11/04/16 11/04/16 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! why they are so upset. you have seen them at the rally, these guys of the trump rallies? it is the sound of the dying dinosaur.

amy: "michael moore in trumpland." with just days before the election, we spend the hour with awaward-winning film maker and d talk about his surprise new movie, filmed before a livive audiencece at te murphy theatre in wilmingtonon, ohio, where there are 25,000 registered voters in the county and only 500 of ththem are registered democrats. >> this is not a film that is an hour and a half bashing trump. you already know everything about him. i do want to say what i'm going to vote for her. i have huge political disagreements with her. the obvious ones, the war, too cozy with wall street, etc., etc. but there are also these things about her that i think are pretty decent and good. they never get talked about. amy: all that and more, coming up. welclcome to democracy now!,

democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in turkey, the two leaders and at least 10 other lawmakers of the leftist pro-kurdish people'' democratic party, known as the hdp. it's the third largest party in the turkish parliament. social media was also reportedly shut down across the largely kurdish southeast region of turkey. this comes amid a widening crackdown in turkey. less than a week ago, the turkish government fired 10,000 civil servants, ordered 15 mostly kurdish news outlets to shut down, and raided ththe offices and detained a dozen journalists from an award-winning newspaper on terrorism charges. in a afghanistan, up to 30 civilians have been killed by nato-led coalition airstrikes near kunduz thursday morning. the u.s. called for the airstrikes in order to support the u.s. special operations soldiers and afghan troops fighting the taliban in and around the city.

later thursday afghans marched , to the local governors office, carrying the corpses of their relatives, which included women and children. this is one of the family members of the victims. >> seven people were killed from one family. my brother-in-law and all of his family were killed in this attack. see their bodies here? all members of one family. amy: these killings come afteter two u.s. soldiers were killed in kunduz earlier this week. wiwith the u.s. election is only days away, a new poll shows the majority of voters are disgusted by the election and think both major party presidential candidates hillary clinton and donald trump are dishonest. the new york times/cbs news poll also shows clinton's lead over trump has narrowed. this comes as donald trump's wife, melania, has given her first major speech since the republican national convention. in her remarks in pennsylvania she said that as first lady she , would focus on decreasing cyber bullying and toxic social media culture. >> we have to find a better way

to talk to each other, to disagree with each other, to respect each other. we must find better ways to honor and support the basic goodness of our children, especially in social media. it will be one of the main focuses of my work if i am privileged enough to become your first lady. amy: melania trump did not mention in her speech the frequent social media attacks launched by her husband, donald trump, whose combative twitter use over the years has included attacks on journalists, other -- women he has called dogs, and other candidates including hillary clinton once tweeting -- meanwhile, despite melania trump's expressed concern over social media bullying, she did not come to the aid of a journalist earlier this year who faced a barrage of death threats, holocaust references, and other anti-semitic attacks on social media after writing a

profile about melania for "gq." instead, melania said in an interview that journalist julia ioffe had provoked the harassment. in pakistan, at least 18 people have died after an oil tanker explodeded at a gadani s ship y. dozens more are still trapped inside the burning tanker, which has been ablaze since tuesdaday morning with the fuel inside the tataker contntinuously feeding e fire. at least 200 refugees have drowned off the coast of libya in the last 48 hours as tens of thousands of refugees from syria, afghanistan, iraq, somalia, south sudan, and other war-torn areas continunue to attempt the perilous trip across the mediterranean. at least 4220 refugees have died attempting this crossing so far this year -- more than in n allf 2015. in new york city, a man has died after being repeatedly tased by

a new york police sargent. police say they arrived at 49-year-old ariel galarza's apartment on wednesday after someone reported seeing a man who was emotionally disturbed holding a knife. when the police arrived, he did not have a knife but the police say he threatened them with a glass bottle. sergeant william melrose repeatedly tased galarza, who died from cardiac arrest later that night. in south carolina, judy scott, the mother of water scott, testified on the first day of the murder trial of white former police officer michael slager, who was caught on video shooting 50-year-old african american walter scott in the back as he ran away. the jury includes 11 white men and women and one black man. and in denver, colorado, jury selection is slated to begin today in thehe re-trial of clararence moses-el, an african american man who was convicted

of rape in 1987 after a woman said she dreamed he was the man who raped and beat her in the dark. moses-el has always maintained his innocence. in 2012, another man confessed to the attack. moses-el was freed in 2015, but prosecutors have decided to retry him despite the other , man's confession. to see our interview with clarence moses-el afafter he was freed, go to democracynow.org. harvard university has announced it is canceling the rest of this year's men's soccer team season after it emerged the male soccer plplayers hahad for y years maid a writtenen scoutining r reporte women'n's sosoccer team. the men ranked the women's appearances using pictures, numbers, and lengthy written evaluations. they also aside each of their fellow f female students a sexul position. and those are some of the headlines.

