09/18/18 09/18/18 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! pres. trump: i won him t to go n at the absolute highest level. to do that, i think you have to go throughgh this. the senate judiciary committee has announced it will hold another hearing on supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh next monday following accusations he a attempted to re a 15-year-old girl at a party while he was in high school. both kavanaugh and his accuser, professor christine blasey ford,

will testify. we'll speak with the intercept's ryan grim. it was the first report dianne feinstein had a secret letter from dr. blasey ford. enter the floods in north carolina. happened,t time this it was matthew. and now i believe the worst is yet to come.e. this is the water rising to another 20 to 25 feet. amy: is the death toll from hurricane florence reaches 32, some undocumented immigrants in faceegion fear they will immigration enforcement if they seek help. this comes as the trump administration has shifted to million dollars from fema to ice . this week marks the 10th anniversary of the collapse of u.s. investment bank lehman brothers that trigger the onset

of the global financial crisis. it is also the seventh anniversary of occupy wall street. >> what they're doing here is the assembly. the court demands, i think, seems to be, the right to organize, to have a political conversation in a public space, to show wall s street, so t to spspeak, what t democracy y loos like. amy: we will speak with nathan schneider, an activist with occupy, his new book outlines an alternatative economic model bad on cooperative ownership. it is called "everything for everyone: the radical tradition that is shaping the next economy." all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the trump administration has once again slashed the number of refugees allowed to resettle in the united states. on monday, secretary of state mike pompeo announced the new

cap on refugees would be a historic low of just 30,000 next year, down from the current level 45,000. but the actual number of refugees allowed in the country is expected to be far lower. amnesty international decried the move as an "all-out attack against our country's ability to reresettle refugees s both now d in the future." under president obama, the refugee cap reached 110,000. senate judiciary committee chair chuck grassley has announced the committee will hold another a hearing on supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh next monday following the accusatitions he attempted o rape a 15-year-old girl at a party while he was in high school. both kavanaugh and his accuser, professor christine blasey ford, will testify. ford told "the washington post" kavanaugh and his friend pushed her into a bedroom during a party and that kavanaugh then forcibly pinned her down on a bed and tried to pull off her

clothes. she says she tried to scream, but that kavanaugh put his hand over her mouth to silence her. kavanaugh has denied the accusation. dr. blasey ford identified kavanaugh's friend as the conservative writer mark judge. judge once wrote a book about his high school days titled, "wasted: tales of a gen x drunk." the book describes being an alcoholic in high school and even features a cameo by someone he callsls "bart o'kavanaugh" wo puked in someone's car and passssed out on his way back frm a party. on monday, republican senator susan collins welcome the additional hearing. veryit does make it do -- difficult and that is why it is important to be a very thorough interview and that we see both individuals respond to the allegations. there are an awful lot of questions, inconsistencies, gaps, and that is why to be fair to both, we need to know what

happened. amy: we will have more on judge brett kavanaugh after headlines. in news from syria, a russian reconnaissance aircraft carrying -- was shot down by a syrian surface-to-air missile over the mediterranean sea. it killed all 15 people on board. the incident occurred at the sasame time israraeli fighter js were carrying out a series of bombings in the syrian province of latakia. russia has accused the israeli aircraft of pushing the russian plane into the line of fire of syria's air defense system. in other news from syria, the leaders of russia and turkey have announcnced plans t to crea new demilitarized zone betetween rerebels and govovernment forcen syria's idlib b region. it remains unclear if syria will go along with the plan. in news from yemen, the u.s.-backed saudi coalition is being accused of bombing a yemeni radio station sunday killing four people inclcluding three e employees s of the stat. the committetee to protect journanalists condemned the atattack.

tens of thousands of north koreans welcomed south korean president moon jae-in as he arrived in pyongyang today for his third summit with north korean leader kim jong-un. the leaders are reportedly working on a statement to declare the end of the korean war, a move opposed by the united states. the death toll from hurricane florence has reachched 32, while the rivers in the carolinas continue to rise from the record-breaking storm. tens of thousands of homes have been damaged. the city of wilmington, north carolina, remains largely cut off from the rest of the state. on monday, north carolina governor roy cooper warned the worst flooding may still be to come. >>a this isn epic storm that is still continuing to cause the rivers -- because the rivers are rising in certain parts of our state. some areas have not seen the worst flooding yet. disasters a monumental

