amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now. >> on the side come it acts as a force for the united states. is that a legitimate reason for us to maintain, to be an instrument for the u.s. global domination? i think that is a rather serious question. today, professor and

dissident, noam chomsky for the hour. nato, u.s.-russian relations, israel's new nationality law and the crisis in gaza. >> other analysts predict that by the year 2020, gaza will will be uninhabitable. that is 2 million people. amy: noam chomsky for the hour. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in california, eight people have died as wildfires fueled by climate change range statewide. among the dead art to firefighters and a 70-year-old woman with her 4 and 5-year-oldd great grandchildren.

in total, firefighters are battling 17 wildfires blazing across california, engulfing more than 200,000 acres. forcing mass evacuations in the region, including in yosemite national park. flames are surging in arizona, colorado, idaho, and oregon. more climate change news. the indian government says more than 500 people have died a result of flooding and heavy rains in recent weeks. scientists have linked increased flooding and rainfall to climate change. north korea has returned some of the remains of u.s. soldiers killed during the korean war, in the latest diplomatic step between the us and north korea. north korean leader kim jong-un agreed to the repatriation of remains during the historic summit between him and president trump last month. this is trump, speaking friday. , an airplanemoment is carrying the remains of some great fallen heroes from

america. back from the korean war. they are coming back to the united states. pence, a wonderful vice president, will be there to greet the families. and the remains. and i want to thank chairman kim for keeping his word. threatening to shut down the government if congress doesn't allocate $25 billion for the border wall, tweeting sunday "i would be willing to shut down government if the democrats do not give us the votes for border security, which includes the wall. must get rid of lottery, catch & release etc. and finally go to system of immigration based on merit. we need great people coming into our country." congress has until september 30

to agree on a spending bill to avoid a federal government shutdown. in los angeles, federal judge dolly gee in los angeles has mandated the appointment of f an independent monitor to force the trump administration to improve the health and safety standards in child immigrant detention centers. the court order comes after lawyers provided testimony from migrants who said they have been subjected to widespread abuse inside detention, including being kicked in their sleep, forced t to drink water ouout of toilets, provided only spoiled food and denied medical treatment. the lawyers also said children have been injected with psychotropic drugs without parental consent. a boston globe investigation has revealed the existence of a domestic surveillance program run by the transportation security authority, or tsa, which has been surveilling us citizens in airports since 2010.

under the program, called quiet skies, federal air marshals collect information about u.s. travelers, including common behavior like using the bathroom repeatedly, sleeping on flight, or sweating heavily. in response, the aclu said "such surveillance not only makes no sense, it is a big waste of taxpayer money and raises a number of constitutional questions." supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg says she plans to continue serving on the bench for at least another five more years. speaking sunday she said "i'm now 85. my senior colleague, justice john paul stevens, he stepped down when he was 90, so think i have about at least five more years." justice ginsburg has been a fierce critic of president trump. she's already hired law clerks for at least two morore terms. u.s. diplomats have held direct peace talks with the taliban

aimed at ending the ongoing 17 year u.s. war in afghanistan. the new york times also reports the trump administration is urging u.s.-backed afghan troops to retreat from rural areas and focus on protecting kabul and other major cities. the times reports this strategy will likely ensure the taliban remains in control of vast stretches of the countntryside, where the majority of afghans live. in gaza, thousands gathered saturday for the funeral of 11-year-old majdi al-satari, who died after he was shot in the head by an israeli sniper friday at protests near the separation fence with israel. 17-year-old moumin al-hams and 43-year-old ghazi abu mustafa were also shot and killed by israeli snipers at the protests. israeli soldiers have killed at least 150 palestinians since the palestinians' nonviolent great march of return protests began on march 30.

palestinian activist ahed tamimi has been freed from an israeli prison after serving an eight-month term. the 17-year-old activist became a hero to palestinians after viral video showed her slapping a soldier near her family's home in the occupied west bank. the incident came just after tamimi learned her cousin had been gravely wounded by an israeli soldier who shot him in the head using a rubber-coated steel bullet. this is tamimi speaking after her release. in the future to continue my university studies. addressing the causes of the and to represent prisoner causes. the trump administration has lifted restrictions on $195 million in military aid for

egypt that it had previously withheld over concerns about egypt's human rights record. this comes as an egyptian court sentenced 75 people to death for participating in a 2013 sit-in protesting the overthrow of president t mohamed morsi. more than 1,000 protesters were killed when soldiers opened fire on the sit-in protest in cairo. egypt's parliament has approved a law ththat could give senior military commanders immunity from future prosecution over the deadly crackdown. iraqi prime minister haider al-abadi has suspended iraq's electricity minister, as widespread protests continue over blackouts and a lack of other basic services. the massive protests were sparked in the oil-rich southern region of iraq this month due to extremeaccess during an heatwave. the longtime head of cbs, les moonves, has been accused of sexual assault and harassment by at least six women.

