01/08/19 01/081/19 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! >> and when your son looks at says, bullies don't win. i said, baby, they don't. we are going to go in there and we are going to [bleep] amy: is impeachment a possibility with the democrats now in control of the house? we will speak to newly elected congresswoman rashida tlaib, who made headlines over her comments on impeaching president trump. last week she made history by becoming one of the first two

women sworn into congress. she will join us from detroit. then to "crime + punishment," w documeary thatooks at how a oup of n yorkolic ofcers, moly latinand africaamericandared to challenge whathey called a racily-chaed policof quotas f arrests and summses. >> t deparent saythere ar no qtas. >> therere quotain the nd. truly elosive aegations >> ty'reoming fr police office owhat is ingalled the nypd 12 who filed a class-action lawsuit in federal court. you are not going to get this again for 100 years. amy: we will speak to the director of "crime + punishment" and a new york and a new york police lieutenant who sued the nypd. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman.

as the shutdown enters its 18th day, president trump is planning to address the nation tuesday night, that is tonight, from the oval office. p is also set to visit the border thursday. trump requested the primetime broadcast slot of 9:00 p.m., which all major networks agreed to accommodate. networks are not required to satisfy such requests. in 2014, networks declined to air an obama address on immigration policy. shortly after trump's announcement, democratic congressional leaders released a statement demanding equal television time. the statement read -- "if his past statements are any indication, will be full of malice and misinformation." democratic lawmakers are planning to move ahead with a series of appropriations bills today that would reopen most government agencies come although trump and the republicans have not said they would sign on to the measures. this comes as the effects of the shutdown, now the second-longest

shutdown in u.s. history, continued to be felt across the country. tsa at airports who have been working without pay as essential employees have been calling in sick in record numbers to protest the shutdown, making for long wait times and possible security concerns at airports. meanwhile, democratic lawmakers are raising concern that funding for food stamp benefits may run out for the nearly 39 million people who depend on the program to eat each month. on monday, democratic maryland senator chris van hollen held a roundtable with federal workers affected by the shutdown. this is laverne byrd, a union representative from the census bureau. president does not understand we are human beings. we are people. federal workers -- no, no, no. i am the federal worker. he is the federal worker. we are people.

we have bills to pay. we have mortgages to pay. we need to be to survive, just like everybody else. it is not a game to us. it feels like a game to him. oh, i will keep the government should do for months, for yea? the 800,000 people? do you care? do you have a heart? it does not seem so. amy: delegation of democratic lawmakers visited a u.s. border anrol in new mexico where eight-year-old guatemalan boy was held before he died last month. member jerry nadler blasted president trump's recent claims that immigration at the u.s.-mexico border constitutes a national emergency. >> the only emergency the border is a humanitarian emergency .aused by this war on children the fact of the matter is, the number of apprehensions, the number of migrants crossing the

border is way down over the last years. not an emergency of that nature. amy: meanwhile, fox news host chris wallace challenged white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders sunday on her claims that terrorists are entering the country via the southern border. >> we know that roughly nearly 4000 known or suspected terrorists come into our country illegally, and we know our most vulnerable point of -- up on this. do you know where those 4000 people, ere they are captured? airports. >> not always. >> the state department says there have not been any terrorist -- >> it is by air, by land, and by sea. amy: that is chris wallace of fox news challenging sarah huckabee sanders, the white house spokesperson. republican tennessee governor bill haslam granted full clemency to cyntoia brown monday after sheerved 15 years in prison after months of intense

public pressure and outrage over her case. brown was sentenced to life in prison after being convicted of first-degree murder for shooting her rapist as a teenager. she was sexually trafficked and repeatedly abused and drugged. the shooting happened when brown was just 16 years old but she was tried as an adult. she is now 30 years old and set to be released in august. in thailand saudi teenager who , a says she is fleeing her abusive family has been permitted to temporarily remain in the country. 18-year-old rahaf mohammed al-qunun landed in thailand over the weekend, on her way to australia where she planned on requesting asylum. saudi and thai officials initially said the teenager would be sent back to kuwait, where her family is. she reportedly had her passport confiscated by saudi agents before being brought to a guarded hotel room. on monday, al-qunun barricaded herself inside the room, where she chronicled her ordeal on twitter and demanded to speak with u.n. refugee agency officials. al-qunun left the hotel room later in the day after meeting

