epic new documentary "human flow," which is a sweeping look at the struggle of the more than 65 million refugees s worldwide. >> being a refugee is much more than a political status. it is the most perervasive kindf -- thahat can be accessed againt the human being. you are forcibly, of all aspects that would make human life not just tolerable, but meaningful in many ways. amy: we'll also get a sneak preview of his new massive new art installation that spans across new york city's boroughs. it critiques the global rise of nationalism and the closure of borders. it's called "good fences make good neighbors."." the fence is to divide.

it is about territory. about dividing to push the others away or to stop others from crossing. -- nerally, amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracycy now!, demomocracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the powerful head of the senate foreign relations committee, tennessee republican bob corker, warned sunday that trump is treating the presidency like a reality show and setting the u.s. on the path to world war iii. senator corker made the comments to "the new york times" after trump spent much of the weekend threatening war with north korea and after trump attacked corker on twitter sunday morning, saying the senator didn't have

the guts to run for reelection and claiming corker dropped out after begging unsuccessfully for trump's endorsement. that prompted corker to respond on twitter -- "it's a shame the white house has become an adult day care center. someone obviously missed their shift this morning." the president's spat with senator corker came as trump repeated threats of war against north korea throughout the weekend, tweeting -- "presidents and their administrations have been talking to north korea for 25 years, agreements made and massive amounts of money paid hasn't worked, agreements violated before the ink was dry, making fools of u.s. negotiators. sorry, but only one thing will work!" in brief comments to reporters saturday, trump was asked to clarify that remark, as well as a cryptic comment he made last week during a meeting with top generals in which he warned abouout the calm before ththe s.

>> can you clarify your comment? pres. trump: nothing to clarify. >> [indiscernible] well, you will figure that out pretty soon. amy: again, in that click, a reporter asked, what is the one thing that will work regarding north k korea? trump response, well, you will figure that t out prettyty soon. trump's threats came as north korea's central news agency accused the u.s. central intelligence agency of plotting unsuccessfully to assassinate leader kim jong-un last may. in immmmigration news, president trump said sunday he won't restore the daca program protecting hundreds of thousands of young undocumented immigrants from deportation unless lawmakers agree to expand the wall on the u.s.-mexico border and move to keep out thousands of children fleeing gang violence in central america. the senate democratic minority

leader chuck schumer called the proposal a nonstarter, tweeting -- "nancy pelosi & i told potus we were open to reasonable border security alongside dreamact -his list goes so far beyond what's reasonable." in september, president trump said the u.s. would stop renewing applications for daca -- the deferred action for childhood arrivals program, which gives nearly 800,000 undocumented immigrants permission to live and work in the united states. on the gulf coast, hurricane nate made landfall near the mouth of the mississippi river in southeastern louisiana saturday night as a category 1 storm, making a second landfall biloxi,at night near mississippi. the storm brought power outages and flooding to preserve the region, but did not result in the sorts of damage seen by the far more powerful hurricanes harvey, irma, and maria.a. canada's government has agreed to pay out 750 million canadian

dollars to i indigenous people o were separated from their families as children and put up for adoption with nonnative families. the e ogram, knonown as thee sixtieies scoop, ran from m the 1960's into the 1980's and affected as many as 30,000 children. among them was chief marcia brown martel, chief plaintiff in the lawsuit. >> i have great hope that because we have reached this plateau, that this will never, ever have been in canada again. amy: in spain, hundreds of thousands of people rarallied in barcelonona sundayay in a massie unity rally opposing indepependence for the e couny's catalonia regigion. organizers said nearly one million people attended the rally, while catalan police put the number at 350,000. in either case, the rally was larger than a mass pro-independence mobilization last week. the rally came as catalan

leaders claimed about 90% of those who voted in a banned referendum a week ago supported independence. spain's government called the independence drive unconstitutional and ordered a police crackdown on the vote , which left o over 900 people injured. in russia, police arrested more than 260 people in cities across the country sunday as protesters defified a ban onn ralallies tol for an end to corruption and open elections president 65th birthday.s the rallllies came a after a cot sentence oppososition leaderr saying he is ineligible to run for the presidency during an election next year. this is a protester who joined the protest in the easastern ci. undnderstand how important itit is when those in power are replaced in an orderly way and howow important i it is delivered out political persecution. we think it is wrong a popolitician is regularly jailed

