr. trump: justice scalia, great judge, died recently. and we have a vacancy. i am looking to appoint judges very much in the mold of justice scalia. i'm looking for judges -- and i've actually picked 20 of them, so that people would see. highly active, highly thought of, and actually very beautifully reviewed by just about everybody. but people that will respect the constitution of the united states. and i think that this is so important. also the second amendment, which is totally under siege by people like hillary clinton. they will respect the second amendment and what it stands for, what it represents. so important to me. hillary mentioned something about contributions. just so you understand, so i will have in my race more than

$100 million putting of my money. i'm not taking all of this big money from all of these different corporations, like she is doing. i'm putting in more than -- by the time it's finished, i will have more than $100 million so invested -- self invested. we are doing tremendously on small donations, $61 on average or so. i asked hillary, she made $250 million by being in office. she used the power of her office to make a lot of money. $20, $25 you put $10, million into your campaign? it's that much less for your special interests. it would be a nice sign to the public. you have a lot of it. you've made a lot of it because of the fact that even in office -- that you had been in office. made a lot of it while you were secretary of state, actually.

where are you putting your money into it? martha: we are going to get onto the next -- ms. clinton: i want to quickly say i respect the second amendment. but i believe there should be conference of background checks and we should close the gun show loophole and close the online loophole. martha: we have one more question. anderson: we have one more kention from -- from about energy policy. >> what steps will your energy policy take to meet our energy needs while, at the same time, reminding -- remaining environmentally friendly and minimizing job loss for fossil fuel plant workers? mr. trump: energy is under siege by the obama administration, under absolute siege. the epa, environmental protection agency, is killing these energy companies. at foreign companies are now coming in, buying so many of our different plants, then rejiggering the plant so they

can take care of their oil. we are killing -- absolutely killing our energy business in this country. i'm all for alternative forms of energy, including wind and solar, etc. but we need much more than wind and solar. you look at our miners. miners. hillary wants to put all of them out of business. there is such a thing as clean coal. we have natural gas, unbelievable -- we have found, over the last seven years, tremendous wealth under our feet. so good, especially when you have $20 trillion in debt. i will bring our energy companies back. they will be able to compete, will make money. it will pay off our national debt, they will pay off our budget deficits which are tremendous. we're putting our energy companies out of business.

we have to bring back our workers. dumping vast amounts of steel all over the united states which is killing our steelworkers and steel companies. the epa is so restrictive that they are putting our energy companies out of business. have to put them in places like west virginia, ohio, or places like pennsylvania, and you see w doing -- it is a disgrace. ms. clinton: first of all, china steel, andy dumping

donald trump is buying it to put american plans out of business. that is something i thought about as a senator. i would have a trade prosecutor to make sure we do not get taken advantage of on china, or steel, or anything else. you know because you are in the business. the middle east still controls a lot of the crisis. the price of oil is way down. that has had a damaging effect on a lot of the oil companies. we have to remain energy independent. it gives us much more power and freedom than to be worried about what goes on in the middle east. i have a comprehensive energy

policy, but it really does include fighting climate change. i think that is a serious problem. i support moving toward more clean, renewable energy as quickly as we can. 21stnk we could be the century clean energy superpower. i'm the only candidate from the beginning who has had a plan to revitalize coal country. fathers,ers, and their and grandfathers dug those mines out. a lot of them were injured. i don't want to walk away from them. the price of coal is down worldwide. we have to look at this comprehensively. i hope you will at my entire policy. >> we have sneaked in one more

question from carl becker. >> good evening. my question to both of you is, regardless of the current rhetoric, would either of you name one positive thing that you respect in one another. applauds]laughs and >> mr. trump, would you like to go first? ms. clinton: i certainly will. i think that is a fair and important question. i respect his children. his children are incredibly able and devoted and i think that says a lot about donald. i don't agree with nearly anything else he says or does, but i do respect that. i think that is something, that

as a mother and a grandmother, is very important to me. i believe that this election has soome, in part, conflict-oriented, so intense, because there is a lot at stake. this is not an ordinary time and this is not an ordinary election. we are going to be choosing a president who will set policy years, just four or eigh but because of some of the important decisions we have to make here at home, around the world, the supreme court, energy, and so much else. there is a lot at stake. it is one of the most consequential elections we have had. that is why i try to put forward specific policies and plans. trying to get it off of the personal and on to what it is i want to do as president.