with u.n. representatives and receiving assurances she would not be deported. michael page of human rights watch said of her case -- "apparently, saudi authorities not only want to perpetuate systematic discrimination of women at home and prevent saudi women from freely traveling abroad, but also ensure that those who manage to escape are forced back to a life of abuse." north korean leader kim jong-un is in china for a three-day trip, his fourth visit to the country over the past year. few details of his trip have been released but he is expected to hold talks with chinese president xi jinping over trade and the possible upcoming nuclear summit with the unites states. kim's visit comes as u.s. and chinese officials are holding trade talks in hopes of ending the ongoing trade war between the two countries. in december, president trump and chinese president xi jinping agreed to a temporary truce, which is due to expire in march.

in brazil, 300 troops were deployed over the weekend to the north-eastern coastal city of fortaleza after a spate of gang-related violence followed the announcement of new measures related to the management of prisons. the deployment comes in the first week of jair bolsonaro's presidency after the far-right former army captain campaigned on a pro-military, law-and-order platform. meanwhile in rio de janeiro, human rights advocates are sounding alarm bells after the new governor wilson witzel said thursday that city security forces were authorized to shoot to kill suspects. later on, he said rio should have its own guantanamo bay to house criminals,hom he labeled terrorists. the president of the world bank, jim yong kim, will step down at the end of the month, three years before his current term was due to end. the world bank has been headed by americans, appointed by the u.s. psident, nce its creation in the 1940's. in canad armed fcesaided

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works. on theth annivsary of e shootingf formerrizona congressmember gabrielle giffords, democratic lawmakers are set to introduce new gun control legislation later today. the bill will call for universal background checks for private gun sales. however, the legislation will reportedly not address an assault weapons ban. congressmember giffords survived the 2011 shooting near tucson that left six people dead and 13 others wounded. she has since become a vocal advocate for gun control and is expected to join house speaker nancy pelo for an event in d.c. today. "the new york times" is reporting that democratic operatives created a fake social media campaign during the 2017 special senate election in alabama, pushing for a statewide ban on alcohol in an effort to help get democrat doug jones elected. the dry alabama campaign on facebook and twitter was designed to look like an initiative from religious supporters of republican roy moore and sought to scare off

moderate republicans who supported him. in december, "the new york times" reported that a group of democrats in another cyber scheme admitted to using false flag operations to make it look like russian bots were helping roy moore's campaign. doug jones narrowly beat out moore in the historically conservative state after at least nine women accused moore of sexually harassing or assaulting them when they were teenagers. in more news from alabama, the birmingham civil rights institute is coming under fire after rescinding a human rights award for civil rights activist and author angela davis. they have also canceled the event associated with the prestigious award. the institute reportedly -- the institute announced in september that davis would receive the shuttlesworth award. but on saturday, they released a statement saying they were withdrawn the award after "supporters and other concerned individuals and organizations,

both inside and outside of our local community, began to make requests that we reconsider our decision." birmingham mayor said he was dismayed by the institute's decision, which he said came after "protest from our local jewish community and some of its allies." angela davis has been a longtime outspoken defender of palestinian rights and is critical of israeli government policy. to see our recent broadcast with angela davis, go to our website at democracynow.org. supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg was not on the bench monday as justices met for the first day of oral arguments of 2019. the 85-year-old, three-time cancer-surviving justice is recuperating after she had two malignant tumors removed from her left lung just a few weeks ago. this marks the first time ruth bader ginsburg has missed a day of oral arguments since she was

confirmed to the court over 25 years ago. she will still be involved in the cases by reading the briefs and transcripts of the arguments. in more news from the supreme court, justices rejected a bid monday by exxonmobil to block massachusetts from investigating whether the oil giant misled the public and stakeholders about climate change. in response to the news, massachusetts attorney general maura healey tweeted -- "today's #scotus victory clears the way for our office to investigate exxon's conduct toward consumers and investors. the public deserves answers from this company about what it knew about the impacts of burning fossil fuels and when." in october, new york launched a lawsuit against exxon for deceiving shareholders over the financial risks of climate change. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman.

