[captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is demoacy y no >> how did this happ? the american drm m is dd. stop resisng. residen's pows are beyond qstion. >> ladies and gentlemen, the last president of the united states. amy: "fahrenheit 11/9."

michael moore is back with a new documentary on president trump and the state of our nation. >> trunk is the result of allowingdecades of us this country to go down a road that had very little to do with democracy and equal rights and what was fair, and very much toward letting the rich, letting corporate america, wall street run the show and call the shots. amy: today, oscar-winning filmmaker michael moore for the hour. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. dr. christine blasey ford has told the senate judiciary cocommittee she is now p preparo testify before the committee about her allegation that supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh attempted to rape her

at a high school party when she was 15 years old. in a letter to the committee, a lawyer for dr. blasey ruled out testifying on monday, but said she would speak soon if the senators offer "terms that are fair and which ensure her safety." in recent days, dr. blasey ford has received death threats and been forced to move her family out of their family home in palo alto. on thursday, about two dozen protesters were arrested on capitol hill after they occupied the offices of key republican senators. >>[chanting] we still believe anita hill! we still believe anita hill! amy: meanwhile, some republican lawmakers are openly mocking dr. christine blasey ford's allegation that kavanuagh attempted to rape her. this is republican congressmember ralph norman of south carolina speaking on thursday during a debate.

>> did you all hear the latebreaking news from the kavanaugh hearings? ruth bader ginsburg came out that she was groroped by abraham lincoln. [laughter] amy: the wall street journal is reporting secretary of state mike pompeo has backed continued u.s. support for the saudi-led assault on yememen despitete obobjectionsns from his owown s. while specialists in the state department warned about the rising civilian death toll in yemen, pompeo expressed concern that any cut off of support to saududi arabia could impact u.s. arms deals, including a plan to sell more than 120,000 precision-guided missiles to saudi arabia and the united arab emirates. the united nations is warning yemen is now facing the worst humanitarian crisis in the world. cnn has revealed federal agents have arrested dozens of undocumented immigrants who came

forward to take care of migrant children in government custody. between july and early september, ice arrested at least 41 people seeking to take care of detained immigrant children. this comes as the government has acknowledged it is now detaining a rerecord 13,00000 migrant chin in its custody. meananwhile, the department t of health and humanan services is divertining up t to $266 million from otherer programs to h helpy for detaining the skyrocketing number of detatained children. targeted programs include nationalal cancer institute, the ryan whitete hiv/aids program, hehead start, the natitional institutes of health, the centers fofor disease contntroad preventionon, and other rerefuge support programs. on thursday, the white house marked the first anniversary of hurricane maria slamming into puerto rico by issuing a press release claimiming the trump administration has helped lead a historic recovery effort in puerto rico. but for many people in puerto rico, the recovery has barely begun and much of the blame has been focused on fema.

earlier this month, it was revealaled that more than 2000 puerto ricans applied for funeral assistance after the storm. fema approroved just 75 ofof the applicatioions. residents say fefema has also refused to help them after lolosing nearly everything in te storm. >> when it rains, my whole house gets wet. because the house above me was made from cheap materials, so the whole roof opened up on the downstairs. people from fema came and said, this -- how are you living here? the water was there. a lilittle while later, i i geta letter from fema saying i did not lose anything in the hurricane, but i lost my refrigererator and the washing machine, i lost the most everything, even my clothes. everything got wet. the vents, my furniture, i lost everything, but i got nothing. amy: spain's foreign minister has revealed president trump recentntly urged spain to builia wall across s the saharan desert in africa to stop ththe flow of asylum seekers from africa.

spain, which does not control any land in the saharan desert, pushed back on the idea. trump then reportedly said, "the sahara border can't be bigger than our border with mexico." in fact, the sahara stretches for about 3000 miles from occupied western sahara and mauritania on the atlantic to sudan in the east. the u.s.-mexico border is roughly 2000 miles long. the second longest wall in the world already exists in africa. morocco built a 1700-mile wall or berm in occupied western sahara, dividing sahrawis, who remain under occupation from those who fled into exile. to see democracy now's special documentary "four days in occupied western sahara: a rare look inside africa's last colony," visit democracynow.org. in other news from african, at least 100 people havave drowned after an overloaded ferry capsized in tanzania's lake victoria on thursday afternoon.

