06/04/19 06/04/19 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from new york, this is democracy now! that expressialism a high rates of violence against people.us women, girls, and absolute paradigm shihift is required to dismantle colonialism. amy: following decades of outcry

from indigenous communities, a national inquiry in canada has determined that t the murder and disappearance of indigenous women and girls amounts to genocide. we will speak with reports chief commissioner. then as the 2020 election heats up and calls for president trump's impeachment continue, we look at the deepening divide within the democratic party. >> all of us are united in defeating trump, but let me be frank with you and raise the issue that i think is on everyone's mind. and that is, what is the best way to defeat trump? amy: we'll speak with ryan grim, the author of the new book "we've got people: from jesse jackson to alexandria ocasio-cortez, the end of big money and the rise of a movement." all that and more, coming up.

welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. on monday, customs and border protection officials announced two more deaths of migrants in their custody. three migrants have now died in three days while in government custody. a 40-year-old honduran woman died monday morning. she collapsed just 25 minutes after being detained near the border in eagle pass, texas, but could not be saved by emergency medical treatment. cbp also said monday a 33-year-old salvadoran man died after experienencing apparent seizures following his apprehension sunday. the deaths follow that of johana medina on saturday, a 25-year-old transgender woman from el salvador, who had sought medical treatment for over two months for complications related to hiv/aids. in addition to the recent deaths, at least six margaret children have died over the last

eight months after they were arrested crossing into the u.s. from mexico. before last year, no child died in u.s. immigration custody in over a decade. a federal judge denied a request by house democrats to block president trump from diverting funds from federal accounts to build his border wall. the request from lawmakers came as part of a lawsuit challenging trump's declaration of a national emergency. judge trevor mcfadden said he didn't believe the court should intervene in the matter and that the house did not have the authority to challenge the move. judge mcfadden is a trump appointee. mexican officials are in washington, d.c., this week for talks with the trump administration over trump's recent threat to impose a 5% tariff on all imported goods over what it claims is mexico's failure e to stem the flow of central american migrants into the united states. this is mexican foreign minister marcel ebrard.

>> slapping tariffs along with the decision to cancel the aid programs to the northern central american countries could have a counterproductive effect and would not reduce the migration flows. tariffs could cause financial and economic instability, which means mexico could reduce its capacity to address migration flows and offer alternatives to the new migrants who haveve rest arrived in mexico. amy: "the washington post" is reporting republican lawmakers are contemplating a vote to block trump's new tariffs on mexico, fearing the move will result in tax increases back in the u.s. lawmakers from both parties warn the move would put the upcoming trade deal known as the united states-mexico-canada agreement, or usmca, in jeopardy. meanwhile, the u.s. has made plans to send dozens of border patrol agents to guatemala in an attempt to curb the number of northbound central americann migrants who make it to mexico.

acting secretary of homeland security kevin mcaleenan announced the plan as part of a larger scheme to offset trump administration cuts to central american assistance funds earlier this year. the plan also includes sending 80 homeland security agents to guatemala to train local authorities on breaking up human trafficking rings. as president trump continues his state visit to britain, meeting with outgoing prime minister theresa may today, londoners have come out in droves to protest president trump. on monday, demonstrators gathered near buckingham palace as the trump family attended a state dinner with the british royals. >> i'm here to protest against donald trump's racism, justt , separatingbout him children from their families, pulling out of the climate agreement -- he is just a

horrible person. amy: before arriving in britain, president trump consulted london's first muslim mayor sadiq khan after he called out trump's divisive far right policies. n reminds med "khab of the blah zero who has also done a terrible job, only half his height." trump also called khan stone cold loser after arriving in london and insulted african-american royal duchess of sussex meghan markle after 2016ing she opposed his candidacy, telling a british newspaper she was nasty. trump is expected to discuss a possible new trade deal with prime minister may and business leaders today as britain prepares to exit from the european union later this year. in sudan, the death toll from monday's raid on a protest site climbed to at least 35 according to protesters. the united nations called for an investigation into the killings

and the use of excessive force by military and security forces. some protest leaders are calling for total civil disobedience as they continue to oppose the military government which has assumed power following the overthrow of long-time authoritarian president omar al-bashir in april after months of popular demonstrations. meanwhile, the transitional military council has said it is canceling its negotiations with the opposition coalition and says it will hold elections within nine months. in syria, a car bomb killed at least 14 people in the northern border city of azaz monday according g to lal reports. turkish state media and the britain-based syrian observatory for human rights reported the atattack, which they say killed four children. monday's explosion follows another blast on saturday, which is believed to have killed 10 people and wounded 20 in the northern city of raqqa.