this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. today, with the presidential election just days away, we spend the hour with the academy award winning filmmaker michael moore, the director of "roger & me," "fahrenheit 9/11," "bowling for columbine," "sicko," "capitalism: a love story," and "where to invade next." he has just released a surprise new film. it is called "michael moore in trumpland." just hours ago i sat down with , michael moore in our new york city studios. we started with a clip from the trailer of his new film. >> a lot of people say that trump is a a clolown. >> if this is anany indicationof how mr. trumump isoingng to do,t is g going to be lands widide fr trump. >> i think is going to be closo. i ththink hillary -- >> aroundd here, i a ain't heard nobody for clintnton.

>> he didn't get it handed down to him like hillary did from her parents. >> mr. president amount of first lady, michaeael moore? > micichael moore will perfoa one-man shshow tonightht. >> i really wanted to invite people w who are thinking g of voting f for donald d trump. the e ushers asksked mexixican-americicans if theheyd sit in a a special mexican section. there will be a s symbolic wawal built aroundnd them in the balconony. at a mullalah. clclose enough. three things nice about george w. bush. we're all americans, right? youmen generally don't shoot unless you deserve it. w women -- what is she doing here? the rest of europe? there like, by felicia.

you can say everything nice except for hitler's and matt lauer.r. ," i think h hillary clinton isa hell of a good woman. >> donald j. trump was sworn in today as t the 45th h presidentf the e united states. molotovt being a humanan cocktail that theyey can throw. mr. trump: i just left michael and he is a good man. he is done a good job. amy: michael filmed most of the movie and a two night stand before a live audience at the murphy theatre in wilmington, ohio. wilmington is the county seat of clinton county, ohio, but it is hardly clinton country. there are 25,000 registered voters in the county and only

500 of them are registered democrats. in a moment, michael moore will join us in our new york studio. first, a bit more from "trumpland." >> if hillary wins, the the women take over. because they don't need as -- you know what this is going to lead to. there'll be internment camps for men. hillary will have all of her, you know, wellesley students there with a clip boards checking is into the internment camp. they have to pick out a few to keep the speeches going. who are they going to pick? the smart ones and the good-looking ones. i'm looking at faces here. we all going to be in the camp. yes, you.. keep g going. you. oh, you. over here. [laughter] yes, you. keep going. you. just because he's got a good sixpack for the abs?

i was going to start going to the gym last month. now you're going to the camp. don't worry, they're going to be lots of gyms in the guy camps. that is why they're so upset. you have seen them at the rallies, these guys of the trump rallies? there like -- [groaning] dyingthe sound of the dinosaur. [groans] amy: that is michael moore in "trumpland." he is in studios in democracy now!land. how much did you have to practice that dying groan? >> we had no chance for rehearsal. we filmed it as i did it for the first time. we were supposed to be in another ohio town used of

columbus in licking county, ohio. when it was announced we were going to be there, the republicans got the board of the theater to go back on theieir wd to let us perform this there and essentially banned me from the theater. i had to find another town very quickly. it took of a, so i did not have a chance to do any rehearsal. andve spoken at colleges you have done this, too, but i've never done this -- i've never filmed this sort of thing. i wanted to do a one-man show in ththe u.s. for some time. amy: talk about the audience. who was in the audience? >> 800 seats in the theater and we recruited this audience because i wanted a good mix of people. half are hillary supporters.s. about 100, 150 trump people. there were 100 to 150 people who sasaid there were planning on nt

voting. slightht l less than 100 peoeope that were going to vote third party. i had quite a good mix of people. the trump voters -- i did not want the crazies because i did not want the show disrupted. the david duke worshipers were not in the building. we did go to union halls. i wanted to go to places to look for mostly guys, let's bebe honest, guys who used to or have voted for the democratic party. in this case, think of voting for trump. fortunately, a lot of the women in the area brought their husbands or boyfriends and most of the women in the audience were very much in favor of hillary. you could see in the show, the guy sitting there like this. but they loosened up after a while. by the end of it, i think maybe a few of them -- maybe it brought them around a little

