10/09/18 10/09/18 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacififica, this is democracy now! fascist. racist, talked, for example, about the raping of women openly. said he w would rather have a dead son than a gay son. veryys s outrageous things openly, and that is very dangerous. amy: in brazil, a far right former army officer who praises dictatorships is moving closer to becoming the next president of the world's fourth largest democracy.

we will look at the rise of jair bolsonaro and what it means for latin america. then as the monstrous hurricane michael gains strength as it barrels toward the florida panhandle, a majajor new united natitions climate rereport warns huninity h o only a dozen yeyes to m mitigatate climate changegr face global catatastrophe. we will speakk with climate scientist kevin anderson. and following secretary of state mike pompeo's latest meeting with north korean leader kim jong-un, we will speak with beatrice fihn of the international l campaign to abolish nuclear weapons which -- nuclear weapons. >> right now we see using nuclear weapons to protect itseself is not workining. it does not create stability and peace in the region. rarather, it escalates tensions. it feels the crisis and leads us at risk for nuclear war.

amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracacynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in central america, at least 13 people have died aftfter torrential downpoursrs from hurricane michaeael hit thehe a, causing major floododing and landslides. the monster hurricane is expecteded to make landfalall ie flororida panhandle as a categoy 3 storm wednesday. florida gov. rick scott declared a state of emergency and 35 counties. alababama governor declaring a state of emergency for the whole state. this is governor scott. >> storm surge, rain, floods, tornadoes. listenthe weather and when they say to evacuate, you have to evacuate and don't wait until the last minute because this is different from a lot of storms we have seen. it is fast. amy: president trump visited

florida ahead of the storm monday. he made no mention of climate change or the u.n. landmark report that humanity has only a dozen years to mitigate climate change or face global catastrorophe. we will hahave more on the clime repoport later in the broadcast. president trump hosted a ceremonial swearing-in of supreme court justice brett kakavanaugh on mondaday evenini, declaring victory in the contentious fight to confirm a man accused by multiple women of sexual misconduct. trump's apology came hours after he told reporters that accusations against kavanaugh by christine blasey ford, deborah ramirez, and julie swetnick were "a hoax set up by the democrats." pres. trump: on behalf of our nation, i want to apologize to brett and the entire capital family for the terrible pain and suffering you have been forced to endure. those who stepped forward to serve our countryry deserve a fr and dignified evaluation, not a

campaign of political and personal destruction based on lies and deception. amy: president trump falsely claimed kavanaugh had been proven innocent during his confirmation process. monday evening's unprecedented white house ceremony brought together all nine supreme court justices and republican leaders in the east room of the white house. the room burst into applause after trump ordered a standing ovation for republican senate majority leader mitch mcconnell for his role in speeding kavanaugh's confirmation through the senate. among those applauding was supreme court justice clarence thomas, , who was confirmemed in 1991 despite testimony by anita hill that thomas repeatedly sexually harassed her when he was her boss. meanwhile, a attorney debra katz said dr. christine blasey ford is still living in hiding after her senate testimony last month, amid what katz called unending death threats. in china, secretary of state mike pompeo met with his counterpart amid tense relations

and an escalating trade war between the two countries. the talks were marked by a decidedly hostile tone as chinese foreign minister wang yi saying "we believe the u.s. and china should stick to the path of cooperation and when when rather than be admired and a wrong path of conflicts and confrontations." both president trump and vice president mike pence have publicly accused china of inteterfering g in u.s. electio. the president of interpol, meng hongwei, has stepped down from the international police cooperation agency after being accused of corruption and detained by chinese authorities. meng reportedly went missing after he recently flew from france, where interpol is headquartered, to visit china where he is a citizen. disgraced former trump campaign official rick gates solicited propoposals from an n israeli psychological-operations firm to manipulate social media in trump's favor and to gather intelligence on trump's opponents during the 2016 election season.