on swedish court rejected a monday, a request to arrest and detain wikileaks founder julian assange, halting for now an extradition attempt by swedish prosecutors over a recently reopened sexual assault investigation from 2010. assange is now serving a 50-week sentence at belmarsh prison in london for skipping bail. his lawyers and the u.n. special rapporteur on torture have warned assange's health and psychological well-being are deteriorating. swedish prosecutors say they will proceed to question assange while in british detention instead. the decision could make possible extradition to the u.s. easier. assange faces 17 counts of violating the espionage act for his role in publishing u.s. classified military and diplomatic documents leaked by u.s. army whistleblower chelsea manning and exposing u.s. war crimes in iraq and afghanistan

and he also faces one count of hacking a government computer. he faces more than 170 years in a u.s. prison. cnn is reporting north korea special envoy to the united states is alive. he is under investigation for his role in failed talks with the trump administration on denuclearization. this contradicts a report by south korean newspaper last week that kim hyok-chol was shot to death after president trump walked away y from t the summitn vietnam without a deal. on sunday, north korean state media published a photo appearing to show north korea's chief negotiator kim hyok-chol attending a recent art leaderance along with kim jong-un, contradicting a report that he hahad been purge. meanwhile, north korean media sisterd kim jong-un's

attended a performance at the stadium this week, the first time she had been seen in public in three months. back in the united states, the house passed a $19 billion disaster relief package monday, providing funding for natural disaster aid around the country, which includes for hurricane $900 million recovery in puerto rico. three republican lawmakers have previously blocked passage of the bill during the congressional recess. following the house vote, trump tweeted -- "house just passed the 19.1 billion dollar disaster aid bill. great, now we will get it done in the senate! farmers, puerto rico and all will be very happy." however, the bill already passed in the senate last month, which trump at the time tweeted about. the tweet was removed after many users pointed this out in the comments. the measure will now to head to the president's desk. presidential adviser jared

kushner is causing waves after a rare televised interview on "axios with hbo," in which he defended t the policies s of h father-in-law, presisident trum. "axios" tetervier jojonathan swan repeatedly pressed kushner on whether he believes that trump isis a racist -- citing trump's s reateded false claims that president baracack obama ws not bo in the united states.s. >> is birther is an racist? >> look, i wasn't really involved. >> i know u weren't. was it racist? >> like i said, i was n inlveded. > i know you worked was it racist >> look, knowho the presidenis and i'not seen anytytng in hi thais racis i wanot invoed in that. >> did you wish he didn't do it? >> that was a long time ago. amy: jared kushner also said he doesn't know if he'd alert the fbi if he received an email similar to the one that prompted the trump tower meeting in 2016,

in which a lawyer connected to the russian government offered to provide dirt against hillary clinton to the trump campaign. kushner saidid he did not cacale fbi at the time of the 2016 incident because he was busy. asked if palestinians are capable of governing an independent nation, kushner said, "the hope is that over time, they can become capable of governing." the u.s. supreme court turned down a request by the justice department to expedite reviewing a challenge to trump's plan to do away with the deferred action for childhood arrivals, known as daca. a lawyer representing the trump administration had urged the court to make a decision on whether they will hear the case before the end of the current term later this month. the decision may now be delayed until the next session starts in the fall. multiple lawsuits followed the