bit. amy: you talk to them and you talk about the conservatives in the family. this is the one about everyone having a conservative in the family. >> you know, these trump voters are going to be up at 5:00 in the morning on election day. they were up at 5:00 in the morning a lot. dealey time we see 5:00 in the morning is when we are out partying all night. [applause] eveverybody in here as a conservative in the family, right? many of you brought that person with you here tonight. a brother, father, and uncle, a brother-in-law, a sisterr -- not a sister. i know. i jusust threw that in there. [laughter] they are the organized one in the family. they never lose their car keys. the conservative -- they have books w with a label by the back

door. that is the key for the car matthew mcconaughey drives. our side, we're like, this is uh, where do-- so, you want to go eat tonight? i don't care, where do you want to go? i don't know, wherever you want to go. no, you picked last time. seriously -- the conservative is, get in the car we're going to outback. get in there. decisive! organized! disciplined! thatave got to admire about them. amy: that is the academy award-winning film maker michael moore and he is doing a one-man show in clinton county, which is actually trump land. "michael moore in trumpland." you are not guessing about how

people think. you grew up in michigan. >> right, and still live there. i am around a lot of people who are planning to vote for donald trump. , lot of people i grew up with a lot of them are guys and women me who are of this age and -- they are angry. they are angry for justifiable reasons. they got jobs in the auto factories and they lost those jobs.. if they been able to get a anotr job, they're working for a lot less money. some are working two or three jobs. they are really angry at the system. they see trump as their human molotov cocktail where they get to go in the voting booth next tuesday and just go -- beep. to the systemand because he is told them in his own words he is going to blow it up. just sort of illegal act of terrorism.

you get to go in, vovote for a n who says he is going to blowup the system, and you who have been hurt by the system get to enjoy that. i have spent a lot of time in michigan and ohio, pennsylvania, wisconsin, what i call the brexit states. amy: explain why you call them that. >> brexit was passed in large part because the white working class of industrial england and wales voted to leave europe because they wanted to send a message. then they realized after it happened, it is like, oh, we actually have to leave europe now. yes, you do. you held your anger management views in a voting with. that is not where you take care of your r justifiable anger at e system. amy: and now they have just rolled, actually, the brititish parliamement has to vote o on t. >> right.

maybe there is a way out for them. but on tuesday, we're not voting to leave europe. if you vote for donald j. trump, you're essentially voting for america to leave america. we are asking -- you are basically saying, you know what? we want to leave behind whatever this is that we have just start over with him in charge. with him as the builder of this. to me, that is a frightening thought. amy: we will have more michael moore in a minute. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we continue our conversation with michael moore, academy award winning filmmaker. his latest film, in october surprise, is called "michael moore in trumpland." i asked him if he's ever met republican presidential hopeful donald trump. >> i have only met him once, back in 1998. i think it was a clip of it in the trailer where i was on a talk show with him. amy: whose talkshow?

>> sam ba -- roseanne barr. she came to new york for a week and she invited me to come on. donald trump is the other guest. the producer says, i'm really sorry, but mr. trump is very nervous about you being on the show and he is afraid you're going to attack him. i said, let me talk to him. he sitting in the corner, i'll go talk to him. i am michaelump, moore. i understand you are a little worried. there is nothing to worry about. 1998, so i don't know that much about trump. he built some buildings. i said, we're here to have fun with roseanne. you don't have to worry. i'm shaking his hand and it is claiming. the guy is so nervous. my job is, i have to call him down. we will have some fun. i'm trying to help the producer

out because they are afraid he is going to walk. he goes, no, no, it is just that, i just don't want to go , it'sd, you know, i said not that kind of show. don't worry will stop we go out on the show and i don't go after him on anything. i just leave him alone. when it was over, and i did not think this until actually this past year where i thought, that guy is good. i got played. he got me to not bring up any of his craft -- crap on n at show because i felt sorry for him. i thought, this guy is good. this guy did not get to where he got by being stupid. he is not stupid. me to not say anything political, do anything political , and just have, you know, a councilaugh fest on the