for our state that affffects may ofof our counties, many of our people. amy: the rains have also swawamd coal ash dumpsps and open-air hg manure pits adding to the storm's devastation. duke energy says cubic yards of coal asash -- not 20,000 cubic tons as we reported on monday -- were released amid tropical depression florence's massive flooding in nonorth carolina. that's enough ash to roughly fill 180 dump trucks. the toxic ash could run off into the nearby cape fear river. meananwhile, a massive typhoon n southeast asia has killed atat least 74 people in the philippines and forced more than three million people to evacuate their homes in china. scores more are feared dead following a landslide in the small philippines mining town of itogon. many d died in a chapel where tn had taken shelter. meanwhile, in nigeria, at least 100 people have died as

torrential downpour and floods continue to plague the south and central regions s of the countr. a national disaster has been declared in the most affected regions. residents in the south-central port city of lokoja were displaced due to the flooding. this is blessing solomon. >> we're thinking maybe it was just ordinary water. [indiscernible] we thohought this wawas a joke. very serious. verybody y just -- i don't have anywhere to go. amy: in gaza, in israeli aiairstrike killlled to tylelery of the border fence with israel.

the two men were discovered by medics on monday night. the gaza health history is rereporting at least 26 palestinians were shot on monday during protests. bank, acupied west 24-year-old palestinian man died early this morning while in custody after he was arrested during an israeli military raid. hasasan's to prime ministete announunced plans to grant citizenship to anyone born in pakikistan. the announcement is a departure from the current policy and could drastically change the lives s of pakistan's massive refugee populations. khan said -- "those afghans whose children are born here and have grown up in pakistan we will also, god willing, get for them." -- get passports for them." according to u.n. numbers, close toto 1.5 million afghan n refugs who were born in pakistan could benefifit from the policicy. bengali refugees in pakistan, which include the rohingya community, would also be granted citizenship. jasoncago, the trial of

van dyke, the officer who killed laquan mcdonald, is under way. on the opening day of the trial, the jury was shown the now viral dashcam video showing van dyke shooting the unarmed african-american teenager 16 times as he walks awayay from h. van dyke faces two counts of first-degree mururder. he is s the firsrst police offir in chicago to o stand triaial fr killing someone on duty in 50 years. last year, three chicago police officers were indicted on felony charges for conspiring to cover up the facts of mcdonald's shooting. chicago mayor rahm emanuel has also been sharply criticized for his response to the killing, namely in the delayed release of the dashcam evidence. the miami herald reports that a former police chief in biscayne park, florida, pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge of depriving innocent african-american men of three their civil rights by framing them. raimundo atesiano admitted to directing police officers to frame innocent men in cases of

unsolved burglaries and break-ins to benefit his department's crimes record. atesiano had previously boasted about the department's 100% -- sucuccess rate. atesiano reached a plea deal with the u.s. attorney's office and will face sentencing in president trump has taken the november. unusual step of ordering the intelligence community to declassify a trove of documents and messages related to the ongoing investigation into russia's alleged meddling in the 2016 election. the documents include the fisa warrant application targeting trump campaign foreign policy adviser carter page as well as the text messages related to the russian probe of a number of former high-ranking fbi and department of justice officials which included former fbi director james comey as well as well andrew mccabe, peter strzok, lisa page, and bruce ohr. congressman adam schiff, the top ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee, criticized trump calling his move a clear abuse of power. in medianews, salesforce ceo

marc benioff and his wife lynne have purchased time magazine from meredith corp for $190 million. time magazine is the latest publication to be purchased by a billionaire. biotech --s year, but the san diego tribune. sheldon adelson bought the las vegas review journal two years ago. in 2013, jeff bezos s famously the washington post. the texas state board of education has voted in favor of removing certain content from the required social studies curriculum in order to "streamline" the curricuculum. historical figures that may be dropped include deaf-blind civil writes socialist pioneer helen keller and hillary clinton, thee first femamale presidentntial nominee for a major party, who both scored low on the board's grading system. the republican majority board's decision will undergo a final vote in november after a period of public response.