that is according to an expose in "the new york times," which reports gates contacted psy-group, which is staffed by former israeli intelligence agents, seeking ways to undermine hillary clinton's campaign. psy-group also proposed using thousands of phony social media accounts to target delegates to the republican national convention in order to prevent them from rebelling against trump. "the times" reports psy-group's owner pitched the proposals at a 2016 trump tower meeting with donald trump, jr., united arab emirates adviser george nader, and erik prince, founder of the mercenary company blackwater. "the times" reports there's no evidence gates acted on psy-group's proposals. last year, rick gates and his boss, paul manafort, were indicted by special counsel robert mueller's team on multiple counts of fraud and tax evasion. gates pleaded guilty to many of the charges. in turkey, authorities are searching for a black van seen leaving the saudi consulate in istanbul as they investigate the

case of disappeared saudi journalist jamal khashoggi. on monday, "the washington post" published a photo taken from a cctv camera at the consulate that is believed to be the last known image of khashoggi. he had entered the saudi consulate to obtain papers related to his coming marriage. in tech news, the wall street journal is reporting that google will shut down its social network google plus after the revelation of a data breach that exposed the private data of hundreds of ththousands of user. the breach was discovered in march, but was not disclosed to the public. number showedogle executives were worried that would face new government regulations if news of the data breach got out. the scandal follows news last month of a major datata breach t facebook, , which saw the persol informatation of nearly 50 milln users s exposed after an onlnlie attack. in new york city, family and frfriends held a vigil sunday to

mourn the death of the long-time uber driver, who died by suicide as he struggled to make ends meet. luna began driving with uber in 2013, anand his family said he s suffering from depression as his debts mounted. luna is the seventh new york city driver, and the first from an app-based ride hailing service, to die by suicide within the last year. the new york taxi workers alalliance issued a statement in solidarity with luna and his family, writing -- "every city needs to take a deeper look at what happens when you let wall street backed corporations use billions of dollars in capital to lock workers into a prison of poverty." new york state officials say a limousine involved in one of the deadadliest crashes in the unitd states in the town of schoharie on saturday had failed an inspection last month and was not licensnsed to be on the roa.

the crash killed 17 passengers, as well as the limo's driver and two pedestrians. it was the deadliest u.s. transportation disaster since 2009. new york state officials are investigating the owner of the company, prestige limousine chauffeur service, a pakistani immigrant named malik shahed hussain. in 2001, hussain was arrested for helping people cheat on drivers license tests. in exchange for avoiding deportation, he took a job as an fbi confidential informant, posing as a radical arms dealer in fbi sting operations. he was a key figure in the fbi's case against the so-called newburgh four -- four muslim men sentenced to 25-year prison terms after they were convicted for placing what they thought were bombs in a new york synagogue in 2010. defense attorneys say the men were entrapped by government agents. hussain's back-story emerged as new york governor andrew cuomo said he may face criminal charges for the crash. >> we inspected the vehicle just

last month. it failed the inspection. the driver did not have the appropriate licenses. so i think the owner of this company, the only -- owner of prestige has a lot of questions to answer. there is an ongoing investigation. but is there a possibility of liability, civil and criminal? certainly. amy: governor cuomo spoke as he marched in a parade honoring the 15th century italian mercenary and explorer christopher columbus, who massacred and enslaved arawak indigenous people while opening the door to the european colonization of the americas. on monday, cuomo nominated a statue of christopher columbus near manhattan's central park to the national register of historic places. president donald trump also marked monday's holiday, tweeting -- "christopher columbus's spirit of determination & adventure has provided inspiration to generations of americans. on #columbusday, we honor his remarkable accomplishments as a navigator, & celebrate his voyage into the unknown expanse of the atlantic ocean."

trump's tweet came as an increasing number of cities have rejected the columbus day holiday. columbus, ohio, the state's cacapital city, remained open fr business on monday, opting instead to close for veteran's day this year. in los angeles, officials marked indigenous peoples day for the fifirst time this year, as natie american triribal leaders held a ceremomony marking the occccasi. this is s chief red blood ofof e gabrielilino-tongva tribe in california. that has beenhing 4092,2,d in us in schooll, columbus was an explorer, an adventurer, was going to be a good person to us. but as we got older, we learned otherwise, thahat it wasn't tru. and now i guess you could say the truth is out. amy: in minnnnesota, water protectors opposing the enbridge

line three pipeline say they have erected a traditional ojibwe structure directly in the path of the proposed line, which would carry tar sands oil from alberta, canada, to a terminal in superior, wisconsin. in a statement, the group anti-colonial land defense said its indigenous people's day action was aimed at stopping "serious threats to our water, land, and air, in conjunction with trespassing on indigenous land." elsewhere in minnesota, a trial began monday for three activists who face felony charges for their civil disobedience action in 2016 when they manually turned off p pair enbnbrie tar sandpipipelis. thso-callevalve tuers -- annee klapstn and emy nesbt johnst, along th a suppt personbenjamin joldsma -- a mountina necessitdedefens sayayintheirr civil sosobedice w wasustififi by the urgenent ne to stop climate chgege. but on mdaday, ainneneso districtouourt jge r rul thatt expert wnesses, includin 350.orfofoundebillll mibbenn