the new yorker reports the women accuse moonves of forcibly kissing or touching them during business meetings, and physically and professionally threatening them after they rejected his sexual advances. one of his accusers, emmy award-winning actress and writer illeana douglas, told the new yorker moonves forcibly held her down and violently kissed her, saying "what happened to me was a sexual assault, and then i was fired for not participating." another one of his accusers, writer janet jones, told the new yorker "he has gotten away with it for decades." in more journalism news, the publisher of the new york times, a. g. sulzberger, has confirmed he met with president trump on july 20 to voice concerns about trump's frequent attacks on the press, including trump's labeling of the press as the enemy of the people. sulzberger says he told trump his attacks on the press are endangering the lives of journalists, particularly foreign reporters, and that his

phrase "fake news" has empowered dictators around the world. the white house asked for the meeting to be off the record, he issued his statement about the meeting hours after trump tweeted about the meeting on sunday. and in texas, mexican journalist emilio gutierrez soto and his son have been released from ice detention after being jailed for 7 months. gutierrez first sought asylum in the united states in 2008 after receiving death threats for reporting on alleged corruption in the mexican military. he was detained in december, only weeks after he criticized u.s. asylum policy during a speech at the national press club. a federal judge has questioned whether the trump administration's detention of emilio gutierrez soto and his son oscar violated his first amendment rights. this is emilio gutierrez soto, speaking in an exclusive jailhouse interview with democracy now. the message that i would like

to share with the population of the united states is to please express solidarity with the terror and experience that my family has been through. to seek at least a breast of justice, which does not exist. the only thing that has is theed us in my career truth. to participate in the search for social justice. amy: emilio gutierrez has been awarded a knight-wallace fellowship for the next academic year by the university of michigan. to see our full coverage of his case, go to democracynow.org. and those are some of the headlines, this is democracy now, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. russian president vladimir putin has invited president trump to moscow just days after the white house postponed a planned meeting between between the two

leaders in washington this fall until after the midterm elections. to talk more about u.s.-russian relations and much more, we spend the hour with the world-renowned political dissident, author, and linguist , noam chomsky. he is a laureate professor in the department of linguistics at the university of arizona and professor emeritus at massachusetts institute of technology, where he taught for more than 50 years. his recent books include global discontents, conversations on the rising threats to democracy and requiem for the american dream, the 10 principles of concentration of wealth & power. he joined us from tucson, arizona. i asked him about the recent trump-putin summit in helsinki and played for him a short pinwheel of u.s. media coverage of the summit. >> you have been watching one of ththe most disgraceful performances by an american president at a summit with a russian leader, that i have ever seen.

you that are watchching today will be able to tell your friends and family and grandchildren that you watched a moment of history but it may not be for the right reasons. refusal drew widespread condemnation from members of his own party and administration. about the was condemnation, but it ended with putin g giving a soccer ball and trump handing a gift of absolution. that was the reporting after the joint press conference. i asked for the response to the helsinki summit. trump has one principle. me first. that is on the of his policies.

his statements are excludable under the assumption that that is what is driving it. crucially, for him, he has to ensure that the investigation is discredited. with, ifthey come up it implicates him in any way, the media political function of that will be considered an enormous significance. much more than the environment which may destroy human civilization. those highly skewed circumstances, he has to make sure that the mueller investigation is discredited. and that was the main part of part with trump.

the soccer ball, which apparently had a listening device embedded in it and so on. yes, that was strange. amy: that soccer ball, that particular ball has the device in it and that is how it sold. it was a world cup soccer ball. that is one of the attributes, people can put the iphone next to it and get information. noam: putin was plainly treating trump with contempt. so whatever you think about that. concernless, his main was pretty obvious. of that was the central part

the putin-trtrump interviews. see thei just don't great significance of his acting in a silly and childish way in an interview. let's go to the important issues which are not being discussed. the issue of improving relations with russia is of overwhelming compared withs ththe remarks sayining, well, ii don'n't know whethther to trusuy own inintelligence agencies.s. he says that for perfectly obvious reasons. to discredit the mueller investigation. and to ensure that his fervently loyal base stays supportive. policyt an attractive but we can understand what he is doing.