and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. juan: and i'm juan gonzalez. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. senate judiciary committee chair chuck grassley has announced the committee will hold another hearing on supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh monday following accusations he attempted to rapape a 15-y-yeard girl a at a party while he was n high school. both kavanaugh and his accuser, professor christine blasey ford, will testify under oath. ford told "the washington post" kavanaugh and his friend pushed her into a bedroom during a party and that kavanaugh then forcibly pinned her down o on a bed and tried to pull off her clothes. she says she tried to scream, but that kavanaugh put his hand over her mouth to silence her. on monday, her attorney deborah katz called the incident an attempted rape. she spoke on cnn. >> she clearly considered this

intent does attempted rape. amy: kavanaugh has denied d the accusation and issued a new statement monday that -- "i have never done anything like what the accuser describes -- to her or to anyone. because this never happened, i had nono idea who was making t s accusation until she identified herself yesterday." dr. blasey ford identified kavanaugh's friend as the conservative writer mark judge. judge once wrote a book about his high school days titled, "wasted: tales of a gen x drunk." the book describes being an alcoholic in high school and even features a cameo by someone he calls "bart o'kavanaugh" who commented in someone's car and passed out on his way back from a party. on monday, republican senator susan collins welcomed the additional hearing and said that if kavanaugh lied about what happened, that would be "disqualifyiying."

>> it is important to be a very thorough interview and that we s respond toividual the allegations. there are a lot of questions, inconsistencies, gaps, and that is why, to be fair to both, we need to know what happened. obviously, if judge kavanaugh has lied about what happepened, thatat would be disqualifying. dr. christineer, blasey ford, is a professor at palo alto university in california who teaches in a consortium with stanford university, training graduate students in clinical psychology. monday's hearing comes just 50 days before midterm elections. meanwhile, democrats have called for the fbi to re-open kavanaugh's background check investigation. senator richard blumenthal told "the washington post" -- "if there's a hearing before that investigation, the

committee is going to be shooting in the dark with questions." for more, we are joined here in our new york studio by ryan grim, washington, d.c., bureau chief for the intercept. last week he was the first to report that democratic senator dianne feinstein had a letter describing an incident involving kavananaugh and a woman in high school, and that feinstein was refusing to share it with her democratic colleagues. his new piece is headlined "attorney sent letter to chuck grassley and dianne feinstein claiming federal court employees willing to speak about brett kavanaugh." ryan, welcome back to democracy now! let's start with the tick-tock, if you will, how all this was revealed. you are the one who broke the story of this secret letter. >> if you peace together my reporting with ronan farrow's reporting, you find on july 6, she first sent a letter to her local congresswoman. amy: you're saying "her" because she was anonymous.

we nowtold her friends know, she warned him, she said, i've reached out to the washington post tip line and to my congresswoman and i plan to reach out to my senator and the world is going to come down on me. i'm willing to take the plunge. this is a decision i have made. this was july. dianne feinstein says she can't recall if she spoke with dr. blasey ford after getting the letter. her office said thahat feinstein did speak to her. in any event, as all of this unfolded, she witnessed the way that kavanaugh's nomination was marching forward. for some reason, decided to walk back. ronan farrow has reported that feinstein wanted to make the kind of legal argument against kavanaugh rather than a personal argument against him. so in all of this context she decided, you know what? maybe this isn't the right time. why destroy my life if democrats are just going to roll over and

he is going to be confirmed anyway. in the last week or so -- juan: meanwhile, during this time, did feinstein notify any of the other members of the committee about what she had? >> no. no. somehow word leaked out to some other members of the committee in the last week or two, and they came to her and said, we appreciate the role of confidentiality. we respect victims rights here, but we don't necessarily want you to unilaterally make a decision on whether or not this letter should be senent to fedel authorities, whether there should be further investigation, whether we can speak to the victim and talk to her about coming forward. and she refused. she said, no. amy: this is dr. christine -- >> feinstein. she said i'm not going to share the letter. once you have a dispute among democrats on the committee like that, it is only a matter of time until he gets into the press. so i had sources telling me about this dispute, that there were democrats on the committee

who wanted to privately view the letter -- not that they wanted to out the victim or wanted her to release the letter even, but that they wanted to view it privately to see what these allegations were, to see whether or not there needed to be a ratcheting up of the situation. so after my story can now, there was a meeting of the committee democrats. they pressured her. they said, you better do something. amy: what could be her logic for not sharing itit with the other members of the committee? not she's going to raise it --- head, butget in her she taken a much more conservative approach to this nomination. her fellow committee members were disrupting the hearing. cory booker famously released private documents, which turned out not to be private -- there is been a lot of theater. amy: facing expulsion from the senate. >> perhaps she worried if she shared ad come although she could've redacted it, but if she shared it, that it would eventually leak out.