and foerer topasa a clate scientisdrdr. jas hahans, willll not be aowed to stify on thr behalf the nobel prize has been awarded to nordhaus and paul romer. campusg from yale's monday, professor nordhaus said the u.s. would come to accept the science of climate change after presesident trump leaves office. >> this a administration w won't last forever. i think it is really anomalous in the united states this degree of hostility to enviroronmental policy and climate change policy. all i can do is hope we will get through this without too much damage. amy: and in baltimore, johns hopkins university announced plans to namame a new research building after h henrietta lack, a former patient of f the university hospital who has

become known for her immortal cells. lacks, an african american woman, was a patient at johns hopkins university hospital in 1951. while receiving treatment for cancer, researchers collected her cells which were used to create hela cells -- a strain of self-replicating cells that have led to numerous advances in medicine, including the development of the polio vaccine. she died later that year. in recent years, her family has spoken out about the university's use of lacks' cells, which were taken without her consent or knowledge, raising questions about privacy and patient's rights, as well as whether the family should receive compensation for their use. and those e are some of the headlinenes. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we begin today's show in brazil where a far right former army officer is moving closer to becoming the next president of the world's fourth largest democracy.

on sunday, jair bolsonaro won 46% of the vote -- far higher than expected. because he did not hit 50%, he will face fernando haddad. of the leftist workers party in a run-off on october 28. many critics of bolsonaro warn the future of democracy in brazil is now at risk. bolsonaro has openly praised brazil's military dictatorship, which lasted from 1964 to 1985. he also has a long history of making racist, misogynistic, homophobic comments. once telling a female lawmaker she was too ugly to rape. he has encouraged police to kill suspected drug dealers. in april, he was actually charged with hate speech over his tirades. but bolsonaro's popularity has soared in recent weeks after he was stabbed while on the campaign trail. on sunday, he briefly spoke after casting his vote.

brought andis has awoken people to the idea that brazil can't continue on the path to socialism. we don't want to be tomorrow what venezuela is today. amy: on sunday, jair bolsonaro's social liberal party won unexpected victories across the country. in brazil's lower house, bolsonaro's party won 52 seats, up from just it is s now the eight. second largest party in the chamber. bolsonaro's son eduardo received more votes than any congressional candidate in brazil's history. meanwhile, brazilian voters ousted a stunning two-thirds of incumbents on sunday. jair bolsonaro also directly benefited from the jailing of former president luiz inacio lula da silv,a who had been leading all presidential polls earlier this year. lula has been in jail since april on what many consider trumped-up corruption charges. his handpicked successor, former sao paulo mayor fernando haddad, now faces an uphill fight against bolsonaro in the october 28 runoff.

on monday, haddad traveled to meet with lula and discussss strategy. afterwards, he said he was ready for the next round of vovoting. >> we e are very excited for the second round because the sececod round offers an opportunity that we did not have in the firstst round, to debate the e projects that each one e of t the remaing candidates has for the country.. wewe will have an impmportant opportunity to compare these projects over voters will have the opportunity that they did not have been the first round of comparison. amy: meanwhile, the workers party suffered major defeats in legislative races. former b brazilian president dia rousseff lost her bid for a brazilian senate seat, winning just 15% of the vote. we are joined now by maria luisa mendonca. she is director of the network for social justice and human rights in brazil. she is joining us in our new york city studio. can you talk about what took place on sunday and the significance of bolsonaro's not

outright victory come he still has the runoff, but he got many more votes than was expected? >> that is a very dangerous situation in brazil. it could have an impact on the whole region. like i said before, former president lula actually -- if he was able to run, he would probably win easily. but there was a vacuum created because he was put in jail with charges of receiving a bribe, but actually, there is no evidence that he received the bribe. so since the parliamentary coup against presidident dilma roussf two years ago, we are in the situation of limbo. we cannot consider we have a democracy in brazil right now. result of a is the serious -- series of attacks on democracy that started two years ago with the parliamentary coup

against them rousseff. amy: so dilma rousseff is coup' ed out, forced out of the presidency. and look, who decided to run for president, is imprisoned. >> exactly. we said there was a coup because there was no evidence that she committed any crimes. but she was impeached anyways. bolsonaro at that time voted as a congressmember for the impeachment in the name of the person who tortured her during the e military dictatorship. amy: what do y you mean? he supported the impeachment in his honor? >> because during the vote in congress, most congressmember's voted in the name of god and their family. bolsonaro voted in the name of the person who tortured dilma. amy: i interviewed dilma rousseff in april here.

