08/16/18 08/16/18 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! >> all of the victims were brushed aside in every part of the state by church leaders who preferred to protect the abusers and their institutions above all. priests were raping little boys and the men of god above them not only do nothing, but they hid it all for decades. amy:y: a shocking nenew grand jy reportrt in pennsylvanania has

revealed more than 300 catholic priests sexually abused 1000 children and possibly thousands more over seven decades. but will anybody be allocable? we will speak to a survivor of the sexual abuse as well as a former priest, a whistleblower. the rico to detroit to speak with rashida tlaib, who is poised to become the first palestinian american woman and first muslim woman to serve in congress. she is a democratic socialist who supports the palestinian right of return and a one state solution. last year she was forcibly removed from a trump rally in detroit after she heckleled the president. pres. trump: homomeownshship ist itits lowest rate in 5 51 years. [indiscernible]

shouted "readlaib the constitution" as she was taken out by security. she will join us from her home city of detroit. all of that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in afghanistan, , funerals have begun for 37 people killed after a suicide bomber struck an education center wednesday in the capital kabul. most of the dead were young women and men who were preparing for university entrance exams. the bombing was followed by an asassault on an afghghan intelligence service based in kabul by gunmen firing rocket-propelled grenades earlier today. meanwhile, taliban fighters overran a a military outpostst n afghanistan's northern baghlan province, killing 44 soldiers and police officers.

elsewhere, u.s.-backed afghan forces claimed t to have taken control of most of the city of ghazni on wednesday, following some of the heaviest fighting afghanistan has seen in years. the u.n.n. estimates 15050 civis died dururing the fiveve-day campaign, , and local hospitals report they're overwhelmed with ththe injured and dead. this i is omid, a a resident off ghazni. almlmost four dayss of insnsurgents in a city, but e government has not paid attention to thehe people. most of the markets have burned down in the city. amy: the violence came as the taliban said it would no longer grant safe passage to workers with the international committee of the red crossss, accusing t e agency of failing to support taliban prisoners held by the u.s.-backed government in kabul. donald trump has revoked the security clearance of his staunch political opponents, former cia director john brennan, who repeatedly has called trump unfit to become president. brennan served as cia director under president obama, where he oversaw the agency's drone assassination program.

ben wizner of the aclu said in response to brennan's loss of clearance -- "we have been unsparing in our criticism of john brennan's defense of the cia torture program and his role in unlawful lethal strikes abroad. but trump's revocation of brennan's clearance, and his threats to revoke the clearances of other former officials for the sole reason that they have criticized his conduct and policies, amount to unconstitutionalal retaliation." at the white house, press secretary sarah huckabee sanders said other former executive branch officials who've been critical of trump could be next. >> james clapper, james comey, michael hayden, sally eight, susan rice, andrew mccabe, peter , and bruce or.e secured clearances for those who still have the may be r revokedd and those who o have already lot their security clearance may not be able to have it reinstated. amy: among former administration officials whose security

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a group of at least four predator priests groomed and violently sexually assaulted young boys. one boy was forced to stand on a vet in a rectory stripped naked and pose as christ on the prosper the priest's. they took photos of their victims, adding them to a collection of child per number fee, which they produced and shared on church grounds. to make it easier to target their victims, the priests gave their favored boys gifts, gold crosses to wear his necklaces. the crosses were markings of which boys had been groomed for abuse. amy: the pennsylvania report detailed how priests raped young girls and boys, including one priest who raped a young growth in the hospital after she had her tonsils out. another priest impregnated a

young girl then arranged for her to have an abortion. nermeen: the report t revealed w the church orchestrated a massive systematic cover-up to conceal the abuse, including lying to the community about why a priest was removed from a parish, transferring pedophile priest brother than firing them, and locking abuse complaints away in what the church called "secret archive." this is the pennsylvania attorney general josh shapiro. >> all of the victims were brushed aside in every part of the state i church leaders who preferred to protect the abusers and their institutions above all. priests were raping little boys and girls, not only did they do nothing, they did it all for decades. , auxiliary bishops, bishops can archbishops, cardinals have mostly been protected, many, including some named in this report, has been promoteded.

one father identified in the report is now bishop. a bishop is now a cardinal. father z big is now a bishop. predator priests were allowed to remain in ministry for 10, 20, even 40 years after church leaders learned of their crimes. in those years, their list of victims got longer and longer list of amy: while charges haven't filed against to priests in pennsylvania, the report states the statute of limitatations has expired on the list all of the offenses. on wednesday, the center for constitutional rights and the survivors network of those abused by priests known as snap sent a letter to the justice department demanding a federal investigation into church abuse. pressure is also growing on pope francis to respond as church sex abuse scandals continue to grow across the globe.