i want people to check on that themselves. so they can see, i spent 30 years, a little bit more, working to help kids and families in iowa to take that experience to the white house and do that every single day. >> mr. trump? amy: i consider -- donald: i consider her statement about my trojan -- children as a very nice comment. i am very -- as a very nice complement. i am very proud of my children. i consider that a compliment. i will say this but hillary, she does not quit, she does not giv eup. i respect that. she is a fighter. i disagree with much of what she is fighting for. i disagree with her judgment, in many cases, but she does fight hard, and she doesn't quit and she doesn't give up. i consider that to be a very good trait. >> thanks, to both of you.

anderson: i want to thank both of the candidates. this concludes the town hall meeting. our thanks to the candidates, the commission, and to everybody who watched. >> please tune in on october 19 for the final residential debate which will take place at the university of nevada, las vegas. amy: that does it for the second donald trump, hillary clinton presidential debate. it took place at washington university in st. louis. the debate moderators weree andederson cooper of cnn and martha raddatz of abc. trump and clinton will debate again on october 19 in las vegas. this is "democracy now." our special on war and peace within the presidency. this is our expanding the debate special. >> in a moment we will be

speaking to jill stein for her response to the debate but first we continue our roundtable discussion. your response to the debate, the comments that were made, in particular about syria, hillary clinton saying that the u.s. should target bone daddy -- bank dadd -- baghdadi as they did bin laden. also, the conspicuous absence of any mention of afghanistan. >> or palestine. >> yes. and just to say about afghanistan, 15 years since the u.s. invasion. >> afghanistan is our

longest-running war and neither of the mentioned it. state than itrse was in 2001. we had a performance. something that had nothing to do with policy for most of the duration. it seemed like a playgroundmud -- playground mud fight for most of it. a lot of it was not talked about. when they did, a serious fact checker would have had to be interrupting every seven seconds. a number of things that were completely false -- it is impossible to account them -- to count them. particularly trump, but also secretary quentin. starting with -- secretary clinton. the united states is a party to the war in syria. we have taken only a few thousands. trump is using syrian refugees

as a flag to scare people into voting for him. more people are killed by falling out of bed that have been killed by terrorists. i have a poster on my door. more people have been killed by toddlers with guns than jihadi terrorists in the united states. tinyctual death toll is a fraction o of the number of peoe who are accidentally killed by guns. he is using this as a red flag to terrify certain voters and it is working. support.hard base of i think that the whole issue of syria is a scandal. the united states has contributed to this mess and it is an obligation of a lot of these countries. there are a million refugees in lebanon cannot more than 1 million and george -- in lebanon.

we're talking about 5000-10,000 coming to this country. it is quite disgraceful. a country of 300 million people cannot take more than n 10,000 refugees due to a war we have been deeply engaged in for five years. >> and the issue of the muslim ban put the donald trump. from the total muslim ban to extreme vetting. >> i would love to see somebody talk about the constitution every time that he opens his mouth. he keeps saying things that are a complete violation of constitutional principles. it's like they are not violated all the time in the inner cities. these are ththe things he should be clobbered over the head with. it was a depressing evening. >> what about when he was asked by the muslim woman whoho raised the question saying that there are 3.3 million muslims in the u.s. and asking about his islamic phobic stance?

can w wehat what else say? it is true there are muslims here and they need to take the responsibility of reporting suspicious activity. he cited the san bernardino killing and december -- in december. the fact it does not seem to elicit that much condemnation. >> secretary quentin, more or less -- secretary clinton more or less of the same thing. less -- that they should bebe the eyes and ears of f law enforcement. it was a despicable performance by both of them. somebody should be saying x number of thousands of muslims have served in the armed forces, and done great things in our country. this suspicion of all muslims which is being put forward by a extreme, singer phobic,

anti-muslim -- xenophobia, anti-muslim lobby is despicable. >> when trump made the claim, she said the fbi itself says there happen reports that muslims routinely report suspicious activities in their communities. >> how can people be expected to cooperate with law enforcement when they see them spiting on them and engaging -- spyining on them and engaging in an trackman. -- entrapment. how are people to cooperate and be encouraged to do these things? amy: when hillary clinton mad e a list of people he has not apologized to, among them was mr. khan, who held up the constitution, standing next to his wife, as they talked about their son. he didn't mention khazir khan,