-- couch on the roseanne show. amy: when you made this, it was right around the time women were coming forward saying he assaulted them. it was just breaking. >> yes. actually, that performance in the film is literally for hours after the billlly bush tape is revealed. tape. just watched this i've not heard any of the pundits or anything. i just watched the tape and now on going out on stage. when you see the film, there's a portion where i talk about women of hillary's age and women of that generation who grew up in essentially the first feminist of the modern feminist era in the 1960's and early 1970's and what they went through to be feminists and the crap they had to take as a result of that. film, i i watch the know what is playing in my head is i just had watched this god-awful conversation that trump was having with billy bush. i mean,o vile and so --

let's be honest. there is nothing he said on that tape that was surprising, you know, i can't believe donald trump said these things. no. i was not surprised by billy bush, w.'s first cousin, that he was trying to pimp trump other. it was just awful. it was like summit last year with the dr. frankenstein and said, we want to create a candidate that embodies all of the worst traits of men, rich people, and white people and put them all into one candidate. and here we have donald j. trump. anyway, if you go back and watch that tape, we know the vile comments and attitude and we know now he is confessed central province -- he is a confessed sexual predator, but it is when he tries to get off the bus. he doesn't know how to get off the bus. look at the tape. he knocked on the door of the bus. i went, oh, my god, this is the first time in his life he is

ever been on a bus. this man has never ridden a bus. that should be a disqualifier for being president of the united states. no president should -- we should never elect anyone who is never been on a freaking bus. i went out on stage and performed and filmed this piece. amy: let's go in a different direction to the part of "michael moore in trumpland" were you talk about beyonce's halftime performance at the super bowl. >> anthropologist will know the moment it happens, when it was there that men were on the way out and women were on the weight in, and it was the super bowl this past year. it is halftime show, coldplay is playing one of the n nice songs. and then bruno mars came on. that sort of confused a lot of guys watching the halftime show. what is this? and then all of a sudden in the middle, outcomes jan say and 5

-- beyonce and 500 women in these uniforms with their fist clenched and raised and kicking boots on kicking the[bleep] and a was like, oh, wait, that is our game. what is she doing here? and guys know it and that is why they are the trump rallies. that is why you hear that sound -- [groaning] donald, save us. the women are coming. amy: michael? whwhat was the response fromom e audience? >> it was well received, even by the guys. the e guys know it. -- see, listen, this is not a a new thing where women are in charge or women -- 20% of our congress is female,

so the majority gender now has 20% of the power. even though there are 51% of the population. men have had to get used to this i think for a while. some of the guys are having a very hard time. even obama referenced them a couple of days ago worry said, guys, i knonow this is not something you're used to, a woman in the white house, 240 years we have done it one way. sometimes people are nervous about change and they want it a certain way, but you know what? these guys who have a problem with hillary, with women in general, they're going to have to get over it. just like when you and i were growing up, i remember my parents taking us to the south and there were signs that said colored only. then there was a law and they had to take the signs down. racism did not go away, but the proponents of it and the people who held power with these

attitudes either have to change or move out of the way because a new generation was coming up. that is what is so great about this generation, young people 18 to 35, the bernie revolution, that they are the ones in charge now. they will be in charge. i am optimistic about this because every year, 3 million 17-yeaear-old turn 18, which men they are voters. in these next four years before the next presidential election, there will be 12 million more young voters. they are not haters. the majority of these young people, that is why they're driving this whole thing. it is why we have a different society now that is not so hateful to gay people and of people of color. it doesn't mean it has gone away, but it is better because we have young people now steering the carla bit. amy: do you think of the media had given as much time to bernie sanders as they did to donald

trump, given as much time to bernie sanders as they did to the empty podium when they were waiting for donald trump for all of the months of the primary -- i mean, he was getting more people to his speeches without the help of the media megaphone and even donald trump was and hillary clinton was. do you think it is possible that it would have been very difffferent since they both represented something outside the system? >> oh, absolutely. in fact, i mean, my hope was on tuesday we would have the great decision, the choice between the socialist and the billionaire. amy: do you think is a billionaire? >> he likes to call himself that. sometimes you have to humor people that they have things that they don't have. yes, i will let him, out of respect for him as a human being. listen, oh, my god, of course i worked very hard for bernie.