and to be sure, once other committee members did find out about it, it did get out into the press. juan: what would be the rationale for not at least notifying the fbi that there was otother information they may hae to look into, into kavanaugh's background? >> once you notify the fbi, the fbi put that document in his backgrouound file in that background file is accessible to other committee members. othert is accessible to committee members, it may leak out into the public. amy: so then senator feinstein, though it sounds like, at least according to dr. blasey's lawyer, who felt that it was senator feinstein who did the right thing and she was somewhat appalled that it got out, apparently -- i mean, then senator feinstein is stopping even the fbi investigating a

possible crime. >> right. what is also interesting, and we're going to learn more about this over the years and decades to come, did feinstein ultimately give permission to send it to the fbi last thursday? she has been saying since july she did not turn it over on principle. did she cave on that principle because she was under pressssure from her democratic colleagues, or did she reach out -- her attorney said feinstein had not reached out. we will see about that. she made a judgment that it became untenable. in fact, it is have the effect of, in some respect, discrediting the allegations because now republicans are saying, oh, this looks like a last-minute thing, you're throwing every thing against the wall, white and we're about this before come yet all of these opportunities. amy: and the minority leader of this committee that was when kavanaugh did not think perhaps, i mean, it has a suggestion of

this was w worthy enough to investigate. >> in some ways -- innocence that she did not come at the last minute. before he was even nominated -- he was only on the shohortlist. she was s telling friends about this before he was even on thths list of 10 o or so approved nominees. juan: i want to ask about your second piece. it suggests there could be other people who have information about judge kavanaugh that hahas not come forward. could you talk about that? also, who is cyrus and i? >> he is an attorney and california was the whistleblower who first called out judge alex kaczynski. he was the chief judge of the ninth circuit court who in december of 2017, was finally brought down by series of washington post articles about his sexual harassment in the workplace over decades. he came out in 2008 and may

these allegations, publicly filed complaints. amy: this is the attorney. >> and has consistently since then, the ninth circuit judges are the ones who police themselves, so alex isn't ski state on the court -- alice kaczynski took on the court. become of that, he is the person that you speak to about issues related to the ninth circuit court. theou are an employee with federal branch, that is who you would logically reach out to to talk about blowing the whistle because he has is already present in on brought up among these judges. you know he's going to protect your evidence. after my original story came out, he reached out to me and said, i also sent a letter to chuck grassley and feinstein in july saying there are members of the federal court, employees of the federal court who knew and worked with kavanaugh and can

testify under the right circumstances ifif they are protected that kavanaugh is lying about what he knew about the judge's behavior. kavanaugh had said he was shocked and sad and appalled. amy: explain kavanaugh's relationship with the judge. >> not only was he is quick and early 90's, he became with him afterwards. he and his and ski -- alice ed supreme court justices. kavanaugh's own clerk last or zynski's middle son. emco and kavanaugh was recommended to be anthony's clerk. thatd recommmmended kavanaugh be his replacement. with alex kaczynski, without him, you don't have kavanaugh.

he has distanced himself in testimony and a public statements from the behavior. a senator said, please search your email and check to see if you got any sexually inappropriate emails from alice kaczynski. to know him for 20 years and to not have is very strange. his reply was, instead of the wall of denial he gave his testimony, his reply was, i do not remember receiving any sexually inappropriate emails. that is the end of his written reply. soso now, accordining to sanai, there are employers who would say that is nonsense. not that kavanaugh proved that he is lying abouout this and his credibility is nowow central to the accusation of the attempted rape. the: i want to get back to claims of dr. blasey ford in terms of their was supposedly

another person in the room when kavanaugh allegedly sexually assaulted professor blasey ford. a guy by the name o of mark jud. good you talk about mark judge, who he is? >> he is known in washington. when he was brought out as the character wititness for judge kavanaugh, that should have been setting off alarm bells for everyone. it is likeke bringining out the worst guy in your crew is the one you sent to "the new york times" to vouch for your character. if mark judge is the b best yoyu can do, that is deeply alarming. people can just google mark judge and findnd some of his pat writings, stuff that is racist, misogynist. feministid it is nice say yes means yes and no means no, but there's a middle ground.