amy: in a moment, we will be joined by a survivor o of abuse priest whor catholic now helps survivors. but first, i would like to turn to a a video proroduced by the office of the pennsylvania torney general fearingng t voices of several survivors of church abuse. my name is robert. i am 83 yeyears old. >> shaun douerty, 48 years old. >> carolyn, 37. >> i grew up in a a small ststen pennnnlvaniaia town. >> i grew up in ththlehe >> the high school. >> i w groomed starting young. >> the day i m him, i was arnd 18 mohs old. iasasgeted me because father-ls. >> i was in myiaper and iran ouand rain -- ran right to him. >> we were taught the pries

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amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with nermeen shaikh. nermeen: we are continuing to look at the shocking new pennsylvania grand jury report that has revealed how more than 300 catholic trees sexually abused 1000 children possibly thousands more over seven decades and that the church leadership covered up the abuse. we're joined now by two guests. amy: shaun dougherty joins us. he was molested by a priest from

the altoona-johnstown diocese in pennsylvania for three years, starting when he was 10 years old. the priest responsible, george koharchick, has been defrocked. even though the fbi determined he was a child predator, the pririest cannot be tried as such because of expired statute of limitatioions. 's story was one of many included in the grand jury report released on tuesday. bob hoatson is a former catholic priest and the co-founder and president t of road to recovery, which assists victims of sexual abuse. we welcome you both to democracy now! saw you in a clip released by the pennsylvania attorney general. talk about what happened to you, how old you are, and when you blew the whistle or told anyone. grade, myng in fifth priest, my religion teacher, my peewee basketball coach was

father koharchick. while loved -- will left priest in our community who had been grooming me for years of getting used to him handling me physically, touching me, having him close to me. in the fifth grade, that touching progressed to sexual asassault. george koharchick to this day, i believe, he must, it is my belief that he has a personal effectuation with male genitalia. i believe from the things that he did throughout the three years, i believe he was testing us -- he wanted to know the exact day that we were going to be sexually mature, and my opinion. and that progressed to one-time digital penetration in the shower when i was 13. i did not like that experience

at all. i gave him a look in the shower. meprisingly, it ended for that day in the shower. unfortunately, for some of my friends come it continued for them. nermeen: do you know how many people were involved, how many children? >> he admitted to the grand jury to being clolose to 12 boys. i imagine it is a much bigger number. amy: when did he admit this? >> the report was released in march of 2016. i then attorney general kathleen and on pennsylvania pages 66 and 67 of that, my name was redacted name, and at some point over the course of the grand jury investigation, lead up to that r rollout, he admittd to that. it is in the report. amy: what to the church know of what he was doing? he not only groomed at you, but your parents as well, going bowling with them? >> not just my parents, he

groomed the entire community. it's becoming public, after the report came out, reading that, i just said i can't stay silent. was awhat drew me out newspaper article with him on the front page. two people had gone to the bishop in 2012 to call him out. tose two same brothers went the thin monsignor in 1983 about father koharchick in my eighth grade year host up amy: decades ago. >> confirmed it. the monsignor went to bishop hogan, covered it up, and this is firsthand experience i one of their brothers. i grew up with these guys. amy: bishop hogan, the bishop of -- years ago.johnstown, made a financial arrangement, we need to protect the church and the reputation, protect your kids, keep it quiet will stop they agreed to transfer him.

it took them six months. they did not tell anybody. i grew up a block from the school. it was in my eighth grade year. they did not tell anybody. they allowed me at three of my friends in the rectory in his private space to pack his belongings. the entire top shelf of his books were all medical journals on male genitalia. we got in the car and drove to portage pennsylvania to the new school he was assigned to come and we spent the night in the rectory. inhibited transferred for sexually -- and he had just been transfer for sexually abuse. happens if you steal? >> you are in jail immediately. it is not a two-way street. money flows one direction. amy: yet when a priest still so life of a child, the dignity of a child, the church --

, ipart of me feels that mean, i can't say, bob could probably speak more to this when he comes on, is that i have to say there has s to be a part of the church that feels that iss their benenevolent right o of se kikind. it is starting to seem like there is a percentagage of the church that feels like it is their divine right to do this. it is so systemic we huge. nermeen: you mentioned earlier, and forgive me for asking, what exactly digital penetration is? >> he stuck his finger in my anus in the shower when i w was3 years old. i believe he was testing to see if i would go further. nermeen: could you talk about the issue of the statute of limitations and what that means for survivors like yourself?