it is feared the death toll will eventually top 2 200. the president of ireland has officially repealed a constitutional amendment that banned abortion in the country. this comes in the wake of a historic referendum in may when irish voters repealed one of the world's more restrictive abortion bans. ireland's health minister has said he expects women to soon be able to get cost-free abortions in the country. new york governor andrew cuomo's former top aide is going prison. joseph percoco was sentenced thursday to six years for fraud and accepting more than $300,000 in bribes. percoco was a longtime close personal friend to cuomo. and harvard university has announced it will honor former nfl quarterback colin kaepernick with the university's w.e.b. du bois medal, which is awarded to individuals who have made significant contributions to african and african-american history and culture. in 2016, kaepernick began

protesting police brutality and racism by taking a knee during the national anthem before nfl games, sparking ongoing league-wide protests. he has since been effectively blacklisted from the league. other receipients of this year's w.e.b. du bois medal include comedian dave chappelle and bryan stevenson, founder of the equal justice initiative. he oversaw the creation of the country first memorial to victims of white supremacy. and in news from brazil, the worlrld renowned dissintnt and linguistoaoam chsky y mewith bril's impriseded forr president isis inao lululaa silva on thursy.y. this ces a week after lula officially pulled out of next month's presidential race. lula has been jailed since april. speaking osiside t pririso after his sisit, nm chchomy condemneththe rit-wingngedia in brazil. >> we have just had e great

privilege s spendg an hou wi lula. one of the pointhehe emphasize wathat during hisntire tenure in office, there was just a nstant fodod of attac from all the media, constant, thousas of attksks froeverery directn, which, of cour,, confuses and undermines blblic opinion. the answ to your questios somethinisis needed to counter ththe concentrated power of right-wing media, which particularly ilatin amicaa erwhelmsverythin amy: thosere some the adlines. this idemocracnow!, democracow.org, e war an peacreport. 'm amgoodman. hrenheit1/9. that's the na of the w documenty by osc-winning filmmakemichael ore, a stunningetellingf the 20 electionnd its aermath.

/9. that's noveer 9th, e day donald tmp won the016 esidenti electio in t film, mhael croes the country, documenting not only the rise of trumpism, but also the teacher strikes sweeping the nation, the "blue wave" of progressive candidates in the 2018 primaries, the rise of student activism after the school shooting in parkland, florida, and the water crisis in his s hometown o of flint, mich. michael moore spares no one in the wide-ranging documentary, which takes aim at the democratic establishment, the new york times and other mainstream media outlets, the electoral college, barack obama, donald trump, gwen stefani, and even himself. here is the movie's trailer. >> how the -- did this happen?

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ar i w wl fight u in the -- rereet rht nowow > ok, um. >> h the -- d this hpen? >> the american drm m is dd. stop resisting psident's powe here are beyond qstion. thelads and genemen st presint of thunited states. ♪ >> coming to an american city near you. amy: the trailer to michael moore's new film, "fahrenheit 11/9." it opens today in 1800 theaters across the country. well, earlier this week, michael joined us in our studio. i began by asking him about the making of the film and if it is a sequel to his 2004 blockbuster , "fahrenheit 9/11" about george w. bush. michael: it's not a sequel.

