09/18/17 09/18/17 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! >> as another tropical storm gathers strength, trump is at the u.n. and will be talking about denial. amy: as the caribbean braces for another major storm, president trump heads to address the u.n. general assembly. will he repeat his bow to pullout of the paris climate accord? our guest for the hour, nanaomi kleinn, authoror of the new boo, "no is not enough: resisting trump's shock politics and

winning ththe world we need." >> the reason why i wrote this book very quickly, for me, usually takes me five years to write a book. i did this in less than five months. i really wanted it to come out before any kind of major crisis hits the united states. amy: naomi klein speaking about climate change, the shock doctrine, and much more. her book has just been long list of for the national book award. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. scores of world leaders are writing in new york city to speak at this year's united nations general assembly. it comes amidst rising tension between u.s. and north korea. president trump is to speak to the general simply tuesday. on sunday, trump called north korea leader kim jong-un rocket man in a tweet as the white

house continues to threaten military responses to north korea's recent missile test. trump also claimed there were long lines at gas stations in north korea. it was in response to the fighting of sanctions come although, multiple news reports disputed claims. trump is planning to have a dinner with the presidents of peru, colombia, and brazil a trump tower tonight to discuss venezuela. the trump administration has the right to intervene materially in venezuela to oust president nicolas maduro. ahead of the opening of the u.n. general assembly, the trump administration is putting out conflicting information about whether the unitited statates' s to pull out of the landmark 2015 paris climate accord. on saturday, the white house doubled down on trump's threats to pull out of the climate accord. but on sunday, secretary of state rex tillerson signaled president trump may back away from this pledge. this is s tillerson speaeaking n with john dickerson on cbs'

"face the nation." >> i think the plan is for director going to consider other ways which we can go to work with partners in the paris climate accord. we want to be productive, helpful. the u.s. has a tremendous track record on reducing her own greenhouse gas emissions. if thingse's a chance get worked out, both on the voluntary site from the u.s., voluntary restrictions for the u.s., a good change, but there is a chance the u.s. could stay in the accord? >> i think under the right conditions, the president said he is o open too finding those conditions, where we can remain engaged on what we all agree is still a challenging issue. amy: in more climate related news, houston's mayor sylvester turner has tapped the former head of u.s. operations for the oil giant shell to lead houston's post-hurricane harvey recovery effort. marvin odum was the chairman of shell for eight years. he retired in 2016. hurricane harvey killed at least 82 people, flooded tens of -- flooded thousands of homes,

and d destroyed billions of dollars of property. it also o caused widespread environmental contamination, triggering a half-million-gallon gasoliline spill and t the relee of up to 5 million pounds of pollutants into the air. the u.s. military is planning to massively expand the green zone in kabul, afghanistan, signaling the u.s. war in afghanistan will continue for years to come. the planned expansion will take two years and will dramatically reshape kabul, where five milllln people live. the u.s. military is also planning to deploy thousands more u.s. troops to afghanistan. kabul has been the target of a series of deadly suicide bombings this year, including a massive bombing in may that killed more than 150 people. in yemen, residents say at least 12 civilians, including women and children, were killed in a u.s.-backed saudi-led airstrike northeast of sana'a on saturday. the ongoing conflict has killed more than 10,000 people and sparked the world's worst cholera epidemic. the trump administration is

weighing closing the u.s. embassy in cuba, which only recentntly reopenened after president obamama moved to normalize relations between the u.s. and cuba. secretary of state rex tillerson says the u.s. may cle the u.s. embassy over a host of unexplained health problems that embassy workers are suffering, including hearing loss and brain injury. the health problems appear to be caused by some form of sonic attack. cuban officials deny any involvement in the attack and are cooperating with u.s. officials to investigate the incidents. in st. louis, missouri, more than 80 people were arrested sunday in a a third straight nit of protests over the acquittal of a white former police officer for the murder of 24-year-old african american anthony lamar smith. police officer jason stockley shot and k killesmsmith 201011 after a highgh-spe c chase. the "st. louis post dispatch"

reports that during the chase , officer stockley said he was "going to kill this [bleep], don't you know it." he then told his partner to ram into the back of smith's car, which the other ofofficer does. officer stockley then apapproacs smith'h's car and fires five shots, kililling anthony lamar smith. at the time, stockley y was carrrrying bototh his service gn and a personalal ak-47, which he was not authorized to carry while on d duty. on friday, judge timothy wilson acquitted stockley of first degree mururder charges after te former officer waived his right to a jury triaial. thousandnds poured intnto the streets on friday, saturday, and sunday for massive protests. this is protester paulette wilkes. >> we need to march every day until whenever. and whenever does not have an end. every day we should protest. change has to come, and it has