trump administration's 2017 announcement that it would end daca and appeals courts have so far blocked the plan from going ahead. the tech industry is facing multiple anti-trust probes by federal regulators and lawmakers. according to reports, the justice department will oversee investigations into google and apple, while thehe federal trade commmmissionon wl tatake on fack and amazon. meanwhile, the house judiciary committee is launching a bipartisan investigation into the tech industry for anticompetitive conduct. in a statement, house judiciary chair jerry nadler said, "there is growing evidence that a handful of gatekeepers have come to capture control over key arteries of online commerce, content, and communications." in more news from the capitol, the e use oversisight committee said thehey will vote on holding attorney general william barr and commerce secretary wilbur

ross in contempt for failing too comply with congressional subpoenas relating to the citizenship question on the 2020 census. house oversight chair elijah cummings said in letters to barr and ross on monday he is giving them until thursday before scheduling the vote. times"ek, "the new york broke a story about a now-dead senior republican strategist who specialized in gerrymandering and was secretly behind the trump administration's efforts to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census. meanwhile, house lawmakers are set to vote next tuesday on whether to hold attorney general barr in contempt over his refusal to provide congress with robert mueller's unredacted report and its underlying materials. they will also hold a contempt vote for former white house counsel don mcgahn after he refused to provide documents and

testimony related to the mueller inquiry and d possible obstructn of justice by the president. in an news, the trump administration friday -- in environmental news, the trump administration on lifted a ban friday on the summertime sale of e15, an ethanol-containing gasoline. the ban, in place since 2011, was designed to reduce smog levels in the hotter months. collin o'mara, president and ceo of the national wildlife federation, said that the move is "illegal under the clean air act and will accelerate the destruction of wildlife habitat and pollution of our air, and drinking water." the news is seen as a victory for corn-producing farmers, but the oil industry, which sees the ethanol-based gasoline as competition to its petroleum-based fuel, has also criticized the lifting of the ban. both environmental groups and the oil industry are expected to challenge the move in court. and as a number of states around the country ramp up their attack on reproductive rights, illinois and nevada took steps friday to

expand abortion protections. in illinois, the senate passed the reproductive health act, which asserts the fundamental right to have an abortion and asserts that a "fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus does not have independent rights." the illinois house already passed the measure and democratic governor j.b. pritzker, who has publicly backed the bill, is expected to sign it into law. in nevada, democratic governor steve sisolak signed the "trust nevada women act" friday, which decriminalizes certain acts related to providing abortions. it also removes the requirements that abortion providers explain the emotional implications of an abortion to patients. the house judiciary committee is holding a hearing today on threats to reproductive rights in america. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. juan: and i'm juan gonzalez. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world.

we begin today's show in canada, where a devastating national inquiry has determined that the frequent and widespread disappearance and murder of indigenous girls and women is a genocide that the canadian government itself is responsible for. this chilling conclusion was reported by the canadian national inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women and girls at a ceremony on monday with prime minister justin trudeau and the families of victims. many in the audience held red flowers to commemorate the dead. this is marion buller, the chief commissioner of the inquiry, speaking at the ceremony, which was held at the canadian museum of history. >> the significant persistent and deliberate pattern of systemic racial and gendered human and indigenous rights violations and abuses perpetuated historically and

maintain today by the canadian state, designed to displace indigenous people from their land, social structures, and government, and to eraradicate natioio,stence as communities, f families, and indidividuals, is the cause of e didisappearances, murderers, and violence experienced by indigenous women, girls, to be lgbtq, and this is genocide. juan: the inquiry issued 231 recommendations on how to address the deaths. at the same ceremony, prime miminister justin trududeau prod to conduct a thorough review of the report. >> time and again we have heard of their disappearance, viololee them or eveven death beieing lad low p prioritity or ignored.

we have heard of their human rights being consistently and systematically violated. it is shameful. it is absolutely unacceptable. and it must end. [applause] to the missing and murdered indigenous women and girls of canada, to their families, and to sururvivors, we have failed you. we will fail youou no longer. in the days ahead, let us walk forward together as partners, hand in hand come as we write these wrongs and seek justice for the indigenous people of canada. amy: the report follows decades of anguish and anger as indigenous communities have called for greater attention to