but mentioned that their son was an american hero and would not be dead if he would have been president. >> from supported the war. he light on this as he did on -- he lied on this as he did on several dozen things. he was in favor of the war. he told howard stern, an obscene talk show host, -- why should we be talking about these things? he spoke to another clown entertainer openly about his support for the war. amy: secretary clinton saying what she thought should happen, arm the kurds, go after baghd adi, what are your thoughts? >> the united states has been arming the kurds for a long time. to say that is to insult the audience. beenadministration has

doing that for a long time. they are tryining to kill baghdadi. >> she had nothing to say about syria partly because of this russian thing. she is caught between the horns of our policy. issue, trump makes more sense than she does. >> in what sense? >> he says that we have to do a deal with the russians in syria. he says that the russians are after isis. they are not. all they care about is keeping that regime in place. but to say, we should do a deal with the russians is what the obama administration is trying to do. it did not work out, it might not work out, but the idea of confronting the russians in syria is not a good idea. >> what about her? >> she said she would like to saisona no-fly zone and

without sending it -- and safe zone, without sending in american troops. >> that means american planes going up against russian planes. this is a tiny country. the area between aleppo and the border is 10 seconds in the air? a no-fly zone in that area means confrontation with the russians. is that what she wants? some p people do. a notch or that is a good idea. >> -- i am not sure that is such a good idea. >> how do you suggest we deal with it? >> i think we have to take steps back and look at our whole relationship with the russians since the end of the cold war? why did we build up nato into their nostrils? why was that a good idea? was it absolutely necessary to build a military alliance system

in half a dozen countries, in violation of the pledge. that is where you start turning the russians suspicious, aggressive, and dangerous. you have to rewind that whole tape. there are people who could not let go of the cold war. there are major corporations that would be severely harmed if we were not spending the dollars we are on weapons will never use. that is where you have to start. then you talk about the ukraine, and then syria. the details are important. nobody is discussing it. what should be our relationship with russia? in what ways could we deal with him and in what ways could we not? >> the moderatorsasked donald trump about his running mate mike pence declaring his support

for immediately establishing a safe zone for civilians fleeing violence. >> pence also said, if we need to, we should go up agaiainst te russian air force. the moderator quoted him. >> and donald trump declared his opposition saying that the focus should be on isis and not assa ad. when asked about the discrepancy, he replied, he and i haven't spopoken and i disagr. >> on this chance, trump is right and trump is wrong. i don't think we want a war with russia. >> you mentioned earlier, let's talk about what was not. what are the u.s. the u.s. is confronting -- what are the issues that the u.s. is confronting globally? why do you think that

israel-palestine was not mentioned? >> it was not mentioned in this debate because the two candidates do not differ that much. we have just given this enormous new aid commitment over multiple years, jacking the numbers up fromom $3.1 billion by $700 million annually. i ththink the candididates are completelyly committed to an israel-first policy. secretary clinton has a party where the base is moving in a different direction. the p people who make u up the e of the democratic party were better represented on this issue by s senator sanders. the positions that senator sanders took on palestine were remarkably refreshing. resonates with many of those ideas. you never hear them m in the

maininream mediaia. amy: bernie sanders is going around the country for hillary clinton whether he agrees with her or not. >> why with the democratic party the resistant to altering its position on israel? >> why should we be surprised that these politicians pay more fundtion to the people who the party then the people they fool every four years into voting for them. we have these people making huge donations to hillary, other billionaires making huge donations to trum p and other democratic and republican politicians. the heart of the base on the right is is very pro-israel. there is a difference. in the democratic side it is different. younger people in the jewish

community, in latino, african-american, college communities have different ideas about issues where there is lock stec unanimity -- lock step unanimity on capitol hill. >> other issues that you think should have been raised? >> china. we had secretary clinton saying nasty things about china, and donald trump saying nasty things about china. more can be said about china than that they are dumping steel and trying to shaft us economically. it is an important and growing power. it is time for people to say something other than i will make america great or do exactly what i have been doing for the next four years. we have not created a world in which there is less conflict. we've gone to war all over the

middle east, starting in 1991, the year in which the soviet union disappeared. enormous opportunities were missed and both of these candidates will misss opportunities. >> there may be a major difference between when president obama was elected and if hillary clinton were elected. people backed off when president obama was elected. all of these movements coming together, he made many promises. maybe they did not what to contribute to the racist backlash against him, like the birther movement that donald trump lead, but nobody has illusions about hillary clinton. people will not back off if she is elected. >> let's see how willing people are to hold her feet to the fire if she were elected. i think that trump made up the collapse he was facing this week