amy: john brennan tweeted "donald trump's press conference performance in helsinki rises to the threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors. it was nothing short of treasonous. he is in the pocket of pollution. republican patriots, where are you?u? " again, that was his tweet. noam: his remarks were incorrect. whatever you think of trump spain fear, it has nothing to do with high crimes and misdemeanors or treason. that just is not true. but again, the same point i have been trying to make throughout, we are focusing on issssues of minor significance. of putting aside problems enormous significance. or to deal with immigration

whether we are dealing with a question of survival of organized human life on earth. those are the problems we should be thinking about. not whether trump misbehaved in a press conference. amy: i wanted to ask you about nato. trump has questioned a key provision of the alliance. he made his remarks during an interview with tucker carlson a week ago. >> why should my son go to montenegrin? the same question. montenegrin is a tiny country with strong people. strtrong people. vevery aggressive people. they may get aggressive and congratulations, you are in world war iii. amy: there is trump questioning the idea of nato.

, it iscould address this interesting he chose nato because months ago, he pushed aside the prime minister of montenegro. i would likeint -- to ask you about whether you feel nato should exist? noam: that is the crucial question. made an uglyrump or demeaning comment about a tiny country but what is nato for? from the beginning, from its origins, we had it drilled into our heads that the purpose of nato was to defend us from russia. we can put aside at the moment over whether that was accurate. but in any event, that was the seam.

ok. hoardes.more russian so why nato? well, what had happened was interesting. there were negotiations between , thee bush, james baker germans, on how to deal with this. this was after the fall of the berlin wall and the collapse of the soviet union. an astonishing concession. germany, nowallow unified, to join nato. a hostile military alliance. look at the history of the preceding years. alone, had practically

destroyed russia at an extraordinary cost, several times during the preceding century but he allowed to have germany, torearm join nato. there was a quid pro quo. nato means basically u.s. forces. they would not expand to east berlin, east germany. nobody talked about anything beyond that. baker and bush verbally agreed to that. they didn't put that in writing. but they essentially said, yes. the phrase used was "not one inch to the east."

and what happened? they moved to east germany under clinton and other nations. russian satellites were introduced into nato and finally, nato went as far as in 2008 and 2013 to suggest that at the heartland of , thatn strategic concerns they join nato. so what is nato doing? .ts mission was changed the official mission of nato was and controlecome and safeguard the global energy system.

pipelines and so on. and of course, on the side it does act as an intervention force for the united states. is that a legitimate reason for us to maintain nato? to be an instrument for the u.s. global domination? i think that is a serious question. but it isn't the question that is asked. the question asked is whether nato -- whether trump made a demeaning comment about montenegro. another example of what i talked about before. the focus of the media and the intellectual community in overlooking critical and crucial issues. issues which literally have to do with human survival. amy: noam chomsky.

we will talk about nuclear weapons, israel, gaza and more. ♪ ♪ [music break] amy: "bad reputation" by joan jett. welcome back to democracy now,

democracynow.org, the war and peace report. we returned to our conversation with the world-renowned political dissident, author, and linguist noam chomsky. noam: we cannot overemphasize the fact that we are in a unique moment of the united states history. we have been since 1945. 1940 five, human history changed dramatically. demonstratedhumans that intelligence had created --ns to destroy life honors destroy life on earth. it was quite obvious it would couple ofan affected years later in 1947, atomic scientists established the famous doomsday clock.

how far away are we from midnight? it was set at seven minutes until midnight. toonce reached two minutes midnight. in 1953. when the u.s. and soviet union detonated thermonuclear weapons. with the intention to destroy now it is back at two minutes to midnight. it wasn't known in 1945 that we were not only entering the nuclear age but entering a new geological assessment. and affect in which human activity is having severe effects on the environment in which human life can survive.

