business. dare tryose who would and silence us, we offer you two words. time's up. that is singer janelle moent sunday night at the grammy awards. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. juan: welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. we begin today's show in afghanistan, where islamic state militants have carried out an early morning attack on a military academy in the capital of kabul, killing at least 11 troops and wounding 16. this marks the latest in a wave of deadly attacks in kabul this month. monday was already declared a national day of mourning in afghanistan after a taliban attacker drove an ambulance filled with explosives into the heart of the city on saturday, killing at least 103 people and wounding as many as 235. one week earlier, taliban

militants killed 22 people at kabul's intercontinental hotel. last week, another six people were killed in an assault claimed by the islamic state on the office of aid group save the children in the eastern city of jalalabad. saturday's attack occurred in the heart of the most secure part of kabul. this is samim and mohammad, a dutch each own small shops near the site of the attack. ofevery day there is fear attacks here and living has become very dangerous to everybody. it is not safe to live in afghanistan anymore. >> it was a really dangerous blblast and people were running everywhere. some had received injuries on their head and some on their hand and everyone was shocked. most of them were wounded by broken glass. amy: these latest attacks come as the united states has stepped up its assistance to afghan security forces and its air strikes against the taliban and other militant groups.

taliban spokesperson zabihullah mujahid said in a statement that saturday's bombing was a message to president trump. "the islamic emirate has a clear message for trump and his hand kissers that if you go ahead with a policy of aggression and speak from the barrel of a gun, don't expect afghans to grow flowers in response." the taliban refer to themselves as the islamic emirate. meanwhile, in a white house ststatement, president donald trump said saturday's bombing "renews our resolve and that of our afghan partners" to sesecure the country from militants and terrorists, and on the world to take decisive action against the taliban. trump also tweeted saturday -- "taliban targeted innocent afghans, brave police in kabul today. our thoughts and prayers go to the victims, and first responders. we will not allow the taliban to win!" for more, we go to kabul where we are joined by democracy now!

video stream by lotfullah najafizada, the news director of tolo news, a 24-hour news channel based in kabul. welcome back to democracy now! can you talk about what has taken place the last few days, this massive ambulance suicide attack on saturday that killed more than 100 people in the today in the midst of this day of mourning, another attack, this claimed by isis, killing 11 people? >> the country is going through a lot in the past week, as you said in your reporting. this indicates two things. one, there is resistance from the taliban and those who support the taliban, pakistan included, to resist the policy of the u.s. government, president trump in particular. and second is in the winter season when there is less fighting in the battlefieldsds, you see e more high profile attacks in cities like kabul and jalalabad, where the office of

save the children was attacked last week. a lot of our friends are heard. today i woke up to this gas fire on the military academy, which is in the neighborhood i live. it is unfortunate that we see a rise in casualties and attacks will stop toto be honest, we really don't know what tomorrow awaits you, so there is an unprecedented level of violence happening in the heart of the capital, which also suggests the lack of capability and also the failure of the afghan government and security institutions in particular to protect the city. juan: could you also talk about -- there are many afghani's who are blaming pakistan for this new resurgence of these kinds of attacks, claiming that pakistan is in effect trying to use the taliban, especially the haqqani

network wing of the network, as a means of getting back at the trump administration for its pressure? that the can say is taliban leadership are in and fori cities, instance, the intercontinental hotel attack, also the one in 2011, they could face confrontation with the pakistani orbers in pakistani people afghans living in pakistan. so i think the blame is very allied because -- a valid because you go after the people who plan, finance, train some of these operatives who come and put such a tragic scene at play almost now every day in places like kabul. , i: lotfullah najafizada