by his performance in this debate. it may not be a landslide. let's see if people are wilillig and ablele to hold her feet to e fire. in some cases, even worse. ofthank you so much, author a number of books, his most recent "brokers of deceit." as returned to los angeles, to professor kimberle crenshaw, your response to the debate. thought earlier there is no script for this. we saw unfolding what we thougut might happenen. him coming out in every way that we thought he might. atattacking both verbally and in

some w ways, his movement was quite troroubling throughout the debate. most importantly, we saw deflection, frfrom the very firt moment, when the question was asked, are you modeling the kind of behavior that t you should emulate. he could not answer that question without deflecting. how we get from the tap andnd locker room banter toto isis is exactly the formula for deflecection. i thought that hillary clinton did exactly what w we thought se might do, try to moderate between direct engagement with him and d at the same time try o rise above. as far a as her ability to get t the main point of her agenda she was able t to do that. i ththink she missed a few

opportunities especially on the question of the tape and the deflection and t the blaming especially because this week we had evidence of the fact that trump was not at all prepared to acknowledge the missteps of the criminal justice system and continued to blame the central park jogger's t the five indivividuals falsely accused. it would have been a great opportunity for her to admit to sasay something to african-americans in ththis sean where criminal injustice and police accountability is everything people are talking about. trump makes the claim that police officers aree killed evey week -- that is not true. civilians are killed every week. there was this opportunity where you wanted her to press, not just to say that he says bad things abobout people but that

this is what those bad thihings and gender on public policy. felt she shied away from it all stop that may be what we are looking at with the new party. it is a party that has to open up and make itself far more of a home for some of the refugees from the republican party. i think that is the new battle even if she does win. amy: you talked about missed opportunities, that hillary clinton could have missed things that you wanted her to say. what could she have said on the issue of police violence and the numbers killed in the last couple of years. what kind of commentnts you thik she should have m made substantively? kimbmberle: i think shshe should have acknowledged that it's not

true that this is a war on police. whendea left in many minds trump made the argument that police officers are killed every ofk - -- there were a number people killed within the past couple weeks. several just out here in los angeles. she shouould have at least said let's be clear abobout the sisituation. it would've been helpful - -- hehelpful since she is talking about women's issues to include women in the conversation about police killings. there are a number of black women who have been killed. say heher name has been liftingp this issue and the clinton campaign has yet to pick this up. she needed to create some depth in the conversation about includingnjustice, police and wrongful conditioion. it wouldld'veve been a amazing r to s say that we live in a couny

with a flawed criminal justice system, in which we cannotot rey on the typical protections that we believe. i want to acknknowledge the fact that thihis h happens, i want to roll up my sleeveses and take seriously what kind of federal oversight is important and necessary to create streets that are safe for police officers, as well as civilians. and i want to appoint suprememe coururt justices recognize the civil and constitutional rights of individuals. that might have been an opportunity fo rher -- for her to turn on this idea that trump has transformed himself. he is saying thehe same things e saidid 20 years ago and that in turn is the sameme thing that hs been set for generations to justify many of the unfair practices against african-americans. amy: let's go to a clip of the

debate. this is donald trump's response after being asked about this shocking, vulgar, 2005 video of him ragging about sexually -- bragging about sexually assaulting women. donald: that was locker room talk. i am not proud of it. i have great respect for people of this country. that was something that happened. clinton,ok at bill minor words and his was action. there has never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that has been so abusive to women. amy: your response, kimberle crcrenshaw? kimberle: classic deflectioion, bubut a failure to acknowledge that this locker room banter he engagedd in was actually banter that suggested he was a seriaial

predator. the thingsgs he was talking abot our offenses. they are sexual assault. unwanted touching g which he claimed to have done repeatedly. that is not just bragging about being of playboy. that is s saying, i am aa serial abuser of wmwmeomen. he was never made t to account r the fact that what he was saying was illegal behavior. as long as he is able to frame thisis as "just talk" and generally that is ok, it denies that the talk itself is abusive and the idea that we can have a conversation in private, that does not reflect who we are, is precisely the thing that constitutes rape culture. as i have been consistently saying, this is not just rape culture, this is racist, rape