like, he has written these words in print. not on facebook or tweets, but in published articles. if this is the person who was brought out to deny he would ever do such a thing and then it was not surprising to find out namede was the accomplice by dr. blasey ford as physically, literally, in the room. and now kavanaugh is saying he was not at this party. which is an odd denial because she is not specified what the date was her with the address raises rededalso flags. how do you deny being at a party that hasn't been specified which party it was? my: so what happens on monday? yesterday we had an extended discussion with this on democracy now! it brings us back to anita hill. >> as susan collins said in the sound you played earlier, the

question moves from is this behavior disqualifying? there are a number of republicans who are coming out and saying, boys will be boys. we should forgive behavior like this by a 17 year old. what collins has done is move it to come is he being truthful about whether or not he did it? so a l lot of it will come down, unfortunately, to how credible the witness appears. from everything i've been able to gather from her, she is extremely formidable woman and has passed a lie detector test. -- has their best notes from therapist notes from six years ago. she has other friends she has confided in. who justis somebody exudes credibility. meanwhile, kavanaugh has perjured himself in front of the committee already about whether or not he had exploited stolen documents back in 2000's.

amy: back when he worked under george w. bush around the issue of judicial nominations. >> he said he did not use the stolen documents and that is a lie. there are emails that prove he did it. one of the subject lines and one of the males said, -- of the emails, he has been caught red-handed lying about that particular issue. amy: that goes to the issue of perjury because he was asked -- >> and he also said he knew 'sthing about alex kozinski behavior. thats say that is absurd it has been going on for decades. juan: what about the issue, obviously, in the anita hill case, she was alleging conduct by clarence thomas, supreme court nominee, while they were working together.

it was harassment -- she claimed, by him, on the job. we're talking about an incident that happened, like people is that, one was s 15 and one was . if it did happen. what about the situations involved? >> one of the interesting differences is that in 1991, the behavior that she was describing -- not the specific actions, but the general behavior of men harassing women in the workplace, was almost universal. it was so widespread. there but for the grace of god go i attitude of men was much more pronounced and out in the open. like, they were much less ashamed to say, well, maybe we cultur but it the ise what it is. there are some men who were hinting the same thing about attended rate, butut it is much momore difficult to publicly say who amongst us hasn't tried to rape a woman?

that is -- people are making that claim in public. but t many fewewer. and they're being called out. are you listing to yourself? do you hear what you're saying? so that, i think, is a key difference, that the behavavior was criticized but broadly accepted in 1991, what clarence thomas was doing, whereas nobody can, with h a straight face, sa, well, who hasn't committed a rape? here or there is a teenager? amy: and your response to trumump's response t to this coo go ahead with the hearings? >> i think a lot of people are just going to ignore what trump's position is on this.s. trump stood by roy moore through multiple, credible allegations of molesting young girls. he stood by rob porter even after we published photos of the physical abuse he had committed

totoward his f first wife.e. of hiself has posted pensnsion for sexual assault. if mark judge and donald trump are your chararacter witnesses hehere, you're in trouble. amy: ryan grim, thank you for being with us washington, d.c., , bureauau chief for the intercept. we willing to his new piece "attorney sent letter to chuck grassley and dianne feinstein claiming federal court employees willing to speak about brett kavanaugh." he broke the storyry that senatr dianne feinstein had a secret letter from an anonymous woman who was accusing brett kavanaugh of attempted rape when they were both in high school. this is democracy now! we will be back in a minute. ♪ [music break]

amy: "bathala" by bayang barrios. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. juan: the death toll from hurricane florenence has reached 32 as rivers in the carolinas continue to rise from the record-breaking storm. while the worst ofof the hurrice is over, officials say the most dangngerous flooding is yet to come for residents of the carolinas and virginia, where around half a million homes remain without power. thousands of residents have been ordered to evacuate their homes and hundreds more have sought rescue from rising floodwaters. this includes undocumented immigrants in the region who have expressed concern they will encounter immigration enforcement if they seek help. a mother in the coastal city of wilmington, north carolina -- which is cut off from the rest of the state by floodwaters -- told nbc news she feared being separated from her children by

ice if t they evacuated to a a shelter. my littlest daughter asked , mom, andnd very frayed our hohome is going to be d destroyd and i don't want to go to a shelter because id not want -- i don't want to be s separated frm you. i would rather die first than be separated from you. juan: immigration authorities say they have suspended enforcement actions in areas affected by hurricane florence. but tensions remain high. nonorth carolina i is one of the stateses that pioneered police collaboration with ice in so-called 287g programs, which allow state and local authorities to partner with immigration officials. federal prosecutors have also demanded millions of the state's voter records be turned over to immigration authoritities by the end of the month and have charged 19 foreign nationals of voting without citizenship in the 2016 election. amy: this comes as newly released budget documents show the trump administration reallocated nearly $10 million from fema's budget to ice to pay