whichs ousted in 2016 in she described it as a coup. i asked her about the rise of the far right. brazil,the far right inin like the far right everywhere, is anti-woman, anti-black, anti-indigenous person. and it is in favor of ending all oversight. they want toend any oversight of labor work situations annapolis to slavery they continue to exist in brazil. they are full of prejudice and intolerance. they believe they can resolve the most complex problems using , openforce of violence violence. what happened in the vote in the impeachment process that i suffered, the legislator bolsonaro cast is a vote thing tribute to the military --tatorship in the torturer and the torturer.

in casting his vote, he paid tribute to this man who was a torturer in sao paulo. he was recognized in all of the processes of truth and justice that unfolded in brazil. he said the following to pay tribute to someone who brought terror to president dilma rousseff. a person who is capable of doing and if you to a proceeding to justify his vote in this manner sells hatred.o he spreads hatred because he only understands one language, the language of violence. amy: that is dumber rousseff, former brazilian president who was impepeached. maria luisa mendonca, she describes bolsonaro. if you can talk more about bolsonaro's history and exactly what he represents? the sector ofts the military that is openly fascist.

like a said before, he talks about raping women openly. he said he would rather have a dead son than a gay son. he praises the military dictatorship. police he will give the -- the police should be free to kill. amy: let me go to him in his own words, 2013 interview while he was cgressman j jair bolsononaro on bbcbc. >> i went into b battle wiwith e gays because the goverernmentt proposeded anti-homophobia class for the juninior grades. i would activelyly stimulate homosexuality inin children from six years old. this is s not nonormal. your cululture iss different to ours. we are n not ready for all of ts in brarazil. no f father would evever take pe in having a gay son. pride, happiness, celebrate if

this son turns out gay? no way. .my: that is jair bolsonaro told the congresswoman she was too ugly to rape. >> exactly.. what happens now also is there's a lot of media manipulation. since the impeachment of dilma three years ago, constant attacks on the workersrs party,t was almost like all mainstream media in brazil is like fox news. there is no alternative. and also now during the campaign, bolsonaro started a campaign of fake news, specially that is notp controlled. for example, facebook has closed several accounts that were spreading fake news against the candidate for vice president and haddad. bannon is one of the

advisors for bolsonaro. there's a lot of misinformation and munich relation. amy: in august, jair bolsonaro's son eduardo posted a photo on twitter of him with former trump strategist steve bannon. he wrote -- "it was a pleasure to meet steve bannon, strategist in donald trump's presidential campaign. we had a great conversation and we share the same worldview and we are certainly in touch to join forces, especially against cultural marxism." the significance of whahat eduao said? important think it is that the meeting in brazil was -- media in brazil was for trying them as a progressive candidate as far left. but when he was the mayor of sao paulo, actually what he did was he built several day cares and more than 30 hospitals and he tried to make traffic in the

city better. for example, having infrastructure for bikes when he was ministry of education under the lula administration. he created more than 18 new universities, more than 300 new campuses, and there was much , fellowships for education at all levels. so, you know, he comes from an education background. ofdoesn't come from any type extreme left background. so what we have now is a very extreme fascist candidate running against a moderate candidate. our hope now is three other progressive candidates have said they would support haddad now in the runoff election in a few

weeks. so hopefully, between now and then -- amy: do you think that would make up the difference in the runoff? >> i think so because those progressive candidates together will probably get about 20% of the vote. if they are abable to convince people that this is a dangerous path. the challenge is how do we deal with media manipulation, not just mainstream media, but the munich relation of social media? amy: i want to go to noam chomsky who recently went to brazil. he met with lula in prison. and when he came out, chomsky condemned brazi's ght-t-wi media. >> 're just had the great privilege of spending an hou with lula. e of theoioints emphasize

was that during his entire tenure in office, and s s just cotant flo of attacks from alof t the media constant. thousass of attacks from every direion.n. which, o course, confuses d undermines public opinion. so the awer to yr r queson is, something is needed to counter the concentred power of right-wing media, whi particular i in lann arica just overwhelms everything. amy: that is renowned linguist and political activist noam chomsky. as we wrap up and leading into this runoff, the significance of the media in shaping popular opinion in brazil? >> that is very important because during the administration of dilma rousseff , as an example, unemployment rate was 4%. now it is 15%.