culture. if he were an african-american or latino candidate who said that is just locker room batner, it would be over for them. it should be over for trump. amy: camilli crenshaw, i want to -- kimberle crenshaw, want to thank you for being with us. professor at ucla. thank you for joining us from l.a. in a moment, we will hear from green party presidential candidate jill stein who will be joining us from st. louis. before we go to her, we wanted gysasi ross. right before we went on air, an

appeal court decision came down, sue tribe getting an injunction against the pipeline. the presidential debate so far did not raise the issue of climate change. here, at the end of the debate, an audience member asked about the fossil fuel industry and fossil fuel workers. what is your respoponse to that? gyasi: in regard to the whole debate i did not hear anything -- with regard to professor crenshaw, she mentioned that hillary clinton had the opportunity to put pressure on donald trump. she failed in those opportunities from criminal

justice reform which the newsssor said, there was that donald trump was completely not penitent regarding the central arc five -- central park five. with energy policy and climate change policy, i was glad that the questioncame u -- question came uip. she mentioned buzzwords like energy independence. what she didn't mention, and i think this whole cycle will be more known for what they dididn't s say than what they dd talk about. which he did say with regegard o energy independence is that, when we're talking about energy independence from the middle eas t, we are talking about fracking. we are talking about drilling. violating treaties.

poisoning native bodies, native -- to, at the expense make sure we have energy that is domestic. she did not mention any of that. she did not mention the ongoing controversy that was pendingng before the circuit couourt of appeals, and now the injection has been lifted and those folks in cannonball north dakota are still protecting our water sources. the didn't mention any of that or the human source -- human stories behind that. that touches on a larger theme that has unfortunately been true of many presidential elections and campaignsns. these candidates, rightly or wrongly, other than barack obama, never made native people a part of that discourse. they never normalize conversation about native people. that can be very discouragining

from somebody who is specifically supposed to be our ally. these our allies get into platforms, and have the opportunity with a specific question about energy policy, how do we reconcile sustainable energy policy while maintaining the economic development and gave it to her a as a softball. they chose not to include any of the human lives or the stories are controversies currently pending. amy: we want to thank you so much gyasi ross for being here with us. lawyer, author of "how to say i love you in indian." this is democracy now's war,

peace, and the presidency. i am amy goodman. we bring in jill stein who is in st. louis where the debate took place. she was not included. she is a 2016 presidential nominee for the green party and was also a 2012 nominee. in that first debate at hofstra university, she and her vice presidential candidate at the time were arrested as they walked on the grounds of hofstra university. the decision not to include her is made by the commission on presidential debates. gary johnson was not included, of the libertarian party. we invited him to join us today. he did not accept that invitation, but jill stein did. tomorrow on "democracy now we encourage everyone to tune in. dr. stein will be with us responding to each of the

questions the candidates were asked tonight in st. louis. overall, dr. jill stein, can you talk about your response to this debate? stein: it was pretty much as expected where donald and hillary spent a lot of time nitpicking each other, slingingmud over donald's taxes, hillary's emails, donald's abuse of women, the latest revelations that hillary belelieves in a public policy for the purpose ef public discussion, but has a private policy for the purpose of the hind the scenes discussion -- of the behind the scenes discussion with donors and insnsiders. the american people consider these two candidates the most un-trusted, and most disliked in

our history. after the revelations of the last week, and these last two debates, which have been devoid of meaningful content, i think their assessment by the american people as not likable and not trustworthy has been absolutely vindicated. this was not a good use of viewer's time and makes a mockery of what the discussion should really be and what a debate ought to look like. amy: donald trump said if he became president, he would put her in jail. your thoughts? dr. stein: i think donald trump would do that. he would put her in jail as his first move, and then investigate her. that is the scary thing. that is his respect for the democratic process. s think that there are reason

why both donald trump and hillary clinton should both be investigated. donald trump's business dealings, his failure to pay his income taxes. abusing students and workers. he has something like 3000 legal cases that are still outstanding. either suing people for being sued most of the time. oft seems to be his mode operating. hillary clinton's e-mails and her distribution of favors to big donors on the company watch while serving as secretary of state, and t then disappearing those e-mails. and on the intel server wh -- email serve where she made

public top-secret information. the fbi said that she was too big to jail because no district attorney would dare to take her on. that is not a great reason. i agree with donald trump in principle, but she ought to be investigated, not just thrown into jail. amy: you mentioned one of the things that the wikileaks l revealed about her public/private position that she articulated. what else did she lelearn about those revelations? excerpts of the speeches she gave to wall street. dr. stein: i have not seen the whole relief. another comment of great interest is what she said a couple years back to a housing industry trade group where she said that -- i think this was