to come now. we need to be out here tomorrow. we need to be out here sunday and monday into next year and the year after until a bill is written that a police no longer a andke a black man's life don't have a consesequence. amy: during high-speed chase, officer stockley reportedly said f. you to kill is mf" don't know it, but use the word. meanwhile, president trump was busy causing controversy sunday morning by retweeting a doctored video edited t to show him hittg a a golf ball that a appears to strike formemer presidenential candidate hillary clininton in e back, knockiking her over.r. trump retwtweeted ththe doctored videdeo from a twitttter user wa history of postiting anti-semitc anand transphobic memessages. many condemned trumpmp for reretweeting thehe video, inclug formerer office g government ethicscs director walter shaub, who said -- "the president of the united

states just retweeted a video vignette that imagines him assaulting his political rival. the man is unfit." spanish authorities have seized more than 1 million fliers and pamphlets promoting catalonia's upcoming independence referendum. the seizure is part of a widespread crackdown against the referendum on october 1, which spain says is illegal. the spanish government has also opened a criminal investigation into the more than 700 catalan mayors who are helping hold the referendum. on sunday, referendum supporters rallied in barcelona. this is jordi aldroguer. >> without fear, we're not afraid of police. we are here, all of us, and much more and next october 1, we will go to vote peacefully as always for our freedom. our natition, justice, democrac, freedom of expression.

amy: in bangladesh, authorities have moved to sharply restrict the movement of more than 400,000 rohingya refugees who have fled a military crackdown in neighboring burma. bangladesh authorities have instructed the refugees they cannot leave the makeshift refugee camps. authorities have also told drivers not to transport rohingyas and landlords not to rent to them. meanwhile, bangladesh and international aid groups are scrambling to build more refugee housing, as thousands of rohingyas continue to flee the violence. this is christopher lom of the international organization for migration. >> well, you know, there is now --estimated 409 thousand 400-9000 people have come across in the last three weeks. it is essential that we move ahead as quickly as we possibly can with the government's plan betweenate an area

existing settlements. i think all of the agencies or the international agencies need to move very, very quickly to get these people out of a very vulnerable situation because clearly, the coleman nation of this weather and dirty water and lack of food and a lack of a safe place to shelter is going to be -- bring about a humanitarian disaster unless we act very, very quickly. amy: in mexico, thousands of pepeople took to the streets nationwide to protest violence against women after a 19-year-old woman was found dead in the state of puebla on friday. mara fernanda castilla went missing more than a week ago after using a ride-hailing app. her body was found on friday. sunday's protest was the latest in a series of demonstrations in recent months in mexico and across latin america denouncing femicide and violence against women. isis has claimed responsibility

for a subway bombing in londonon on fridaday, which injured 30 people. british authorities say they do not have evidence isis was behind the attack. the authorities hahave now arrerested two suspectcts in the attacks, whose names have nonot been released. facebook has turned over information to special counsel robert mueller about russia's ad -- russian ad purchases during the 2016 presidential election. facebook has admitted selling $100,000 worth of advertisements to a russian company that aimed to polarize the u.s. electorate on issues of gun rights, immigration, lgbtq rights and racism. facebook turned over the information under a search warrant. and last night were the 69th annual emmy awards. comedian stephen colbert hosted the evening, making frequent jokes about president trump. during the opening act, colbert was s joined on stage by former white house prpress secretary sn spicer.

>> what really matters to donald trump is ratings. you have to have the big embers. i certainly hope we achieve that tonight. unfortunate, this point, we have no way of knowing how big our audience is. is there anyone who could say how big the audience is? sean, do you know? [laughter] >> this will be the largest ysdience to witness an emm period, both in person and around the world. amy: many on twitter pushed back against sean spicer's appearance, , saying the award ceremony h had provided a platfm for him, now a harvard fellow,w, toto normalize the r role that spicer had played in r repeatedy lying and providing false informatioion to the public whwe he served as president trump's press secretary. host stephen colbert also took

aim at president trump's history as a reality star. >> and we all know the emmy;'s mean a lot to donald trump because he was nominated multiple times for "celebrity apprentice, but he never won. why didn't you give him an emmy? if he had won, i bet he would not have run for president. so in a way, this is althohough your fault. -- this is all your fault. amy: later in the night, comedian alec baldwin, who won an emmy for playing trump on "saturday night live," mockingly dedicated his emmy award to the president. >> i suppose i should say at long last, mr. president, here is your emmy. amy: during sunday night's awards, donald glover made history, becoming the first african american to win an emmy for directing a comedy series. he won a second emmy for his lead acting role in the comedy "atlanta." actor riz ahmed became the first man of south asian descent to win an emmy for acting. he won for his role in hbo's