the epidemic of dead and missing indigenous women, girls and two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex and asexual people. 1500 family members of victims and survivors gave testimony to the commission, painting a picture of violence, state-sanctioned neglect, and pervasive racist and sexist stereotypes that have led to nearly indigenous women and 1200 girls to die or go missing between 1980 and 2012. and that number could be a massive undercount -- indigenous activists say many deaths go unreported and unnoticed. the national inquiry was convened after the body of 15-year-old tina fontaine from the sagkeeng first nation was found in the red river in winnipeg, manitoba, in 2014. for more, we are joined by two guests. in ottawa, we're joined by marion buller, the chief commissioner of the national

inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. she is cree and a member of the mistawasis first nation in saskatchewan. marion buller is a retired indigenous judge and was british columbia's first ever female indigenous judge. and in vancouver, we're joined by robyn bourgeoeois, a mixed-re cree academic and activist. she is an assistant professor in the centre for women's and gender studies at brock university where her work focuses on indigenous feminisms, violence against indigenous women and girls, and indigenous women's political activism and leadershship. we welcome you both to democracy now! chief commissioner marion buller , if you can start off by laying out for the world, for our global audience, how this inquiryy began, this national inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, and your cheap findings and how long did this take? >> we started this national

inquiry back in september 2016. over, gee, how many years and months now? i have lost track. we have heard from families and survivors from coast to coast to coast about their experiences with the canadian state. , the police.an not we also heard about shortcomings in the child welfare system, education, health, other areas of government services. thenen we had to do our final report to government. butid do a report in 2017, our final report is the one that was just released. it is about 1200 pages long. our chief findings are, amongst others, the findings of genocide , as you have recorded earlier. we have also found that there have been human rights and

indigenous rights violations perpetuated over a generation. we have also found governments have deliberately underfunded or improperly delivered services to indigenous people. all across canada, we found as well that indigenous women and girls are targeted by perpetrators of violence, targeted all across canada. oure have to be changes to criminal justice system and our judicial system to right those longs, to o denounce editor the horrendous amount of violence against indigenous women and girls. we have been told by perpetrators of violence that they target indigenous women and girls because they can, they can get away with it. court, thegets to sentence will just be a slap on the hand. we've also heard about children

be removed from their families. thatde findings of fact children are removed from families not because the parents are incompetent or negligent, it is because the parents are poor. the parents are poor because the state delivery of services and because of the genocide that has been going on in canada for generations now. so policing, criminal justice, child welfare, indigenous rights breaches and abuses -- human rights abuses and violations, all of them -- i think that is about the best summary i can give you in a short period of time. juan: chief commissioner buller, could you talk about how the report was pulled together? pages long.000 how did you compile the information during the process of your investigation? >> we have still probably one of teams,t amazing research

led by an indigenous woman herself last updated incredible work to marshal the evidence we heard to make sure that we were coming from a very sound and strong position. we knew by the time we had heard from families and survivors, we knew what the issues were. we knew the problems we had to address. a research team provided a wonderful foundation for us to move forward. juan: when you talk about genocide, most people associate genocide against a particular group with conscious, deliver it actions of government to directly kill or murder people. could you talk about the legal understanding that you put together to declare that canada

has been involved in genocide? >> you are correct. most of us, myself included before i started this work, thought genocide was something like the holocaust or the rwanda massacres, massacres of people that occurred elsewhere in very short periods of time. relatively speaking. the genocide that has occurred in canada has been over generations of people. generations of human rights and indigenous rights violations, deliberate underfunding of services and programs to indigenous people, forcibly removing children from their families, children being removed and never seen again by their own families, forced sterilization of women and girls. the list goes on. but from our perspectiveve and from the legal definition, genocide can be over a long

period of time of deliberate state action that looks different from what we commonly think of as genocide. , legally,genocide nonetheless. a make or the report says canadian police and the criminal justice system have viewed indigenous women through a lens of pervasive racist and sexist stereotypes for reports "apathy often takes the form of stereotyping and victim blaming such as when police describe missing loved ones as drunks, runaways out partying, prostitutes, and worthy of follow-up." declaring this and with the prime minister of canada talking about this now as a genocide as a result of your inquiry, except in the results of your inquiry, how does t this mean the police attitude toward indigenous people will change? >> first of all, the truth is

