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the founding director the racist research pocy centert american univeit his nebook ioutoday, "ho ntact." its his followp tostamped from the begning: the finitivery of racist ideain ameri," which w w the 2016atnal book ardor nonficti. kendi wajust 34 yeard at the ti. the youngest winner of the tion boowa for nonficti. his te pie for the atntic iline " "a nch mob ofne." ibrax. ken, welcome to decracy now! coratulations on t release ofoubook and happy bthday. >> thank. happienote, which is what took place in epa, what is nsidered o of largest cotry i histos inhis

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en t epaso soter, at the his n raciesto, enie n you imagine writ nifesto,emonizg linx peopler and over again tellin t nation that they werenvading d youreprotecting tn saying athe end,ell, th're juoing to calle racist en though i lly not. at heart.f is in ctras an antiraci is seeking to knknowdge an admit, w wchs ceaiy soing ump is neverone. amy: we're going to go t break witop when wmeack, we' going ttalk about the fferetween aon-ract and aancist, and that ally funment to your new "how to beay an antiracis" ram x. kendi, unded reor

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ju: we' continuing our scusram kdi. yo rean to tucr carlson? >> these some the same typeofple that say the locaust s a ax, this ci is a hoaxy that ckery wasoo f pele. thiss the idlogy becse when they n't deny the obvus evevence that ows domestic white srecist terrosms on rise, that it is the prcie form of dostic terror that isffecting amican livesthey just dy its iseompletely. atcertaiy wh he is ing. bks yin yo previs lo at the story o racist ideas the united ates. one of t isss thatou fod was the develop intelligencets in the historof intelligenc testsn terms of beingacy motited from the ve n the.and so manyoungeople

afrieric andino commoditieareically opprd d cssifd and st aside as a re of their perfornce vario lligence tts crely in most inteigence tes, latinos d blk peopleeceive lower the ques is, what is the proble there a problem with the test takers or the tes? made the case that blacpeople d latino peop are n achieving intlectually much other ppl as mu as white peop. i woul arg, no, the problem is not wthe test takers, it is wh e tests themsve the werereat -- when you at thperson who cated the sat teshen you look a thpeonirstized the test, ithe u.s., these re genes.

y: gintohat mo ful this is aounding histor yowritabout. >> t mho wrote centu ago is boo cled inch he ught toromo t ts w test that head broug or from europe, ithatook he talked about thesetsill prove tt black people are inllecally inferr. hee hyth forwarin aook that proted thorinal iq test century ago. estaishe theat test aially cadeater inhe 1920' was genicist from princeton they created these tests not just to prohainos and black pelee inferior t e people, but soo prove en were genetically intellectualerioto m, thr people wer genetiy inteectually and rrieto why ppland utrns --'m in, eryon,

noanglglo-sans were intelltually inferioto anglo-xons. these tests bece e evence they he been lki for prove that peoe of color and poor peopl and wener intetual inferior. amy: so ein wt the college ard has recentlynnounc, at they are adding i enronml context dashboa r alstentsaking the sat's. wh ds th mean? >> 'm try fe that o one thing i think ma col board- me of e stitions that haveee unr firy noonly antiracist, but even parents who don'tt thchil being these hig testi environments. i thinth're figurinout new wa t eentially maintain the exisistee ofhese.

certaiy,his is aay t resptose who a fundamentallyointinto t envinmas the problnd not neceily the test ting. attemp to eliminate th standardiz tts becau the number of afriamericans and latinos adtted into the high spiazed highool has be opping them incre-- but he is met enoou resistance at the ste vel d nobeenen able to geget th tgh. yo sensethis battl has been going on t onlyn w york city, but across e countrcome over tests? >> whai specilly ve been following arospares o come to townallsnd argue f thintenae of tests. maf ese res haha sai thgs le,y ds a sco on t test because they work rd thosotheblack andatx ds are notkingard. at they're not talking abo,

ou is thtest prere compies, the test ptutors, eest pr industry is concentrated in new rkity in white anasianghborhoods, so it makes see that those who get e bestt ep and he ththmost accs resrces to pay for the test epre gng too e ste tes. am interestingly, the new yk schools,ublischools are the stregatein t couny in new york. 're not tal about the soh. 're talking aut new york. >> tt in inibly lk about antis mostn w people tnk of who nds to be an antac the think of utherner people who o d for trp. th don't think people advoting f the maintenance these tessm whi are denying access to some of t best schoo in new york city to black aatino kids amy:his brings us to the esidenal rac is mingnder f

after he recently conas "poor ki" with "white kidsat an event hosd byheowa iaand latino coalition >>e ha thi notion that somew you a poor, you cannot do it. poids are jt asright and sts talented as white kids. thy kids. acds. asian ki. amy: ben later said he misspoke whieliverinhis remark >> if he misspok ther's a reason why he mipo to ben with. i thinthisdea, concting poor kids to black ks, is quite widesead. st like ere is an idea coects rh kids witwhite -- a- whh no only rst,ndoty sort of recognizeshaacally the rityf black ople in this country arnot poor, butn the se of connectinriid with whi ks, youre

ho a classifdy white ite racists as white trash. that is a ciized terthat imagineshat the's some wrong wh or whitee and ey have less because they are less. juan: i want to ask you abou your newook, you tal about the whe issu of cla and race and the relationship of capitasm io race. in one son you write, anti-capitism nnotnate class racismitntacism. case in t, youenti t persisnche racism afro-cuba's received aer the lution in 59. how us a tter sense of you see ts whole interrationshibetween the fight agnst ra a also against capitali >> i thinkt iserrelad.