i went up to burlington and campaign for him in 1990 when you firstt won for congress. i was the only quasi-a person at that time who would go up there and campaign for him. i have known h him a long time. states -- won 22 states in the primaries and caucuses. i said, i know we are all kind of bummed about this and the dnc cheaters -- cheaters him a debbie wasserman schultz, there will be more of them that will come out. we will learn a lot more. but we will set that aside for a moment and just like we have to feel some joy and celebrate what we accomplished. 22 states. in our lifetime, voted for a socialist. that was an amazing thing that happened. and then the candidate who gets nominated, hillary clinton, she adopts over two thirds of his platform as part -- well, she

puts it in her own words in terms of raising the minimum wage. she does not say free college, she says that free college. go down the list in terms of paid maternity leave, women being paidid the same as men -- all of these issues that we care about, we did not get everything ,e wanted, but we got -- listen 1998i worked for jesse jackson when he ran for president. he won a lot of primaries. dukakis was the nominee. how much of jesse's platformrm d dukakis put in as part of his? i don't remember anything. we were able to move the ball down the field. hillary did not becocome more conservative as a democrat, she became more liberal. amy: well, she was running in the primaries. >> well, now she is not going to win without us on tuesday. that is the bottom line. she is not going to win without

young people. here's one thing we know now. we know how african-americans, hispanics are going to vote. amy: are you concerned not as many african-americans are going out early voting as expected? >> that is why today hillary clinton is going to detroit because in detroit, one of the polls i read from detroit is that she had lost 11 points of african-american voters in detroit. not that they're going to trump, but probably just not going to vote. siren going a huge off in the clinton campaign because once again they have ignored certain constituencies that they should not have ignored. they took it for granted and treated bernie very poorly in the primaries about somehow she was for african-americans and he wasn't or, you know, i mean, it's all history from the time he was in college getting arrested at civil rights to administration, you know, when she her freshman year is head of the college republicans.

i felt bad for him that he had to suffer through all of those things he did as a young person to stand up when it wasn't up for in 1963 to stand certain things. amy: let's go to another clip of "michael moore in trumpland." >> i got a surprise for you tonight. someone from the trump campaign has leaked us a copy of their new ad. >> the diseases. she is have them all. pneumonia, allergies, east infection, urinary tract discomfort, pregnancy, childbirth, time of month disorder, bleeding from wherever disease and menopause. do you want a commander in chief whose lady parts are out of control? or do yoyou want a buff leleadeo wiwill he be althiest resident ever. ever. even healthier than teddy roosevelt, and he was shot in the chest. yes, there is only one candidate this year healthy enenough to

spawn an entire new breed of humans. vote trump. he never gets sick. mr. trump: i could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody and i would not lose any voters, ok? >> that sick. mr. trump: i'm donald trump and i approved this -- so -- message. amy: michael moore? >> yeah, you know, i was elected class comic when i was a senior in high school. hope. used it well, i amy: but he is doing much better than you might have thought, especially now even since you gave these speeches in ohio. >> well, yes. i said since the summer, peoeope should taken seriously. i said a year and a half ago when he announced, this is going to be the republican nominee for president. it is probably because i watch a

lot of tv, so i'i'm one e of the people on the left didirectly watched "celebrbrity apprentice" and "american idol." when it comes to voting, everyone thinks jennifer hudson won "american idol." it was fantasia. this is what can happen when americans vote. i watched "bachelorette" with caitlyn. surprises you have lived in her lifetime with elections? >> i was stunned the actor whose costar was a chimpanzee to get elected president twice. he was called tricky dicky before he was elected twice. then w. it wasn't -- amy: first your talklking about ronald reagan and then richard nixon. >> for those who had their head in the sand for three decades. amy: or just recently born. >> that's true. these were actual presidents that were elected president.

then this guy named george w. bush, during one of the debates when he was asked who the president of pakistan was he general, general -- general. we elected that guy -- well, once. the other time he wasn't elected. anything can happen in this country. it can happen in ways -- minnesota. i consider -- you have traveled the country, right? it is one of the smarter states. what i call the smart states -- oregon. amy: i just came back from north dakota. >> that is a wonderful state. anything that borders or is near canada, i don't know, there's something that comes down the people have -- i'm just saying, in minnesota, they electeded a prprofessionalal wrestler as thr governor. can donald j. trump be elected in this country as president? absolutely. i do not believe the polls. primary day in march in

michigan, that morning, i turned on the tv come all of the national polls had hillary beating bernie from eight points to 22 points. 12 hours later, bernie defeated her. ever since and i said, man, these polls, i don't trust it. do not trust it. i think there under counting t e trump support. amy: aren't they counting people who voted in the last election and most likely voters, and a lot of people outside of the system do not vote when they're disenchanted. >> that's right. the angry voter is coming out next tuesday. where i live, usually, the election is the first week of november. this is the second tuesday. does take a week of november in michigan is called -- the second week of november in michigan is called winter. the chance of their being snow is great. that means low voter turnout. is already going to be low because people are fed up with the choices. who wins a low voter turnout?