we have also entered into the sixth extinction. a rapid extinction of species. comparable to 65 million years ago when the asteroid hit the earth. we know the world geological society finally settled the end of world war ii as the end of the sharp escalation and destruction of the environment. not only global warming but other greenhouse gases and such things as plastics in the ocean. which are predicted to be greater than the amount of fish in the ocean not far in the future. so we are destroying the environment for organized human life and we are threatening amongst nuclear

confrontations. anyone who has looked at the record, which is shocking, would have to conclude that it is a miracle we have survived this long. beings, this generation, for the first time in history, have to ask, will human life survive? and not in the far future. those are the issues we should be concerned with. everything else pales in in comparison. and going back to nato, well, what is it doing. it expanded to the russian border. trump's policies from a geostrategic point of view, they are incoherent. on the one hand, he makes nice to putin but on the other hand he is escalating the threats

against russia and hence, to ourselves. ukraine is a serious threat to russia, increasing forces at the russian border. the russians do the same on the other side. military maneuvers. the new nuclear program totituted is a severe threat russia and the world, under obama, the modernization programs had reached the level a literal were posing first strike threat to russia. work on that is appeared in scientific journals and trump is escalating that. even more a modernization of extremely dangerous forces.

lowering the threshold for nuclear war. are supposedlyns tactical nuclear weapons, which, as any nuclear strategist could tell you, larger incentives for escalation to final disaster. these are enormous threats against russia, ourselves as well. tobined w with being politite putin at a press conference. strategically, it makes no sense. trump has gone after nato allies from britain to germany and before that, macron in franance and justin trududeau in canada. but he also, while questioning nato, questions it because he says he wants them to spend more up to 4% of their

budget on weapons? you are looking for a serious strategy behind this, you are looking in the wrong place. that is what lies behind it. none of this makes sense from a strategic point of view. none of it. it's all contradictory and incoherent. and it should tell us something. let's look somewhere else. and it all makes perfect sense on the assumption that he is driven by one overwhelming concern. himself. himof this makes sense for making sure that he has power and has to appeal to a number of constituencies to make sure he is supported. the one constituency is

overwhelmingly hawkish. the establishment. systemg up the military and modernizing nuclear weapons and so on. ok. he's got them in his pocket. the crucial constituency is -- and his actual one -- are the corporate sector and the super rich. and he is lavishing gifts on them. while he prances in front of the media and the media helps them his minionsing on in congress, carrying out sheer robbery. it is unbelievable. i mentioned a couple of examples before. he has to maintain a voting base or else he is out. and he does that by posturing.

confront nato and make them pay more so they won't be robbing us anymore." "i'm going to stop china from stealing intellectual property." tariffs on everybody because i'm defefending you guy" by point, it all falls into place and that is pretty much what is going on. searching for some coherent strategic strategy behind this is almost hopeless. .here are a few things overructing an alliance reactionary middle eastern , saudiagainst iran arabia, israel, the united arab -- that is crazy

but coherent. corollaryay that one to the "me first" doctrine which is being preserved over and over, it is if obama did something, i have to do the opposite. notrwise, i am transformative as a president or a significant president. amy: let me ask you about israel. this defines israel as the nationstate of the jewish people and gives them the sole right to self-determination. it declares he proved the country's only official language and it encourages the building settlements.y this is angela netanyahu. this is a defining moment in

the state of israel. we look even ensuring civil rights in israel's demococracy. these rights will not be harmed. but the majority also has rights and the majority decides. and an absolute witchery he wants to ensure the jewish character for years to come. amy: could you talk about this new law? all, a slight correction. the jewishsh settlements authorized within israel proper, that isn't even a question. they are all like that. law does change the existing situation. much as is being claimed. has the new law describes pretty much been in place for a long time.

in 1960. back established what the israeli high court called and concluded as a statement where israel is the sovereign state of the jewish people. all jewish people. but not its citizens. that was 60 years ago. the land laws were set up in such a way that it was recognized. in fact, internally. is state land, effectively under the administration. an array of legal and administrative practices were details. ensure those

book that went through the documents. and basically, a complex array was set up to ensure the jewish national fund would be in control, amounting to over 90% of the country's land. it has a contract with the state of israel, which determines that the mission is to work for the people of jewish race, religion or origin. what you expect to follow from this? would you expect to follow is , 93% of the land of the country is effectively reserved for people of jewish national origin and it is what played out. this did finally come to the court, the israeli court in the

year 2000. the association in israel brought a case where plaintiffs wanted toab couples, buy a home. in a jewish settlement. which was, like most of the country, restricted. the court finally ruled in their favor. pretty narrow decision. almost immediately, it first began to try to figure out a way to get around various devices. the new law simply authorizes all jewish settlements in israel proper. which means 90% of the country. when you look at the development of settlements over the years, it was discussed in an important