series "the night of." it is alwayssay, strange leaving the rewards of a story based on real-world suffering, but if this show has shown a light on some of the prejudice in our society, some of the injustice in our justice system, t then maybe that is something. amy: and african american writer lena waithe also made history when she and aziz ansari won for best writing for the comedy series "master of none." family, i see each and every one of you. the things that make us different, those are super powers. every day when you walk out the door, throw on your imaginary cave and go out there and conquer the world because the world would not be as beautiful as it is if we were not in it, and for everybody out there that showed so much love, thank you for embracing us, little indian boy from south carolina, little queeeer blackrock from the south

side of chicago. amy: and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. president trump is in new w york today attending the united nations general assembly for the first time. on tuesday, he will address the gathering of world leaders. climate change is expected to be high on the agenda at this year's general assembly. as the world leaders meet, another major storm, hurricane maria, is gaining strength in the caribbean and following a similar path as hurricane irma. hurricane warnings have already been issued for martinique, guadeloupe, dominica, st. kitts, nevis, and montserrat. the current forecast shows maria could hit puerto rico as a category-4 storm as early as wednesday. the u.s. v virgin island devastated by irma, also appear to be in line to be hit by maria. meanwhile, the "wall street journal" reported over the weekend that the trump administration is considering staying in the paris climate agreement just months after the president vowed to pull out of

it. but the white house has denied the report. on sunday, secretary of state rex tillerson signaled trump may back away from the paris accord, but national security advisor h.r. mcmaster gave a different message on "fox news sunday." >> so it is a false repeport. ththe presidenent decided to pul out t of the paris accccord bece it wasas a bad bill fothee american peoplple and because it was a battle for the eironment . he ge ththe rst popouters the abily toto ctinue pollutin and emittingarbobonithohout signifantt rucinghose lels. thpresididt is committed to e cleanest water o eth, , th cleaeast air onarthth, an erergy policthatat ruces rbon e emiions b b als provid cleleanossil fuels to genete growthn ththisountry and globall anthese priorities, he felt, we cou notot psue effeively thin thislawed agreent.

am so thatas natiol secuty advis gener h.r. mcmaster. but agn, thiis rex tillerson, the secretary of state, speaking on "face the nation." >> so i think the plan is for otheror cohen to consider ways in which we can work with partners and the paris climate accord. we want to be productive. we want to be helpful. the u.s. has a tremendous track record on reducing her own greenhouse gas emissions. >> so there's a chance if things get worked out, both on the voluntary side from the u.s., voluntary restrictions for the u.s., it could change, but also there's a a chance thehe u.s. cd stay in the accord? >> i think under the right conditions, the president said he is open to finding those conditions were we can remaiaing dates with others on what we all agree is still a challenging issue. any guy that is rex tillerson, secretary state, former head of exxonmobil. to talk more about president trump, climate change, the un's general assembly, and so much more, we are joined by naomi klein. she is a best-selling author,

journalist, and is a senior correspondent for the intercept. her most recent book is titled "no is not enough: resisting trump's shock politics and winning the world we need." she has just become a finalist for the national book award. she is also author of "this changes everything: capitalism vs. the climate" and "the shock doctrine: the rise of disaster capitalism." naomi's latest piece for the intercept is headlined, "irma won't 'wake up' climate change-denying republicans. their whole ideology is on the line." naomi, welcome back to democracy now! >> great to be with you. amy: let's start with those two clips. yet the national sicu divisor general mcmaster saying fake news, ron reports, we are continuing to pull out of the climate accord. tillerson,e wrecks saying, no, we're considering going back in. this isld not assume

just incompetence and chaos. it could be. it often is. has alwayshere been this debate summed up by this phrase in a different context, but related to why many polluters in the united states decided to be part of negotiating climate legislation, what would have been climate legislation under obama, which is "your either at the table or you are on the menu." either be at the table so you can water it down. i think it is worth remembering when trump made that address in the rose garden when he announced he was pulling out of the paris agreement, he actually did not say it was because climate was a hoax. he said it was because who's going to negotiate a better deal, like a better deal for the united states. i think what tillerson signaling is -- on amy: he had called it a chinese hoax. >> but he did not say that when