for several days are some little things which police, especially, search for. we came here to support him. i cannotot say a supupport everything he does, but t i thik he ian altlternative f for our cocountry. amy: in the occupied west bank, thousands of israeli and palestinian women marched to the shores of the jordan river on sunday, calling for an end to jewish only settlements and four negotiated peace agreement. this is an israeli citizizen of the group women wage peace. women fromrganizing all over the country, from every side of the political spectrum who are saying enough. enough. we are no longer willing to do this. we must reach a political agreement. we must change the paradigm that we have been taught for seven decades now, where we have been told that only war will bring

peace. we don't believe ththat anymore. it h has been proven it is not true. amy: in mexico, the body of journalist edgar daniel esqueda was found friday in the central mexican city of san luis potosi, riddled with bullet wounds and showing signs of torture. esqueda's death came after the 23-year-old reporter repeatedly complained to a government-run human rights group that state police had threatened him over his journalism. in one incident, police ordered him to delete xers from his camera after he photographed the aftermath of a police shootout. esqueda is at least the 11th media worker killed in mexico this year, matching last year's record death toll. in ghana's capital city of accra, at least ven peoplele were killed and 132 others injured saturday when an explosion ripped through a state-owned liquefied natural gas station, sending a huge fireball into the night sky and setting off a secondary explosion at a nearby filling station. the blast was at least the ghth such h explosions in ghana

ovover the last four years. in 2015, similar blast in accra killed over 100 people. back in the united states, in hollywood, the weinstein company fired co-founder harvey weinstein sunday, just four days after "the new york times" reported the movie mogul was the subject of harassment and assault accusations for decades and that he paid off at least eight women who confronted him over the alleged humiliating and degrading harassment. weinstein's firing came after three members of the company's board of directors resigned, along with two of weinstein's attorneys, following the report inin "the times." in washington, d.c., a women's advocacy group set up a giant tv screenen on the national malall friday and looped a 2005 video showing donald trump boasting about sexually assaulting women. the 12-hour-long protest was organized by the group ultraviolet on the 1-year-annnniversary of ththe

first t release of ththe "access hollywood" video in which trump boasts, "when you're a a star, they let you do it grab 'em by the pussy." thisis is ultraviolet cacampaign director emma boorboor. >> we want to remind the american people who the president really is and who he said he was on that tape, a proud, so professed sexexual predator. this is a prime example of how when you elect a man who is very hostile toward women, that he is nonow in office actively pursuig an anti-i-woman agenda. amy: friday's protest came o on the same day that president trump ended a federal requirement that employer-based health insurance cover the cost of women's birth control. in charlottesville, virginia, a few dozen white nationalists carrying torches gathered near a statue of f confederate e generl robert e. lee saturday night, eight weeks after far-right protesters at a larger rally attacked anti-fascist protesters, , injuring dozenensd killing 32-year-old heather heyer.

saturday's rally was the third in charlottesville organized by white nationalist richard spencer. it came after city officials covered the statue of robert e. lee in a black tarp last month in the wake of augusts' violence and after president trumump blad both sides for the attacks, claiming t there were very fine peopople among far-right protesters. an fbi counter-terrorism unit secretly identified so-called black identity extremists as a violent threat according to a leaked document obtained by foreign policy magazine. in the report dated august 2017, the fbi's domestic terrorism analysis unit writes -- "the fbi assesses it is very likely black identity extremist perceptions of police brutality against african americans spurred an increase in premeditated, retaliatory lethal violence against law enforcement and will very likely serve as justification for such violence." civil liberties groups warn the black identity extremists designation threatens the rights

of protesters with black lives matter and other groups and have compared it t to the fbi's cointelpro program of thee 1950's, 1960's and 1970's, which targeted the civil rights movement. in utah, hundreds of protesters gathered outside salt lake city police headqdquarters sunday demanding murder charges be brought against a white police officer filmed shooting 50-year-old african american patrick harmon as he ran from police. salt lake county's district attorneyey has cleared officer clinton fox of any wrongdoing in the case, even though newly released police bodycam video clearly shows the officer shooting harmon three times in the back. a warning to viewers, this video is graphic. >> put your hands behind your back for me.