for detention space and deportations. fema has said it faced staffing shortages and other logistical challenges after hurricane maria in puerto rico, where nearly 3000 people died in the storm and its aftermath. even though president trump has denied these figures. fofor more, we go to nororth carolina where we're joined in durham by laura garduño garcia. she is an organizer with the american friends service committee and a member of the immigrant rights organization siembra nc. she is also a daca recipient who has lived in north carolina for the last 20 years. also with us in d.c. is mary small, policy director for detention watch network. she helped expose how the trump administration diverted nearly $10 million from fema to ice. she is from north carolina herself. let's t turn first to laura. talk about the impact of the

storm in north carolina, in particular its affect on the immigrant community. >> good morning. now immigrant community members in north carolina are seeing clear skies, but we know the dangers of floodwaters are still there in many parts of the state. and most alarming is the fact that 44 counties that have been the hardest struck by hurricane florence are also in the robertt of u.s. attorney higdon, who is basically jeff sessions' henchmen here in north carolina, as you stated already, these are the counties where officials are acting hand-in-hand with ice to prosecute individuals who are undocumented for illegal reentry. that is not happening anywhere else in the state. this is the same place where in

the state of north carolina we now have a task force to detect fraud, immigration fraud and document fraud, in which the u.s. district attorney is working hand-in-hand with ice. in the moment where we are looking at the devastation caused by the hurricane, immigrant families are not able to trust in federal agencies looking out for the well-being and are not able to seek the support from fema because of their undocumented status. so right now we know individuals who are in the community are facing fear, are facing distrust of federal agencies, and are in imminent need of resources and support to come out from the hurricane and the storm. i think that is very difficult for community members to have to

deal with. and so anyone who is watching at this moment, who is looking at images of north carolina, parts of north carolina under water, we know that fema is not going to get to all of the individuals .hat need this help the most this is the moment when donations are very important so that community members have the resources in the health they need to come out -- and the help they need to come out of the storm. we can do so by donating. juan: laura, i wanted ask you, the ice officials have said they want to be doing many active enforcement actions during the evacuations were in the shelters as a result of hurricane florence. what is your sense of what is going on? you mentioned in the past with ora, whether it was in texas florida, that once the issue of rebuilding occurs, those folks

who are undocumented and deal with the reality that the federal government, especially fema, is not going to be responsive to claims from the undocumented? >> right. so i think the first part of the question is, what our community members feeling? if we're told ice is saying we're not going to conduct enforcement operations at this time in the communities that have been affected by florence, we have reason to distrust any statement that agency put out. because in the past, they y have not a byby the by the statatemes theyey have made and furthermor, partrt of the emergency response agents that are coming to the state are in customs and border patrol vehicles and uniforms. that in no way cement trust between community members and the federal agency. when we know what customs and

border patrol are meant to do. it is just appalling the total disregard to community members who are facing the devastation following the storm to then come out looking for help or looking for supplies to take back to their homes and then find everywhere in the eastern part of t the sta's cucustoms and border patrol vehiclcles. it is totally unacceptable. fema should not be engaging in these tactics. amy: i want to bring mary small into this discussion, executive director of detention watch network. expose the 10 main dollars taken from fema and given, diverted to ice. can you explain what you learned? >> the documents that were released just recently are actually sort of the culmination of a multiyear tracking process. over the last three years, ice has perfected this scheme where

they have ratcheted up the funding that they use for detention and deportation twice per year. they get an increase from congress. congress is in on this, too. they over spend their money and make up the difference by grabbing money from other parts of the agency. and they get a bump in the overspend, grab or money. by repeating this three times, they have moved one billion additional dollars into the account they use. the documents that were released recently show the most recent from grabbing the mouse. the 10 main dollars they took from fema is one part of this bigger story, financial minute to expand theis deportation machine that is reflected in what laura is talking about on the ground in north carolina. isn: i -- our understanding

ice alone is spending about $3.6 billion on detention and transportation of the undocumented? could you talk about this explosion of the amount of money spent on detaining and goodporting, which awesome in deporting, the undocumented immigrants? >> i think the outrage is well-placed. this massive sum of money is going to open up new detention facilities, including really big facilities that are operated by private prison companies. as you say, transporting people for deportation. so really putting into practice some of the worst and most harmful policies for communities. i think, while i am really glad the fact that money was taken from fema to be moved into the account of detention and deportation, it is really coming to light in a major way, i think we have to zoom out even further to understand it is not just