>> when i was a child and i was faced with this, my statutes of limitation only permitted me to talk and press charges until i was 15 years old. i had two years past the end of the last assault. so i was not legally old enough to drive a car in the commonwealth of pennsylvania, yet i had to come forward and tell my parents and the community that the guy they bowl with every thursday night is raping the kids. amy: josh shapiro emphasized how the catholic church delayed taking action on reports of priests engaged in sexual abuse in order to prevent criminal charges from being filed. -- denyattern was abuse and cover up. it not only victimized children, it served a legal purpose that church officials manipulated for their advantage.

the longer they covered it up, the less chance law enforcement could prosecute these predators because e the statute of limitatitions would run. as a direct consequence of the systematic cover-up a senior chururch officials, almost every instance of child sexual abuse befound is too old to prosecuted. amy: that is pennsylvania attorney general josh shapiro. i went to bring a former priest into this conversation. bob hoatson is a former catholic and president of road to recovery. years in insider in this church. i was 23 years in the religious life and 14 as a priest. so i saw from the inside. i was sexually abused d by three different men in the religious life. i knew what was going on on the inside. it was just abject corrupuption from the getet-go. this church is a criminal enterprisese.

that actually covers up the massive sexual abuse of children for centuries. nermeen: bob, could you respond to what shaun said earlier? yourur sexual abuse by t three differerent men, all priests. >> they were religious brothers, actually. nermeen: what does that mean? >> a religious brother is someone who lives in community, but it does not have ththe abily they doasass, etc. one more s social work education, hospital work. amy: what happened to you? >> the day i stepped into the religious life at 18, after having graduated from high school as the t top senior of my class, this person said to me, this superior said "bob, you're a cold person. i am going to have to warm you up." he continued that mantra on for the entire year until the second superior i had, the most important your formation because

that is where you learn the spiritual life, well, that superior sexually abused me. then when i reported it to another superior, he told me that, yes, i was preyed upon, into bednight he crept and sexually assaulted me in the same way that i had described to him previously. nenermeen: do you agree with wht shaun suggested that papart of e chururch, it is their belief tht they have some kind of benevolent right? >> absolutely. this is a massiveve abuse of power. it is exhibited in the sexual abuse of not just children, but adultsrs and vulnerable as well and it is the reason financial crimes are committed and the church as well. every aspect ofof dysfunction is exhibited because of the abuse of power. amy: talk about when you came forward in a big way. it was not actually when you

were being sexually abused, though you were repeatedly. >> in 2003 a testified before the new york state legislature in a was a priest at the time. i was directing to schools in inner city of newark. i called for the resignation of any bishop in the united states who has covered up child sexual abuse. three days later, i was called into the chancery of the archdiocese and fired by my bishop. for speaking out. nermeen: they said explicitly to you, you're being fired because you spoke out? >> oh, yes, i was told my language was too volatile at the hearing in albany and the bishop asked me to tone down my language. then they slid a letter across the table at me and it saiaid tt "you arere fired effective immediately." they did not take away my priestly faculties then, but in 2005 when i turned around and sued him foror doingng allll ofe retaliatory things, then they puput me on complete suspension and i was not able to function

as a priest at all. amy: you blew the whistle at a catholic high school. explain. this was not whenn you were beig abused. you felt, what, the principal? >> having beenen abused as a chd and also a teenager, my antenna has been up for a very long time. in 1981 when i was stationed at a high school in boston, catholic memorial high school, the chaplain of the school used to go into the athletitilocker room with a camera. he would go into thehe shower room. i saw this. i am eagerly within the headmaster and said, this has to stop. he has to be out of here. he happened to be the third highest-ranking member of the archdiocese of boston at the time. he was the vice chancellor. his name was fred ryan. he was sexually abusing, i thought to kids in particular. i went to the headmaster and the headmaster said, oh, no, he is a wonderful priest. we're not going to do anything. 20 years later, those two young men went public with their

abuse. that is really what started the road to recovery because i went back to boston every week from then on to help them in their recovery. ii a apologized profusely to thm for not screaming more loudly in 1981. nermeen: shaun, could you elaborate on the point that bob made? on the one hand, the scale of this grand jury report, i mean, 1000 survivors of sexual abuse priests and look at it, yet there is been a massive cover-up. could you say how many people you think have been responsible for the cover-up? comedy people are complicit? and what do you think should happen? >> there is really no current way to tell how many people are involved in the cover-up. the roman catholic church is a massive organization that has many hands and fingers that are