juan: welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. we begin the show with renewed calls for impeachment of donald trump. on thursday, democratic congressman brad sherman of california reintroduced articles of impeachment in the house. then thursday night, newly elected democratic congresswoman rashida tlaib of michigan made headlines for using a curse to describe the president at a bar hours after being sworn and office. >> when your son looks at you and says, mom, look, you won. a least a win. i said, baby, they don't. we're going to go in there and we're going to impeach [bleep] amy: president trump responded to tlaib by saying her remarks were "highly disrespectful to the united states of america" and said tlaib had "dishonored" herself and her family. meanwhile newly elected , democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez wrote on twitter -- "republican hypocrisy at its finest: saying that trump

admitting to sexual assault on tape is just 'locker room talk,' but scandalizing themselves into faux-outrage when my sis says a curse word in a bar. gop lost entitlement to policing women's behavior a long time ago." well, congressmember tlaib made history last week when she and ilhan omar of minnesota became the first muslim women sworn in to congress. congressmember tlaib is palestinian-american, omar is somali-american. they are part of the most diverse and most female class of representatives in u.s. history. to talk about impeachment, the government shutdown, and more, we are joined by rashida tlaib in detroit michigan. welcome back to democracy now! well, if you can start off by explaining your comments that night, thursday, when you called effer.esident an m

>> people that know me well know i am extremely passionate about fighting for my families and the residence at home. i can tell you here in my that ity, the only thing probably did not want to happen was to distract us. we're currently in a government shutdown. i want to focus on that. i want to get as to start driving the message out there about the human impact that the government shutdown has. self.i am my authentic this is uim. i am.s is who they want people real and human. but at the same time, i don't want us to be distracted by what is important right now, which is accountability for the president of the united states, which is to get us back open and functional as a government. there is so much work to be done. i did not expect this kind of attention and maybe a tax on

what i said. although, i still want to impeach him. demanded that you apologize. what is your comment? >> look, one of the things that i think is really important is the fact that i know this is a teachable moment. i understand i am a member of congress now. but i am also a person that is upset with the conduct of my president, of the conduct of a person of what is happening at the borders commit a person that is muslim in america what is being said about my faith. there is so much there. i am passionate. i am upset. but i won't apologize for being upset or angry. what i do apologize is the use of my words for distracting us. we had just voted to open up government. i want to focus on that.

i want to focus on the fact 800,000 employees, workers right now that i constantly am hearing from and that are approaching me now -- contractors, people helping violence against women through their contract with the government -- don't have any income coming in to serve these women that are victims of domestic violence. so much work is to be done. and that is the thing i want us to be focused on and drive us to talk about that. i heard from a woman yesterday she was calling the social security administration and no one is calling her back. that is what we need to focus on, not my use of language. juan: i did want to ask about this issue because, obviously, the issue of impeachment is important to many democrats. what do you say to those who say, why not wait for the mueller investigation to come out with its findings before moving to try to attempt to

impeach the president? >> look, the constitution demands me as a member of commerce to hold him accountable. i don't think american people understand, even the decision not to open up the government is not because it is the best interest of the mecca people or is it because it has something to do with the corporations, businesses? n the president, he is divested in all of his companies and corporations. here or abroad. a lot of the decisions being made out of the white house, out of the president united states office, could be made because it is for-profit, because it is the best interest of his companies and the bottom line, not the best interest of the american people. that is a dangerous precedence for us to have someone sitting in office as our president that is not divested from his corporations and his for-profit entities across the country, in the world. so it is really important for

the american people to understand, this is a really slippery slope that we cannot allow to continue to go down. it sets a precedence that we are ok with the president being in office that is collecting money for profit. like, this is literally corporate greed at its best. we cannot allow that to happen as our president. juan: also, the issue of the president who will be speaking tonight, threatening to declare a national emergency because he is not getting a bill passed by the congress that he is willing to sign because he wants his $5.7 billion for a wall, what do you say about this full issue of a national emergency that he has been raising lately? >> we need to really be focused on the issues here. this is a person that wants to intimidate and bully. from the white house. i can tell you, look, the republicans had power over the house and over the senate as well as the white house. i don't understand why we are