fema money is coming from. these precious taxpayer dollars could be going to housing or health care or any number of other things that help communities thrive together rather than so violently and aggressively separating them. amy: fema agency spokesperson tyler holton said -- "under no circumstances was any disaster relief funding transferred from @fema to immigration enforcement efforts. this is a sorry attempt to push a false agenda at a time when the administration is focused on assisting millions on the east coast facing a catastrophic disaster." mary, your response to this? >> i think that is just parsing words. the request that we were able to get a hold of and sure with congressional offices shows are cicely that, that money can be moved around between accounts. so to say the money that was taken was baby slated for something other than emergency response isn't responsive to the fact it could have been used for that and at a time where puerto rico is so desperately and so need of assistance, fema talking

about stuffing shortages, the money could of been shifted. juan: what about the rebuilding of the rebuilding process after the storm? what is the legal situation for those who may be undocumented in terms of being able to get any kind of disaster assistance? not the best person to speak of that. go ahead, laura. access -- juan: i'm sorry? amy: laura, go ahead. >> we know individuals who are undocumented are not able to access the support or resources from fema. we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people in the past who have been left out by the federal agency. and we expect that will happen

again in the state of north carolina, which is why we call to action by making donations to grassroots organizations who understand that not only immigrant communities have been left behind, but historically, black c community's have been lt in the darark after hurricanes n the past like we saw in katrina. for months, if not years at a time. soso grassrootots organizationse mobilizing right now. and individuals who are able to should be looking at making donations directly to these grassroots organizations at tiny.ccflorencs. amy: thank you for being with us laura garduño garcia and mary small. tora, what is your message immigrants, especially undocumented p people in the mit of this storm, even as the floodwaters rise?

message to the people in my community here in the state where i call home is you should find support in local organizations who will look to you, who will look to to find what they're able to provide to you. and are willing to go forward their best effort to fill the gaps that the federal agency will leave behind, no question. but we must come forward with our requests, with our needs, and we should try local groups or create our own to support one another in these times. because not only are we facing the devastation of hurricane florence, but we know we will continue facing attacks on our immigrant community. together we are stronger. amy: thank you so much. this is democracy now! the we come back, it is 10th anniversary of the economic collapse of lehman brothers collapsing, the seventh anniversary of occupy wall street. we will speak with occupy

activist nathan schneider. his new book, "everything for everyone." stay with us. ♪ [music break] amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. juan: t this week m marks the

seventh anniversary of the occupy wall street movement, and 10 years since the collapse of u.s. investment bank lehman brothers that triggered the onset of the global financial crisis. millions of people in the united states and around the world lost their jobs, homes, and life savings, even as the u.s. government bailed out some of wall street's biggest failing banks. over the weekend, activists in europe protested outside banks in france and germany to mark the 10th anniversary. amy: the financial crisis also sparked massive global anti-capitalist movements, including the occupy movement, the m-15 movement in spain, and the anti-austerity movements in greece. talk more about the impacts of two the crisis 10 years later, we're joined now by nathan schneider, whose new book outlines an alternative economic model based on cooperative ownership. he argues that the cooperative movement has witnessed a resurgence since the 2008 financial crisis. schneider's book is just out called "everything for everyone: the radical tradition that is shaping the next economy."

his recent piece for vice is headlined, "rich people broke america and never paid the price." he is also the author of "thank you, anarchy: notes from the occupy apocalypse." nathan schneider is a journalist and author, and media studies professor at the university of colorado boulder. image i just came from boulder. talk about this 10th anniversary of what is called economic collapsese, but also the seventh anniversary of occupy, which you are very much a part o of. looks it is striking how little we are marking these anniversaries. especially the anniversary of the crash, which is so defined the last 10 years and has defined my generation, has defined so many of our lives. i think a reason that we haven't been celebrating it is we recognize we really haven't done anything serious to deal with the causes of this crash and to deal with horrific response to

it, in which millions of people were allowed to lose their homes and their jobs. thisly in the midst of lack of imagination, there has been a growing movement on a grassroots level, increasingly at a policy level, to recognize there is an opportunity to make a difference through this tradition of cooperative enterprise. juan: can you give some examples of that? as you note, there has been a cooperative movement in america in the past decade, even before the crash, but can you give some examples of the changes that have occurred since crash? >> absolutely there has been a long tradition and -- this is a tradition that has b been empowering farmers, enabling small businesses to survive, but it is often not visible. actually, in the course of working on this book a mother and my own grandfather helped