willing to help. it has not been hard for them to to bend.nabling ear they are having a lot of help. what should happen as a result of this? these are crimes. massive amounts of crimes have been committed, and crime deserves a punishment. use a little of the catholic tough love with the catholic church. the legislative end of this in pennsylvania, i've been to the capital regularly for the last 2.5 years since becoming public to pass a very commonsense legislation that representative mark rosie of berks county, also a rape victim of the church -- he was raped in a shower at 13, which is why he is a representative. he is pushing for this legislation. the republican-controlled senate in pennsylvania that is dominated by lobbyists from the

insurance federation, from the catholic conference, will not -- nermeen: what is the insurance federation? >> the insurance agents to or the father go through because they are the ones that will be setting the bill. the church only does it, they don't play for. amy: explain the catholic conference. >> a conference of bishops in the country they get together, even though each individual diocese is run individually by each individual bishop, they only have that control of their , they do meet. on certain aspects of the religion and activities, i believe they come to a common consensus. they argue, i think it is just like our political arena. and when they come to a consensus, that is it. amy:'s or something particular about pennsylvania? this is a grand jury report just in pennsylvania, 300 priests saying 1000 young people, children, girls and boys, but

probably thousands and thousands more, the attorney general. >> i have been told, and it is being reported that they have over 100 calls in 12 hours to the hotline since it has been released. this is an open investigation. .t is on continuing i believe those numbers are very conservative. amy: yet where is pope francis on all of this? pressure is growing. he has not responded. the church sex scandals continue to grow across the globe. and talking about sex abuse scandals. earlier this week, former are strong and a archbishop philip edward wililson was sentenced to 12 months of house arrest. he is the most senior catholic official in the world to be found guilty of concealing the sexual abuse of children. in late july, the former archbishop of washington, d.c., cardinal theodore mccarrick, became the highest-ranking to

resign after he was accused of abusing a number of boys as young as 11 years old. meanwhile, tuesday, authorities headquartersed the of the catholic church's episcopal coconference as part f the widespread invevestigation ininto sex abubuse. , whwhatather bob hoatson is your response? >> just anecdotally, in 1994 when i was considering leaving the irish christian brothers and going to be a priest, i asked the vacation does vocation director, has the archbishop stopped sleeping with the seminarians? it was known by everyone and he assured me he had. and that the people and the bishops had stopped it. what we're talking about here is -- it is worldwide. it is not going to stop unless the outside agencies like the two yearsvernments --

ago, 32 organizations led by road to recovery and catholic whistleblowers approached the obama administration and pleaded for a national commission to investigate the catholic clergy sexual abuse problem. we did not get anywhere, but we're still doing these kind of things. australia, the royal commission was an absolute gem. it is going to be a seminal work in the history of child protection. we need to do the same thing in the united states. nermeen: do you think the vatican will respond, shaun? >> i think eventually, they're going to have to respond. i think the politicians are gogoing to have to respond. let's keep in mind, this is a very damning report that was exposed. they were successful at redacting 30 names. every diocese in pennsylvania -- amy: of the priests. >> every diocese in pennsylvania is exposed. if you are a pennsylvanian, listen to this, and you have

young daughters were young boys, i can't tell you where in pennsylvania those 30 people are right now. the only way we can do that is if we pass the legislation because those 30 are going to argue before the supreme court the catholic church and those 30 are going to be hidden unless the supreme court releases those names. so there is no telling where these 30 guys are operating in pennsylvania. amy: you compare the treatment of these rapists in the cover-up of them to the national catholic reporter in 2010, a catholic nun who is a member of a phoenix catholic constables ethics committee, was excommunicated forreassigned last week allowing an abortion to take for allowing an abortion to take place in a hospital. the surgery considered necessary to save the life of a critically ill patient. do you compare it to that? and you think about the other stories that were told, for example, this was in the pennsylvania attorney general's report -- inriest left the priesthood