want to go to a clip. pakistan condemned a suspected u.s. drone strike last week which targeted an afghan refugee camp inside northwestern pakistan. officials there said the drone strike killed two alleged militants with the taliban-linked haqqani network. this is pakistan's foreign ministry spokesperson mohammad faisal. >> pakistan condemned the drone strike carried out by the resolute support mission yesterday, which targeted a refugee camp. pakistan continues to emphahasie to the u.s., the importance of sharing actionable intelligence so that appropriate action is taken against terrorists by our sources within our territory. pakistan has also been stressing the need of early repatriation of refugees as their presence in pakistan helps iran terrorist to morph among them. such unilateral actions are

detrimental to the spirit of cooperation between the two countries in the fight against terrorism. , couldtfullah najafizada you comment on that drone strike and also explain the role that pakistan is playing in your country in afghanistan? should ben casualties condemned everywhere, including pakistan. pakistani people were afghan refugees should be protected. not harmed in such attacks. but at the same time, militants should be targeted, and those who wawage war. afghan people come also pakistani people, regardless of where they live and where they are, i think the argument that what the afghan government has been saying for years, now the united states government as well, that the safe havens provided for the haqqani network, television, and other

militant groups across the afghan border in pakistan, --uld be stopped because they have safe havens. they can travel to countries in the gulf, finance their missions, and to be up to continue to mourn. at the same time, it is important to know that there is a wide consensus now that a political settlement is the this 16,solution to 17-year-old conflict now. juan: i want to ask about the role of the afghan security forces. the united states has spent billions of dollars now as you mentioned, over 16 years trying to rebuild the afghan security forces and yet they seem not to be able, even in the capital of thessure the safety residents and the citizens of afghanistan. policee afghan forces and

and the intelligence agency, they are paying a very high price. some days we see reports of more than 20 of them die. for ththeir country. it would be unfair to underestimate that. our securityp of agencies, of course, can be challenged and questioned. whether they are confident enough or not. for example, because of bad politics in this country, we haven't had a national security council, which is a weekly security meeting, which is the most important security meeting for the government, has that happened for the past two or three months simply because they could not agree who to invite and who not to invite in that meeting. instead of that, ministers of intelligence chief, national security adviser's, and others, whose main job a are to

focus on security, are negotiating politics with political parties. that come in for sean, has contntributed to this management of our forces. but it doesn't mean that what makeoldiers and police sacrifice on a daily basis across the country is not a valuable, isis not something tht we should not appreciate and understand. , can you explainjafizad this and let suicide attack, and a militant packed with explosives, where was it the significance of how it got in and who he killed? >> it was one of the deadliest. there were two ambulances that they got into a hospital nearby and one of them left for one direction the other left for another direction, which was closer to the old ministry of

interior building, admissions like the european union, embassy of sweden, and the netherlands, the dutch embassy, and homes to a lot of afghan mp's and other officials. checkriving at the police point, they stopped the ambulance asking where was going hospitalhere was the in that direction. and then once they were stopped and next to the checkpoint there for a lot of men waiting the registration into the police department. and that is when it was exploded. so a lot of people who died were site,ext to the blast waiting to get into one of the government buildings. and also a lot of by passersrs, pelele coming to t the nearby hospital.

so a a very crowded area. we still don't know how many people exactly are killed and wounded. i visited one of my friends in the area today who said that one of his relatives are still missing, and they don't know where he was killed in that attack us whether he was killed in that attack. his phones are not working. this is three days after the attack. you still don't know how many people were really killed. amy: in the number of yesterday's, what, over 14,000 u.s. troops and trump has promised to send well over 1000 more. can you talk about this ongoing war. with u.s., the long going more in u.s.. and we see the toll of this in afghanistan with saturday, telegram claimed responsibility and it seems to be a robbery between talaliban and isis. today, another attack and isis climbing resesponsibility. what about t the u.s. role?

that mementionn we don't have u u.s. troops in the county today anand your supportrt, we e no army or police. to theis detrimental future of afghanistan. that is detrimental to the civil society, fofor the government, president haqqani himself has that without the u.s.s. presence in the country, he won't be able to survive, his government, in six months. that is the dependency of our government and our societyty, to an extent. maybe not directly, but somehow to the presence of the american forces. what they do, these forces are stationed throughout the country helping and advising afghan forces who are engaged in about 34 provinincesof every single day. that is the magnitude of violence a and chaos.