out there now. it is public knowledge now that this is how police services have been treating indigenous women and girls. i think this started a movement of police services to rethink their policies and practices, but most of all, i am hoping it will mean that police services will start to build new relationships with indigenous communities and indigenous people. you could and hear the truth now. juan: i want to bring in robyn bourgeois. welcome to democracy now! your reaction to this report? did you expect such a sweeping and damning condemnation of canadian policy? >> honestly, i did not. having s studied previous where indigenous women have gone to the government off canada, one f the things i have been very critical of is that i felt there

was diminisished violence sometimes. i've been waiting for most of my life to hear what has happened to me because i'm also a survivor of this violence, to hear t that be described as genocide. it has been 40 years. i think it is overwhelming and it is about time. what yourlk about most surprised by in this report, professor bourgeois. talk about what this means in your community and indigenous communities across canada. >> i actually think there must uprising part was genocide. we have had a tendency to sort of distance ourselves from that term in some ways. i philip -- i think about the final report of f the truth and reconciliation commission ininto indian residential schools where thee term cultural genocide was used. i've been critical of ththat because that prefix of cultural implies itit was our indigenous

culture that t were destroyed ad eliminated and not some reservations and our people. to say this is genocide, to actually take thisis u.n. definition, this u understanding of what that means, say, no, you know what? what happens to indigenous in this country iss genocide. it is prprofound. this is his difficult moment in canadian history where we are having the violence experienced here put on par with other genocidal atrocities that we can to think of in the wororld like the holocaust or things that happened in rwanda. i think that is really, really significant. i think -- i i get a sense fromt least the folks i've spoken to in the last day or so that are indigenous that this is a really -- it is about time that thihis

has happened. there is a kind of sigh h of relief. we've a always known this and argue this, but the hurt justrated and emphasized heard it reiterated andd emphasized a and amplifieded bye report is such a remarkable thing. i think in some ways as a survivor carrying that burden and that truth with me, it has been lifted off ofof my shouldes now becacause now there i is an official document that backs it up. i think t this will lead to some significant changes in our communities because it moves this discussion to a whole other level. there is no longer a place or government officials, for example, like former r prime minister's of this country who said this is not high on our radar or does not matter or the acts of single perpetrators and not a systemic problem, and now we have this report that says, no, this is absolutely genocidal , systematic violence perpetrated against indigenous peoples in this c country.

amy: you've talked about your own experience. you refer to it. what is that experience? in the i was a teenager late 1990's, i was sexually exploited through human trafficking. i wawas lured in the early daysf the internet by a man who claimed to want to love me and be my boyfriend, and then very carefully groomed me and then forceded me to sell my body in e streets of vancouver. it is a little ironic i'm having this conversation with you right now from vancouver where my story begins. i was very fortunate, despite being drugged for m most of that time and beieing violentlyly rad and abused, that i was able to escape. i justst felt like i had a s sed chanance. i was going to do everything in my power to make sure this never happened to another woman. juan: i would like to ask chief

commissioner buller, the comments by prime minister trudeau at the press conference, were you able to have an extended conversation with him and your sense of how -- what your expectations are of the canadian government moving forward on the conclusions of your report? all, dr.first of robyn, i send you my love and .upport for your experiences you were a wonderful witness with us. >> thank you. >> i send you my love. no, i did not have a chance to speak to the prime minister. it was a very busy day yesterday. really, it is over to him to make statements to devise policies, to advance the report forward. in many respects, our work is done. it is in the political arena now.

would surly make myself available should be prime minister want to talk to me and/or the other commissioners about our findings of fact. dust gave thet to report to him yesterday, we were in many, many ways handing it over to him. amy: chief commissioner, canan u talk about thehe indigenous schools, the residential schools? >> yes. we had a slightly different system in canada than you have in the united states or had in the united states. in canada, by law, indigenous what we call the includingt of canada parts of our territories, by law had to go to indian schools. they could not go to schools where nonindigenous kids were.