shots fired. start medical. amy: patrick harmon had been pulled over by officers for not having a light on his bicycle. after the shooting, the district attorney's office claimed that harmon said, "i'll cut you" and turned to threaten officerers wh a a knife. the claim is directly contradicted by the bodycam video. and vice president mike pence flew t to indianapolis sunday where he staged a walkout of an nfl game between the san francisco 49ers and the indianapolis colts after players on both teams held a protest against racial injustice during the national anthem. his decision to leave appeared preplanned after president trump said he asked his vice president to leave during any protest. more than 20 members of the san francisco 49ers knelt during the anthem, while colts players stood with locked arms wearing shirts reading, "we will stand for equality, justice, unity, respect, dialogue, opportunity."

this is the san francisco 49ers safety eric reid, who joined order back colin kaepernick's national anthem protest last year, speaking on sunday. >> this is about systemic oppression that has been rampant in this country for decades on top of decades. andll continue to say encourage people to educate themselves of how we got to where we are today because it did not happen overnight. itit is not going to happen overnight to fix these issues. it is disarming when everything you were raised on, everything i was raised on, was to be the best person i can be, to help people that need help, and the vice president of the united states is trying to confuse the memessage that we are trtrying o put out t there. amy: vice president pence's brief visit to annapolis cost taxpayers an estimated $250,0000 after he traveled from las vegas to indianapolis for the brief appearance at lucas oil stadium before flying back to a fundraising event in california. and those are some of the

headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in a democracy now! special, wee spend the hour with world-renowned chinese artist and activist ai weiwei. artreview magazine has called him the most powerful artist in the world. he's also been called the most dangerous man in china. ai weiwei was born in 1957 in beijing. his mother was writer gao ying and his father was the revered poet ai qing. the year after ai weiwei was born, his father was named an enemy of the people. he and his family, including one-year-old ai weiwei, were sent to a hard labor camp in the gobi desert in remote northwest china. ai weiwei spent the next 16 years of his life growing up in hard labor camps, with harsh living conditions and little formal education. the family had only one book -- a large french encyclopedia. at 19, ai weiwei and his family returned to beijing and he enrolled in beijing film academy to study animation.

there, he became part of a group of avant-garde artists organizing against government-control of the arts. their slogan -- "we demand political democracy and artistic freedom." he was also part of a small political movement of students who produced posters calling for reforms and pasted them on them on a brick wall that came to be known as the democracy wall. when the leader of that movement was sentenced to 15 years of prison, ai weiwei decided to move to new york city. it was 1981 and ai weiwei spoke no english and had $30 in his pocket. he settled in the lower east side and befriended allen ginsberg and other influential artists. he briefly studied at parsons school of design, but dropped out after his professor told him his drawings had no heart. instead, he held a string of odd jobs, working in construction, cutting grass, cleaning houses, babysitting, even winning money in atlantic city as a blackjack guru. in 1993, ai weiwei returned to china because his father was ill. he founded a highly influential architecture firm, named fake

design, and dedicated himself to art and writing. in 2008 after a massive earthquake in sichuan, china, ai weiwei launched a citizen investigation to collect the names of the more than 5000 schoolchildren who died, partially as a result of the highly shoddy government coconstruction of f the schools. ai weiwei was highly critical of the gogovernment's reresponse te earthquake, sasaying -- "they intimidate, they jail, they persecute parents who demand the truth, and they brazenly stomp on the constitution and the basic rights of man." while his citizen investigation catapulted him to international fame, it also enraged chinese government officials. in 2009, his popular blog was shut down. a few months later, police broke into his hotel room and attacked him, punching him in the face and causing cerebral hemorrhaging. he had to have emergency brain surgery, which he documented in his film "so sorry." then he launched his most famous