now talking about this. this is not a wall. it really is not. if it was, they would have done something about it before. this is him distracting us from the fact that he had one of the largest tax breaks for corporations, for the rich, and now he is trying to figure out how to pay for it. guess what? it looks like it will be the low income, middle class, working families across this country that will have to pay for it. what is important for folks that are listening to us today is that even if we pass what we sent over, with the house democrats sent over and seven republicans sent over to the , bills thathe bill would open up government again. if he does not have to sign it. if it passes through the senate, then in 10 days it becomes effective. so we don't need him. this is somebody that is not going to care about that worker,

about that senior, or even the veteran that i'm going to see in an hour that is being denied access to services that government is supposed to be about. i don't understand this kind of play that you -- this is not a game for us. it is frustrating. upsetting for so many people in detroit in the communities i represent that he is doing something like this versus doing something that is responsible, which is lead with compassion, lead with some sort of sense of responsibility for these people. these are people that are supposed to be about government. government is not supposed to be power or who is going to do this or that. it is supposed to be about us. that is what is so increasingly frustrating about some of his acons. and it really is so distracting as from the human impact of this government shutdown right now. amy: in a video address last month, president trump compared

his proposed wall to the separation wall in israel and the occupied palestinian territories. this is what he said. pres. trump: i am asking congress to defend the border of fraction, for a tiny a tiny fraction of the cost. essential to border security is a powerful, physical barrier. walls work, whether we liket or not. they work better than anything. in israel, 99.9% successful. benjamin netanyahu, the prime minister, two days ago . we were talking about it. he said it is 99.9% -- i did not ask, i said 99.9% successful. amy: congress member rashida tlaib, you are one of the first two muslim women congressmembers just sworn in last week. your thoughts? >> a wall is dehumanizing.

we have to be a nation of compassion in some sort of humanity when it comes to the treatment of other human beings. they can compare walls after walls, but we all know when a wall is put up, violence increases, separation increases. when i think of our immigration system, i am tired of thinking about criminals and walls and separation of families. we should be thinking about humidity and our values of who we are. when i think of immigration, i want to think of families, of unity, of a safe place. where we can welcome a child that is hungry. i am really frustrated where we oversimplify this sense of let's put walls up, let's support people, let's just separate people. -- let the poor people, let's just separate people. when we segregated families,

when our country denied access to my black neighbors here to jobs, to where they could live come all of those things, to me it is so intersected to what he is trying to say. i want to push back against that and say to folks, please stay focused. focus on the human impact of the fact that the united states government is now experiencing a shutdown. on the 18th day. i don't think people realize them even the so-called critical employees, folks still employed and still able to function -- they're not able to function because they have nowhere else to call because those individuals that are supposed to serve our residents back home are not answering the phones because they are not at work. it really needs to be refocused on that. you know, amy, over and over again, i mean i know this from hearing from folks here, they keep telling us, don't sell out

to this kind of rhetoric. don't believe -- fall into the trap of this kind of rhetoric. i tell the american people across the country, not only my , but across the country we need to wake up to understand how dangerous these messages are and how it really isn't going to make our country safer. i truly believe our border is safe. we need to fully understand the impacts of starting to say, "let's put walls up." juan: now that you are in congress, what you hope took college while you are there? you been a supporter of medicare for all, $15 minimum wage, and abolishing ice. several planks of the left wing of the democratic party are considered type dreams by even other democratic party members. what is your sense of what you can accomplish? >> we can a college so much

because elevating the voices of your residence is powerful and part of a movement to make sure people have justice and equality , incoming quality, an summoning things that i think are lacking in our country right now. my first bill really came out from hearing from people that are saying, look, we have the third poorest congressional district. we also, less than half of our families do not own their own home. i have some cities that don't even have school districts right now. again, all of that is so connected with the fact we don't have a just, equitable society. my justice for all civil rights act expands what we can do against car insurance companies, against mortgage companies, banks -- all of those entities that have structures in place that keep people down, that -- from the impact of their policies, is discriminatory and practice. so many of my families today, based on what they look like, based on where they live, are being discriminated against.