the person has the most rabid supporters. i would not call the supporters of hillary clinton rabid. i you ask people to vote -- was talked if you plan your office for the purity going to vote for? i'm going to vote for hillary. wow, there's a ringing endorsement. support goes from, yeah, i'm voting for hillary, to, yeah, screw it, i'm going to vote for hillary. amy: you take a very different type. let's go to another clip from "michael moore in trumpland." knocks on hillary? not trustworthy. how did she prove her distrust worthiness to you? did she promised to water the plants for you w while you were gone and then did not? well, she flip-flops. everybody changes. everybody evolves -- i hope they do, right?

want our trump voter friends and your tonight, we were asking them to maybe change. if you just stay in cement, it is ok, so she has learned. she fought gay marriage and then she was for it. i would rather that and staying against gay marriage. i don't think that is a bad thing. she said her iraq war vote was wrong. doess never done a thing ananything more wrong than that. "i'm sorry"actly but she is a politician. i will accept that. what are the other knocks on hillary? >> benghazi. >> she got up in the middle of the night and personally planned with isis, which she and obama created according to trump, they invented isis, and they planned this attttack to kill our pepeoe there at the consulate in benghazi. cleared of the charges six times. >> oh, that is not enough.

if you are hillary clinton, yet to be cleared eight times. the clinton foundation. thank god there's a clinton foundation. look at all of the good they have done. [applause] if what they say is true, so they get to have a meeting with hillary, what --- she is still hillary clinton. is not like they can go in and yemen.need you to bomb ok, how much did you get the clinton foundation? i gave the clinton foundation $50 million. that is not what is going on. amy: "michael moore in trumpland ." do you think you reached the people who you want to make not just don't want trump, but want to be enthusiastic about hillary? >> this is not a film spending

an hour and a half bashing trump. there's nothing more need to say about trump. i did want to say what i'm going to vote for her. i have huge political disagreements with her. the obvious ones, the war, too cozy with wall street, etc., etc., but t tre are also these things about her that i think are pretty decent and good. they never get talked bout. no person is just one way. one of my hopes -- i address hillary directly in the camera during the peace -- piece, hoping she will see this. i want to tell her we're hoping she wilill be different from the past. i'm hoping that will happen. i may be a cockeyed optimist here, i'm fully aware she is a politician and she is a clinton and all that, but i also -- there's too much at stake at

this point. look, we live in a country. canada has five political parties with 4 million people. we have two. two parties that are treated like parties. we need three and four and five to represent the broad spectrum of people. we have to fix the system. we say this every four years and then forget about it. we get to more choices. what i used to call the evil of two lessors. we're all tired of this. we can't fix it by tuesday. wem willing to accept haven't decent enough -- have a decent enough victory with what bernie sanders had to say it we're going to build on that. vote for the asked to margaret thatcher here. we're not being asked to vote for clarence thomas or whoever

the first token is that is presented to us that is always some awful choice. she is not that. in fact, i think she stood for a lot of good. health care, what she tried to do. amy: academy award-winning film maker michael moore, his new film, "michael moore in trumpland."" we will come back to our conversation in a minute. ♪ [music break] amy: "howlin' shame" by adia victoria. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman.

as we continue our conversation with michael moore, academy award winning filmmaker. his newest film is "michael moore in trumpland." he talked about hillary clinton dance on health care, something he knew well for making his jericho -- "sicko ."rumplan remember how she was vilified and attacked. she pushed ford back in 1993 and she had her head cut off and d e was totold to go b back in the e hohouse, be the firsrst lady, ,d shut up. it was brutal. do remember this? ? amy: mean people set them as with obamacare, she would not include people who are true advocates, single carare, health care foror all. >> she did not understand the politics of when you want to make something like that happen,

it has to work from the bottom-up, not the top down. had she aligned herself with grassroots activists and all that -- yes, her strategy was not good. that was her own need to take with it. when to become a senator, she took money from some pharmaceutical companinies and e wasn't that same person anymomo. so now i feel to her, if she is elected, to do the rightht thin. amy: you met her. what i was invited to the white house for a dinner when bill was the presisident. i told the story in the film about my evening at the white house. timesher a couple of since, just being in new york here at events or whatever. have you ever met her? have you ever been in the room with her? she is actually a very personable and very nice and fufunny. she is a great sense of humor.