build a national purchasing cooperative for hardware stores, enabling small hardware stores to survive and thrive. i did not even know it was a cooperative. that was never something i learned. in the years since the crash, for instance, there was in 2011 during occupy, there was a large move your money day where hundreds of thousands of accounts moved from big banks to credit unions, which are banks that are owned by the people they serve. there is been a rise in interest across the country, especially in cities in worker ownership, allowing workers to become owners of the businesses where they are employed. this is increasingly moving into federal strategy. it is a surprisingly bipartisan opportunity. there is a quiet opportunity here to really make good on the failure of our economic system 10 years ago. juan: some might argue even some

predatory capitalists are developing the idea of businesson among people. i'm thinking of airbnb ,uber, this sharing economy. taking a cooperative idea and standing at on its head in terms of making money. >> cooperation is the original crowdfunding, the o original sharing economy. thing most of us have was of to the fact this is not a real sharing economy, this economy of , but in airbnb extraction economy. a lot of what i've been following for the last two years is a group of people around the world who are trying to build real sharing economies using digital tools to share ownership and governance e all the way don economies were front-line workers are deciding their own standards of work -- house cleaners and drivers and others. amy: this is you speaking that

occupy wall street, the anniversary, seventh anniversary was monday, yesterday, september 17. at this is you speaking down at the park. >> what they're doing is the assembly. the court demand, i think, right now, seems to be the right to organize, to have a political conversation in a public space to show wall street, so to speak, what democracy looks like. amy: that is you, nathan schneider, seven years ago. and now you have written this book. this radical tradition you're talking about, the cooperatives that are on the upswing around the world? talk more about them specifically and what you hold out most hope for. >> it is striking how that idea of praracticing democracy in everyday life that was happening in that square is something that is a kind of hope we have lost. inwas something that even

the 1930's and 1940's, the u.s. government was promoting. it was something, possibility that was forgotten. in terms of these particular projects, we have these gig economies in which people are figuring out how to own and govern their own platforms. we are seeing an opportunity unlike any we have ever seen, where a whole generation of business owners in what is known as the silver tsunami, are looking to retire. these small and medium-sized businesses, employers around the country, are being gobbled up by private equity. this is an opportunity for conversions to employ ownership if we have the right policy tools and financing tools available. so the opportunities that we have before us right now are tremendous. and these are e also connected o our r social movements.. the platform for the black lives matter movement mentioned in its policy proposal, cognates of

cooperation more than 40 times. this is just another example of our socialess of movement" of enterprise, going back to the civil rights movement and long before. juan: what do you say to those who would argue absent any kind of change in the pololitical por structure, that the lawmakers will always come up with ways to keep these cooperative movements down and to maintain monopoly capital l or big capital in favored status in society? >> the weird thing, this is something that is happening across the p political spectrum, but quietly. both the democratic and republicanan platforms in 2016 advocate increasing worker owownership. yeaears,e last couple of democrats have been recognizing that this might be an issue that they want to take leadership on. just a couple of weeks ago, the

main street employee ownership facilitateswhich worker ownership and convergence of businesses. so i think we have an interesting opportunity in this moment of incredible polarizazation. and there is a political base already starting to form. we just need to strengthen that. and make the demand even louder, make the demand heard that that system that created the crash 10 years ago is not acceptable anymore. amy: what is the difference between the gig economy and a rigged economy? >> i think a rigged economy is one in which the accountability goes upward. in which you have businesses that are ultimately accountable just to a small segment of their shareholders, of big investors. when they have to make hard decisions, their accountability goes upward. and the people who are on the line for their mortgages are the ones who get let off.

the gig economy is, and a sense, an opportunity and a danger. it is a danger in the sense that often reallyt has pushing things workers half offered for decades, for centuries. but it also invites these opportunities of our flexible work. we have an opportunity to creree a future of work that in which workers are really in control. amy: finally, the fact that who was held accountable for what happened and how much summit of peoplele lost 10 years ago?? >> i think we haven't really held anyone accountable nearly enough. there's a lot of talk about war there is some -- or there's some talk for some of the time about who was not put in jail, things like that. i think we need to talk about the system. we need to transform the system. we are but tools that. with the tradition that is proven, that is actually bipartisan that we can turn to

to make a difference. amy: nathan schneider is media studies professor at the university of colorado in boulder. his new book "everything for , everyone: the radical tradition that is shaping the next economy." that does it for our show. democracy now! is looking for democracy now! is looking for feedback from people

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