yes, we passed the civil rights act 50 years ago, but guess what? the courts watered it down to the point where the threshold is so high, we cannot be able to push back against some of these discriminatory practices. it is transformative because justice for all civil rights act says we can look at the impact. if the impact of the structures in place in the public or private sector is discriminatory, it hurts families. that is enough to say our civil rights is violated. i know if we can pass the civil rights act of 1964 over 50 years ago, then we can has justice for all civil rights act, pass medicare for all, push up against the corporations tainting our democracy right now with the campaign finance laws out of lack. we will continue to educate people, to really be able to increase this movement around the fact that these are possible . there possible because it is the

will of the people. even at home here, people know this. just talking about it alone ignites the kind of fire that we need in our communities at home to push d.c. and push the members of congress to finally say, we can do something about it. the fact we are having hearings on medicare for all, to me, alone, says we are moving in the right direction. amy: congressmember tlaib, can you also respond to, well, the intercept is reporting the senate in its first legislative act will take up the bill that aims to prevent opposition to the israeli government by allowing state and local governments to boycott any u.s. companies, which are engaged in a boycott against israel. bdss called the combating act. it is part of multiple foreign-policy measures contained in a bill that is sponsored by marco rubio, similar to the reportedly less extreme measure introduced last

year by democratic senator ben cardin, which was met with condemnation from free speech advocates. 26 states currently have laws sanctioning entities which support a boycott of israel, which can until punishment of individuals working for employers subject to anti-boycott laws. can you explain or respond to the spate of loss in the legislation being introduced? >> i agree with senator sanders and aclu and others that see this not -- see this as an anti-first amendment bill. the fact that we have our senators that right now could be voting on opening up our government -- they have the bills in their hands -- for voting on this, that is distracting us from what is our focus, which is the american people. i can tell you looking at this push among even just the state saying you will not employ someone that doesn't sign some sort of allegiance to say they

will not boycott another country, it is literally at the core right there is literally an attack on our constitution, on one of our most critical rights critical rightsour that we have in our country, freedom of speech. i cannot imagine our country not having the right to economic boycott. think about alabama -- think about montgomery, alabama, all around the country, the civil rights movement. even now for those that occupy walmart, the attack on corporations -- all of those right to using the speak, the right to economic boycott, the right to build a push up against things they disagree with. there is stepping wrong with that. i just wish the united states and editors that are in power, that are in leadership right now would not be so focused on taking away our rights and be focused on helping the thousands

of families, millions going on the 18th day, that are impacted by the government shutdown. amy: let me ask you to respond to the criticism he faced about this recent tweet you posted concerning the bill. you tweeted -- "they forgot what country they represent. this is the u.s. where boycotting is a right & part of our historical fight for freedom & equality. maybe a refresher on our u.s. constitution is in order, then get back to opening up our government instead of taking our rights away." some critics claimed the comment was anti-semitic. jonathan greenblatt, head of the anti-defamation league, tweeted -- "intentional or not, this could be interpreted as offensively insinuating dual loyalty -- a trope with a long & troubling history. it's possible to engage in the democratic process w/o claiming the other side is disloyal." your response, commerce member tlaib? the united states

constitution. that is exactly what i want them to do. that is the law of the land. for me, that is why they have forgot what country that we are representing. i need them to focus on our -- looknd understanding at that tweak. it just says, read the constitution, focus. focus on our values and our rights right now. i don't want our right to be able to speak to be taken away. i don't care if it is saudi arabia or israel or any other country, i can't imagine our members of congress or even the residence back in the day that pushed back against apartheid in africa not to be able to boycott. all of these kinds of claims are just farce. they will continue -- my mere existence is a member of congress, as a palestinian causes a lot of fear because i am here as a human being, as an