so of course, you know, there is an economic crisis. but instead of looking at the media, the mainstream giving intoole of fear and that creates the space for fascist candidates like bolsonaro. so the question is, because the left-wing parties already announced they're going to be united for the second round. the question is, how the neoliberal parties, let's say the mainstream conservative party that are implementing structure. conservativem nearly broke parties. how it within -- what decision they're going to make. because it is a risky decision to support a far right fascist candidate. i think that is the main question. amy: maria luisa mendonca, thank

you for being with us, director of the network for social justice and human rights in brazil. when we come back, we go to manchester, england, to speak with dr. kevin anderson about a new u.n. climate report as a monster hurricane bears down on the panhandle in florida and alabama governor declares the whole state and emergency. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in central america, at least 13 people havave died after torrentialal downpours from hurricane michael hit h hundred, nicaragua, ell salvador, causing major flooooding andandsdslis. the mononster hurricanene is expepected to make l landfall ie floridaa p panhandle as a categy 3 storm wednesday, with florida gov. rick scott declaring a state of emergency and 35 counties and alabama and avernor kay ivey declaring statate of emergency for the entire state. florida is preparing for the massive storm as a new report from the united nations climate panel warns humanity has only a dozen years to mitigate climate change or face globabal catastrophe. country talus.

>> there is extreme urgency in the country's them after the pairs agreement, and so far the progress has not been good towardthat it would move 1.5 or two degrees target. there is a need for much higher ambition level to reach even two degrees target. so we're moving more toward three degrees to five degrees. there are some estimations, what is the difference between 1.5 and two degrees will stop one of the major issues is that their word be 420 million people less suffering because of climate change if they could limit to means this --

negative trend will continue for the coming decade. that is going to happen and that means growing them out of disastrous and c challenges. amy: the ipcpcc repeport lays ot severarapossible pathways to limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees celsius, including transitions in land use and transportation systems, and the adoption of future technologies, including removingng carbo didioxidfrom t thetmosphpher according to the report, gball necarbonon emiions w wouldeed to fall by about 45% from 2010 levels by 2030 and reach net zero around 2050. on monday, president trump traveled to orlando, florida, but made no mention of climate change or the new united nations landmark report. for more, we're joined by kevin anderson professor in climate , change leadership at the centre for environment and development studies, uppsala university.

he is also chair of energy and climate change at the tyndall center for climate change research at the university of manchester in britain. dr. anderson, welcome back to democracy now! i want to ask you first about this report as this monster hurricane goes through latin america and bears down on florida and alabama. the report makes very clear between 1.5 degrees centigrade warming and three degrees warming, we would expect to see more extreme weather conditions, which indeed is why many of the poorer parts of the community asked to investigate what are the actual differences between impacts of 1.5 and two degrees. two degrees was the previous threshold that we were all apparently aiming for. as has come out from the report, it is very clear there is a sweep of impacts that are much worse at two degrees centigrade

than 1.5. and these impacts will primarily had poor and more climate-vulnerable comommunity's around t the world. it is an i important reporort in termrms of the -- undederstandig the impacts s of clima change anand making c clear we e must r 1.5 brotheherhan two degegrees. though as we will probably discuss later, i think two degrees is looking very hopeful. amy: you write in your response to this landmark u.n. report that climate change is ultimately the responsibility of a few high emitters. explained who they are. just to put some numbers, about half of the global omissions arise from the activities in just about 10% of the world's population. about 70% of global emissions of carbon dioxide come from about 20% of the world population. very closely the emissions relate to the wealth or income of the citizens. ,o a professional like myself

, sometimes usel business, consume lots of goods. it does correlate quite closely with income. my concern is, when we try to address climate change and reduce our emissions by focusing on all 7.5 billion people, i think it misunderstands where the actual responsibility of emissions resides. therefore, we're not developing policies that needs to be tailored to that particular 20%. so many people listening now in the u.s. or elsewhere in the world will be medium to low emitters. to them, it is important to make changes. but there are people ao listening who are e high emitte. that these of us policy needs to look at to drive them out of our lifestyles and we must make sure in doing that we don't impoverish people who already are struggling with the current economic system. amy: who are the highest carbon

emitters, dr. anderson? >> the highest carbon emitters? they're going to be the wealthiest in this world. from the climate point of view, when you hear the gores and change,s talking about, looking at their footprint, it is many more thousands higher than the average. the very wealthy and very high emitters. i think a professional like myseself, lectures in universities, what would like to see -- language, senior in our and the public or private sector. these people will be the high emitters. i won't make any comment on journalist, but some of the journalists i am familiar with are also high emitters. ofis the upper echelon society. amy: in terms of countriries? >> in terms of countries, well, the biggest and mentor now is china.