the title just sort of came to was declaredump president by the associated press at 2:29 in the morning on 11/9/16. but it is a cousin to that film t that when bush h was andalled in the white house had us in a couple of wars fairly quickly, we were in pretty bad shape. 9/11" grew out of a desire to try to halt his efforts, especially the war effort. we are in a different kind of war now. not just anwar with individual who has taken over the white house, because again he was not elected, he was appointed by the electoral trump is the result

of decades, decades of us allowing this country to go down a r road that has very little to do with democracy and equal rights and what was fair, and very much toward letting the rich, letting corporate america, wall street run the show and call the shots. when i say thahat donald trump does not care much about democracy and is trying to whittle away whatever he can of what we call democracy, to be fair to him, that is not really unusual. he is a ceo, he is a billionaire. generally, ceo's don't run ththr businesses like democracies. they don't like democracy, that is not how they live or how they run their business. as billionaires, they want to grab as much of the pie for

themselves as possible, so they are not into everybody having a slice of the pie or r a fair sle of the pie or a seat at the table. he is really just acting like most people of his class. you are ao believe if billionaire, you've got to really hate a system that says it is one person, one votete. onee really are one person, vote, that means there are 325 million of us and probably less than 1000 of them. imagine if you are one of them. that does not look very good. the 325it means that million can suddenly pass laws and tell you what to do, so the basic concept of our democracy is that, but they know that they have been able to run that show because they have bought it. that by the politicians, they buy the elections, and they have

most working people in such a box that they know that if they were to protest, if they were to speak out, if they were to whwhistle blow, that would be te end of their income. ,nd starting with bill clinton we begin eliminating the safety net when you don't have an income. so, we are now at the pointnt where ththey have got thohose 35 mimillion right where they want them, scared that they are not going to be of to pay next month's bills. thatat statistic i are recently, maybe you saw it, that the majority of americans, almost 67%, do not have enough money in the bank or their pocket to, if a loved one passed away tonight, and they lived here in new york, and the loved one was inin california, they don't have the money for the plane ticket to go to california.

the majority of americans don't have $400 or $500 available in any form to them at any moment. that is the america we live in and boy does the billionaire class love that because that is when you've got them. you don't ever think about when you are in that situation of complaining about what is going takingrting a union, or the day off to go to the funeral of a loved one. amy: so, you go way back with donald trump. michael: i personally go way back? [laughter] amy: let's go back to 1998 when you appear on roseanne barr's lk alongith donald trump [applause] my next guest is kindf the philoshihical lar r opsite o o dona trump, but maybe not, w willinind ou his first film was the classic docuntarary oger a a me."

please welcome my blue-clalar paneneli, michchl moore. [applause] is terrific. i loved what hdidid. if i was roger, wowould t hahave likekeit, but i enjoyed it. i hope he never eses onen meme, though [l[lghter] [alause] >>'s nightmare begins september 21 when your film is out. talk about that moment. 1998. roseanne'ss sitcom was over and it was one of the most popular shows ever. she had a very working-class, her whole thing back then was really solid, good politically, everything. but the show was over and abc decided to give her an afternoon talkshow. so she called up and said, what i come on the show? they did it in l.a., but they were going to do a week in new

york, tavern on the green. i get there and i did not realize trtrump was going to be the other guest, which i was very happy about. he wasn''t. he did not know i was going to be on the show. two years earlier, we were both booked should be on the old "politically incorrect," back on comedy central before abc. maher's show. michael: his first show. when i got to "politically incorrect," she split. -- he split. he would not appear anymore with me and he did not know i was going to be on roseanne and now he is really upseset. amy: you had done "roger and me." michael: almost 10 years. and i had done "tv nation." and i was in the process of starting "the awful truth."

so, he decides to leave again. and they ask him to please wait. they come to me and they say, he's going to leave because of you. we don't want you to leave. can you just talk to him? can you call him down or whatever? i went over to him, this part is not in the movie, i went over to him, i shake his hand, it is all clammy. i don't know why he is all nervous about me. i said, they said they think you are leaving. mixn't want to go out and it up. i said, this is an afternoon talkshow, it is comedy. just relax, don't leave. essentially, i kind of promise not not to -- promised him to go after his, by that point, various realal estate dealings, how he was treating the workers, the central park five,