american that is saying to the world that we exist. and that alone come anything to push up against that and a label me as some sort of anti-semitic -- i can tell you from campaigning against take on hate to pushing back against so much racism and bigotry against anybody based on their faith, is what i do. i do it on a daily basis. i can tell you it is a way to try to possibly reduce what i am trying to say, to try to sway people away that this is not what -- basically, my treat, which is this is against the united states constitution. i really wish and no that many people agree with me, that freedom of speech is something sacred and something that is important that we need to very much protect. amy: before we end, congress can you describe

to us this epic day last week, this historic day when more than 100 women were sworn into congress coming among them. you made history as one of 2 -- the first two muslim women along iklhanll on hormone -- beaumont. describe that to us. >> i don't think people realize even for me to be there, i was watching deb haaland from new mexico in front of me getting sworn in. i could see from afar lucy mcbath getting sworn in and all of these incredible women. many of us did not run because of our diverse backgrounds. we want toan because help our neighbors, our people across the country. when i think about this moment and this historic class, i know that i have this tremendous

amount of hope and inspiration that this disconnect that we all feel with our members of congress right now, with this congress in general, that it is -- that connection is starting to disappear a little bit more because now we're starting to look, talk, and feel like the rest of the country. mcbathwhen i hear lucy talk about her senate she lost to gun violence, jordan, i get emotional. i get focused again. and that is what inspires me is when, you know, seeing lucy mcbath fight for her child, seeing this incredible woman, strong woman deb haaland, fight for our native americans across the country that have been denied a seat at the table every moment in history in our country -- all of that to me gives me so much hope and inspiration that we are going to do better and we are going to be able to really, truly change this country for

the best. amy: we want to thank you for being with us. rashida tlaib is the democratic congresswoman to michigan's 13th congressional district. along with ilhan omar, she is the first muslim woman elected to congress. this is democracy now! when we come back, the film "crime + punishment" on quotas on the part of police officers in new york. who gets arrested? who doesn't? who gets summonses? who doesn't? stay with us. ♪ [music break]

this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. amy: juan: we turn now to a group of new york police department officers, mostly latino and african-american, who dared to challenge what they called a racially-charged policy of quotas for arrests and summonses. they're known as the nypd 12.

they risk their reputation and livelihood to confront their superiors, fight illegal quotas, and demand a more just police force. now they are being featured in a film called, and punishment, which has just been shortlisted .or an academy award this is the movie's trailer. >>he deparent sa there a no quos. >> i catell youhere a quot in the pd. explove allegions. fed athe nypd2 ass-acti lawsuitn federa cour >> ts is notust anotr lauit. cupstepping up. u'reot goingo get th agaifor 100 ars. from thbeginnini saw ho thisob was. its not abt helpin pple, isbout sumnses. >> whos targed mt?

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a group of new york city police officers known as the nypd 12. today, he's speaking only in the capacity of a private citizen, not on behalf of the nypd. we welcome you both democracy now! talk about the significance of this film and why you made it, steve. >> first of all, thank you for having me. amy: and congratulations on being shortlisted for the oscars. >> we have been working on this beat for a must seven years now. what we had seen in our prior work -- this is actually our fourth, possibly fit project on policing in new york city -- was that there was a real disconnect between the messaging that was being put out by the city and the department and also especially in light of the results from the federal hearing on stop and frisk and what was still persisting on the ground in new york city. because of our prior work and

relationships we had in place with some very instrumental involved, wewere set out to make an observational documentary that would actually track both the policies playing out within the precincts as well as the impact on the streets. juan: this issue of the quota system in the police department decades long battle. i recall as a columnist at "the daily news" in 1990 right in a series of articles -- then it was written quotas that the commanding officers would put in the precincts, 25 parking summonses, two moving violations arrest a month. it also debt problems within the police department. what has changed to move this