he pulled out. he said he was going to negotiate a better deal. i think we should be afraid of what trump considers a better deal. we should be afraid of what rex tillerson considers a better deal. i think what tillerson is dodoig is signaling to other world leaders, if you make enough concessions, then we might come back. so the real danger of what they're doing right now is that it signals to some of these figures, even theresa may, some of these figures who sort of position themselves as brokers between the trump administration and the rest of the world community, people who have trump's ear, that they might be able to bring the u.s. back in. as you know, amy, when the paris agreement was negotiated, there was outcry because it is insufficiently strong. because it allows countries to walk away without real ramifications. it is not legally binding. it does not even mention the

fossil fuel industry in the entire agreement. so it could be even worse. it could be even weaker. we may end up in a situation, worst-case scenario, where succeedor other players and watering down the paris agreement in order to get the u.s. back and actually fail at ththat, but from the interest of the will industry, it is a great scenario because it means that this agreement, which is ---- hs been signed by almost every country on earthth becomes weakr than it is right now. i would argue rex tillerson is not just interested in what the u.s. does about climate change, it is interested what the whole world -- when i say "it," i mean a on. let's go back to win president trump announced he is withdrawing the u.s. from the accord. paris climate pres. trump: as of today, the uniteded states will all

implementation of the nonbinding paris accord d and the draconian financial and economicic burdens the agreeeement imposes on our cocountry. this includes ending the implementation of the nationally determined contribibution and, very importatantly, the green climate fund, which is s costing fortuneed s states a vast . any code that was president trump announcing pulling out of the climate accord. before we go to break, since this will be a subject unless president trump succeeds in just changing the subject by perhaps twitting out another gif of him physically assaulting hillary clinton, you know, this made up gif of an anti-semitic tweeter and transphobic tweeter, and then diverts all of the discussion. if the issue on climate change

does contain -- continued this week, what that accord is for people to really understand. >> so it is the best the global community is been able to come up with so far, better than anything we have had so far, but really not good enough. truck in that clip talked about the nationally determined targets. what the paris agreement is is the world community coming together, setting a goal of keeping tetemperatures below wht was determined to be realally catastrophic climate change, of keeping warming below two degrees celsius above what it was before humans started burning fossil fuels on an indudustrial scale. there was a huge fight about that target because we have already warmed the planet by one degree celsius and are releasing .uch catastrophic effects so there was a push to make it more ambitiousus, to make it t . so the agreement has some

complicated language, making best efforts to meet 1.5, but definitely keeping it below two degrees celsius. the problem with the agreement is that it is made up of these nationally determined plans. so every country was able to bring their best efforts to the table, right? the centerpiece of the u.s.'s efforts was obama's clean power plan. every country brought its best effort. if you added up all of the best efforts, did not lead to that target of 1.5 to two degrees. it led to a pathway to twice that level of warming. basically, what the world leaders said was, we know what we have to do and we're willing to do roughly half that. and even that is not binding itsuse it is that within own countries. this is what is important for people to understand. this is largely a sideshow when he comes to the u.s. because trump has already announced that he is scrapping the centerpiece of the u.s.'s commitment under the paris agreement, which is a obama's clean power plan, which would accelerate the wind down

of coal in this country. scott pruitt is busily dismantling that already. has already decided it is not going to live up to the what the centerpiece -- the centerpiece of its responsibility under the paris agreement, that is what really matters whether the rest of the world follows the u.s. down this pathway of reduced ambition as opposed increased ambition. amy: so this years u.n. climate summit can be particularly importanant, especially going to the issue you were talklking about, that the u.s. now pulling out will say, well, maybe, we will see, if you somehehow weakn it further, though everyone has signed on. >> i think what the appropriate response to this renegade behavior from the trump administration, this incredibly reckless behavior, is for the rest of the world to increase its ambitions, to make up for what the u.s. is doing, and also

for subnational governments in of united states, the cities the state, to increase her ambition. that is what we saw in the immediate aftermath of trumps announcement. i think we're talking about this before, but that line when trump said he was elected by the people of pittsburgh, not the people of paris going in the mayor of pittsburgh steps forward and says, well, actually, pittsburgh voted for hillary. then he pledged to get hits per to 100% renewable energy i think by 2030. that is become of ambition we need to see in the united states at the subnationalal level as wl as outside the u.s. from countries that are led by people who are positioning themselves as climate leaders like canada, like france. it is really the opposite of this, well, how can we help you, mr. trump? how can we weaken this further so you will feel comfortable at