iticle in a recent issue and is pointed out that around 700 all jejewish settlemements weret and arab settlements are restricted to the land. and they arere being k kicked of that. it formalizes what has in a of --ce in complex ways it does demote arabic from being an official lananguage to not having that ststatus. practiceses by introducing them into the basic law. which is effectively the constitution. so these are changes but they are less dramatic than the way

they are portrayed. not because these are proper moves, but because it has always been like that in one way or another. so no, it shouldn't be too strange to americans. if you look at the housing, it has been discussed by robert rothstein in an interesting book . the new deal housing programs. they were legally and explicitly directed to ensure white only towns. why the towns that sprang up in the 1950's were 100% white. legal requirements were introduced to ensure that. we are not talking about the deep south. although of course they did influence it. this didn't change until the

late 1960's. tothen, it was too late benefit african-americans. the reason was because of general economic changes. in the 1950's and 1960's, it was a great growth europe for the united states. for the first time, in 400 years of history, african-americans had some sort of chance at entering the mainstream society. but they were blocked from housing by legal means. by the time the legal means were dismantled, we were moving into liberal time of stagnation and decline. it didn't do them any good. in the another chapter ugly history of american racism. we shouldn't feel too startled to see what is going on in israel.

which is quite ugly, and it is part of the shift of the country far to the right, but it was predicted in 1967. protected right off that the consequence of the occupation would be to turn the country to the right. it isn't good for your psyche. and i think we have been watching this happen. israel is aware of it. and israeli political political analyst have pointed out for a couple of years that israel should be preparing itself for a time in which it loses the support of sectors of the world that have some concern for human rights and interernational law d

should be returning towards thatnces with countries don't care about this. such as india. enter the recent ultranationalist, the shares with israel. the move of oppression. the hatred of islam and china. paying attention to these things. the same for saudi arabia. united arab emirates. and we could see this happening in the united states as well. was thelong ago, israel liberalof progressive, america. but that is changed. identifiedf have considerably more support for palestinians than for israel. past theshifted

ultranationalist right and evangelicals. who for their own reasons, support israeli actions. with some passion. time, many the same of them hold doctrines in which it is claimed that the second coming of christ will lead to these events which will end up with jewish people being sent to eternal perdition. but with support for the reactions. and that is where the basic israeli support here in the united states is shifting. so these things are happening all over the world. amy: noam chomsksky. coming up. talking about the crisis in gaza. ♪ ♪ [music break]

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we return now to our conversation with noam chomsky. on thursday, it was said that israel could launch another widescale military operation against the gaza strip after israel's crackdown o on peaceful protests in gaza from march to may. when forces s killed over 136 palestinians. canadian turn to the doctor who was shot by israeli forces while he was helping to treat palestinians injured by israeli forces during the nonviolent great march of return. that was may 14, monday. this was right after he was shot. if he feels he was targeted. >> i don't know the answer to that. i don't know what orders they

received or what was in their heads. were't tell you if we deliberately targeted. when i can tell you are the things i do know. in the six weeks of the march, there were no paramedic casualties. day, 19 paramedics, all and one killed, were shocked with live ammunition. we were in a rescue e at the tie but everyone else i talked to was like me. without any chaos at all and we were targeted. we were hit by livive ammunitio. most of us in the lower limbs. so it is very hard to believe that the israelis who shot me and the israelis who shot my colleagues, just frorom our medical crew, four of us were shshot includiding one who passd

away, it is hard to believe they didn't know who we were. they didn't know what we were doing? and d they were aimi at anything elelse. day, the man who is talking, the paramedic was shot and killed by paramedics -- by forces. a photo with tweeted. a haunting photo. he was shot in the ankle. -- shot in the thorax and killed . volunteer, unknown. photographer, shot and wounded. it he showed this photograph that he thought he would just have for a scrapbook but realize these were some of the last days of their lives. what is going on in gaza, from your perspective?