discriminating against out of the thouousands of apartments ty had out in their so-called middle-class housing in the boroughs, seven were rented to black families. him not to leave, i sort then he doesm and the show. and you willll see when you see the movie, i'm joking around a little bit, but i don't go after hihim. amy:y: so you are the reason hes president today? michael: i did not realize until later, i thought, wow, this guy is good, when he talks about the art of the deal, he was playing me, he was negotiating the moment so he would be left alone by this documentary filmmaker who goes after corporate ceo's. , so this thought, man is how he has gotten this far. if he was no good at this, if he was just a charlatan, he would

not have lasted this long in new york city. itreally knew how to play and to play people. when i look at that now, i think, even though i'm 20 years younger and i know you want to say, i couldn't tell -- [laughter] michael: i just, i'm like, all of these years later, i'm thinking, wow, you never back down, i'm saying to myself, and you back to down, mainly because i felt bad for roseanne soper show would not be ruined that day. now, here we are, i don't feel bad about roseann at all. she has totally gone off the cliff. when i see the two of them together on the show, they are the enemy at that point, now, what do you call the opposite of hindsight? ,resent site, future site

wherever we are at now. we know what the score is. amy: oscar-winning filmmaker michael moore is out with a new one today, "fahrenheit 11/9." we will be back with him in a moment. ♪ [music break]

amy: "demagogue" performed by lila downs. performed here in our studios. to see him perform -- her perform the whole song and the interview, go to democracynow.org. this is democracy now! we continue with our interview with michael moore, his new film is out this week. i spoke to him earlier this week. you actually start before that remarkable day. you were talking about this way before. 2016, again july before trump was elected, five reasons why trump will win. you wrote, "donald j. trump is going to win in november, this

wretched, ignorant, dangerous, part-time clown, full-time to be ouris going president, say the words." list the five reasons. his focus on the midwest, the last stand of the angry white man, the hillary problem, the jesse ventura effect. you were predicting this well in advance. who sayshow anyone something otherwise in the corporate media, this moment of george stephanopoulos and keith ellison is priceless. michchael: yes, first of all, i take no pleasure in being right. i never wanted to be more wrong when i wrote that. but i had just come back from the u.k., where my last film had just opened. i went and did press throughout the u.k., in london, in sheffield, ending up in belfast.

and theaterwds screens were the working class of the united kingdom. this was three -- week before breakfast. and i saw what i see and hear a wisconsinhigan and and pennsylvania and ohio and elsewhere, where people did not necessarily like or were in love withth the idea of brexit, but they loved beingng able to havea chance to go to the voting booth and throw in molotov cocktail into the middle of the system that had left them broke and in despair. when we left the u.k. before the vote, we wewere all saying, my crew and friends, while, this just sounds like many parts of the united states. t is going to brexi pass even though the polls said it was not going to. didame back here and brexit

pass and all of the polls were saying hillary did have it in the bag. past,he day that brexit donald trump flew into scotland to push the sale of his golf course. and a young comedian stood up right before he spoke on this windswept precipice and said something like, donald trump's balls are available in the golf shop and he is showing these red golf balls with swastikas on them. >> the new balls are available from the clubhouse. trump's range. i foforgot to handnd them out. michael: there were people who were tryining to warn everybodyy to not treat this as a joke, to take trtrump seriously. i wrote thattely, piece that you just referred to. i went on n bill maher and i tod the a audience that trump was

going to win and he was going to win by winning michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania, the three electoral states he won by. and i gotot booed. i'm not saying because i wanted to happen, i'm saying we've got to realize they are having a democratic convention this week and they are popping the champagne corks as if it is a done deal. everybody's mindset throughout august and september and october was that howow could she lose to thisis guy? won by 3she won, she million votes. people have that part right. i kept telling them, you are not looking at the right picture. you are all liberal arts majors, you suck at math and geography. this is going to come down to the electoral college. those popular vote polls, she was ahead. but that is unfortunately not the way the president gets picked. because the democratic party and others have led no fight to get