issue forward over the last decade since you have gotten involved? >> that is correct. the thing that has changed that is alarming is the problem has been acknowledged and yet the remedies have not been sufficient. what we set out to do in the film was demonstrate firsthand by bearing witness to a group -- a growing group of officers, active duty, that they themselves believe the mission of policing was still misguided that- not ju sharpened, but improvedo that notnly inviduals andeavilyargeted minori neighbooods, bualso ficers tmselve, ra and fi, could elore ab to do the job that they joid the force do. amy: steve maing, you recently sparred with your mayor bill de blasio on the npr station here in new york. the mayor insisted there is no quota system. let's go to that part of the exchange. >> there still a de facto quota

in practice. i was wondering if the mayor had any interest in sing the film and meeting with the nypd 12. >> happily would have senior members of my team meet with him and see the film and address whatever facts are presented. i never want to look away from anyone who is presenting some information that could be valuable. at his facts on the surface don't make sense. 37%.ts are down everytire training -- officer, 36,000, have been reach rain. this is not accidental stuff or small stuff. this is a massive sea change amy: massive seachange. >> thank goodness for the mute button on live radio. oh is not able to interject or follow-up. what the mayor was failing to of knowledge was training is not what remedies the situation. we have seen the city and department go through racial

sensitive -- racial sensitivity training. there been lawsuits on hundreds of millions of dollars that pay annually for police misconduct on racial claims. there's no evidence of internal restructuring. but what i can say is the nypd themselves released their own racial data on criminal summons in in e last o quarte of 2017 that monstrat when yo addp somef the hiest earners that c acrosracial lines --arijuana posseion, en coainers -the partmentas been ill taeting the minori commites five mes more often than whites. the tenant raymond, i want to ask you, during the giuliani years, commissioner bratton during his first tenure here

introduced the const at system to basically ruled by -- the policy, crime-fighting policy by the statistics of whether crimes were being committed. this emphasis on stats and the police department, how big is it during the time that you have been in the police department, this process on statistics? >> thank you for having us. you are right, in the 1990's, inter-theen const at police department, these corporate america types of .etrics used the issue with that is in corporate america when chasing quarterly dividends, it doesn't always translate so well. i think that is where a lot of the problems stem, not understanding everything -- there certain complexities in policing that you cannot -- it does not fit the metrics used to gauge success.

comstat shows where there are problematic areas in what areas need attention, but it is what you do after you realize there's a problem. unfortunately, because the concept of broken windows policing which says the over policed innocuous infractions in order to stop bigger things from happening, this is where the quota is born. thisse of this homicide on corner, we have to show increase enforcement activity on the corner and to make sure officers are increasing the activity, you give them a quota. the problem is, there's a serious human cost of that. there is no empirical data that shows in correlation between that type of policing and crime actually dropping. amy: lieutenant, you said law enforcement uses black bodies to generate revenue. >> yes. yes. thingse said, the main that are enforced in the new york city police department and

the five boroughs are things that happen ubiquitously throughout the city, yet, again, 5.6 times it is people of color who are being targeted, who actually have to face the repercussions for committing those violations -- marijuana, opened a, amongst other things. --we enforced equally because these things, from my own observation are happening, ominously, it happens -- honestly, have is a little higher in white communities but rarely are way folks the ones are getting the summonses.

amy: we're going to go to break and come back to this break. we're talking about the documentary "crime + punishment ." it was just shortlisted for an oscar. stay with us. ♪ [music break] amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. we're talking about the documentary "crime + punishment ." our guests, lieutenant edwin raymond is the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit filed a a group of new

york police officers known as the nypd 12. they say officers are forced to meet monthly quotas for arrests and summonses despite a 2010 statewide ban on such quotas. we're going to turn right now to a clip of the documentary. lieutenant raymond made a hidden audio recording of his conversation with his immediate supervisor marn campbe. th clip sttsith raymd. >> with thenforcemt is? >>t has be more lks not re. that is . looks en it mes to nbers, i'm t the lost. ev though 'reot suppod toare abounumbers,'m ill t the lowes so why is exaffort th me? >> you wt me to ll you wt i ink it i >> need tonderstanthis. >>ou are younglack man smart. vy

