06/12/19 06/12/19 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from new york, this is democracy w!w! >> the judge who put lula in pronon and0 21 a a polls show h he wod lilike win the pridenencyhich allowedlson arto win --bsonanaro to win and made him the justice minister. amy: a political crisis is growing in brazil after the intercept revealed the judge who

helped jail former brazilian president luiz inacio lula da silva likely aided federal prosecutors in their corruption case. leaked documents obtained by the reveal prosecutors had serious doubts about lula's guilt. and the appellate court until ae world and to show brazil single piece of evidence of a --me committed by me behavior of the judiciary in this instance is a political form of behavior. amy: we will go to rio de janeiro to speak with the pulitzer prize winning journalist glenn greenwald of the intercept, who broke the story. then we look at horrific conditioions for immigrants held in for-profit detention jails around the country. >> it was sad.

it was sad for me, for all of us will stop we cried and werythihing will stop suffered. in a way of suffering, suffering for everything, we soccer a lot. i'm strong but i feel like crying for everything today. amy: at least 24 immigrants have died in the custody of immigration and customs enforcement under trump. now homeland security's own inspector general has revealed how detained immigrants are subjected to rottenen food, seve overcrowding, inadequate medical care, and broken an overflowing toilets. we will get the latest from aura .ogado, immigration reporter all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in hong kong, protesters and police have been clashing in the second mass demonstration in recent days against the proposed bill to allow extradition of

hong kong residents to mainland china. riot police deployed tear gas, rubber bullets, and pepper spray against demonstrators in front of government buildings. earlier in the day, lawmakers announced they will postpone today's debate on the contested legislation. critics of the bill say it would infringe on hong kong's independence and the legal and humaman rights of hong kong residents. in arizona, a case against a humanitarian aid volunteer who provided food, water, and shelter to undocumented migrants ended in a mistrial tuesday after a deadlocked jury was unable to deliver a verdict. scott warren from the groups no more deaths and ajo samaritans faced up to 20 years in prison after being charged with two counts of felony harboring and one count of felony conspiracy. eight jurors found scott warren not guilty, four said he was guilty. prosecutors have declined to comment on whether they would seek a retrial against warren.

this is scott warren speaking to supporters andhe press after yesterday's ststrial >> since my arrest in jajanuary 2018, at least 88 bods were recovered from t ajo cridor of theririzona desert. we know the minimum number -- that is the ninimum numr and many more have been out thee d hahaveot beeeefound. plan in thent's midsofof thiunititarn crisis -- humanitarn n cris, popolies and thet refugees families. prosecutio t to crinaliziz huhunitarian aid, kindness, and solidari. and n where i live, the a anation they wi build enormous and expensive wall across a vast stretch of southwestetern arizona's unbrokn sonoran desert. amy: house lawmakers voted to authorize the judiciary committee to sue the trump

administration in federal court to enforce subpoenas for former white house counsel don mcgahn and attorney general william barr. lawmakers are seeking documents and testimony from mcgahn related to the mueller inquiry and possible obstruction of justice by the president. the committee will hold off for now on enforcing barr's subpoena after the justice department agreed monday to hand over some of the underlying evidence from the mueller report. meanwhile, the justice dedepartment revealed they will show trump used executive privilege to block citations against barr and wilbur ross over the refusal to hand over documents related to adding the citizenship question to the 2020 senses. the house oversight committee is voting on the contempt fo procedure today. meanwhile, donald trump, jr. is set to testify in a closed door hearing before the senate intelligence committee today. the republican-led panel subpoenaed him last month after he twice refused to testify about his role in matters related to the russia investigation, including the 2016 trump tower meeting and the

trump tower moscow project. in moscow, local reports say russian police have detained nearly 100 people, including opposition politician alexei navalny, at a protest condemning police corruption over the recent arrest of independent journalist ivan golunov. golunov was released tuesday following widespread public outcry. golunov, who reported on corruption and press censorship, was arrested last week and accused of drug dealing in what his lawyers and press freedom advocates say were fabricated charges after police planted fake evidence. he has since been cleared of the charges and the arresting officers in the case have been suspended pending the results of an internal inquiry. golunov's reporting included an investigation into the finances of moscow's deputy mayor's family, the funding of public works in moscow, and efforts to suppress press freedom. russian press also rallied around golunov, with three major business newspapers publishing matching front pages monday to