for goldman sachs. i take it back. that she did not have a lot of contact with everyday people because of the extraordinary fortunes, i'm paraphrasing here there, but to that effect. because of the incredible economic fortune that she and bill have experienced. due to their connections in the world of the economic elite, serving them as the political elite. hillary clinton really represents that merger of the economic and political elite that people find so painful and objectionable about where our political system has gone in this economy that is throwing people under the bus. amy: just a quote exactly what the wikileaks revealed about the speech you mentioned. she was talking about middle-class concerns, about money. clinton said "they are kind of

far removed because of my life and the economic fortunes that my husband and i now enjoy, but i have not forgotten that. those were clinton's remarks as revealed by wikileaks last week. the about dr. stein, exchange between clinton and trump this evening on the question of syrian refugees. dr. stein: i was intermittently broadcasting, so i may not have caught all of that, but what we heard was more of what we have heard before where donald fearmongers syrian refugees and hillary rightly calls for increasing the number of refugees allowed to come to our country. i want to make the point that we 've had such a hand in

generating this crisis, not only through our intervention, our bombing, our support for rebels that are part of the terrorist network -- although we call them good terrorists, we have had a hand in the chaos in syria in a big way. we fed that fire to the catastrophe of lybia which was hillary clinton's pride and joy. she led the charge for that morass that developed. she also supported iraq. this is part of the ongoing catastrophe that both she and donald would like to have more of. we don't know what donald would like to do, but he is beating the military drum. hillary is calling for a no-fly zone. gorbachev, the former premier of the soviet union, who was

instrumental in ending the cold war, made a statement that he has never seen us so close to the verge of nuclear war and hillary wants to start an air war with russia. between the two of us, we have 2000 nuclear warheads on air trigger alert. neither hillary or donald r reality-checking at all. but with this means. what an incredibly dangerous moment this is. we need to do our part on the syrian refugees. let's stop this catastrophic.

amy: let me ask you about the issue of climate change. it was not directly asked. ththis was a town hall where may of the audience can ask questions. they were vetted by arthur raddatz and anderson cooper. we finally got to the policy in the 89th h minute of the debate, though it left a climate change. the answer revealed the fault lines in this election. trump doubled down on fossil fuel while hillary talk about a clean energy future does not leave anybody behind. her big mistake was naming natural gas as a bridge fuel. in reaeality, it is the fast lae to more climate destruction. wererunning mate and you

arrested for protesting the pipeline. right before we went to air with the debate, a federal court issues its decision, a surprise even to the tribe, that came out today on the eve of indigenous people's day, ruling against their request for an injunction for the pipeline company to keep building. that is the trigger for allowing it to continue. your thoughts on what the candidate said and what you feel is the answer. dr. stein: the candidates destructives very view that there is an energy future other than 100% renewable energy. there is no other energy future. that is the way forward. at the encampment,

it was a real inspiration. defende standing up to ,ot only their human rights their water supply -- their climate and our climate. those were the wrong arrest warrants. those arrest warrants were issued for the dakota access pipeline. those are the real vandals vandalizing mother earth. we have to be very clear about setting the record straight. this is why we need to have a re al debate. this is why this is a scam. it is a sham debate being used

to keep the american people in the dark. we are facing an all out crisis on the climate. we don't have another four years to sit around and wait. i would encourage people to stand up and not allow ourselves to be hoodwinked into a lesserre vil campaign that thinks that fracking is the answer to our energy future. the democrats would not even adopted as a voluntary plank in their platform to oppose fracking. there may be differences between these candidates, but the differences are not enough to save your life, your job, or the planet. we are the ones we have been waiting for, and it is important not to be talkeded into powerlrlessness. 43 million young people in debt

alone is enough to win this election. if they can just get word that there is a candidate that they can come out and vote for. that is a winning plurality of the vote. we can take over this election in the remaining time as donald trump continues to unravel and serious questions continue to be race about hillary clinton. it is really important for us, we the people, to be the ones informed and empowered to choose a future that we want, not just to decide who is the scariest candidate and vote against them. haspolitics of fear delivered everything we were afraid of. it is time to stand up for the politics of courage. we need to stand up, reject the lesser evil and fight for the