1990, moved to orlando, florida area, and went on to work at inney world before he died 2014. and how is that connected to the catholic church? he got a letter of recommendation from the catholic church. >> this is systemic. when governor franank keating resigned as the chair of the first national review board, was set up after the dallas charter was passed in 2002, he resigned and said, this is exactly what the mafia does like. it is dealing with the mafia. and that is what we're dealing with. we have to make sure that catholics takeke back ththeir ch and insist that these people are illuminanated, fired. that is what the pope has to do. he has to havave mass firings of bishops and the leadership has to change. that leads them to the

structural change that need to bebe made. things like mandatory celibacy, which is absurd. and in 2010, the fact we still have some of these traditions in place. amy: what about nuns as priests? >> if women were in leadership positions, this never would have happened. >>. only leadership positions, but positions of power. ona woman that is celibate level nun not on level heading as a priest in the eyes of the church, but in thehe eyes of the church, is a nunun feels within herself that she is on equal footing with these priests, there's nothining to prevent her from saying "hey, what is going on here? this is no more." policing.re good at

they only have so much power. you can't police the priests if you have less power. amy: we want to thank you both for being with us. for sharing your stories, for responding to this report, and of course we will continue to cover this story. this is one state, pennsylvania. do you know of other states doing this can of investigation? >> we are sitting in one of the worst. amy: new york. >> we are in gold to mississippi and alabama as far as our statutes of limitation in new york over. plus, we have times square, st. patrick's cathedral, niagara falls -- these guys work just like single guys. they bring them across state lines. let's go to new york. i will take you to st. patrick's. i will take you to a broadway show. we will go to niagara falls. you will be sexual abuse, but you'll have a great time. i wiwill get you a hat and we wl take you home to your family. we need 49 more grand jury

investigations is what we need. amy: in all of the states. -- shaun dougherty was molested by a priest from the altoona-johnstown diocese in pennsylvania. bob hoatson is a former catholic priest and president of road to recovery, which assists victims of sexual abuse. when we come back, we're going to detroit to speak with rashida tlaib. stay with us. ♪ [ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with nermeen shaikh. nermeen: we turn now to look at congressional candidate that is poised become the first

palestinian american woman and first muslim woman to serve in congress. a democratic is socialist who supports the palestinian right of return and a one state solution. she also supports medicare for all, $15 minimum wage, and abolishing ice. the child of immigrants, she has spoken out against the trump administration's travel ban. amy: last week rashida tlaib wanted democratic print for john conyers old house seat in michigan. this is a part of her victory speech. >> i will uplift you in so many ways, not only in service, but fighting back against every single oppressive, racist structure -- a formershida tlaib is member of the michigan house of representatives. she is joining us now from detroit. welcome to democracy now!

your response to your victory, extremely significant considering your running unopposed in the general election in november, what will be your first act as a congress member from detroit, as the first palestinian-american initician in -- woman congress as well is the first muslim woman to be elected? >> i'm going to introduce the justice for all civil rights act . as many of you probably have heard and i have been talking about the fact the 1964 civil rights act has not been basically implemented as it was intended. the last 55 years, we have seen the courts very heavily stacked with conservative judges, completely change how we apply s showsaying we c c only our civil rights was impacted or violated with intent, intentional discrimination.

what i i want to do is intntroda proposal that would change it back to saying that if you show the impact in itself, the impact of the policy may be redlining through the car insurance industry, maybe deny people of color the right to home ownership, those are the kinds of things that i think we need to get back to. and the impact of policy inn itself that is discriminated when it is on the ground, thenn it should be considerered a violation of our civil rights. nermeen: could you talk about how being a palestinian-american influenced your r policies a ane posititions that you have taken? >> it is a combination. i grew up in detroit where 85% of my neighbors are african-american, where many of my teachers to detroit public schools were women, women of color who marched seven si with martin luther king. so many of them told me their grandparents and their parents

could not buy homes in certain parts of the community. all of that and combined with hearing the stories of may ancestors who talked about the fact they could not -- they were forced to leave their homes or discriminated against primarily because of their ethnicity. again, i think that combination come all of that here at home and experiencing it outside of my home through friends and mentors and teachers, and everyone around me, i think all of those things comes with me when i serve in congress and represent and fight for the families of the 13th congressional district. amy: you certainly will be voting on issues related to israel and palestine. can you talk about the right of return and what you think is the solution? a child of palestinian immigrants come agagain, every corner of my district is a reminder of the civil rights movement and to bring that lens, and i try -- many of the

palestinians have called and reached out to me via social media. all i can say is i'm going to humanize this issue. i am not going to choose sides. i am for everyone. every single person deserves to have equal access to opportunity, to feel safe where they live, and to really be a genuine partner and visionary in thateaching peace region. i come with those stories of my family. those are the kinds of stories i bring to try to humanize the issue. not trying to choose sides and these labels that people are already putting on me as if i have to be one for the other when i can't just be fofor humanity and for everyone that lives in israel and palestine. every single one -- i can take the majority do not speak about this issue like the leadership there.