had 100,00000we u.u.s. troops and 50,000 nato troops. 150,000. we did not have this much viololence. so we could say thisis is best t is quite a significant number, but not enough to be able to invite forces to fight this very widespread battle. juan: you say without the presence of even the u.s. troops that the present government could not stand. why is that? i mean, is it because the taliban do have much greater support in the population then we have been led to believe? why is it the government cannot control an insurgency that is supposedly doesn't have much support? >> primarily because most of our spending, especially in the defense, directly coming from

western governments, the u.s. in particular. if we take that money out, that is why said, you have no army or police in this country. the united states government is paying their salary on a monthty basis. the afghan governmentt -- that s about $4 bilillion plus. and then, of course, there is other direct spending on the civilianan side. u.s. aid is spending over $1 ,illion he y year in this county which ups the economy to grow. so the country is so poor and of course there is this battle which is happening with support from other country -- countries, but our government cannot stand that level o of pressurere. the susupport fofor the talibans veryryvery low. it is below suggest 10%. and d we have seen that throught the past decade or so. is sonot that the taliban

popular or otherer insurgent groups, it is just because other institutions are not as strong because we have through four decades of war, civil war, and chaoaos. government --e in amy: lotfullahah najafizada come of we want to thank you for being with us, joining us from afghanistan's capital kabul, news director of tolo news, a 24-hour news channel based in kabul. when we come back, michigan's attorney general has launched an investigation into michigan state. the entire board of directors of usa gymnastics is resigning after r the team dr., lalarry nassar, was sentenced up to 175 years in prison for sexual 160 young more than female athletes. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: "praying" performed by kesha at sign inept grammys, including camila cabello, cyndi lauper, andra day. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. juan: we turn now to the latest developments in the case of longtime usa gymnastics team doctor larry nassar, who last week was sentenced to up to 175 years in prison for sexually assaulting and abusing more than 160 young female athletes, including olympic gold medalists, under the guise of providing medical treatment at

michigan state university from 1997 until 2 2016. the university has faceded widespread accusations of failing to investigate the accusations against him. now the entire board of directors of usa gymnastics is resigning, and michigan state university athletic director mark hollis has announced he is retiring, only days after the president of michigan state university lou anna simon resigned amid mounting questions about whether the university ignored reports of dr. nassar's abuse. meanwhile, michigan attorney general bill schuette announced he has launched an investigation of michigan state university, where nassar was a faculty member and physician at an on-campus clinic. ththis is schuette speaking saturday. >> that a full and complete investigation of what happened at michigan state university

from the president's office down , is required. is ands investigation will continue to be independent. it will be thorough. and it be transparent will be prompt. i don't need advice from the board of trustees at msu about .ow to conduct an investigation frankly, they should be the last ones to be providing advice given their conduct throughout this entire episode. their conduct throughout this entire episode speaks for itself. juan: this comes after dr. nassar was sentenced last week to up to 175 years in prison by michigan judge rosemarie aquilina, following a week of blistering statements in court by 156 of his victims, including olympic gold medal-winning gymnasts aly raisman, simone

biles, jordyn wieber and other female athletes. the women acaccused nassar of abuse, incluluding exposing himself in front of them, rurubbing hihis genitals against their bodies, and penetrating their vaginas with his fingers. this is rachael denhollalander, the first woman to p publicly accuse larry nassar of sexual abuse, speaking inouourt. >> how much is a little girl worth? how much is the young woman worth?h? larry isis a hardd and determind sexuxual pdator.r. i knknow this fifirsthand. at a age 50 when i i suffereredm chchronic acting, larry sexual assault t to me repeatedlyndnder the e guisofof medal t treatment for neararly aeaear. he did this with mowown moer inhe room, carulully impepeectly obobructing her viviews shehe wou notot kw what he was doing. his abity y toain n my tst and e trust of my parents, his groomi andndarefully calculated bzen sexu a assau wathe rerelt of diberatat