call out his arrest. russia ranks number 149 in reporters without borders 2019 world press freedom index, which describes russia as having a "stifling atmosphere for independent journalists." in saudi arabia, a houthi missile raid on an airport in the southwest of the country has wounded at least 26 civilians, according to a statement by the saudi-led coalition. a number of children were reportedly among the injured civilians who were taken to a nearby hospital. the attack comes a day after saudi officials said it intercepted two houthi drones in the south of saudidi arabia. no damage or casualties were reported from that attack. has leding war in yemen to the world's worst humanitarian disaster. the united nations estimates the combined d death toll from fighting, hunger, and disease has reached nearly 250,000 since the start of the conflict. in sudan, protest leaders and

the ruling transitional military council have agreed to resume talks following a bloody military crackdown on non-violent demonstrators. protest leaders say an ongoing civil disobedience action will be halted for now. the news was delivered by ethiopian mediators in sudan. a group of doctors involved in the protest movement say at least 118 people have been killed since the crackdown at the prototest site last monday. doctors also say at -- doctors also say paramilitaries with the rapid support forces committed at least 70 rapes since the raid. sudadan's military took power in april afafr a month-lolong popur uprising led to the overthrow of longtime authoritarian president omar al-bashir. in botswana,gbgbtq a humuman rights advates celrarated tutuesy as t t country ovturned long-stanngng law that criminazezed sa-sexex relaons. the e histor ruling meme aft a 21-year-olststudenbrouougha case again t the coniaial-er

law. undewhwhich anyone found guilty ofommimittg homomoxual actct coululface up to seven years bebehindars.s. a statemt t by t advocac group lesbians, ga & bisexlsls of botswana said -- "not only does it provide legal affirmation and recognition of the rights of lgbtiq persons, but it allows an important space for addressing public health issues more efficiently. we can finally start building a more tolerant society." back in the u.s., acting homeland security secretary kevin mcaleenan told congress tuesday that 60,000 children have been taken into dhs custody in the last 40 days alone. critics say mcaleenan's testimony is part of an ongoing effort to build up a case for more border funding. his hearing came ahead of a planned vote by the senate appropriations committee next week on president trump's request for $4.5 billion in

emergency spending tied to the u.s.-mexico border. meanwhile, immigration and human rights advocates are continuing to raise alarm over the dire conditions in which migrgrant children are being locked up. we will have more on that report later in the show. meanwhile, immigration hardliner ken cuccinelli has assumed the role of acting head of citizenship and immigration services. several l top republicans have come out against cuccinelli's temporary appointment, and senate whip john thune warned the republican controlled senate was unlikely to approve a potential nomination for cuccinelli to become permanent head of the agency. as a state lawmaker in virginia, cuccinelli authored legislation seeking to force employees to speak english in the workplace, and he unsuccessfully fought to eliminate the 14th amendment's birthright citizenship clause. at an emotional congressional hearing tuesday, jon stewart

blasted lawmakers for their inaction ahead of a vote on renewing healthcare funding for 9/11 responders who became sick as a result of their work following the terror attack. the comedian and former host of "the daily show" has been a long-time advocate for the 9/11 responders and has repeatedly called out proposed cuts to the fund, which is set to expire in 2020. new york democratic congressmember carolyn maloney introduced legislation earlier this year to fund the program permanently. this is jon stewart addressing a sub-committee if the house judiciary panel. room ofd me, a filled 9/11 first respoponders. and in front of me, a nearly empty congress. dying, they brought themselves down here to speak to no one.

shameful. it is an embarrassment to the country anand it is a stain on this institutution will stop and you should be ashamed of yourselves for those that aren't here, but you won't be because accountability doesn't appear to be something that occccurs in ts chamber. amy: in alabama, republican gogovernor kay ivey y signed ino law a bill mandating child sex offenders to undergo chemical castration as a condition of their parole. the law would apply to anyone found convicted of committing a sexual offense with a child under the age of 13. six other states have similar laws for certain sex offenders. medical experts and human rights groups have raised concerns about the practice. the alabama american civil liberties union says that chemical castration is unconstitutional as it violates due process and privacy laws. the executive director of the alabama aclu said of the new law -- "they really misunderstand what