and the u.s. there'e's a big difference betwn the height bidders within that country in the low emitters within that country. countries, emitting u.s. and china, and shortly followed by the european union. so can you talk about what the u.s. is facing right now, this monster hurricane hitting panhandle?dle? -- if you look at weather reports and the n networks at a time lie this, are increasingly taking up more and more news time, the weather reports because whether we are talking about wildfires in california or these monster storms in the carolinas and now possibly hitting florida and alabama -- alabama, the whole state has been called a state of emergency. there is a must no mention of meteorologists, not even talking fox, but msnbc and cnn, of the coconnection between these

increasingly violent storms and climate change. is there one? can you explain it? >> there certainly is a connection. what we have done by putting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere is we have made the atmosphere warmer. in other words, you put a lot more energy into the atmosphere. that w will play out in the ters of more extreme weather conditions. whether this particular hurricane is caused by climate change is impossisible to say, t what i is often the case is wewe exacerbated d or increasing g te power in t these hurricanes in the e extre e weather eventsts. what we call the lalanguage of attribution where we are trying to say, is this even a climate change event? we're getting better at understanding that. there's quite a bit of evidence to suggest some of the more severe weather events we've seen have been seriously exacerbated by the additional warming we have put into the atmosphere from the release of carbon dioxide and burning the fossil

fuels. while i cannot say this hurricane e was caused b by clie change, the severity of the hurricane and the severity of some of the other events we've seen in recent years certainly has been exacerbated by issues of climate change by our burning of fossil fuels. should be makining thatat c clear link whwhen the'e discussing the issssues dudurine weweather forecast w within the. amy: you talk about what is needed, professor anderson. the report says there is no documented historic precedent for the scale of changes required. a marshalllked about plan. what do you m mean a new marshal plan? was thearshall plan deliberate strategy after the second world war to try to week -- reconstruct europe after had been severely bombed and destroyed during the war. probably theat is

nearest metaphor, analogy we have the scale of challenge we awaylly face, to shift from a fossil fuel-based energy system to a zero carbon energy system. and to do that within the wealthy parts of the world within about two decades and probably three decades for the slightly poorer parts of the world. we're not going to do that through small price mechanisms, through just tweaking the markets. it will require strategic intervenention by governments to make necessary rates of change. that sounds initially very challenging, and certainly it will be. but i think there is also -- there's a positive narrative behind this. this transition, this transformation to a zero carbon energy system will come with lots of job opportunities. long-term secure jobs, not just in building low carbon car stations, but does carbon ststations, but making our existing building infrastructure

which we will still be using for the next 20, 30, 40 years, to make a building infrastructure suitable for the 21st century see require much less energy to heat it or coolidge and a much safer environment to be in as the climate continues to change. which it will undoubtedly will. we will still see ongoing climate change. amy: you have criticized the ipcc for constraining its policy advice to fit neatly within the current economic model. can you explain? for some to have a landmark report like this is simply critical because we live in a country in the united states where the president proudly denies climate change is the .alls it a chinese hoax so to have any kind of report like this, butut you are crititf the report in some respect. >> it is a really good report and trying to determine the impacts between the warming.

when it comes and what we have to do about it, again, a rent scared of being very honest. given it has a scientific role is tohink the tell it like it is, not to color it or sweeten the pill to make it more attractive. my comments here are -- it is not just this report. when it comes to what we have to do about this, we run scared. we don't want to scare the politicians or t the public. we don't want to move away from or the energy systems we have today, so we tried to have incremental changes. when you really look at the numbers behind the report, look at the numbers that science comes out with, then we're talking about a complete revolution in our energy system. fundamentalt questions about how we run our economies. seems you can say, that

for to remove from the current economic system we have. we have to remember it is been 10 years since the banking crisis in many parts of the world are still suffering the repercussions. the framework has struggled within its o own -- this has ben a real opportunity, which we're using to reset that economy. i think the policy makers or the academics have just run scared of being honest about what our numbers tell us about the rates of change that we require and now we have to move to productive capacity of our society from building second homes for professors or private jets or private yachts or large for will drive cars. moving from that to building public transport, improved housing for everyone, electric education. electricfication.