this table, which will be completely ineffective? there is really a choice there. with to be clear about that. amy: so you're saying it is not such a contradiction, h.r. mcmaster saying, no, we're not going to be rejoining and rex tillerson, the former head of exxonmobil who is saying, no, we will. >> he is dangling the possibility so that leaders like trudeau who want to imagine a have the power to bring trump back will weaken the agreement further, which will to the benefit of the oil industry and i would argue that rex tillerson, as a man who worked at exxon for 41 years, has the interest at heart. amy: naomi klein, author of the book "no is not enough: resisting trump's shock politics and winning the world we need." we will be back with her in a miminute. ♪ [musisic break]

amy: congratulations to our former democracycy now! produce, amy littlefield and daniel patterson, who danced to the song at their wedding on saturday. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. increasing climate chaos has given a number of celebrities to warn of the dangers of global warming. tuesday nights "hand in hand" hurricane relief telethon kicked off with a message from stevie wonder who called out climate deniers ahehead of a rendition f the classic song "stand by me." >> as we should begin to love and value our planet and anyone who believes that there is no such thing as global warming must be blind or unintelligent.

amy: the music legend beyonce called out the e effects of climate change during a speech at the telethohon. >> the affects of climate change are playing out around the world every day, just this past week, we've seen devastation from the monsoon in india, 8.1 earthquake in mexico,o, and multiple cacatastrophic hurricanes. irma alone has lefeft the structure fromom the cararibbeao flflorida to s southern unitited states will stop we have to be prepared for whatt comes next. so tonightht, we come together n a a collective e effort to r rar voices, to help our communities, to lift our spirits, and heal. amy: we're spending the hour with naomi klein, author of "no is not enough: resisting trump's shock politics and winning the world we need." just became a finalist for a national book award, or naomi did. so you had the on-site, stevie

wonder -- beyonce, stevie wonder wing in. but you have the networks hardly mentioning the word "climate change" when it comes to these her terrific event when there's any 24 hours a day on this climate chaos. one of your latest pieces, , my son asks,ke why is everything going wrong? msnbc are not. -- letting him know. not only what president trump is saying, but this lack of coverage of this issue. also, the lack of coverage of the connections between this -- these hurricanes passed in the coming ones, with fires, the storms, the droughts, and what is happening in the rest of the world which make the number of deaths in this country pale by comparison.

1300 in south asia now from floods. >> and nigeria. i think this really is the moment to explain the connections between these events because what climate scientists have been warning us about for decades is that a warmer world is an extreme world, a world of extremes that is a ricochet between too much and not enough. too much precipitation, these extreme precipitation events, not just rain but also snow. remember the bizarre storms in boston. we will have these winters with little snow companies massive snow dumps. and then not enough. not enough water. those conditions creating the perfect conditions for wildfires to burn out of control. the is a normal part of forest cycle, but what we're seeing is above and beyond that, which is why we're seeing record-breaking fires, largest fire ever recorded within n the

limits of the city of f los angeles, for instance. a plume of smoke that a couple of weeks ago reached from the pacific to the atlantic. the entire continent covered in this plume of smoke, which did not receive that much coverage because it happen as irma was bearing down on florida. this is the extreme world we are catching a glimpse of it that we have been warned about. we hear the phrase "the new normal." it is a bit misleading because i don't think there is a normal. it is precisely the unpredictability that we have to understand. and i think what a warmer world means is that fewer and fewer breaks between the extreme events. amy: so you have the houston turnerylvester announcing that he has appppoind the former shell oil company chairman and president marvin odum to the new position of

chief recovery officer for houston. turner said in a statement -- "with all the resources we have in houston for ingenuity, problem-solving and public-private partnership, it's a natural step for me to reach outside city hall to a business leader eager to assist us with our recovery from unprecedented flooding. marvin e. odum is the right person for the job, in light all of his accomplishments in dealing through the energy industry with governments far and wide; with business adversity such as the huge hit that hurricane katrina put on the oil and gas sector. " "theis goes to your book shock doctrine" when disaster strikes, how is it dealt with and what is it used as an opportunity for? >> i mean, look, we need to respond to crises like this -- their messages telling us that something is broken with the system. these are not natural disasters.