premedited,ntention, a tholologal patterns ofbuse, befe ireversed ng walk throu l lar'exam roo dodo, and was continued to be perprateted, belelie, on a ily y bas for 1morereears until i filed a police rortt willll stop larry is the most dangous s ty of the abuser. one who is capablblof mapulating his vicmshrough cold a calculated groong methodologies representing the mo w wholeme e enting exexrnal persona as a liliveryeansns to enensu a stetey streamf young chaian to assault. --oung children to assault. while lay y is uikikely live papastis fedal senennce, he is not the onlpredator outhere. the sentce wasn't a meage about how siously asese wil beakenen. so i i ask, how much is a little girl worth? amy: larry nassar pleaded guilty to sexual assault charges. during his sentencing judge aquilina told nassar -- "i've just signed your death warrant." nassar has already been sentenced to 60 years in prison

after being convicted on child pornography charges in a separate case. congress also is investigating the matter. a house of representatives investigation will examine allegations of sexual harassment by officials in other sports, including swimming and taekwondo. well, for more, we're joined by mark alesia, a reporter with the investigative team at the indianapolis star that broke the story about dr. larry nassar's sexual abuse of gymnasts. his team also helped expose usa gymnastics' failure to report allegations of sexual abuse by coaches to authorities. alesia's most recent piece is titled "what's next for usa gymnastics? a long, tough road at best." welcome to democracy now! i think people around the country are just reeling from this story. how is it conceivable that this went on for decades? one dr. and michigan state, clearly, you show goes beyond that, what is -- what is your of how many mothers

and their daughters to families had leveled complaints against him as he abused so many, believed at least 160 young women? -- going as far back as 1997, i believe it was, adults toid go to report the abuse, and nothing happened. gymnasts went to police and nothing happened. canasts went to is you state title nine nothing happened. went to the gymnastics coach at michigan state university and nothing happened. said they women who did not think they would be believed if they came forward right.were probably then for the rest, the survivovs talked abobout this chismatitic doctor who right. was a con man, the

mamanipulator, who groomeded gis with his olympic experience and using his fame to gain trust. and the girls, now women, often said they were uncomfortable with what he was doing, but they thought to themselves, if the great larry nassar is doing it, who am i to say it is wrong? so it continued. but it is important to note, there were people who came forward and there were adults who failed these children and probably could have stopped the spectacle that we saw the last two weeks in a michigan court. juan: i am wondering if you could talk about, again, why this happened -- clearly, usa gymnastics has a huge profile in olympic sports. was at the very fear that this

money machine, this enormously influential sports, would be somehow or other scandalized that may have allowed these officials seek to keep this information down or look away from what these women were saying? because i am reminded very much of the penn state situation, the scandal of in-state. penn state football, joe paterno, was like the god of sports in pennsylvania. of course, one of his assistants, was abusing the athletes. a culture found was of fear, of secrecy throughout usa gymnastics, not only at the elite level, but even to the club level. gymnastics is a judged sport.. it is not likeke track and field where the top three finishers in the 100 meters goes to the olympics.

power at usa gymnastics was concentrated in very few people. who work hard their entire lives, five through injuries, for a chance to be on the olympic team, did not want to russell any feaththers. the other problemm is, the olympic team, the gymnastics olympic team, is chosen by committee. it is not chosen by the scores they are awarded at the below the trials. they do have olympic trials, but a committee makes the decision. youhe message is clear that don't ruffle feathers or maybe you will find yourself off the olympic team. it goes even further down than that, as a judged sport, maybe somebody does not want to ruffle feathers of a judge who might be judging a mid-level gymnastics meet.