amy: dr. anderson, the effect of trump pulling the u.s. out of the paris agreement? we just had a segment onon braz. the front runner bolsonaro, who are just called in system actually far right wing candidate, has promised that he will pull out of the paris agreement as well and would abolish results ministry of environment, which environmentalists fear will lead to deforestation of the amazon. your thoughts on bolsonaroro and trump? >> they are completely -- from a completely scientific and moral perspective, they're completely out of tune of what our analysis is saying. i think we have to be very careful when we see the's extreme figures -- and i'm think both of these are extreme figures -- they are a little bit of noise on the system. the general trend is more of a condition that, change is a serious issue. even the poll data shows this.

we are seeing climimate change even and people are thinking this is an important issue. because some of our impacts -- they're not always the brightest leading our countries and can't understand or think that a political base they have to appeal to that does not want to hear that message, i think the rest of us should not run scared. we have to redouble our efforts. indeed, when president trump decided to pull out of the paris agreement, which you can't not do yet anyway but plans do, and the chinese and the french step ford and say, we will try to make extra effort to compensate -- we also see in the u.s. many mayors saying climate change is an important issue. the u.s. is not a dictatorship. trump cannot dictate what the population of the u.s. is going to do. were influential, but so the mayors. it is incumbent on the rest of us are more informed by the science, and with a more reasoned moral and progressive to our analysis, it

is up to us to redouble our efforts and make sure we move in the right direcection and not to run scared of the trumps of this world. they will come and they will go, but the overall issue of the climate change, the physics of climate change is here to stay regardless of the ephemeral whims of the occasional president. amy: in this lasast moment, what does the future look like? how bad can things get if we proceed on this course? way things are going at the moment, i think it is quite reasonable to think we're heading to about four degrees centigrade warming across this entry. that would be utterly devastating. the difference between now and the ice age is about five degrees. they're talking about changes that would normally occur over probably tens of thousands of years occurring over a little more than 100 years. and in some respect that sounds like a lot, but manyny of the people listening to this, their children will still be alive in 100 years and certainly, their

grandchildren will. amy: and what would the world look like? >> far more famine, drought, floods, changes in food patterns. i think we w will start to see t more tensions s within communities. that means a lot more tension between commununities. we look k at their area. it was notot caused by, change, drought doesars of play a part. we're talalking about prettied p many of ththe ecosystems of the world that p pollinate our crop, that m make our air clean. this is a different planet from the one in which we live and the chaos that will ensue will be that for humans, but also many other species around the planet. that is why we have to do everytything we can to hold to o degrees -- over two degrees .entigrade and 1.5

let's do everything we can to keep the temperature as low as possible. amy: kevin anderson, thanks for joining us, zennstrom professor in climate change leadership at the centre for environment and development studies, uppsala university. also chair of energy and climate change at the tyndall center for climate change research at the university of manchester in britain. this is democracy now! when we come back, we will talk about nuclear weapons with the representative beatrice fihn of the international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons, which won the n nel peace p prize last yearar. stay with us. ♪ [musisic break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we end today's show with north korea, where secretary of state mike pompeo met with north korean leader kim jong-un sunday for nearly three hours of talks meant to further steps toward nuclear disarmament. pompeo hailed the meeting in pyongyang as a success, saying both sides were "pretty close" to agreeing to details for a second summit between kim and president donald trump. he also told reporters kim has

agreed to let international inspectors into north korea's missile engine test facility and the nuclear testing site, a network of underground tunnels where the country conducted its six nuclear tests. in may, north korea destroyed the punggye-ri site, but did not allow outside experts to inspect the grounds. but pompeo d did not say monday whether north korea would allow inspectors to visit its yongbyon -- were the country -- were the country produces fuel for nuclear weapons. we're joined by beatrice fihn, executive director of the international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons. she accepted the 2017 nobel peace prize. welcome to democracy now! ofk about the significance these talks. >> it is extremely encouraging in a way. just a year ago trump threatened to totally destroy the north korean country with nuclear weapons on twitter. this is a positive step. still same time, there is

a lack of detail. this cannot be agreement just between two men. it has to bring in the international treaties, international law, the international agencies. we have a system that can help with this. we're organizations, treaties. these talks have to be anchored in the law that exists. north korea has to joined the ctbt. a treaty that bans on the clear testing and has means to verify that. when we're talking about these inspections, opening up north cannottest sites, that be done just by north korea and the united states. vulnerable to be of the whims of these two leaders. we have to take this unique opportunity to make sure these two countries join the international treaty that exists so they can back out in three months. amy: can you talk about the u.s. nuclear stockpile? how large is it? >> it is very big. we still have around 15,000 nuclear weapons in the world