that you otherwise would not normally see. amy: have they asked you to go ouout on the campaign trail? >> oh, god, they want nothing to do with me. amy: talk about the white house. met her and build together in 1998, the night before his impeachment. so he looked like crap. they announce you coming in the room. the person before me is a marine in dress uniform. madam firstt and lady, the chairman of general electric welch. he is in front of me. we are told, you have five seconds, shake their hand, say something nice, get the hell out of there. he does his marine grip. mr. president and madam first lady -- the marine is going, uh, michael moore? so i walk in and i shake his and

grabs my hand and goes, michael moore, oh, i just love tv nation. i love that show. i remember that one episode when you and idaho step he is recounting obscure episode. i'm thinking, these clintons are really good. like, he is a story for everybody in line. roger, i'm just your number one fan. she grabs my hand out of his hand and says, no, you're not, i am his number one fan. she takes my hand and grexit. i just want to thank you that what you wrote in that chapter in your book, the first book at that time the 1990's -- amy: your love letter to hillary? >> i felt so bad how she was being treated. she was being mocked for what she wore in her hair. she is a woman, so she gets all of this shade thrown at her. we did not call it shade back

then. anyway, she said, thank you. and the first line in that chapter -- my face is turning red -- if people knew me, i am kind of a shy person. my face is turning red. the line was, and you may have to bleep this, hillary clinton ] feminist [bleep babe. she said, i really like what you wrote and what he said about me on the "today" show. the aid things i'm holding up the line, but she won't let me go. anyway, i say little joke afterwards. basically, yes, that was my first encounter with hillary clinton and not us and one with al gore, but i met him finally like three years after he won -- i mean lost, i mean lost, i mean one. i was a national giving a speech and he heard a was there anybody me over for breakfast the next morning and it went over to his

house. theer and all our cooking eggs and bacon. the guy was so funny post up so personable. the opposite of what we saw. i could not help myself. at the end of the two hours i said, al, how can we didn't see this guy? why do we see the stiff? why didn't you be yourself? he goes, i know. i know. [laughter] amy: for all of this, michael, i want to go back to what you said about bernie's anders when n you first endorsed him. you said, hillary says bernie's planes are not realistic or pragmatic. this week she said single-payer will never, ever happen. never, ever jacob why not just give up? villars says it is not practical to offer free college for everyone. you cannot get more practical than the germans and they can do it. clinton does find ways to pay for war and tax breaks for the

rich. hillary clinton was for the war in iraq, against gay marriage, for the patriot act, for nafta, was to put ed snowden in prison. that is a lot to wrap one's head around, as ashley when you have bernie sanders as an alternative. you will be the opposite. there many good things about hillary, but it is clear she is to the right of obama and will move us backckwards, not forwar. this would be sad post up very sad. >> and then she had to run against bernie for all of those months and she had to start changing her tunune. she had to start agreeing with him because she was not going to win. even w with all of their cheatig at the dnc, all o of their superdelegates, ththere was a chance he was going to pull this off. she had to either get with the words, forin other the majority of americans were after. the majority of americans want universal single-payer health care, want a paid maternity leave, white free college for their kids -- want free college for the kids.

in order for her to pull that off, she either had to start agreeing with the majority of americans in his presence -- and his presence pushed her and pushed her towards better positions to take. we could say, that is all they are, positions. you are right. we won't know what she's going to do until she is in there. the onus is on us. on november 9, if she's elected, november 9, do we, whether the bernie revolution, green revolution, whoevever it is, doe get active right away and make sure she does the things she says she's going to do? or do we do like we did after obama got elected? there was this bigig election no elect a man whose middle name was hussein and we got him elected. it was young people who got him elected. the largt turnout in history of 18 to 35. he will say that. it was the youth vote that made that happen. we sat back.