sexual assault is about. sexual assault isn't about sexual gratification. it's about power. it's about control." in reproductive rights news, vermont governor phil l scott signgned a bill monday affirming abortion as a fundamental right and the law would prohibit the government from interfering with the decision to get abortions and protecting access to contraception, sterilization and family planning. a spokesperson for governor scott previously said he would not sign the bill passed by democratic state lawmakers last month. though, vermont law would still have allowed the legislation to go into effect. meanwhile, in maine, democratic governor janet mills signed a bill allowing physician asassistants and some registered nurses to perfrform abortions, instead of just doctors, which she says will increase abortion access for mainers in rural areas. and in new york, housing rights advocates are celebrating after state lawmakers announced an agreement that would provide the strongest tenant protections and

over 25 years. the deal came just days ahead of the expiration of the current rent laws at the end of this week. lawmakers agreed to abolish laws allowing landlords to do you regulate rents on apartmtment after they exceed a certrtain limit. the law is expected to give municipalities around new york more authority to regulate rent and ensure greater access to affordable housing. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. juan: and i'm juan gonzalez. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. amy: before we move on with our first story, albany reaching deals to top and rent protection. is a huge victory. it was in the mid-1990's when george pataki, the republican governor of new york, was in office and there was an extreme conservative republican senate

and an assembly in new york that was democratic but really controlled by the landlord lobby. control that -- d controlled means the landlords can charge whatevever they want. what happened finally, this year, just in albany, this extension, sweeping extension of the ranch regulations that will now eliminate vacancy decontrol and prevent landlords -- it used to be in apartment when it became vacant, the landlord could automatically increase the rent by 20%. that is still longer going to be allowed. and they cannot jack up major capital improvement prices and then charge the tenants for those improvements. so a lot of that has been eliminated. most important, rent regulations were only in new york city and

yonkers, few suburban cities. not any citity and county in the state will be able to adopt rent regulations. this means millions of people in new york state will now have greater protections from their rent rising above their ability to be able to paperless u up am: what do you think this will mean for the country for places like san francisco? juan: it is already happening in newark and several other places in california, increasingly rent because housing for renters has become so exorbitant, more and more local governments are saying we've got to regulate rent. so this is just a another huge push in the movement to protect tenants across the country. a maker we will continue to follow this. juan: a political crisis is growing in brazil after the intercept revealed that the judge who helped jail former brazilian president luiz inacio lula da silva likely aided federal prosecutors in their corruption case in an attempt to prevent lula's workers party from winning the presidency.

leaked cell phone messages among brazilian law enforcement officials and other data obtained by the intercept point to an ongoing collaboration between judge sergio moro and the prosecutors investigating a sweeping corruption scandal known around the world as operation car wash. lula was considered a favorite in the lead-up to the 2018 presidential election until he was put in jail and forced out of the race on what many say were trumped-up corruption charges. the leakaked documents also revl prosecutors had serious doubts about lula's guilt. the jailing of lula helped pave the way for the e election of fe far-right former military office jair bolsonaro, who then named judge sergio moro to be his justice minister. amy: the intercept's reporting is based on a trove of internal fifiles and private conversatios from the prosecutorial team behind operation car wash. the intercept has dubbed the files the secret brazil archive.

as a result of the intercept's reporting, brazil's supreme court has announced it will recoconsider an appeal by lula o be released from prison. calls are also growing for sergio moro to resign as justice minister. the brazilian bar association has called for moro to be suspenended and for all prosecutors involved in the car wash scandal probe be disbanded. moro has denied any wrongdoing and clclaims the mesessages have been t taken out of contntext. moro wrote in a statement -- "i lament the lack of indication of the source of the person responsible for the criminal invasion of the prosecutors' cell phones. as well as the position of the site that did not contact me before the publication, contrary to basic rule of journalism. as for the content of the messages they mention, there is no sign of any abnormality or providing directions as a magistrate, despite being taken out of context and the sensationalismsm of the article" vermont senator and 2020 presidential candidate bernie sanders told the intercept --