greater good. you said this was not a real debate. whattein: this is exactly the american people have been clamoring for. an in polls are demanding open debate. supporters don't support them,m, but are intnteny imposed to donald trump or hillary clinton. this is not what democracy looks like. it is not who we hate and fear

the most, it is an agenda. democracy needs a moral compas s. we did not hear that in this debate. thes none other than democratic and republican parties. the league of women voters quit when this commission took over. the league said that this is a fraud being perpetrated on the american voter. it is a fraud where the questions are very narrowly contained within a tame the candidates agree with each other. they agree we should have a financialized economy, that we should not tackle climate change, or bail out students, or truly take on the transpacific partnership. they agree we should have

endless, catastrophic war that continues to expand in the middle east. they agree on a health care system run for profit, not for people. this is why unit opposition parties. republicans are falling apart. their leadership has moved into -- you have a big happy family of corporate democrats and corporate republicans. we need a second independent party which is of, by, and for the people. it is the merger of bernie sanders's continuing movement and our campaign. a poll shows that there are almost as many bernie delegates that have come over into our campaign as there are supporting hillary. between hillary and donald, we are not going to hear about what truly ailes us.

the true crisis is what we need to do to fight our way out of it. amy: one last guest we have joining us from los angeles, melina abdullah who joined us today. chair of pan african studies in los angeles. how in this debate, how clinton and trump dealt with this horrifying idiot that -- horrifying video that the washington post got ahold of of donald trump explaining how he sexually assaults women. your response, melina abdullah, to what he explained i in that debate.. >> i think it was absolutely despicable what he said, but also his response and his refusal l to own up.

this idedea that it was locker room talk, this deflecting it and trying to blame isis. it is an indicatator of not just patriarchy, but white malee patriarchy. no one, other than a privileged, reresourced, w white male wouldt away with saying somethining lie that. i think it was appalling. whehere their ways s in whichch you thought t that either trumpr clinton failed to mention relevant issues or respond adequatelyly to the questions posed to them? >> absolutely.y. i think what we have missed is that thiss debate was in st.. louis. the home of mike brorown, the he of meyeyers. ththhome of powell. just this week, a 1 13-year-o boy was shot by police.

b butkfully, he survived, they missed getting into race and policing and the w way black people continue to finind ourselves under assault and under attack. both canandidates, especially trump, butut hillaryry clinton s wellll seemed uncomfortabable in talkining aboutt race. you heard donald t trump constantlyly putting "the" inn frfront of racial l categories. the african-americans, the latinos i mean hispanics. discomfort i in talking ababoute in a clear way. there is a huge naturaral disasr now. no one mentioneded haiti. almost 900 people lost their lives over r the last couple da. we a are talking tens of thousands of people without homes.

we are talking aboutut anticipating a c clera outbreae, and nono one made mention of it, which is a another indicator of the rampant racisism we see playing out in mainstream politics. one of the things cocoming out when we are talking with third-party candidates like jill stein, t that it is important to have other voices in the room. although there might be this argument that t jill stein is nt pulling well enough to i include her, her presence is important in pushihing the issues. virtualllly an hour and a half of whining and pushing back and forth. charlotte bass s s the first black woman n to run f f vice president. by said,, winin or lose, we win

raising thee i issues. they were not raised and pushed in the ways that they needed to be when we are talking about something as important as the presidency of the united states. >> let's put the question to jill stein, this issue of the video tape. violence around women. we have less than one minute for your response. was this tape, this evidence of crimes being committed? >> yes. i have not seen the tape myself. i have been in the air a lot the last couple days, but this is a horrific statement on the part of donald trump, it describes horrific abuse. this is not a trivial matter. women in out of four this country is subject to sexual violence. this is a real crisis and for someone who is aspiring to be

president of this country, to be modeling this despicable and abusive behavior is absolutely inexcusable. hillary clinton should not be given a pass on the treatment of women, or african-americans. she was quick to call out donald trump for his racacism, she hasa history herself. having passed and supported bill clinton's bill, the crime bill of the 1990's that opened the floodgates to mass incarcerations, as well as supporting the dismantling of aid to families with dependent children which has thrown over one million children and families into poverty, particularly families of color. hillary y needs to be held accountable for her track record. amy: we have to leave it there, but we will not leave it ththere with you for long.g. green party presidential nominee

and melina abdullah of california state university. thank you for joining us. tune in tomorrow to "democracy now" for a two-hour special. we will re-air tonight's debate and give jill

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