rid of the electoral college's 2000, yougore won in would think after that people would go, you know, this electoral college, i think it is time for it to go. there have been good people that have got the national popular vote thing going and they have got it passed in a lot of states. if you have not heard of this, go to nationalpopularvote.com. the law says, can i explain this? the law says that if you pass it in your state that your state's electors will go to whoever wiws the popular vote. we've got to get enough states to get to 270 electoral votes. we have enough states that have passed this where we are up to 172 electoral votes. , weust need enough states have 98 votes left, that is that, and now the winner who actually wins the popular vote will be the president of the united states. there is a possibility of fixing

this without having to go through the machinations of changing the constitution. so, to get back to the summer of 2016, i could not get anywhere, and i could not convince democratic party leadership types. i could not get people to vote democratic to listen to me. that i must feel have communication skill issues. somehow i'm not getting through to people. you are not taking trump seriously. amy: you are talking about the blue states that obama had onene that you thought trump was going to win. michael: that's right, yes. amy: ohio in your home state. michael: pennsylvania and michigan. happen.hought it could are you kidding? you such an idiot, he's crazy. that is why he's going to win. he's an incredible performance artist.

the apprentice. people between the hudson river and interstate 5 love the apprentice. here is what he did. was on the biggest jerk the show that week got to hear, "you're fired." everybody works with that jerk. wherever y you are, there is tht one jerk, and the cathartic feeling you got watching "the apprentice," people loved that show. hearing himrump and say, "you're fired." i could not get anybody to listen to this because on the coasts, within the bubble of the democratic party, infrastructure, they don't watch "the apprentice," they also don't watch "the bachelorette," which is a great show.

i pay attention to what my fellow a americans are watching and listening to. i fitwhere does gwen stefan into the picture? michael: this is what is known from the beginning of this. , he was in out ing "theioionsor re-upp apprentice" with nbc. ni,found out that gwen stetefa a star of "the voice," and other show you are not watching -- [laughter] michael: the people watching right now who know that they don't want to "the voice" or "the apprentice." he found out that somebody else was getting paid more than him on nbcbc. not just some of the else, can i say it? a woman. a woman was being paid more than donald j. trump and that makes him go like this.

so, he decides that he is going to show nbc. he contacts another network to put them in competition for each other for "the apprentice." then he comes up with this idea of holding an announcement, not for real, it is going to be a pretend thing. he is going to hold an announcement that he is running for president, he is going to have a couple rallies, he is going to show the networks how much the american people love him in that vast, wide swath of land. and that is the big plan. he comes down the escalator, he makes the announcement, and it goes off the rails. he starts calling mexicans rapists and criminals and murderers and whatever else. amy: and people cheering? michael: the people are cheering, if you have seen the escalator, coming down with milani up, the people cheering lania, the people

tearing down there are extras paid $50. it is all fake. it is as fake as the goldplated escalator is coming down. is goldplplated, folks. it is not real gold. he says thisis about mexicans ad within days, nbc fires him. >> they are bringing drugs, crime, they aree rapists, and some, i assume are good people. michael: it t goes completely against what he thinks is going to happen and now he has lost his job because of his racism. he has already booked and papaid for these two events. one was in phoeoex and one was in mobile, alabama. they are paid for, they have rented the arena as or the auditoriums or whatever. now, this is the part where i'm not privy to his conversations with don jr. and eric.

amy: i'm going to ask you about your relationship with jared. michael: i'm ready for it. full transparency. they decide, let's do the rallies. they go to the rallies. we show in the film the look on trump's face. there are 40,000 people in that stadium in mobile. he cannot believe it. he has never been in front of 40,000 people. he has never had that experience, like you and i have. [laughter] michael: there is something when you stand on a stage and there are a lot of people. it happened to me at the university of florida. they changed me into the basketball arena and it had never happened before. the people are just coming to hear me talk. there are 14,000 people in the arena. when you step on that stage, you are like, wow. i'm glad i did not listen to my guidance counselors.