"today, it is clearer than ever that lula da silva was imprisoned in a politicized prosecution that denied him a fair trial and due process. during his presidency, lula oversaw huge reductions in poverty and remains brazil's most popular politician. i stand with political and social leaders across the globe who are calling on brazil's judiciary to release lula and annul his conviction." we go now to rio de janeiro to speak with the pulitzer prize winning journalist glenn greenwald of the intercept. layout what you exposed in this three-part series. it looks like glenn is having a little trouble hearing us. we will go to break and come back to glenn greenwald. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. our guest is glenn greenwald, pulitzer prize-winning journalist, founding editors of the intercept, just published the secret brazil archive, three-part expose revealing that the judge overseeing the case that put former brazilian president luiz inacio lula da silva behind bars likely aided federal prosecutors in their case against lula and other high-profile figures. lay out you found in this three-part report and how it is rocking brazil right now. >> sure. as your r audience likely knows because i have discussed it with you many times and you have

covered it with other guest's, brazil is a country that has been swamped by multiple political crises, the impeachment of former workers party president dilma rousseff who succeeded lula, the ascension of this far right president jerry or bolsonaro, economic crises and the like. but by far the biggest event in brazil was the imprisonment last year a former president lula da silva, not just because e he was such a giant on the world stage democratically, which he is because he was elected overwhelmingly twice in 2002 and 2006, and his presidency was so successful in lifting millions of people out of poverty, and transforming brazil that he left brazil and left office and an 87% approval rating. to put somebody like that in prison is an earth shattering story in an of itself, but it was made all the more consequential by the fact all polls showed lula, who is running again for president last

the overwhelming favorite, was the massive front runner, was ahead by 20 point to 30 points, including gerbils and narrow. to imprison lula met he was rendereded in eligible under t e law to run and ththat is what ge ththe way ultimately for bolsono 's ascension to control over brazil, which is the fifth most populous country in the world. this was done by task force prosecutors and a judge, sergio moro, who basically have been turned into superheroes come the brazilianby press and by the world press. sergio moro was heralded around the world as some great figure, name to the time 100 list in

2016 and want to the gala new york, had a huge profile on him on "60 minutes" that was a puff piece, basically turning them into this noble anticorruptition figure. there is been almost no questioning of anything they have done, even though there been using the highly questionable practices. in brazil, there is been a long time suspicion that they in fact were abusing their powers for political ends. that they were really right wing ideologues, operatives, abusing the law to destroy the w workers party, one of the only left-wing parties and the entirere democratic world that has dominated politics in the major country and has succeeded anti-party programs in order to usher in the program faction into power. that they were abusing a lot to basically put the leaders in prison to destroy the party. they have always denied this. they said we have no ideology, no party prereference, we don't

care who wins elections, we're only neutral judges and prosecutors s applyiying the la. the archive that was provided to us by our source, this massive trove of secret documents about their internal communications, their internal a actions, thther chatats, their audios, videos -- they archive is bigger in snow lies than the snowdon -- the archive is bigger in size and papers.don it allows us to see the truth about what they didid and that three storories that we publishn sundnday, the reason they've shaken brazil to the core is because sergio moro after thanks to lula being put in prison, became the second most powerful person in brazil because bolsonaro creatad what he called a a super justice ministry that sergio moro now

runs. he is the e justice minister of the country. he is like being the attorney general but t on steroids. controlling all l law enforceme, surveillance, police actions. what this material shows are three key things. number one, it shows inside the prprosecutor task force, they we talking openly aboutut how they wawanted himim to make sure e te workrkers paparty lost t the el. we could talk about the specifics but in particular, there was the judge who authorized lula to give an interview from prison 12 days and theye election said we need to stop this because if lula is allowed to be heard from, there's a good thece he will make pt win election and we need to put a stop to this. they said they were praying every day that pt does not returnrn to power. the pt been the workers party. line, theybsolute

were talking openly and explicititly about how the topo0 was making sure pt did not win the election, exactly what people have been accusing them of. secondly, just like in the u.s., a judge is required t to be neutraral. a judge cannot favor once i or the other. there has long been a suspicion that judge moro when he was ruling on these cases like finding lula guilty, finding other left-wing leaders guilty and people from other parties guilty, that he was in fact collaborating in secret with the prosecutors to design the case. they vehemently deny this accusation. the head of the prosecutorial task force, a national hero in brazil, wrote a book in which he said these accusations are outrageous, disgusting. we have video of judge moro d about this and it was so angry that he scoffed at it with a smile saying people talk about this as though it is judge moro's prosecution or