these are disasters have become unnatural, have become unnaturally catastrophic because of the ethics of climate change, but also because of the impacts of deregulation, because of inequauality of racial injnjust, and the oil industry is at the dead center of this. if we look at the way in which a storm turns from a disaster to , we seephe like harvey the impacts locally with the intersection of the floodwaters, with the deregulated oil and gas industry and petrochemical industry creating this toxic soup, as you have reported on extensively. and you also have the strength of the storm being stronger because of the global impacts of thisisndustry and d other industries as well. soso the oil and gas industry is intensifying the impact of t the storm locally because of what the industry is doing in a city like houston, and then globally because of the cumulative impacts of burning all of the

fossil fuels. and who is in charge of the reconstruction, but a former president of shell oil, one of the oil majors we now know -- we know how much global emissions, more or less, come from the handful of fossil fuel majors. dark, andd be in the not in charge. to cool industry. -- it is intensified this disaster. it is world upside down with the people most responsible who should at the very least be paying the bills for this disaster and instead are calling the shots and planning how the public's money, which is really needed, should in the same world, it would be going towards paying for a transition to 100% renewable energy as quickly as technology allows, which is in fact, very, very quickly, to be signed -- design in a fair and

just way, which would mean that the people who have gotten the worst deal, whose communities have been poisoned by this industry, who have borne the toxic burden would be first in line to o own and control their own renewable energy, to get the jobs -- making sure the workers who lose their jobs in this industry are retrained and ready to work in the clean energy economy. do we really think that shell is going to shepherd profits like that? of course not. amy: some have suggested the hurricane should be named after the companies. >> i like that idea. or we could just call them "rex." amy: i want to go to brian paris will stop he took us on a toxic tour of houston just after hurricane harvey devastated us, a toxic tour led by a presenting works s for the sierra club and works what they call the fence line community's. not frontline, but they share

the fences with, like in baytown, companies like exxon mobil. this is the environmental justice organizer brian paris. >> we're on our way to baytown. .aytown is home to exxon very, very old plants. it is the second-largest refinery exxon has. it was inundated with water during the storm. it may still be. i have not been there yet. but they had some massive flares that were documented by usa today. burning these chemicals we were just talking about, you know, during their shutdown process. amy: did the epa give them waivers to burn all of this out or all of these companies to release toxins? >> yeah, so normally, in a regular situation, they would be limited in how long they could

flare. in this case, the epa gave them a waiver so that there were no penalties for exceeding those time limitits. amy: we're looking at a sign that says "kinder morgan warning guest have line crossing." >> in just 20 feet behind it is sosomeone's home. someone lives right here. amy: that t is brian paris of , anra club and tejas environmental group, taking us through texas, a toxic tour of houston and houston ship channel. and this is as hurricane irma was gaining steam and just about to pummel the caribbean before heading to florida. donald trump used hurricane irma as an excuse to push for tax cuts to the rich. this is donald trump speaking last week in the midst of these hurricanes. pres. trump: to create prosperity, we will be discussing our plan for dramatic tax cuts and tax reform.

i think now with what has happened with the hurricane, i'm going to ask for a speed up list .f amy: a speed up on tax cuts amy: he is reiterated this since then. what is remarkable about that notnt was that irma had even made landfall yet. i have, over the years, documented some pretty e egregis cases of political leaders responding in the immediate aftermath of some kind of catastrophe, some kind of major shock, and pushing through a program agenda that actually makes the problem worse that caused the crisis. the classic example is katrina, where in the immediate aftermath of this catastrophe created by the collision of heavy weather of the kind we're seeing more of intowarmer planet slamming a weak and neglected public

sphere that cannot manage an evacuation, that abandoned people in new orleans for five days on their rooftops, in the superdome. and then the response is, well, let's get rid of the public sphere together, right? what i documented around katrina people taking a few days before they said, well, let's demolish the pubublic housing. let's nonot reopen the schools. maybe 10 days, maybe two weeks, amy. thee trump surely beat that record by calling -- i using a hurricane that had yet to make in the continental united states to say, well, this is why we need to speak up -- speed up my tax cuts. bill mckibben said, in the same world, you would be calling for covering cuts,s, not taxax cuts. it is once again a world upside down. in a m moment like this, where governments are about to be handed a multibillion dollar

cleanup bill and reconstruction bill and have already been handed that because of harvey, surely, you need more money from corporations. let's rememberer, his tax plan would give the biggest tax cut to corporations that they have had in many decades. we will see what ends up happening through the negotiations, but his original goal was to cut corporate taxes down to 15 percent. so he is bankrupting the government. how do you pay for the impacts of climate change? it is exactly the wrong approach. but what i argued in the piece you mention earlier is that it was really revealing, not just around the shock doctrine, but why the crisis of climate change is such a profound threat to the ideological right, to the people who have been advancing this radical vision of the world that joseph stiglitz has called market fundamentalism, which has

at the centerpiece, privatization, deregulation, tax cuts, offset through massive cuts to social spending -- all of it locked into these corporate-friendly trade deals and alongside a company to buy mass incarceration -- a company to buy mass incarceration. a fencing and a people who are disposed of by the economic -- that is the neoliberal agenda. and it clashes fundamentally with what we need to do in the face of the crisis because you need to tax corporations and the wealthy to pay for a pretty heavy bill that we are getting and catching a glimpse of this. of course you need to regulate corporations so o that they do't people leaving -- polluting and make the problems worse. the reason why people like trump tonight climate change is not because they found flaws in the science, it is because designs is true, then their entire ideological process as we know for the wealthy.