so, you see the look. i show the look o on his face. president is for not such a bad idea. and he decides to go ahead with it. when punditsy on were saying there was no campaign apparatus? is not really ready, he is not really wanting to do the job , this is some kind of stunt. it was obvious to everybody. i show how this stunt got launched. and then we end up being the losers for it in the long run peak as decides he likes it. he loves these crowds. they just keep getting bigger. and you have people like les moonves now disgraced.

saying things like, it would be great for us, but not for america. thiso would have thought circus would come to town? it may not be good for america, but it is damn good for cbs. [laughter] jeffel: les moonves and zucker called to the facact they were putting ththem on the air a lot for free, he did nonot haveo pay for a lot of this. about $1 billion. he did not have to spend $1 billion because he got all this free airtime. from the mainstream networks. them yuckingi show it up over how great it is all trump is running because it was very good for business and they sold a lot of ads. amy: you have the red carpet

treatment from the networks. wall-to-wall coverage of the speeches. the other candidates, like bernie sanders got nothing like this, even though he had some of the largest crowds of any o of e candidates. i want to go back to that moment of george stephananopouls and keith ellison. the congressman from minneapolis. michael: keith ellison is on the sunday morning show that george has on abc. seriously, you should take trump seriously, he could end up leaving the republican party ticket. george stephanopoulos just starts laughing hysterically and our good friend katrina over at "the nation" is laughing. everybody was laughing. people watching the show were probably laughing. nobody really took it seriously becaususe a lot of f bad thingsn happen in this country, that is not going to happen. >> this man has s got some momementum and we have better be

ready for the fact that he might be leading the republican ticket. [laughter] >> i know you don't believe that, but i want to go on. [l[laughter] michael: but a few p people like keith ellison were trying to warn people, you've got to take anybody seriously when they say something. like this. and i think now after all this time we realize that donald trump is always lying and he is always telling the truth. you have to be able to operate on both levels with him. amy: explain. michael: when he says i could shoot somebody in the middle of the avenue and get away with it, you know he's not going to shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue, i hope, but you know he could get away with it. both are true. it is always that way with him. so, i paid close attention to him when he says things that sound crazy and you think h he s just being crazy.

i always go, well, he may mean that. he says, we are not going to arm teachers. within two seconds, he says, maybe 20 percent of them. he says it could be 40%. thing that could be the truth and switches it up within seconds. this is the evil genius of trump. keep liberalso scatterbrained. people say something, we take it literally. he knows he can just say stuff, get everybody discombobulated and he becomes the master distractor.

he knows how to get people off topic and onto something else. amy: oscar-winning film maker michael moore, his new film "fahrenheit 11/9" is out today. we will be back with more in a minute. ♪ [music break]

amy: "if i was president" by las cafeteras. here in our democracy now! studio. to hear the whole song and the interview, go to democracynow.org. i'm amy goodman. we returned to our conversation with oscar-winning filmmaker michael moore. his w film ons tay. michael: this was the chlyly scene outside point harny elenentary uprds ofof0 teachers lining thsisidewa on n a ssion.n. the teachers decided on eir own to go on strike a d do ity thselvlves one school district at time. >> on the courthou s steps >> people are channg. we are le streamg that.

pele are commenting sayingi wi i i washere. >> it escalated relyly quily.. seven go out and then 55 and 55 counties, the strike will go on in all of them tomorrow. amy: that is from "fahrenheit 11/9." michael moore, the oscar-winning filmmaker. these teacher strikes and teachers in the country, what they are going through. michael: uprising going on with teachers all over the country right now. it is one of the best things i have seen in a long time. these teachers in west virginia, , their ownghters union, their leadership tried to discourage them from going out on strike. they would not listen to them. they went out on strike, they got all 55 counties to go out on strike. >>[chanting]