installation to date -- a massive mosaic of 9000 children's backpacks mounted on the exterior wall of the german art museum munich haus der kunst. the backpacks spelled out in chinese characters the words of one mother whose child was killed in the earthquake -- "she lived happily on this earth for seven years." in 2010, ai weiwei was placed under house arrest after the chinese government demolished his studio. then in 2011, he was arrested at the beijing airport and held for 81 days without any charges. chinese authorities seized his passport and r refused to return it untilil 2015. once the passport was returned, he moved to berlin, germany. he's also faced constant surveillance -- a topic which he explplored earlilier this year n his s exhibition "hansel & gretel," set in new york's park avenenue armory in which visitos are relentlelessly tracked by cameras.s. among his other famous

installations was his 2010 show "sunflower seeds" at the tate museum in london, in which ai weiwiwei filled a ha of f the museum with more ththan 100 millioion hand-pnteded porcelain susunflower seeds. he currently has a solo exhibition at the hirschhorn museum in washington, d.c. called "trace." the exhibit features 176 portraits of activists and free speech advococates made of lego bricks. he also has a major new exhibition opening next week in new york city, in which he's erecting security fences across the boroughs, including under washington square arch, to explore the rise of nationalism and the closure of borders worldwide. it's called "good fences make good neighbors." >>o divide, to set up some kind of border.

it is s about territory. about dividing to push the others away or to stop others from crossing. generally, -- amy: ai weiwei is also the director of a major new documentary on the e struggle of refugees worldwide called "human flow." for the documentary, he traveled to 23 countries, visiting dozens of refugee camps. this is the trailer, which takes us to iraq, jordan, gaza, northern greece, and kenya. >> being a refugee is much more than a political status will step it is the most northernrn greece, and kenyaya.e kind of crueltlty that canan be exerercised against a human bei. you are forcibly robbingng the human being of all aspects that would make human life not just tolerable, but meaeaningful in many ways. the more immune you are to

people suffering, that is very, veryry dangerousus. it is critical f for u us to intain the humidity. >> o over 65 milillion peoplplee world haveve been forcrcibly dispsplaced fromom their homes. >> i i've b been roaming endlesy with my son for 60 days now. nobody has shown as the way. where e am i supposed to statary new life? >> if children grow up withthout any hope, without any prprospecs for ththe future, without a any sense of them being able to make something out of their lives, then they will become very vulnerarable. >> we wewent for a stroll for fund. it is the only place to escape in the prison of gaza.

>> the officials came here. goioing to way you're get papers to continue. either you go voluntarily, or we will arrest you. witness the globall joururney of the peoeople over 3 cocountries. >> it is going to be a big challenge to recognize the world is shrinkiking and peoeople from different religions, different cultures arere going to hahave t learn to live with each other. and mcgough is the trailer for the new documentary "human flow." it is directed by ai weiwei, the internationally renowned chinese artistst. he will be back with us live

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amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the united nations says there are now more refugees worldwide than any time since world war ii. the journey a struggle at the 65 million refugees is the subject of chinese artist and dissident ai weiwei's epic new documentary called "human flow." -- 23veled to 33 countries, dozens of refugee camps. he joins us now in our new york studio. yes, the world-renowned chinese artist, dissident, activist ai weiwei. he has received so many awards, including the 2015 ambassador of conscience award from m amnesty international, the 2012 prize for creative dissent from the human rights foundation.

he is now the einstein visiting professor at the berlin university o othe arts can also director and producer of this new documentary that is opening around the country "human flow." ai weiwei, it is an honor to have you here. >> thank you. amy: talk about why he decided to make this epic film that took you across the world. you come a man, you yourself have been internally displaced in china, had to leave china. talk about your life and how it intertwines with this story in the film. i had got my passport back so i can start to travel. i went to germany. in germany, you face the reality of refugees that come to the land. it makes me wonder, who are they?

i decided to go to greece. the last one was to look at those people and how they get on the land. to lesbos?nt >> yes, in greece. i see those people. people.hildren, old some are crying. .ust an unthinkable situation come down in this little boat. then another boat. another boat. sometimes you have 30, 40 both a a day.bosts , havees me really wonder a curiosity about what is really going on in the world today. so i decided to move my studio to lesbos. 20, 30 people there. start filming.