it is a situation where a lot of these gymnastic club owners, they are small businessmen. they did not want their clubs associated with child sexual abuse, so coaches are often just fired and told to just go away. and some of them went from club to club to club and continued abusing little girls. juan: mark, could you talk about how you came on to this story? because your investigative team, as often happens in investigative projects, was looking at another aspect, more how coaches were abusing athletes, then suddenly, someone came forward and changed the direction of your investigation? >> yes. my colleague morrisette received a court case in a small town in southern georgia where usa gymnastics was being sued and accused of negligence

by a woman who had been abused by a coach. the coach, years earlier, had been on usa or should have an on usa gymnastics radar after it received complaints about him, including one that said somebody do something about this guy or he is going to rape someone. from that court case, there were a lot of documents that we were able to follow to develop the story. we worked probably six months on a story with -- also with my colleague tim evans. we published on august 4 2016, story basically saying that usa gymnastics did not report all complaints of abuse to authorities immediately, which of course, is what you should do. , mimidmorning, day of publication, we received any now from rachael denhollander.

don't know if this is going to apply to what you're doing, i was abused by a doctor at usa gymnastics, not a coach. homehe invited us to her in louisville. my colleagues and i split up the various tips. ael toened to get rach follow-up on. i went down to louisville with a photographer. what we found was pretty much what the world saw when rachael spoke last week -- stay home to my mother of three, all five and under, a lawyer, a very well spoken, very organized and diligent, and we thought, very sincere. and so from that, we wrote a story that also included a lawsuit, a civil lawsuit that was filed anonymously in

california. the person who filed it later jamieut as olympian dantzscher. well, wethat, we -- received a lot of criticism from people who supported nassar and they let us know it, but there were also a lot of survivors who came forward. the first two in or three weeks, then adjust snowballed -- then it just snowballed into the spectacle we saw last week with the searing the 56ny of one of girls. amy: it was just astounding. i think they were going to have 60 the number just snowballed perhaps the most well-known of the women to speak out against larry nassar was olympic gold medalist aly raisman. this is part of her testifying in court.

>> i'm here to facece you, larr, so you can seeee have regagained my strength. i'm no longer a victim. i'm a survivor. now is the time to acknowledge every person who sits before us now, whoho perpetrated the worst epidemic of sexual abusese in te historyy of sportrts, who is gog to be locked up for a long, long time, this monster was also the architect of policies and procedures that are supposed to protect athletes from sexual abuse. abusers, your time is up. the survivors are here standing tall and w we are not going anywhere. amy: during her testimony, the old of the gold medalist aly raisman also attacked usa gymnastics and the u.s. olympic committee for allowing the sexual abuse to continue for decades. years ago, but that is just the first reported incident we know of. if over these many years just one adult listened and had the courage and character to act, this tragedy could have been

avoided post of need or usa gymnastics, nor the u.s. oc have reached out to express of the or even office support. not even to ask, how did this happen? what do you think we can do to help? why have i and others here, probably not heard anything from the leadership of the usoc? why has the u united states olympic committetee been silent? amy: gold medalist aly raisman. i want to turnrn now to donna markham, who testified in court against dr. larry nassar. she is the mother of former gymnast chelsea markham, who was sexually abused by nassar when she was 10 years old. chelsea went on to commit suicide in 2009. 2009, she took her own life because she could not deal with the pain anymore. in marche 10 years that i lost my baby.