michael: when they finally got the governor to give them what they wanted. amy: governor justice. michael: govovernor jim justice. [laughter] michael: i know. you can't write this stuff. the lunchivers and ladies and everybody else were also on strike with the teachers, he would only give the raise tohe teachers -- the teachers. they said, no, you have to give it to everybody else. he would not do it, so they would not go b back to schchool. they stayed on strike until there was justice for the .ustodians that kind of solidarity, if we ever get together and support each other, and not cross each other's picket lines, that is the scariest thing for these people because they won't know what to do. they won't be able to run their

businesses, they won't be able to run their schooools or anything. amy: speaking of running, talk about fitbits. michael: this is the crazy thing. this governor, they were trying to think of ways t to reduce the health care costs. the first idea was, let's charge the teachers m more for healalth cacare let's doublehahat th gotot t cocoribute, then let's keke the -- wear-- wre fitbits. it would have touyuy the own, then it would send the steps they are taking, it records what you are doing. in this case in west virginia, it would send to a central computer at the board of education just how active you were being. if by the end of the month or the end of the year or whatever, if you did not taken of steps or do enough physical activity, you d something like $500.

that was the other part of the negotiations. they were successful in getting rid of them. amy: teachers selling their blood? >> my husband even sells plasma, his own plasma, when things get super tough. >> >> he sells his blood? >>yes. the scene i had in "roger and me" 30 years ago where the people of lent -- flint were gogoing to sell their plasma at the plasma center because i did the job they had did not earn enough money to keep them above the poverty level, or they had lo the generamomotorsob.. you would walk into this plasma cecenternd y youould s s all of these chairshahat we likike medidil chas with everybody being tapped. >> i only do it with mriright ararm. it i inot so bad.

they only do it in two places. michael: it really looked l lika scene from some kind of weird science fiction movie, where, in the future, everybody's blood was being sucked from them. that 30 years later i would be dealing with the same thing, i can't tell you how angry i am, frankly, that we are still living in this kind of society. amy: well, that takes me to the last clip we are going to play from your film. we are talking to michael moore, the oscar-winning filmmaker, who won that oscar for "bowling for columbine." yet another school shooting, but this one is a clip that features 99-year-old, the last surviving nunurembg prosecutor. >> donald j. trumps s callg foa tototaand cocolete shutdown of muslims entering the

unit states. michael: last week, i a agent fann out in rds like this e in eve s state > ripping children aw f from ththeifamiliesndnder ts new policy. guatemala. [crying] >> [speaking spash] [crying] >> takg g babi awaway om thehe mother and locki up one t the otheher d sepapating the bebecae theyeyid not harm to anyby, they just did not comply with the stupid regulations. that is a crime against humanity in my judgment. amy: the last nuremberg prosecututor explained. michael: i wanted to go speak to him. i did not realize there was only one surviving nuremberg prosecutor.

he lives just outside the city here. he is 99. i think his wife is turning 100 in another month or so. he is a witness from the past. a witness to what happens when you allow fascism to become the way of life and the law of the land. powerful in the things he says in the film. at one point, heheays that donald trump, in doing some of these things he has done is cocommitting crimes againstt humanity. thisys, i can't deal with because i'm thinking, we hung people for doing some of these things, for behaving like this. one of the inspirations to make this film was a book i had read back in the 1980's by bertram

gross called "friendly fascism." in the book, he says s that the fascism of the 21st century will not come with concentration can't and swore because. and ncentration camps swastikas. it will come with a smiley face and a tv show. that will take hold in the 21st century, there will not be a lot of guns fired because the population will be brainwashed enough. first, they will be dumbed down, ruin their schools, reduce their press, put whistleblowers in then brand things. don't use swastikas. just make it happy. you are going to be happier if you go my way, the trump way.