pieces because we need to regulate. we need toto tax the rich. we need to build the public sphere. more important, we need to transform it to where we get our energy, how we move around, reinvent our cities. there is no way that political economic project survives real climate action. that is why they deny climate change. let's not worry about what they actually think about the science. it is not about the science. it is not the consequences of the science. amy: when we come back from break, we want to talk about the kinds of things you put forward, many would think the democratic party would be puttiting this forward as an alternative for the democratic party is right now. i want to ask about health care. bernie sanders has introduced a bill for single pair h health ce in the united states, medicare for all host of hillary clinton is now coming out and speaking as she is attacked bernie sanders come also, attacked

donald trump as well. we want to talk about other issues. in fact, this is the anniversary this week and up occupy wall street here in new york. this is democracy now! our guest for the hour is naomi klein, just named as analyst for the national book award for her latest book "no is not enonough: resisting trump's shock politics and winning the world we need." stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: one of the groups members became the first muslim actor as well as the first south asian actor, to win an emmy for acting on sunday night. this is democracy now!, democracynowow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. our guest is no decline. last week, bernie sanders introduced a bill that would provide universal health care by expanding medicare to include every american. he produced the bill flanked by doctors, nurses, and some of the 's 15 democratic cosponsors.

sen. s sanders: today we begin e dedebate vital toto the future f our economy as to why it is that in the united states, we spend almost twice as much per capita on health care as any other nation on earth, and yet we have 28 million people without any health insurance and even morore who are underinsured with high deductibles and copayments. amy: that is bernie sanders. we are with naomi klein, who comes from the country of canada. naomi, your response, not only to what he is done there -- and it is fascinating what happened. two weeks before his announcement, he had no cosponsors, as usual, for each time he introduced this bill. what might be most telling is the people who jumped on board were people who might be running for president in the next election.

so they saw this as a winner. talk about this very different vision of what could be offered in america. >> rightht. i think it is incredibly encouraging d development that sanders has led in this way and that so many people see the writing on the wall.l. i think this posture of just resisting trump, just being anti-trump, this posture of "no," which is why i called the book "no is not enough," is catastrophic politically, morally, ecologically. because it is not enough to just get to where w we were before trump. because where we were before trump is what produced trump. it is the landscape that supercharged the fascist right, and it is also the landscape that failed to energize progressives in the last electoral cycle because there was not enough of an offer, not enough of an answer to the kind of fake populism that trump was

peddling. so this is not new for sanders. he is been talking about this for a long time. but it is new to have figures like cory booker, tied to the insurance industry, , looking around and going, ththis is what is needed to succeed in the political landscape. i think we need to expand that from medicare for all, clean energy for all the 100% renewable energy for the one at a percent. we are talking about more and more within the climate movement. i think we see people pushing that envelope, young people covered by daca saying, well, we're not satisfied just defending daca. we want status for all. that political ambition is increasing. it isn't just about holding the line, protecting where things were before trump, but actually getting somewhere else. i think what we need in the coming months is connecting the dots between all of these issues to really build a people's platform so we see -- and i

think we are sending to see the outlines of that, which is very exciting. i am from canada and i enjoy medicare for all. amy: why your parents -- your care for americans, left because of the vietnam war -- >> but state for the health care, yeah. no, it is absolutely true. we moved back to the united states briefly when i was a child. my father did not want to work in the american health-care system, did not want to work in a system where you had to be rich to get sick and was part of that process of building up this system -- which is under attack in canada. which is not perfect, but remains a model. there's a great deal of misinformation about the canadian system within the united states, and spread very deliberately. funding ande protection, but at its core, it is incredibly simple. i was glad to see daniel martin

standing with bernie sanders, who is one of the great defenders of the public health care system in canada making the argument what we need to do is find it better, expand it in canada, but this is fundamentally -- i've had catastrophic illness in my family and it is an amazing thing to have summit in hospital for two years and get a bill for $25 for what cable television cost or something like that. amy: him to turn to hillary clinton on cbs with lesley stahl after the release of her book "whahat happened.d." i i've been a democrat for decades and supported democrats, worked for democrats. bernieie is not a democrat. and that is not a slam. that is what he says himself. turned a lot of what h he up in the primary campaign was very hurtful in the general election against me. i see him doing the sameme thin. i see him with his supporters.