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dreadlocks and that is just frowned upon. amy: why did you go into policing? what was your interaction with the police in east flatbush when you were growing up? >> as a little kid, it was fine. once i entered about5, 16 teenage years, it start to change. ficersere throng me agnst the ll, gng thrgh myockets illally. i starte getng that eatment at younglack mennow very well in w york city. itas easfor me a 1or 16 to y, wel he is ahite guynd i'm a blk young man, is st racis thats how myind ma sense of that teractio en it srted hapning wit offirs of cor come t sam exactreatmen thats part otheeason y i cided tooin policg, toee hoporter ain, dominan, non-hianic bla person treat me the se way. i can't justritet off as racism a bigotry thats when ient intohe poce departmen andearned

about e quot syste i stted repling a loof the tuations endureds a teenag wh my frien that said, we, now i alize wha was gog on the entire ti. the were simpltrying t meet their quota. , you beene maing looking at this for years in major cities. why do you think the police departments resist change so systematically? when you look at it, the composition of the police force has changed. it used to be all white and now it is increasingly minority. it is still disproportionately white, but not nearly as much as it was 30 or 40 years ago. there have been efforts to retrain but yet there still seems to be just what the police force has to do to make it resistant to change? >> i think the idea of structural bias is very large institutions is that it is very

hard to pinpoint. there are no easily to trackable, sizable moments, discriminatory policy at times. it may not even be written in plain words or visible like the civil rights era. but what we're seeing is it plays out in innocuous and benign ways through the chain of command, as you here in some of the recordings that edwin raymond shared in the film, such that it is hard to track and prove, but it is happening nonetheless when you compile and look holistic leak at the expense of officers and individuals on the receiving end. additionally, when you ask why is it -- what is this department resistant to change? well, there's a cash value. simple as that. it is very high in the tens of hundreds of millions of dollars. juan: there's a cash right to arrests. of a cousin who was a police detective for many years and is retired now, and she's to tell

me whenever she was going to do in arrest, she always tended to do it for the end of the shift because then she would have to go to central booking and get ot. then she could spent eight hours in central booking gaining overtime pay just as the result of the arrest. >> absolutely. as recently of december of this past year, there was tech messages or disclosed from a lieutenant in the manhattan precinct talking about the stressf traffic stop coming review, sort of comstat productivity. that is evidence showing the pressure is still on. we've had overwhelming response from officers coming to us after screenings and to the other plaintiffs in the nypd 12 class action saying, thank you for doing what we could not. amy: let's go to another clip from the documentary "crime + punishment."

>> hey, santa, what is going on? >> they took me off my car and pute whereothing igoing on. then if somethinhappens the areai'm t alloweto move from tre. it like beg treate like a child. younow, wheyou put child in timut. all of those cops learn from example. amy: and here sandy is confronted for wearing a winter hat in cold weather. amy: lieutenant edwin raymond,

talk about this and what you're hoping to get out of your lawsuit. >> the clip with sandy, it --ically shows that the way it is basically broken windows on police officers. the same petty, innocuous infractions that get over and forced in the public, when you are on the radar, now all of a sudden, pity, innocuous violations of the patrol guys -- you get reprimanded for. things reason being, that can put you on the radar, one of the main ones is not meeting the quotas. in that clip, that is broken windows enforcement of new york city nypd procedures. what i am hoping is that the

department in the city finally understands and respects what people have been saying, activists, people of color have been saying for decades. because the relationship between the apartment and some demographics, in a similar to a parent to a child. "i know what is best for you." we are adults and we know what we are experiencing. in hindsight, it is always when they say, oh -- like right now, one of the things the department brags about is how low the stop and frisk numbers are. but five years ago before the case was finished, they basically said that the judge would be responsible for 20 years of progress, of dropping crime. they said it is dangerous what she has done and mayor bloomberg at the time immediately appealed the case. mayork of the current credit for dropping that. but what people missed about the stop and frisk case, that is

just one of three parts. there are the summonses in the included.wish were amy: i want to thank you both for being with us, new york police lieutenant edwin raymond and steve maing,

hello. a very warm welcome to nhk "newsline." it's 9:00 a.m. wednesday. we begin in tokyo, the defense team for the former chairman ghosn committed crimes continued detention. the lawyers held a news conference on tuesday after ghosn appeared many court to hear the reason why he's been detained f