then evenntually, we have to goo to the otheride, , turkey, anand the milele east. and then go to asia andd africa to make this film. year to us about one finish. we visited about 23 nations, 40 camps, and interviewed about 600 people. and it has 900 hours of footage. amy: so you would to the middle east as well. where did you go? >> we went first to jordan, , then oursrael, gaza iraq,lso go to afghanistan, pakistan. .ll those places amy: what did you find in gaza? situation not

people being pushed away from home, but being put in like a big jail. stay -- theyeople cannot leave. the situation is extremely difficult. the only have very little resource and many people survive from the help from the united nations. polluted. electricity, only a few hours a day. extremely difficult situation. amy: were did you go in israel? to jerusalem,went tel aviv, and the west bank,

palestine area. amy: i want to turn to a clip from "human flow," your new documentary. this ispalestine dr. cem terzi e association of bridging pepeopl. he works with syrian refugees in turkey. >> there is nothing in this agreement in favor of refugugee. turkish law s system only y alls them under the temporary protecection. rightss they havee no here. ,ne day the govevernment decides "i will send them b back." the government can do this because they'rere not defined aa refugee. no rights for them. they need job permits. they need jobs. income to buy food or

to pay their rent. amy: that is dr. cem terzi. tell us more about him and what you found. -- they have been a major force to helping the refugees in turkey. and recently, he has been fired with other professors. a year ago, they signed a peace treaty. many many -- his own life has

been threatened in turkey. the team really did a lot of work for helping refugees, to take medical care for them. and ago i want to go back to your own story, especially for young people who are tuning in around the world right now. talk about your parents. talk about what happened to you in china. >> i was born in 1957, the year my father was purged -- amy: he had been a friend -- >> the same generation, a little younger. they all spend time for the new nation was established. so he belongs to this really revolutionary group. .e studied in paris

after he came back to china, he was being put in jail for six years. .hen later, join the revolution he was criticized. it was about half billion of the intellectuals in china all being , forn the labor camps reeducation. so i grew up in these camps ,uring the counterrevolution have to do hard labor. amy: this was in the gobi desert? >> yes, in the northwest. amy: what was your understanding of what happened? as a child? -- you think, yet no way

it is like you see misery everywhere. there is no exception. years.t about 20 could not write words. beaten.ing sometimes he comes home with all poured on his head. being totally black. amy: they poured ink over his head? >> yes. a lot of meetings. they would say all kinds of bad words about him. and yes to confess his crime,

which he never committed any crime. amy: what about your mother? she also was -- >> she also had to struggle. she has to try to find something to feed the children. living underground. it is like a whole you're you're digging. the whole family living in the ground. amy: you help your father or your whole library, except for this one french encyclopedia? >> yes. one day -- my father had brought a huge collection of books, art books about impressionist, renaissance. the guard always come to our home and have to check on the books. page by page. if there is any nudity or

abstract art, they would start to really question my father. day my father said, "we have to burn all of those books because they attract so many people to come to our home." so i helpeped him to burn those books page by page because there were a lot of poetry books. a literary man. has a huge collection of books. .o we burned it amy: and the next day you were sent off to the labor camp? >> yes. soon after, sent to the labor camp. amy: so you lived in this remote area of china for how long? >> i stayed until i was 18 or 19. death,chem's

rivulet sized -- rehabilitated come and we went to beijing. amy: then you went to school? >> the universities started to open again after tenure shut down. i went to beijing film institute. amy: and you immediately got involved with politics and freedom of expression movement. >> yes, the first time trying to war called the democracy war. we put our art works or writings, our poetry on the wall. after the wall being torn down and people got involved, some of them being put in jail. that is the reason i decided to leave china. amy: you new right-of-way, you had just come out of exile, you knew what you faced doing what you did. >> yes.

it is unbelievable. after the revolution, everybody has to think about the lessons they paid for this kind of harsh political moment. then some young people started protect it from this political event. crashed.gs the students. you know, the people who are trying to make china a more progressive. amy: so you left and you came here to the united states. >> yeah. i had a chance, so i left and i come to the united states. i stayed in new york about 10 years post of amy: the lower east side? >> yes. in brooklyn. most time, the lower east side, 3rdd street.