strategy. he said people don't understand judges in brazil have no role in prosecuting people. our value is one of passivity. we simply listen to both sides, listen to the evidence, and make decisions. the conversations that we published showed between judge moro and head of the prosecutorial task force is judge moro was constantly directed, constructing, designing the entire prosecution, screaming at them when they were doing things that he thought were wrong, telling them how to better fortify the case -- not just against lula, but other people as well. he was basically the commander of the prosecutorial t team and then walking into court as though he were sitting judging lula's case and others as a neutral arbiter. everything they vehemently denied to the public they were doing, in fact they were doing for years as these documents

show. , ashe third key revelation you said, is the specificic case for which the prosecutor lula, namely the charge he had received what they call a triplex apartment in order to make it sound very glamorous when in fact it is kind of run down and shoddy and lula has the capability to buy it at 100,000 times over if you want to, but the charge was he received his apartment and renovations to it in exchange for helping this construction companyny get contracts, that they knew themselves three days before they indicted him that they did not have the evidence sufficient to show his guilt were even to justify -- or even to justify why this case belongs with them. but they just decided they were going to go forward anyway because they knew they had a judge in judge moro, now minister moro, singly divided to the goal of imprisoning lula and doing so in time to make him ineligible to run for 2018 selection out of fear that pt

would win the election. so the consequences of this revelation have been enormouous because momoro is the second mot powerful person in the country second two aura bogado, but was the most -- second to bolsonaro supporters have saidid there is no way to defend his conduct. one of the biggest right-wing newspapers in brazil that has been four years praising and heralding an cheerleading g for sergio moro came out and said, he needs to resign. and ahead of the task force needs to be fired. just based on the first three stories that we published. and that is reflective of widespread sentiment. that is why it is shaking brazil to the core because sergio moro is crucial to the legitimacy of the aura bogad bolsonaro govern.

juan: obviously, of these are explosive conclusions that you that youred reporting. could you talk a little bit about the archive sources you have? i could understand the cell phone text that's a between different parties involved in this being leaked, but you're talking about audio. how is it audio? were these people taping their own conversations? could you discuss the nature off the documents that you have? >> sure. when i say audio, generally what i mean is -- and we have not published in of the audio yet so i'm reluctant to say much about them -- but when i say audio, typically what i mean is not that they were taping their own conversations, but they ofoften communicated with onone another using apps on telephones that enable you to either type out

messages to people, text messages to people, or you c can fore voicemail messages people essentially. instead of typing some long message, you just click microphone on your phone, speak as a monologue, and leave a message that way on somebody else's phone, which is a common thing to do for people who use whatsapp or telegram or signal. those are the kinds of audio i'm talking about. because oftentimes, especially for complicated matters, you don't want to type huge paragraphs, you just want to speak, much of the can make asians come although it is realally not t technically tapeu end up getting a huge part of the conversation because they are speaking to one another in 1, 2, 3 minute monologue back and forth to one another. amy: i want to turn to a video you tweeted monday of sergio moro speaking and 2016. he was a federal judge at the time.

let's make something very clear. you hear a lot about judge moro's investigative strategy. i often say the public prosecutor's office, the federal police, and the subsidiary body are the ones responsible for that. i don't have any investigative strategy at all. or people who investigate decide what to do it such is the public prosecutor in the federal police. ththe jududges are reactive. we say a judge sued us is somemewhat unfounded criticism of my work saying i'm a judge invesestigator. i say go ahead and identify this. a decision where i determined the production of legal proof without provocation. at most i put together some documents for the eventual testimony of a witness. in this large haul of criminal cases, that is practically nothing.

amy: and i want to turn to former president lula appearing on democracy now! in march 2018 just before he was jailed. if my innocence is proven, then judge moro should be removed from his position because you can have a judge line in the judgment pronouncing guiltyty someone he knows is innocent. he knows it is not my apartment. he knows i did not buy it. he knows that i did not pay anything. he knows i never went there. he knows i don't have money -- the thing is because he subordinated himself to the media, i said in the first , you are not in a position to equip me because of -- a quick me because allies

have gone too far. is just the one who tells the first like continues lying and lying and lying to justify the first live. i'm going to prove that he is in line. amy: that is now jailed former president lula da silva. the brazilian bar associatioion to becalled for moro suspended and all prosecutors involved in the scandal to be disbanded, yet as you have pointed out, bolsonaro made him a kind of super justice minister, bringing together the functions of law-enforcement, surveillance, and investigation which were distributed to several ministries all under moro's super justice minister position, making him him as she pointed out, the second most powerful person in brazil now. so what hapappens? is so fascinating because the story reminds me of the snowdon story in so many ways. theway, rememember come