of these residential schools was, amongst other things, to take the indian out of the child. it was to educate them homage to teach them white ways, and to destroy the culture, language, and believes the children brought with them. as a result of that terrible, survivorsegacy, the of the residential school live with a variety of horrible -- ptsd, thers met health issues. this is passed on through generations. did not go, then parents would be jailed. in many cases, children were hidden in the bush, and the forced by their parents so they would not have to go. and many children never came home. amy: your commission has drawn

criticism for staff turnover allegations of lack of transparency and poor follow-up, communication with participating family members and the victims. the panel was not given the authority to have police revisit cold cases. in 2017, family members of victims called the commission to reset but those calls went unanswered? >> of course there's always criticism when you're dealing with such a challenging and meaningful topic. but we moved past that very quickly. and i think it is important to look at our final report and what we were able to do. and i think our final report is brilliant. amy: and/or final demands of the canadian government? i mean, you do have the prime minister accepting this report. what you feel are the most critical recommendations and

demands you have made? don't say recommendations, we say calls for justice. oh, where to s start. they are so interconnected that it is really hard to say which is the most important. but i think for a lot of indigenous women and girls, the most important ones are -- most important calls for justice will be to be able to drink the water taps ines out of the their homes, and have homes properly built for the environment of conditions, to be freeto have a decent life of violence, to be able to have their children -- to raise their children in the ways that they see fit that maybe are not western ways, but they are thatinly indigenous ways have been proven to work for generations.

i think for those women as well, to be able to have access to proper health services, to be able to live in their own communities regardless of who they marry, to raise their children in their own communities. all of the calls of justice regarding those issues i think are going to be the most important to the women who are really suffering right now. amy: we want to thank you both for being with us, marion buller chief commissioner of the , national inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. and robyn bourgeois is a mixed-race cree academic and acactivist, assistant professorn the centre for women's and gender studies at brock university. only come back, we look at the deepening divide within the democratic party of the 2020 election and calls for president trump's impeachment continue. we will speak with ryan grim, author of the book "we've got people: from jesse jackson to alexandria ocasio-cortez, the end of big money and the rise of a movement." stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: "fire" by tanya tagaq. this is democracy now!, i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. juan: we turn now to the deepening divide within the democratic party, an issue that came into sharp relief last weekend in san francisco as 11 presidential candidates in the 2020 race to defeat donald trump joined the california democratic party's annual convention. while many of the democratic candidates participated, former vice president joe biden was conspicuously absent. this is vermont senator bernie sanders.

>> all of us are united in defeating trump, but let me be frank with you and raise the issue that i think is on everyone's mind, and that is what is the best way to defeat trump? as you all know -- as you all know, there is a debate among presidential candidates who have spoken to you here in this room and those who have chosen, for whatever reason, not to be in his room. about the best way forward. so let me be as clear as i can be.

in my view, we will not defeat donald trump unless we bring excitement and energy into the campaign. [cheers] we get millions of working people and young people and a reason to believe that politics is relevant to their lives. we cannot go back to the old ways. we have got to go forward with a new and progresessive agenda. juan: the rift between establishment and more progressive candidates was clear to the more than 5000 delegates in attendance, many who expressed their disapproval for moderate positions. this is former colorado governor john hickenlooper, who was repeatedly booed for defending the private health insurance industry.

trump,e want to beat socialism is not the answer. [boos] like -- eel amy: california senator r kamala harris drerew some of the loudet applause of the gathering when she called for trump's impeachment, another source of division in the party.y. members of the progressive new coalition, including representatives rashida tlaib, ilhan omar, and alexandria ocasio-cortez, have not shied away from policies including medicare for all, a green new deal and impeachment, which house speaker nancy pelosi and other old guarard democrats have been slow to support. we're joined by ryan grim, author of "we've got people: from jesse jackson to alexandria ocasio-cortez, the end of big money and the rise of a movement." his book takes a deep dive intno the lastst 30 years of democratc

politics attracts the people power movement that brought bernie sanders a and aoc to political prominence. welcome back to democracy now! why do we start off by looking at this divide around impeachment and what it tells us about, well, everything that you have looked at, this divide from establishment democratic politics and the new progressive forces that you say go bacack decacades. even have to go that far back in history to see a repeat of this. 2006, the grassroots of the democratic party were forous at president bush the e kind of global criminality from the black sites, the andure, the war in iraq were on an antiwar wave, took house and senate in 2006. the first thing nancy pelolosi d