what happened a month after obama is elected? he appoints timothy geithner is that treasury secretary and larry summers is the economic head. do you remember that feeling? nobody got active. nobody state active. there was a silence during those two years when we had the house in the senate. we thes a mistake that people, the grassroots, did not stay active and stay on his case. he goes up to capitol hill and he is cool by yahoo! -- kum bayah. he wasn't phony. we needed some of you with some boots on that was going to go up there and kick some butt and get he diddone and w and not do it. we stayed silent. we got active after her we lost the house and senate. what happened the next year? occupy wall street. a couple of years after that?

black lives matter. movements began during the obama years that are thriving today whether we call ourselves occupy wall street or not, we changed the whole dynamic and the american public understands the 1% versus the 99%. amy: as people are making their decision to vote for, and it may just not be between trump and henry clinton, it is also about whether to even go out to vote. i want to get your response to glenn greenwald of the intercept discussing heather clinton's foreign-policy. what's one of the most notable parts of clinton's approach to foreign-policy that has gotten relatively little attention is that one of the few areas where she has been openly critical of president obama has been by complaining that he has been insufficiently militaristic or belligerent or aggressive in a number of areas, in particular in syria, where he criticized him in her book and also in interviews for not doing enough in syria to stop the syrian

dictator assad from brutalizing the syrian people. she has advocated, secretary clinton has, a no-fly zone which could lead to military confrontation with russia who is flying over syria and michele flournoy in an interview made clear she believes not only in a no-fly zone, but more active boots on the ground in syria, american boots on the ground. given the russians are already there, that there is isis there, there are al qaeda elements, there is still an ongoing civil war, it would be extremely dangerous to involve the u.s. further in military involvement in syria and yet you president obama, who himself has been vevy militaristic. he has bombed seven predominantly muslim countries in the last seven years. yet secretary clinton's critique of his foreign-policy is in every case that he is not aggressive enough, not militaristic enough. syria in particular, they seem to be itching to involve the

u.s. a lot more directly and a lot more aggressively in that conflict. " that was glenn grereenwald. michael moore? >> thank god for glenn greenwald. i've said the same thing. she is a hot. she e is to the right of obama. ththat is the truth. for us to prevent whatever war she might be thinking of getting us into, we are going to have to be active. we should be that way all the time no matter w who was in the white house. but we are being given this awful choioice on tuesday of whh war do you want -- the war hillary will start or the war donald j. trump is going to start? one ofof them is going to be the president. i resent -- amy: donald j. trump just that if the clinton is going to bomb in hillary is a mess. trust me, we can't even imagine the kind of conflicts he is going to get us into.

this is a 12-year-old narcissist that is going to bebe sitting behind the desk in the oval office. with a very thin skin and a lot of hate in him. yes, we're being asked to pick a certain poison. that old exercise of, you are in a lifeboat and olli rehn for one more and it has to be either hitler or mussolini. amy: but you say it is not that choice. >> i'm not a proponent of scaring people into voting for hillary is the only reason. are aboutr ads scaring people. instead of saying positive things she's going to do -- and she's going to do positive things. the revolution needs to be there to support her when she does the right things and to challenge her when she doesn't. i say in the film, you know, if she doesn't do this, we can't wait like we did with obama. we have to be active and we are

going to run some but it against her in the next election. we're going to run people in the midterms that are going to oppose her. democrats that will oppose her in congress. we're going to have to do that. our work is not over. amy: and the fact republicans are saying the minute if elected, they will be investigating her and they're talking about possible impeachment? >> they're always going to behave like republicans. the difference between her and obama, she is not going to go out there and hold hands with them. she is not going to's kumbayayah and try to find a great compromise. she is a woman of my generation. i'm in the second half of the baby boom, she in the first half. i don't know where you fall. you are way too young to be in any baby boom. i'm just saying, if you know or you have friends i grew up in , she knows what she is been through as a woman in this sosociety. she has not forgotten this. i can't see her signing a single

piece of legislation that is going to say, we, the government, have control over your reproductive organs, or something that is when a hurt children. , the intercept, we need you. i should keep making movies. amy: in n fact, you say you may well be running in 2020? >> i said -- i will offer myself up. if s she g goes back on what she says she's going to do, if she does not adopt two thirds of bernie's positions like she says she's going to do, then either i 202o.ye will run in >> amy: michael moore. "michael moore in trumpland." that does it for the show. a very happy birthday to andre lewis! it is the big one. number 30. happy birthday. tune in tuesday for our five

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