snowdon story essentially began when snowdon heard james clapper go before the senate and look at them and lied to their faces when he was asked, are you collecting data about millions of americans? he said, no, sir, we have no such program. it was shocking to snowdwden to watch somebody in that high of a position lie and that is something that finally drove snowdon to decide with finality, i need to show the truth. that is the same reaction i have when i listen to judge moro look in the cameras and say, "i gett irritated at the notion that i have any involvement in n a prosecution whenen i have e nowd all of the year's woworth of documents and conversations that a lot of which we published and will continue to publish, showing that he did exactly what you look to the camera with a smirk and just so smugly denied. it is amazing, even though i guess it shouldn't be, the

willingness of people in his highest positition of authorityo sociopathic we lie about what it is they do. the second issue is, just like in the snowdon story were people for years suspected the nsa was spying but were called paranoid people a and in the evidence proved t them right -- a lot of people in brazil have long said what lula said, namely that moro got into a position where he was forced to convict lula, where he was single minorly obsessed the brazilian elites were demanding that of him, therefore he was willing to do anything including breaking laws and order to make that happen. they were called conspiracy l left-wingranoid, liars and ideologues who were only saying that to protect their leader. as it turns out, what lula said in the interview is right. and of course the conviction that sergio momoro i issued, notwitithstanding the fact it ws

very quickly, very strangely quickly affirmed by an appellate court in time to make him an eligible run, is now called into doubt because we know because we've seen the evidence a process that led to his conviction was deeply and inherently corrupted in the most basic way because the person w o founund him guiltlty was doing exactly that which judges are prohibited from doing. the supreme court will decide whether that conviction can be maintained in light of what we have shown. juan: i want to ask you in a broader sense, this whole issue of corruption in government, prosecutors removing or being able to jail or remove elected officials or key political leaders, clearly, in a democracy, in an industrial -- western democracy, there are two ways to remove them. you vote them out of office or you get them indicted and jailed and removed that way. to what extent is this a signal

to people around the world and other countries about the kind of skepticism that you should have about investigations coming at the top leaders? of course, i'm sure there are people, trump supporters in this country who would point to the fbi agent peter strozk and lisa page of the fbi council as they were attempting to help remove trump from office. but to what degree is this a warning for people in other countries to be wary and skeptical, even in the face of what seems initially to be dam ningng evidence against a political leader? >> look, as you know, as you guys know, i've been one of the people, along with noam chomsky and met to you be in a few -- matt taibi and a few others on the left who have been skeptical of the russia gate story in part

because we know these agencies have a long history of lying. and the fbi and the cia and the were vehemently opposed to donald trump and wanted hillary clinton because they trusted her much more. so there was a concern always on my part they were abusing the prosecutorial powers to interfere in the domestic election in the u.s. in order to help the candidate they wanted to win and hurt the candidate that they wanted to lose. there were other factions in the fbi, by the way, who want to donald trump to win desperately and did their own abuse of power to hurt hillary clinton's chances and help donald trump when. so there were two different factions inside these law-enforcrcement agencies interfering in the u.s. election by abusing their power to help the two candidates they prefer, which -- that was the real that was dangerous in the 2016 election.

the parallel is clear which in brazilil since 2002, the center-right, the oligarchical clclass, which got come to with little amputee, but nonetheless wanted the center-right to be in power. you're not a socialist, you're not castro, you're not chavez. the market in brazil, the rich lularazil prospered under and he said it was cultural. they hated the fact that someone who came from poverty was in the presidency who does not speak perfect portuguese, did not read until he was 10, they hated seeing in efforts people who used to be invisible to build a fly, to buy apartments. they hated it culturally. they felt their brazil was being taken away from them. so they could nonot beat lula, could not be the w workers party democratically, so they abused

the force of law and order to destroy the party they could not beat politically. this is a serious warning and a serious danger about why any time people in power exercise power in secret, we need to be skeptical of them. all human beings. i believe these prosecutors began with good intentions post up brazil really is a country that has been plagued by corruption on the left and right for lolong timime. there are young people in their 30's -- i believe they begin with good intentions. but they became so drunk on their own popower, nobody wass questioningg them, the large media in brazil with the exception of one newspaper, stopped questioning what they were doing, just applauded for them, servrved as their tool. when you have that kind of faith being put into you, the , that kind ofower power corrupts people and they got corrupted. they became poliliticized and