he doesn't disown the things they say -- some of my favorite democrat, people like kamala harris who is out there speaking up and speaking out and she is being attacked from the left. enough. amy: that is hillary clinton on "meet the press" on sunday bernie sanders responded to clinton's criticism. sen.n.anders: i i went all of this country. i would reminind peoplele, peope sasaid, not everybody who voted for bernie it'd of voting for hillary. no kidding. that is what happens in politics. 24% of, something like the people who voted for hillary clinton in the primaries ended up voting for john mccain. that is the nature of politics. most people vote or they want.. i worked as hard as i could do see that hillary clinton would be elected presidentnt. amy: this is an just between

hillary clinton and bernie sanders. this goes to the direction of the democratic already, which is really important. you are just about to go into what needs to happen and this is the sixth anniversary of occupy wall street when thousands zucotti park, talking about the 99% and the 1%. talk about what you see happening will step on the one hand, 15 cosponsors will probably get a little more. he had elizabeth warren and others,arris and many leahy as well, signing up. >> it is interesting timing that hillary clinton is out there sort of like repressing to to, finger-pointing -- re- prosecuting, finger-pointing while bernie sanders is out there trying to solve the underlying problem. we know that bill is not going

to pass now, but if it becomes the center bees of -- cecenterpiece of the next residential campaign, that could be v very significant.t. personally, i don't think bernie has ever looked better. the comparison is very clear there. he is taking the party exactly where it needs to o go. amy: so in terms of people organizing, we have a whole other issue, which has direct connections -- because when you look at the people hardest hit, for example, when it comes to climate change, again, it is not all equal. while many of the homes of the rich and poor got destroyed, who gets to rebuild? who gets the incentives is a whole other issue and who lives next to these chemical plants you might have further deregulated. at the issue of white supremacy, which is also a key issue after the attack in charlottesville, ,he tiki torch bearing men

hundreds of them, young man, not wearing white hoods because maybe they felt safer now. they did not have to cover their identity. it goes up to jamele kill, the espn anchor who just tweeted out the words "president trump is a was a premises." shewhitite house is saying should be fired. saying that anyone who calls the president a white supremacist. at the same time, and the last onk, he is double down talking about everyone being at fault in charlottesville. >> it is not just people being pressured to be fired, but getting death threats when they make statements like that. taylor, a wonderful writer, authoror of "likewise matter to black liberation" princeton professor, when she said the same thing faced a flurry of death threats. she had to public -- gets a

events because of it. he is signaling, trump is signaling, flirting, creating space. frankly, it is going to get worse and it is going to get worse because his economic populist argument are something he is unable to deliver on. he was never serious about that. well before he entered office when here he was campmpaigning against goldman sachs, attacking kerry and ted cruz, then appointing five former goal tax executives. coup.ged a corpororate the way his renegotiating trade else is to make things worse for workers and better for corporations. all of these grand promises about bringing the jobs back, protecting social security and health care, he has lied about all of it. he won with this toxic cocktail of racism, white the primacy, xenophobia, mixing it in with speaking to the economic

disempowerment. the reality of having been discarded in the age of globalization, he won't deliver on the economic side and it will become more important for him to deliver on the racism. so we will see more of it. amy: the question is, how are people responding? after the white supremacist march in charlottesville or he talked about very fine people, 40,000 dissented in boston on what was supposed to be a white supremacist rally and they hunkered down and a gazebo in the middle of boston common. the whole movement around statues and monuments is actually much bigger than statues and monuments, it is monumental how people around the country are saying, what do we celebrate and what do we condemn? talk about that in this last-minute. >> the other thing i think that is been very confusing to watch was there is this moment were trump is playing both sides and everybody is horrified by this. and then in the weeks that follow, there is this relentless attack on antia from the same

liberals who were horrified by that statement, where they are creating this clearer equivalency, for some reason, expending massive amounts of is thepainting antifa enemy, as people who are standing up to the fascists as them "thers to other side." even last night's moment at the emmy's the signaling this is all some big joke that everybody is inin on. this not a question of whether it was funny or not or people laugh or not. what that was signaling -- on amy: sean spicer. >> this sort of elite party that everybody is in on except you. amy: we will leave it there. folks can go to our facebook page or you will see our discussion with naomi klein from author of, "no is not enough: resisting trump's shock politics

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