noam: we could ask the young palestinian woman, the paramedic , who was murdered by a sniper from the border when she was tending to the wounded patients. this is hideously ugly. but there is background, as always. the crucial background is that the israeli stranglehold on life which has reduced the to bare survival, has reached a nations,re the united other analysts, they predicts willby the year 2020, gaza literally be uninhabitable. that is 2 million people. half of them children. carefullyd in prison

savage restrictions on food and anything that comes to them. to the extent that fishermen are kept close to shore so they and the sewage plants have been destroyed. power plants are attacked and the official program -- official diet."to keep gaza on "a barely enough to survive. it doesn't look good if they starve to death. this is occupied territory as recognized bys the united states. so here is a population kept in a prison, in an occupied , used as, said a diet

a punching bag for what calls itself the most "moral army in the world." be couple of years, it will uninhabitable. in addition to that, you have sadistic acts like highly trained snipers killing a young palestinian woman paramededic wn shshe is tending a a patient and what the doctor just described. what we do? we react to that. the united states has reacted to that. by very sharply cutting funding organization the u.n. organization, that keeps the population barely alive. that is our response with overwhelming support for israel provided with arms and so on. one of the most extraordinary scandals -- if that is the right word -- in the modern world.

can we do something about it? sure. they could be thriving. it could be a mediterranean paradise. agricultural resources could be there, marvelous beaches, fishing. it even has natural gas offshore. there not being allowed to use it. so there is plenty that could be done. ,ut the u.s. has preferred under repeated administrations, too, as usual, support the murderers. amy: israel is threatening another strike on gaza a like wt they did in 2014 when they killed over 2000 people.

one quarter of that number were children. noam: if you look over the record, there is a marvelous book that just came out of "gaza,"inkelstein, gaza's martyrdom. a definitive study of this. and what has happened since 2005 is straightforward. the previous history is ugly 2005, israel he hawks recognized that it didn't a couplee to keep thousand jewish settlers illegally settling in gaza using devoting aurces and large part of the israeli army to protect them. that was senseless.

so they decided to move them from their illegal subsidize illegalnts in gaza to subsidize settlements in areas that israel wanted to keep, in the west bank. this was framed as a traumatic event but it was a play for world opinion. and they pulled out and it was called a withdrawal. they remained under total israeli occupation because the army wasn't inside. gaza was controlling it from the outside. there was an agreement reached between palestinians and israel on a cease-fire. the opening of gaza seaport and the airport that

israel had destroyed. opening the borders. be free flow could between israel and egypt and so on. and it lasted a couple of weeks. in january, the palestinians committed a major crime. they ran a free election. fair,ized to be free and the only one in the arab world but he came out the wrong way. the wrong people one -- the wrong people won. want escalated violence. they increase the repression against gaza, they imposed a diet. the u.s. reacted by standard operating procedure. started to organize a military coup. preempted the military coup which was an even greater , u.s.-israeli violence

increased. the savagery of the seas increased. it goes on like that, repeatedly. there is an episode of what israel calls mowing and the lawn , smash them up. the defenses. and there is an agreement accepts andh hamas lives up to. israel violates it, constantly. and finally, an israeli escalation leads to a hamas response, which israel uses as a pretext for the next episode of "mowing the lawn." been the history since 2005. anotherthere might be one. but we are now reaching a point when it is almost terminal.

it is expected that the gaza strip, having been devastated so savagely over the years, will literally become uninhabitable. there are ways to deal with this. doesn't take a brilliant scientist to figure it out. it is obvious. the solution you say is straightforward and simple? noam: simple. live up to the terms of the november 2005 agreement. reconstruct, open the entry points to israel and egypt. rebuild the seaport. airport that was destroyed while under the power plants. let them become a flourishing site.rranean

and of course, permit -- remember that the famous oslo agreements require, explicitly, that the gaza strip and the west a unified territory and that the territorial integrity must be maintained. israel and the united states reacted at once by separating them. ok? the palestinian national rights can be achieved if the u.s.-israel are willing to accept that. amy: noam chomsky. the world-renowned political dissident, author, and linguist . -- he taught for 50 years at massachusetts institute of technology.

website to watch the first full hour. in the coming week, you will hear him on north korea, yemen and more. that does it for the broadcast. thank you for joining.çç??

man: we have tonight yascha mounk, the author of "the people vsvs. democracy." let me tell you a little bit about it. he's a lecturer on government at harvard university and a senior fellow at new america. he's a columnist at slate and a host of the "good fight" podcast. he's a leading expert in the rise of populism and the crisis of liberal democracy. so, that's yascha, and i think the club will recognize our moderator tonight, francis fukuyama, who has been here many times before. he's currently a senior fellow at stanford's freeman spogli institute for international studies and his new book on identity, his "identity politics" will be coming out in september. so, thank you very much, francis. thank you very much. ok, thank you.