drunk on their own believe in their own goodness that they thought they were above the law and could break the rules because their ends justify the means. it is important lesson to learn about power in general. amy: they ousted, impeached dilma rousseff before they imprisoned lula. finally, very quickly, you have this three-part series. it is rocking brazil right now, calls for moro to go down, calls for lula to be released. what do you think is the chance of this? and finally, you are saying this the snowdon cache of information. yet muchch more informatation tt you have not released. what are you doing with it? working feverishly to publish it as quickly as we can. is a lot of desire to see more of it, but we have a responsibility, just like with the snowdon case, to make sure what we're publishing is done well and professssionally and

accucurately. if we make a single mistake, they will use that forever to discredit a reporting. when you a ask what is going to lula, a lotmoro and of it depends onon how good of e reporting we do and how much more we show -- which we have a lot more to show. i believe even with just what we have shown, i am not saying sergio moro is about to be put out of office because he still has the support of bolsonaro and crucial to the government, but certainly he is severely damaged and we can all be more damaged and weakened as we reveal more. i'm not sure he can survive that. i think there is a good chance the supreme court will say the conviction of lula da silva was a byproduct of so much imprpropriety that we cannot let it stand, that at the very least he needs a new trialal and be lt out of prison while this new trial proceeds. amy: glenn greenwald, thank you for being with us pulitzer , prize-winning journalist and

one of the founding editors of the intercept, which has just published the "secret brazil archive." when we come back, we look at the horrific conditions for immigrants and for profit detention jails around the u.s. with aura bogado. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. juan: we end today's show looking at horrific conditions 52,000 immigrants held in for-profit jails across the country. at least 24 immigrants have died in the custody of immigration and customs enforcement under the trump administration. at least four more died shortly after being released. now homeland security's

inspector general has revealed how detained immigrants are subjected to rotten food, severe overcrowding inadequate medical , care, and broken and overflowing toilets. in two facilities in particular, adelanto ice processing center in california and essex county correctional facility in new jersey, ththe inspectors found "immediate risks or egregious violations of detention standards, including nooses in detainee cells." amy: the inspectors showed up at these four detention jails unannounced between may and november 2018 in response to several concerns raised by immigration rights groups and complaints made by prisoners. the lasalle ice processing center in louisiana and aurora ice processing center in colorado were also inspected. three of the facilities are operated by the private prison company geo group. this comes as a separate inspector general report recently documented dangers overcrowding at a border patrol processing facility in el paso, texas.

the trump administration has announced a plan it will hold 1400 immigrant children at a site in oklahoma that was once used as an internment camp for japanese americans during world war ii. the agency is already holding a record number of children in programsfacilities and in 23 states. for more, we go to houston, texas, where we're joined by aura bogado, immigration reporter for reveal from the center for investigative reporting. she has been speaking with migrants held a number of these jails. welcome back to democracy now! there was not a lot of mainstream mediaoreneral report. again, the inspector general for the department of homeland security. talk about what it revealed. >> good morning, amy, it is great to be back. the inspector general's report indicates what immigrants have said for years about conditions

in various detention facilities. as y you mentioned, the e insper general's report did surprise visit to four sites. three of them are run by the private prison company geo and the other one is local to essex county, new jersey. it is hard to know where to begin, but some of what stands photos, for example, from the bathroom facilities where there is unusable toilets, mildew, and mold on the showers. the inspector general said this poses health risks to the people, to the detainees who are being held there. little to no access to recreation. horrible food conditions. moldy bread, raw and leaking chicken blood of, unlabeled food. things we heard about for years. as you mentioned, this is dhs

inspector general a and they fod there were multiple violations of ice's of detention standards. ice concurred with the one recommendation, which was to have increaseded oversight. in some cases, they try to make fifixes right away, , such as replacing the kitchen manager at one of the facilities during the inspections. but with some other recommendations, they sort of indicated they w would think abt it. for example, the aurora facility forolorado has a space incontact visits, which we know improves the morale of people being held in any kind of detention or prison environment. although it has the facilities that does not allow contact generalthe inspector report cited that, ice's responses, "we will think about