amy: you befriended allen ginsberg? >> yes. use in the neighborhood. he went to china at the time. and after he comes back, the forgery reading in saint marks church -- the poetry reading and saint marks church. i listen to his reading any talk a lot about china. i figured out it was my father because of the story he was telling. so when he comes down, i said, you just met my father. he was very surprised. then we become friends. amy: so you ended up returning to china, despite all you adventure, because your dad was ill in 1993. >> at the time, i was telling my mom "i will never go back." i told her -- my mom was very worried when she sent me to the airport because this child has

no english. i told her, "don't worry. i'm going home." so she is kind of sad. she knows i will never come back to china. but after 12 years, i decided to go back because my father was ill. amy: and how did you operate? what kind of space did you have their then? talk about your art and ultimately what you did with the sichuan earthquake, which was about 10 years later. >> by 1993, i went back. china had some change in the people become better off. and some tall buildings in the city. the basically, it never changed the political structure.

so there is still freedom of speech. -- it isno independent .till very harsh any kind of ideas or discussion. come up with an idea to publish some underground books, to document chinese art moment. so every year, we made a book. the book has no title, just like cover, great cover, or white censorshipesting the . and those books document the underground movement of art at the time. no newspapers or magazines will talk about contemporary art. then i opened the first arctic our a in china.

-- art gallery in china to show about chinese art. made -- art2000, i show. contemporaryout young artists' work. was involvedime, i in architecture. i did a lot of architecture projects -- about 60 projects -- until i got involved with national stadium for the olympics called the bird nest. after that, i created -- quit the architecture. by 2005, at a chance to learn andto use the internet

started typing and writing articles. suddenly, i become very popular on the internet because i would write three or four articles a day. the next day i was he if you -- ied thousand articles, would see a few hundred thousand articles, reposts. the chinese nation has donation no freedom of speech. people are scared about their writing, but i openly discussed politics with my own independent view or opinion. know, foropular, you a very short time. -- i got involved with and for the sichuan earthquake 2008.

>> trying to find these 5000 students who vanished during this earthquake. and of course, that is relate to government corruption. effort and argument cases because that is a big problem in china. i would say that dislike me. of: you showed the images the children. i wanted to show images from the installation you made called "so sorry," from 2009, creating this installation called "remembering " on the facade of the munich museum. can you talk about this in germany?

that would then travel the world ? i saw it at the brooklyn museum. involved got totally a languaged of life, to express it in art context. showst time i do have our -- art shows. work relating to my research or my findings. in munich, not in brooklyn, you can see some works are really relating -- amy: you took the children's backpacks. redesigned the backpacks.

9000 backpacks. amy: and you wrote out the words of the mother? >> yes. the girl who got killed, her mom very touched. another person arguing the rights of those students. silent.y, china is i made quite a dramatic arguing about60 articles irate the sichuan earthquake. amy: and the poor architecture and the poor buildings. >> meant a lot of materials on the side with it. so have concrete proof, evidence the buildings have been collapsed. amy: you wrote out the words with a backpack, what the mother said, she looked happily for seven years in this world. -- "she lived happily for seven

years and this world." gethe said, i don't want to pension. i just want people to remember my daughghter has been living happily for seven years. amy: we're going to get a break. when we come back, what happened to you next, what launched you back into the world outside of china after you were arrested and beaten. ai w weiwei is our guest, the world-renowned chinese dissident, artist, activist. stay with us. ♪ [music break]k]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. our guest for the hour is ai weiwei. spinning the hour with world-renowned chinese artist, dissident, activist. in 2008 after the massive sichuan earthquake in china, ai weiwei launched its citizen to collect more than 500000 school children center dot partially as a result of the highly shoddy government construction of the

schools while citizen investigation catapulted him to the internationally fame, it also enraged at his government officials. in 2009,'s popular blog was shut down just of a few months later, police broke into his hotel room , attacked them, for to him in the face, causing cerebral imaging. he had emergency brain surgery, which he later documented in his film "so sorry." placed underg was house arrest after the chinese government demolishes studio. tenant 2011, arrested the beijing airport, held for 81 days without any charge, chinese authorities seized his passport, refused to turn it until 2015. -- return it until 2015 after this exhibition, what did happen to you in 2009? test as trying to do a a witness for a fellow investigators who is going to be