she was 23 years old. she would be 33 now. and every day i miss her. every day. and it all startrted with himim. it all started with him and just became worse as the years went by, until she could not deal with it anymore. amy: donna markham, the mom of chelsea markham, who took her own life after being sexually abused by nassar. as we wrap up, mark alesia, the judge in this case, a fierce advocate for the women, judge rosemarie aquilina, cleared her docket to allow more than 150 women to testify. and also became very controversial when she said "i would allow some or many people to do to him what he did to others." can you speak about her and where this all leads? >> well, yes, she certainly has come under some criticism for

how she conducted the sentencing hearing, but as someone who was there and knows some of the situation it was a where there was healing because of what she did, allowing all of these women to speak and to confront nassar, and i think that those two weeks catapulted this into people's consciousness. i mean, our reporting has been out there for quite some time and it took this woman after woman after woman, bravely giving, baring their souls and giving this searing testimony, to get people's attention. future, usahe gymnastics has to move forward with an entirely new board. they have lost a lot of their sponsors. one of the people we spoke to

for our story yesterday said that even if the implemented every -- the exact right rules and write policies as fast as possible, sponsors are still going to sit back and want to look and see howow it is goioin. soso that will take a while. and even if they do that, this person -- as this person said, they better have a good public relations strategy going into explain to the public why they are investing in usa gymnastics. amy: will others be criminally charge for covering up? >> that remains to be seen. michigan, as you reported earlier, michigan's attorney general is going to be investigating the actions of michigan state. so far, as far as we know, usa gymnastics has only had a person it hired to come in to evaluate policies and has not been

criminally investigated. although, i suppose it is possible something is going on behind the scenes that we don't know about foster amy: mark alesia, they are being with us, reporter with the investigative team at "the indianapolis star," which broke the story in 2016 about dr. larry nassar's sexual abuse of gymnasts. his team also helped expose usa gymnastitics' failure t to repot allegations of sexual abuse by coaches to authorities. alesia's most recent piece is titled "what's next for usa gymnastics? a long, tough road at best." when we come back, a new question on the 2020 census? are you u u.s. citizizen? stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: "get out of your own way" performed by award winning band u2. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman wtih juan gonzalez. juan: on friday, the trump administration said its request to add a question on citizenship status to the 2020 census is under legal review. the commerce deparartment, which oversees the census bureau, now faces a march 31 deadline to evaluate the legal basis for the controversial question's inclusion in the upcomining censusus. data from the e once-a-decade census has major implications for shaping the political landscape. the population count is used to

determine how congressional seats are distributed across the country and where hundreds of billions of federal dollars are spent. amy: critics warn that including a citizenship question on the census will deter undocumented residents from participating in the questionnaire out of fear that the government could use the information against them. for more, we're joined by ari berman, a senior writer at mother jones, a reporting fellow at the nation institute, and author of "give us the ballot: the modern struggle for voting rights in america." his new for piece for rolling stone "how the gop rigs , elections." ari berman, welcome to democracy now! are you a u.s. citizen? talk aboutut it. >> it sounds like a simple question, but experts i have talked to o say it will just roy -- given the claimant if you're with the trump administration, nobody, but noncitizens and citizens, want to answer the question for fear of how it will be used by the trump administration. if this questition is on the senses, itit will massively depressed responses among immigrant groups that will be to

fewer seats, fewer resources for areas that have lots of immigrants are particularly to a credit areas, places like new york and california, and it will shift power even more to republican areas that arere whir and were conservative. this has very, very profound implications for our democracy. the 2020 census is already facing extreme number of problems him and this will make it that much worse. juan: with the legal basis or, in terms of the constitution and congress, u.s. is supposed to count every peperson in the unid states cannot every cicitizen. >> the senses is supposed to count every person in amemerica, noncitizen or cititizen, and its a constitutionally edited accurate count. if the census is manipulated or the count is done wrong, there is no wood to fix up because the census i is supposed to o be the final word that determines how districts are drdrawn, how fedel fundnding is spent. this is onef the most important things the