was said, "we're takaking impeachmenent off ththe table." this time around again, she is been trying to do the exact same thing. curbeels her job is to what she sees as a a destructive impulse of her base. and this is something that, in my reporting, i discovered comes from this odd trauma that so many people in fulull of seeee's generation have w who are at the top rights o of the partrty nowt came from their exexperience in the 1980's. they watched ronald reagan, newt gingrich, and ththe new right kd of wiped the party out. and everything they had known about polilitics, evererything t they have bebelieved in was repudiated a felt in 1980 and again in 1984 and 1988. they came to the conclusion they had to kind of retrench, find solace in corporate america a ad wawall street, raise as much m y asas they could so ththey couldn

a sophisticated way, match republicans dollar for dollar, but not let the country believe liberal.some crazy anytime someone moves to the left of the center, politicians or worry the ghost of reagan will come back and haunt their house. book, and, in your , you go back to the to the presidential runs of jesse jackson in 1984 and 1988 and you spend quite a bit of time talking about how those developed and the impact they had on the democratic party as well. could you talk about why you chose the jackson phenomenon to start a a good portion ofof the early part of your b book witht? wing of theon

jackson phenomenon was thee counterargumentt to the dedemocratic party. elitesdemocratic party response to reagan. in other words, there are two ways you can go about trying to win over white working-class voters, particularly. the one is to build economic interest and put together what jesse jackson called a rainbow coalition and note t the neoliberalism and globalization is wrecking the working-class across the boardrd and only by uniting the working-class and fight baback against that phenomenon. the other is to use corporate fundining to buck u up the partd then rely on racial resentment, rely on racial anxiety, racism with in a field to that element of a a white working-class. so the democratic party the 191980's showows that direction rather than jackson's. focusus on jacksoson because of how clolose he cacamo actualally winningng the nominan

in 1988, which shows this is a moral force that has been n in e party for decades. the difference was jackson did was not a have, a, he sitttting senatotor or did not e some other positition that gave him the credibility at the time. this was pre-trump or people thought you had to be qualified to be president. he did not have the funding base. what is so different nowadays is with the tap of your phone, somebody who is angry or ininspired can backup elizabeth warren o or bernie sanders for president and equalize the playing field. this presidential election is the first time that energy that was around jesse jackson in 1988 has a fighting chance against the center of the party. you saw that on display at the california convention. amy: you have a coalition of progressive groups making a fresh call for nancy pelosi to open impeachment proceedings against president trump.

the leader from groups including reits -- so this is nancy pelosi speaking in san francisco last week. >> nothing is off the table, but we do want to make a compelling case, such an ironclad case that senate, which at the time seems to be not an objective jury, will be convinced of the path that we have to take as a country. amy: said that was nancy pelosi when she spoke at the california democratic party's convention on saturday, met by chants of "impeach." when we come back from break, we want you to talk about the rise of nancy pelosi and then the rise of aoc, alexandria

ocasio-cortez. you're are one of the first to document her run for office before she be joe crowley in the primary. ryan grim's y your book is calad "we've got people." stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: "closing time" by semisonic. this is democracy now!, i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. ,ur guest is ryan grim washington, d.c., bureau chief for the intercept. his new book is out, "we've got people: from jesse jackson to alexandria ocasio-cortez, the end of big money and the rise of a movement." alexandriao to ocasio-cortez as she talks about the importance of impeachment and about nancy pelosi's stance on it. she was speaking on cnn. >> i trust the speaker is taking a measured apppproach to ensure that we are moving everyone forward. hard. beingng a speaker is holding this party together is a difficult task.. but i think we know what we need to do. amy: it is interesting, ryanan grimim, a number of calls for impeachment, out of the ball a

report coming out, come out of those -- mueller report coming out, come out of those richly talking about president trump's collusion, which mueller found there was not collusion. there may be corruption, there may be obstruction of justice, but there was not collusion. yet the very people who are calling for impeachment are those who are concerned about many other issues, concerned about an equity, inequality, concerned about the presidents racism and concerned about a green new deal. can you talk about the rise of alexandria ocasio-cortez and how she's bebecome sucuch a powerhoe in washihington? campaign noted her long after trump's election. she was recruited, so to spepea, by a group of organizers who flflowed out of ththe bernieie s campaign. they first created an organization called a brand-new congress and they split that into two and one of them became justice democrats.