they all really do want to live side-by-side. this kind of separate but equal -- i have seen what it is done here in america and it does not work a and it still doesn't t w. ofn continued segregation our schools which has increased with the privatization of our school system, all of these things, again, i come with that lens as well as a lawyer -- amy: do you advocate a one state solution for israel and palestine? >> i absolutely believe separate but equal does not work. but as an american, amy, and you know this, i can't impose michael believes onto a whole people. i don't live there. i live here. but i can tell you if it was something of a possibility for a two state solution, absolutely. do i think it may work? my only opinion is, i don't know. north seen south versus did not work for us. i really just see this again through an american lens that grew up in a predominately

african-american community. and looking at that history and understanding that one state and two-state is a struggle. as for us to be able to try americans to finally just step back and allow people to determine at themselves, not to impose my own opinions on to a whole people. so know that i believe in those kinds of values of equality and that equality and justice for someone should not be based on their ethnicity, on their faith. i think that is what drives me to say, of course i believe to lean toward a one state because i'm optimistic, i am hopeful that the day that my grandfather told me the story of the arab jew that used to form the next game, that it wasn't who was palestinian or israeli, they both were arab, they both were farming and providing for their families. again, i am an optptimist. i believe in one day to get back to that moment when my grandfather can look to his neighbor and i feel that he is less than. nermeen: to go back to the

policies you have advocated here in the u.s., you support medicare for all, as we mentioned earlier. you were asked by "the new york times" how you planned to find that. and you pulled up the department of defense website and read aloud it's s daily announcements of new contracts, some for hundreds of millions of dollars. you have also taken a very strong antiwar stance. could you say how you intend to cut military spending and whether you hope to find many democratic allies in attempting to do so? >> absolutely. we have to separate this idea of,", supporting obviously our men and women in the armed forces, and i can say this is about the military complex, amy. just like i say, look at how we are funding education, which has , a become industry for-profit industry.

i don't want military, our health industry -- look at what has happened that every single thing, from even our police, has become a for-profit industry. these are private companies -- yesterday, i think it was $44 million in contracts to for-profit companies, industries, that are getting with the navyrk and the army and so forth. the website, ip wanted to prove a point that is this money that is really helping the american people, or is it helping companies? when we become corporation-driven government, from having our military and having our education system, even now our health care system is so much leaning toward very corporate-like and very for-profit and i think that is when the danger comes in. that is from we know those people are not for us but for the greed t that comes with chia

privatize our whole military industry. amy: rashida tlaib, with the israeli military killing it is believed over 140 palestinians in the latest protests in gaza, do you believe u.s. food cut off military aid in israel? >> i believe we should not supporting any kind of aid toward c countries that are killing people that are innocent. you can claim come as many will clai t that this iss about security and soo forth, but i think america needs to be held responsible. me as an american, i know and feel thathen you otesters, peaceful protesters marching it in africa and in other parts of the world, that if it is promoting the violation of people's international human rights, if it is promoting the lack of freedom of speech, the lack of freedom to assemble -- which is our -- part of our core of who we are as americans,

then, yes, cutting off aid is a possibility for me. absolutely. we have to use our american eight and partnership as leverage to promote who we are. and we don't do that by supporting those kinds of feelings. amy: i want to go to this amazing 2016 moment right at the democratic convention and donald trump spoke at the detroit economic club. the is right after constitution was held up and told candidate trump to read it. during his speech, women and the audience repeatedly stood up to ask about his stance on sexual harassment in the workplace. one of the women was you, rashida tlaib. you got up and you shouted -- "have you ever read the u.s. constitution, you need to read the u.s.s. constitution!" we are playing the video. let's go to a clip. >> [indiscernible]

amy: we are watching right now you being taken out by security as you were standing there. talk about what you were chanting in these last 30 seconds, what you are to many of then candidate donald trump. , as he comesng him less than n a mile away from w e i live, if yet ever r read the u.s. constitution and whwhat pat of the u.s. constitution does he believe in. i think it is so important that we really get back to who we are. trump'p's america is not who we are. it was my most american thihing that i could ever have done is ask him a question that they, alongside with 12 other women women who also asked about labor rights, sexual harassment in the workplace. amy: could you see yourself doing the same thing again with you as a congress member and him as president? >> i am bringing my bullhorn to

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