i classifyacism and capitalism heseonjoined twi, from thame body but different peonities, difre faces. the ason idethat -- i track, pticulayn my ok, thigins of racism ca be sepatefr the origins of citalism. the oginf capilismannot be separed from the origin of rasm. the ofacism cannot be separated from the life capitasm and vice versa. whenou think about tlave trade whicwasritical inhe cumuti of alth i set of racist polies.entally wh you think ofoloniali or even slaverythese are fundentalla relaonsh twee racism d capitalism, which was esntiaial to its nc i think ooruly be raci, u ve to y be an-capitist. tru be antiapalist, yeto be tiracist because their

ated. amy:alk more abouthiand the founding of thisnt th iue ofvery, ther of predents whhad sles and the presenhatheost slavesfll, jeffers, ingike ves. lay th all out. >> whe y look at theounding of thihihiou, u' reay lking abo t pow -- amican power, largely being lders.n the sf slave you're talki about slaveholders whoarly shaped economic picy that the ensuredi not elinate or rmacial policy, which was ketoof coue, 're slehding. u're ao tag ou a group of ppllavehoers, who by 1860, became the rit and sles a the crops theyd.

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americans who opposeepations , ypically duld ask uld ke t stament ttly, first rrentl the white median wethn is country is 10 s gher than k median weth. estimamahat0, blacka median weah wille as zero doars. and ey'reastinghat cades lar, that latino dian wlth will basero doars. what we're seeing now is owal wealth gap hodo you- how do wtop this gng rial wealthap, rn it around, enlose it, withouparations? becathe reasons for that raraal wealth gap is becsef past antis pic so repations is notnla way

to challenge and eliminateho polies, t al t esntially pair the eff ofhose policies -- which is the raal weah ga o 2020tur decratic presidential candidate senar cory booke his week." speaking on abc's >> ts evidentimplicity of who is and who is der st isot the question.if we e ve ray and elve in sticeh anywhere is a reato justic evywhere, atreou doing abouthat in juic iot eno to say i'm not a racistn n erica. you need to be antirt. let's go to isss, t re of yourk,bram x. kendi, " "w b antiraci." to be a non-racisand anntiracist e very diert. when we ackedge the term "n racist," we're reay

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deni. that is all it rely h ever en. it has ner reay had any for want to deny being ract when charg wbeing rast. contrast, beintirist, there is a cleasensof whatt i i if a aist says th certain racial gros e serior or inrior or betterr worsthan rs, and antiracis says the's nothing wrong orve writeh any racial groups. were equal a ract tsies naion the actio a senar booker sd,hen they aeing a racisbeus ey arelling fothe repruction of racial iney. if seone i isupporting liciith thr actions that te racial equi,n tre being anntiracist. : delve in your new book he howow racism ha ated afca amerin and latino counitie the issue of skin color, letr

d dark, i wonder if you can abo that as welas your own personalourney through that maelsom of to understand how racis works in e country? >>howo an antiraci" s ict for me tit because i haveome person storie one of t persona stories- and n'to say this bui have to y it becae it thbook of people arengo read it- wh i was in college, ihoug that e were tooark. so i decid to gecod cots. theyereheoney contacts. my friendsould joke me th i orange eyes. but i thghwiththese hone coacts, i was morbeautifu that i w more attractive. anthisas aeprentation what i s oaddress inhe booknown cor is idea at the liger again, the betr. hee ghter the eyes,

beer. the stightheair, t better. d winities of colo ere radiatis of in color, cha texture anso whai did -- juan and ioften chanfr generation to genetion. >> pcisely. at in tchapter called "cor," we talk ab what call lht peoe and rk peoe. this is rticularithin couny's of cor. have en led belve in people that s white people are closer to , therwere supeor to ose dark peoe inter tho eas. there's also s of poci thctuafavor lig people over dark peopl i lk aboutllf e diaries betwee wte people and da ppl and i racist, they do tiew lighpeler darker people as better or worse than each otr. amy:hi i ithperft ti writers of the 20th century,

toniorrison, who we just lost last w last week onemoc n! w did tw hoursononhe show seraleff wh guests, playing the clips o morrin. weant to gback to one of the momen, as youcribe, wantg lig eyes. let's go to 201 a conveatio beeeto morrison and aa library. the new youblic >> w wn i wrote the rst book wre, "the st eye," i nted tknhy thagirl felt so bad, the real light gl oaid she wand eyes. we were talkinguthether god isd. he did.rse, was padhat and she warsuad that he did notp her oof was that she had pyed for eyes fo two years o years.

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