federal government has done every 10 years since 1790, and facing president of threat -- unprecedented threats from lack of money to the people who might run it to this question about citizenship. it is a perfect storm. amy: who i is behind it? >> if you look to the request is coming from, the department of justice run by jeff sessions they say they need this question to enforce the voting rights act, which is hysterical bececae the trump justice departmtment s no interesest in enforcing it, t is trying to sever the votingg rights a act. thisis is a smokescreen to try o depressed responses from immigrant communities so immigrant communities get far less resources than other commodities with the senses. amy: howdy answer those who say, well, if this is about congressional representation, they should not have it, they are undocumented or they are not u.s. citizens? if it is about federal aid, they should not have it because they're not u.s. citizens? >> the c constitution clearlrlys with regarard to the census of l

persons should be counted. there was a supreme court case that came out of texas where they dealt with this question. the supreme court clearly said eta zero unanimous opinion that districts should be drawn race on all people. everyone here deserves representation. everyone here counts. when summit goes to hospital, they don't ask your citizen or not. this would radically redefine america's is cited by asking if you are a citizen or not on the census. juan: i would ask about another topic, the issue of gerrymandering, especially in of gerrymandering, especially in several states. there are several court cases now that appear to be had it to the supreme court decision on political gerrymandering. could you talk about -- gerrymandering has existed ever since districts have existed in the u.s. what is different about what is been happening in the last two years under the republicans and sosome local states? >> gerrymandering has gotten so much worse in recent years. with the maps being so sophisticated in terms of how

they're drawn and republicacansn particular targeting democrats in such sophisticated ways. you have situation in wisconsin, where my new piece in rolling stone is set, where e in 2012, demomocrats won 51% of the votes in wisconsin but republicans picked up 60 of 99 seats in iraq's -- in the status of blue. republicans are getting a minority of votes but a majority of seats. that violates basic norms of american democracy. itit violates the notion of one person, one vote. we like to think if you get the most votes come you're the winner. that is not how it works because of gerrymandering right now post of amy: explain the role of governor scotttt walker of wisconsisin. wisconsin n has been a test cas, the laboratory for the koch brothers and so many o other peopople for destroying the progressive movemenent and corruptingng democracy stuff sct walker led this effort. wiwisconsin, sincece he took ov, has passed the worst germanic in the country.y. the worst foot suppression laws,

and the worst dark money laws. what they're doing is systematically corrupting every letter of democracy to try to give republicans for power. they are turned a purple state, it gave birth to unions to social security, do so many other important progressive achievements, turned it into a laboratory for the coat others another big-money interests that have t their way and decimatatel the thingsgs that made wisconsin prorogressive state historically.. thisis is the model thatat rerepublicanans want to expoporl acacross the country. that is why i said what i said my article, because what is happening is that major ramifications. able how is it they are through more sophisticated gerrymandering able to get such large majorities, even though that minority vote? talk about thehe differerent mes theyey use. >> i talked about one state district in wisconsin that a 50-50 state district. what they did is they drew a ,istrict so a gop state senator

his house remained in his demomocratic neighborhooood, bul of his n neighbors were drawn ot of his districts. i've never even seen something like this. all of his democratic neighbors have been removed. instead, they y gave him all of the republican countryside of racine and kenosha counties. that is how they've t turned a 50-50 swing didistrict previousy into a firmly republican district. that is the cracking. i feel the packing is how republicans have gerrymandered all across. amy: what does this all mean for the 22 midterms? >> a a lot of people thihink democrats are gogoing to w win,t demomocratic chances are going o be heard by gerrymandering, , by voter suppression, by dark money. regardless of what happens with the political parties, our democracy is under attack on 70 different fronts, from gerrymandering, but are suppression, unlimited corporate spending and that is what should worry all of us.

no matter who wins the election, we're living in a rigged system right now. amy: ari berman, they get for being with us, reporting fellow a nation institute, author of "give us the ballot: the modern struggle for voting rights in america." we will link to your new piece for rolling stone "how the gop , rigs elections." democracy now! is hiring a full-time news fellow. some of your application on democrcracynow.org by february . democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to outreach@democracynow.org or mail them to democracy now! p.o. box 693 new york, new york 10013. [captioning made possible by democracy now!]

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