sentenced. to the hotel. the next day, the court will open. at midnight, a few dozen police just rushing. i think about 3:00 in the morning. they broke the door in the dark. had some argument. i feel this puncture on my face. , -- we could not appear in court until the court finished. -- i had to travel to munich. in munich, i went to the hospital. they found out i have a hemorrhage, bleeding in my brain. admitted and had an

operation. if i don't have this operation, they said i will be finished. that come the situation getting even worse. police follow me all the time. of course, they try to intimidate me. kidnapped ini was the airport and put a black hood over my face and taken to a secret location. was kind oftion, i jailed, but it is like a military base, for 81 days. now nobody knows where this location is. two soldiers were standing in front of me. kind of military soldiers. 80 centimeters away him a they would look at me like this and

stand still. .oesn't make any kind of move day and night, 24 hours a day. even when i sleep or take a shower or go to the toilet, they also have to stand right in front of me. then after going through about 50 interrogations, the crime subversive me of is state power. it is the biggest crime you can commit in china. that is what happened. amy: but they gave you your passport back in 2015. >> first, they told me i would be sentenced over 10 years because of my crime. i could believe them because compared to other people, many people have been put in jail, also sentenced, i would be much

more extreme than them. suddenly, they, said "get out. you can leave." amy: what didifference d did international solidarity make for you? >> that moment, i don't know any kind of support because it is totally sealed. you cannot get a lawyer. your family doesn't know where you are. you cannot let any i information out. it is not possible. so i don't know the strong international outcry. amy:y: both of youour lawyers ae currentltly in jail. > they are still serving time in jail. five years and 11 years. both of them. amy: even your imprisonment, your beating, you turn into an art installation. >> after i come out, many people likeioned me on what it is being in those conditions.

i find out ring which is great difficult to describe it, so i made an exact same situation in a sculpture, installation. every detail fits exactly like the reality. amy: did you photograph the police taking you? >> no, nobody can photograph it. my phone was taken away. even police think i have some photos of the location because they couldn't believe i can make the situation so real. i told them, you know, you're dealing with an artist. so i memorized all of the details in the room. amy: the iphonone that you used that you started human flow with, i mean, you're holding it right now in your hand, taking pictures and studios, you take selfies with people on their phones so they can have it. what has that phone meant to you

you? me to getfor first-hand information about what is going on in the world. and second, to reflect my expressions to the world. so it is like a mirror, but it works both ways. amy: but you also are -- the main theme of your work is surveillance, like the "handling gretel" at the armory, drone surveillance. these phones are the ultimate device for surveillance. >> it's true. it can examine the world, but also it has -- it also examines my life. , talk aboutny works surveillance.

in my house, there are about 25 cameras set up by police. also inside my room, i later found a box in electricity where it is everywhere. a veryink of me as dangerous person. amy: before we end of the show, you're back in the united states right now. though you're not living here. your film is opening across the united states. i do have to ask about president trump and his elation ship with your country, with china -- his relationship with your country, with china, and your concerns about him now? have a very active president. each day it brings surprise to the media and to people. true relationship with china, it is very hard to say.

he is going to visit china very soon. things politics, so many are hidden. you never know what is on his mind. and also start to doubt really what the united states policy or principle is. amy: look at north korea. ordealing with north korea even just dealing with mexico. the neighbor. the beautiful neighbor, called in criminals or rapipists. amy: you went to the border wall. but it is very hard to take this kind of response, to see if that is a true thinking of this man or does he really have right judgment? it is very difficult to really make any kind of analyzing about him. amy: you said yesterday at the new yorker festival, china likes him because he makes america look at. >> not only makes the u.s. look

could bring some trouble to the u.s.. it would benefit china. china has been enjoyed the 911, when thiser role talks about -- world talks about terrorist's. china had a long, peaceful development over 10 or some years. amy: are you worried about president trump triggering world war iii? >> i think the situation is quite fragile. danger,lk about the yes, there is a potential danger there. amy: we will leave it there. ai weiwei, thank you for being here. ai weiwei world-renowned chinese artist, director of the new

doctrine or "human flow." he is a major exhibition opening in new york city erecting secure defenses across -- fences

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