her brorother nominated her as a candidate. they got over -- something like 10,000 applications. they tolold us something like 9% of them roughly were young white men. but they were lookingng foreople who could rurun in districts tht matched both at politics and the demographics of it, and they found that in a number of districts him in particular in new york 14, the bronx and queens, was alexandria ocasio-cortez. the original plan had been to run 435 candidates across the country. that failed spectacularly. 2018, theyly part of decided they were going to abandon that strategy and train all of their fire on new york 14 on ocasio-cortez's race and just take this one moonshot and they she had something special and a candidate, that she had a charisma that we've

since seen on display since then since june 2018 that she upset joe crowley. of -- you also focus in the book on chicago politics, not only rahm emanuel, but also earlier on the harold washington race. one of the hallmarks of the race is that as washington was running for mayor, a significant section of the democratic party broke off and supported his opponent. we saw a similar situation happen with nixon in 1968 when many democrats, because of the civil rights movement of lbj, left the democratic party and voted republican. any concerns on your part as this continuing divide in the democratic party with a section of the democratic already, which i think you're referring to as nancy pelosi's worst nightmare,

might break off and support the right wing of the democratic party come even supporort trump forr presidentnt? >> it is a request in. in the h harold washington case, that is instructive. like you said, he won a an insurgenent primary in 1983 with the support of jesse jackson. and then in the general electition, the entirere democrt machine switched sides. this overwrwhelmingly democratac city won the general election by only f four poinints. was morene showewed it interested in maintaining its own control than it was whahat s up with the democratic party. he sought again -- youou saw it again in 1972. ththere is a famous quote from a top democratic official whoo sad ththe governor is going g to loe because we arere going to make sure he loses. it absolutely is a fear. the irirony is the center has bn keeping the left i in check fora

generation by saying, ok, this is not the candidate you wanted, but if you don't stick with us, you're going to o get thee barbararians whoho are at the gs bustining through anand pillagig ththe village. the shoe could be on the other foot this time if there is a worn or senders nominated anand the question will b be put to te centerleft o on the paparty, itu don't stick wiwith the party, tn ththe barbarians are not t onlyt the gate, the barbarians will win reelection. it is a very live question. a lot of them live in new york and washington, d c, so t there are votes are deluded. they don't live i in keyey stats like wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, north carolina. so it t is blunt at the event, t it absolutely is a real threat that would a sanders or worn be able to unite that element of the party. amy: can you talk about the dccc

barring it from conducting business with a primary opponent of a sitting democrat, that they would not pay -- they would stop paying any cononsulting group tt launched, well, exactly what aoc did, alexandria ocasio-cortez did, from working witith an aocr ayanna pressley? >> right, and d that includes marie newman, who ran against i.n lipinski a he is a member in good standing of the democratic caucus. she e had a fairly eststablishmt level group b backing her in 20. she is running again against him and is finding it much more difficult to find consultants to work for -- and it is easy to

disparage consultants, but you need them to do the basics of campaigning, put together your mailers, do your sec compliance, your basic nuts and bolt of the campaign that you just can't do yourself. herself canceled a fundraiser for dan lipipinski, but yet s still maintntaining this policy which could end up backfiring in the not very long term as it will create a kind of new industry of consultltants wo are no l longer bound to the dcc becaususe they know they cannot give this is for them anyway so they will cocome out and find de innovative ways to run campaigns. it in the short-term, it is making a very difficult for challengers to incumbents, which only protects thee current h hoe democrcratic cauaucus, which wan its way to being increasingly diversified and this kind of put a stop to that movement. amy: ryan grim, thank you so much for being with us, washington, d.c., bureau chief at the intercept and author of the new book "we've got people:

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