today. over 90% belongs to russia and the united states. the u.s. has about 6800 nuclear warheads. areof those, around 1800 ready to be launched within minutes. one nuclear weapon in hiroshima killed over 100 thousand people. 1800 of these are ready to be launched. amy: what do you think should happen to them? >> they need to be dismantled and disarmed. we have this new treaty on the prohibition nuclear weapons, which is a unique development in the legal landscape around nuclear weapons. it is time for the u.s. and the other nine nuclear armed states to follow the global trend. we can no longer a threat to mass murder civilians as a way of providing security. we need to start taking, instead of threatening to use them, increasing and modernizing these nuclear arsenals, we need to a situation where we

reduce our reliance, take steps to disarm. on: explain what the treaty the prohibition of nuclear weapons is. future as a congressman. a radical change in the structure around nuclear weapons. live not had a ban on nuclear weapons before, the way we been weapons,weapons, bio landmines. different rules apply to different countries. the most richest and powerful countries in the world have been allowed to have them where is the rest of the world were not allowed to have them. we just excepted that for 70 years. at this treaty changes that in a way. it was adopted at the u.n. with the majority of the countries in the world supporting it last year. it prohibited all nuclear weapons for all countries. it does not give exception to some countries. these weapons have

indiscriminate, inhumane impact of civilization. we have banned biological and chemical weapons. these should be banned as well. right now we're working to get by getting 50 ratifications. once it does that, it will be international law. it w will start to have an impa. amy: we talked about this landmark u.n. on climate change. the report attacks nuclear powers as a key climate solution. it promotes the notion it risks nuclear weapons proliferation. the risk ofrease proliferation have a negative environmental impacts and asked ofof facts for human health when replacing fossil fuels. your t thoughts? >> we focus on the weapon itself. there are similar technologies behind that. in essence, one is energy and one is a weapon to mass murder people. we try to keep these separate.

but of course, the kind of changes in climate change means we have to think about this. the technology around nuclear weapons, with the spread of nuclear energy around the world, is no longer advanced. if a country like north korea can get nuclear weapons, one of the poorest in the world, then anyone can do it. we have to work with the normative change. it is not constraining the technology goal papart, beginnig countries to not want nuclear weapons. amy: a lot is made about president trump's relationship russia.sident putin of what happens when it comes to the competition of nuclear weapons? you have trump in august signing a $716 billion military spending , military spending bill that included over $21 billion for nuclear weapons programs, including $65 million for new summary launched low yield nuclear weapon.

that is just the u.s. >> we're seeing this trend all over the nuclear arms states. increasing the role of weapons, coming up with new missions, emphasizing nuclear weapons more in the security doctrines, and this is very dangerous because we also have a rapidly changing security environment. it is not the cold war anymore. we are conflict. we're cyber warfare. full of thomas weapons on the horizon. things are changing quickly. decisions that were made in terms of the paris there are no longer applicable. we see the next potential growth of the risk of accidental use, misunderstandings, and the more countries that behave like this, the more likely it is we will see the use of nuclear weapons intentionally or by mistake. amy: the u.s. pulling out of the iran nuclear deal? >> it is a disaster. it is a working deal, the result

of a long negotiation process. it shows disdain for diplomacy and peaceful solutions. the deal works. iran isinspectors, complying with this deal. it is show some attitude toward negotiations, that you have to to wine, you have everything, humiliate your opponent and negotiations. that is a dangerous attitude because that does not solve the problem. you can't do america first and nuclear weapons. it doesn't work like that. it is a global problem and needs a global solution. these two countries cannot solve the problem on their own, north korea. it has to be anchored in law. amy: what are you proposing now? talk about the grassroots organizing going on around this. >> in many ways we see similar -- i was listening to o the climate change discussion at earlier. we have to act now. climate change a nuclear weapon are the two existential threats

to us. we have to urgently act and not ignore this anymore. we have international law, treaties. it.tries have to support if the government doesn't want to, we have local action. for example, around the u.s. we have cities like los angeles, baltimore, stepping up for this treaty. we have the state of california justpport of a resolution in august. we see people taking action. the fact that world leaders are going in the wrong way isn't always a sign the world is going in the wrong way. i think we have to highlight the positive developments. the majority of countries by far do not have nuclear weapons and do not want them, and want them gone. i think that is where we have to put focus on and emphasize that. in terms of the north korea, the u.s. negotiations, we have to look it how to denuclearize the korean peninsula and use the

existing treaties. amy: we have to leave it there but we will do part two and posted online at democracynow.org. beatrice fihn executive director , of the international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons. she accepted the 2017 nobel