it, but the standard is not have contact visits." it is an interesting way to his third that issue, which was addressed in the report. juan: could you talk some about the geo group for those of viewers and listeners who may not be familiar with it? >> sure. the geo group is a private prison contractor. for ice, it runs several detention facilities around the country. it does what it sounds like. it holds people for civil immigrgration custody -- somethg i think people don't always understand is thatt people who are in immigration and ice custody, they are in civil custody, not criminal custody. it does that have anything to do with the criminality of people going through some kind of immigration process, one of the many processes that exist in the u.s. fewcontracts with a

contractors, but particularly with geo. holdsre a large firm that a lot of people around the country for this agency. amy: can you talk about the significance of this report and specifically, also, the number of migrants who have died during the trump administration? children, a record number -- i think the number was six back to last year. there had not been a child death in immigration detention in 10 years. and now you have this latest numbeber,what w was the 24 migrants -- adults -- who died in detention with another four dying right after their

release. >> something to keep in mind is there are various agencies that hold immigrants,s, a solemn asylum-seekers. we of been talking about ice detention. customs and border patrol also holds people a border patrol stations, which are all -- often referred to as ice boxes. they described them as being incredibly cold. i spent time with a couple of girls who i first reported on back in 2013. they described in great detail, especially one of them, what the icebox was like. here we are years later, they have green cards now, they're looking forward to becoming citizens. when we went back to talk about the conditions in these border patrol stations, it was like it

could have happened d yesterday. they just described how freezing they were, how the one little piece of mylar did not feel like enough for other of them and the older sister felt so bad for the younger one, she took it and try to create a second layer for her sister. getting hered of name called because they said they were told if they did not hear their name, they would they in there forever. this is stuff we've heard about for a long time. leavempanied minors who the border virtutual statationse thenen taken to shelters -- orbital stations these are contrtrary to facilitieses throughout the country. that is not dhs but the department of human and health services. some of what we found was tremendous abuse, both accusations and proven in someons, as well as

thehese places, there is -- use of restraints, forced drugging. patrick michaels and i we have been investigating secret shelters in which the office of , withoutesettlement judicial oversight, since children to psychiatric facilities or residential treatment cecenters and their st of off the map of the shelters that we do know about. they are not contracted facilities. yes, people die. there are really horrible conditions and as you mentioned, there have been two dozen deaths during the trurump administratin that accounts for the 200 or so deaths since we've been keeping .rack, sinince 2003 i believe and then there have been four deaths immediately after custody. so those are tricky to track. we think it is four people who

died immediately after being released. they may have been in custody when there were taken to a hospital and then paroled from essentiaially taken out of custy immediately thereafter. but these are e pretty high numbers. they come from places in which people have been detailing the horrid conditions for quite a long time. juan: the inspector general's report, from your own reporting, do you get the sense they're actually talking to the detainees or are they basically inspecting the delivery of basic services in dealing with the personnel in these facilities? >> there is mention in the report where they cite detainees said such and such things.s. detainees noted not having visits was

difficult, for example. the actual perspective is not included. there are no quotes from the detainees themselves in the report. it is interesting, and i think it validates what people have been saying for a long time, but again, for immigration reporter's whose sources are the people who experience these policies, this is not necessarily anything new. i think the photos do illllustre exactly what has been described to me and many other reporters for quite a long time. amy: and now the inspector general report author john kelly, and other general john kelly who is gone on to the board of another for-profit detentionn facacility, iss resig after this report has come out. the trump administration saying it is going to suspend legal aid programs, recreational activities, even english classss -- all education for unaccompanied migrant children jailed in federally run immigration centers post of the

move drawing condemnation from groups like amnesty international which wrote -- those are the words of amnesty international usa. and yet you have president trump taking $8 million to buiuild a wall and s saying he does not he money for kids having classes. >> yeah. again, my reporting partner patrick michaels actually broke that story on twitter recently. it was surprising to see that memo, that email, which internally stated we're not providing english classes right now, we are not providing

soccer, recreational services. as you note, there is quite an hour and he and saying there isn't funding available for -- thing really basic amy:

♪ hello. glad to have you with us on nhk "newsline." it's 9:00 a.m. on thursday in tokyo. i'm miki yamamoto. we begin in tehran where japan's prime minister has brought with him a warning of unintended clashes as he visits iran in the midst of a growing confrontation with the united states. >> translator: an armed conflict needs to be prevented at all costs. peace and stability in the middle east arere essential for the prosperity