this is what i find most when i think about and when i hope this film does in terms of ripping the mask off what is really going on here. precipice, we a are on that edge. democracy has no self-correcting mechanism. it is a piece of paper, the constitution. i know we like to get all teary-eyed about our wonderful constitution. it is a piece of paper and it is the human beings in each era that decide exactly what is going to go on, which part we are going to listen to and which part we are going to not of this constitution. ,f we get too close to the edge where we have given up too many of our rights, where we have allowed the democracy to be whittled down, where we have made voting a most difficult

thing to do for people who have the right to vote and should be voting, if we do all of that, it could easily fall off that cliff before you know it. it could be gone. and you have to operate with that. people onear from other networks or other shows i will be a long, why are you making the comparisons between hitler's and trump? i always say to them, that is not really the movie. the movie is more comparing us to the good germans. one of the most civilized, cultured, educated, liberal democracies on the planet are. -- planet earth. and they went along, there was a national emergency, the parliament burned down. said theknow, hitler's communists did it, we've got to get rid of these communist.

won e enough, hitler's party 32% of the parliament in 1932. 19% went to the communists. liberal,s were mostly left parties, social democrats, etc. by hitler's getting rid of those 19 communist seats or the 19% of the seats, all of a sudden, he had a chance to take those. 19 and 32 is 51. he was the majority. it was worried, i'm pushing this a little. people are in a democracy, i don't like this. okasked the people, are you taking over nazis here, and i'm going to be both president and chancellor. hindenburg had one of those jobs. he was an old man and that he died. he was old.

he died. not trying to pin that on hitler's, ok? he died and hitler's said, i should be president. they went and had an election. the majority of germans voted yes. i show that, the ballot, in the movie. they voted yes for this. editorial in-page the jewish weekly of frankfurt, everybody,id, ok, fellow jews, called down, it's ok, yes, he's crazy, yes, his people are thugs, but it is not going to be as bad as a lot of you are thinking. come on, we are germans, this is a democracy. we are not going to be rounded up and put into ghettos because we have a constitution. this is the editorial in the "jewish weekly." amy: you help us up during your broadway play. michael: it is in the movie

because i want people, anybody who is thinking, calm down, for, trunk, he is coocoo cocoa plus, but don't be scared of people like this. i'm not scaring anybody. if you are not already terrified by what he is doing, by what he , i'm serious. and everybody else needs to get serious, too. i took this meant seriously from the beginning and i'm telling you now that he has his plans for the way he would like things to be. he has no intention of leaving the white house. he knows he cannot be indicted. he knows the constitution won't allow mueller to indict him. he will be an unindicted criminal. he does not think he is

going to be impeached. he is going to call it all rigged. even if he loses the 2020 election, he will say it is rigged. he has plans for calling off the election. republicans asked if he wanted to postpone the election because of all of these illegals that are voting, hillary got those 3 million illegal votes, would you support him postponing the election? 52% of republicans said they would support trump postponing the 2020 election. we have to get serious about this and we have to be real. if i could tell one mymy story,i tried to convincnce steve bannon to sit down in front of my camera so i i could ask him some questions. he said, i need to talk to first, let me come by and we will see. he came over to my production office. i sat there with him for twowo hours.s. talkining to him.

i said, just tell us really, how did you pull this off? how did you and trump outsmart may be the smartest candidate ever to run for office, just on pure iq alone, perhaps, one of the smartest? he said, well, i've got a very easy answer for you. our s side, we go for the head wound, your side come you like to have pillow fights. that is why we will win, even though i agree with you, as he says to me, there is more of us and there are them, he is not afraid of that because they are fighters and they will stand up and fight for the things they believe in and they know we will back down and compromise and we will say, ok, obama care is ok even though it is not universal health care, we will go along with that. we are happy our kids can be covered until they are 26. we rationalize all of this stuff and they know that about us, and

they know how to defeat us with that. they have no intention o of goig away. this is the angry white man party. they know their days are numbered because this nation right now is almost 70% either female, people of color, or young adults between the ages of 18 and 35, or a combination of those three things, that is america. they know w it, they know their days are numbered, and they're going to try to grab whatever they can. amy: and suppress the vote. michael: and gerrymander and do whatever they can, pack the supreme court, whatever it is, they are going to try to do itt because they know we will not put our bodies on the line to stop them. amy: oscar-winning filmmaker michael moore. his new film fahrenheit 11/9" opens today. hear himonday when we

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