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anchor: tensions tensions remain high across the united states as protesters demand justice and change, sweeping across the country. curfews have been imposed across several cities, including minneapolis. the u.s. president blames extreme left groups for sparking the violence. donald trump wants to designate
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antifa a domestic terrorist organization. several cities and brazil denouncing jay or bolsonaro's overing of the pandemic as half a million people in the country have been infected. thank you for joining us. six days after george floyd died in police cusustody, protests he broken out a across the united states. people are on the street demanding justice and change. demomonstrators in numerous instances have been met with a heavy-handed response from the police. curfews have been imposed across several cities. like minneapolis, where on sunday a truck drove into a crowd of protesters before the driver was dragged out, beaten, and then arrested by police. earlier on sunday, france 24 met with residents of minneapolis who were coming together to
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clean up after a night ofof protests. >> after another night of violence, residents woke up to scenes of devastation, making their neighborhood unrecognizable. >> i have been here many times. yeah. >> it is very sad. yeah. it is devastating. it is not just in inconvenience. it is like a death, you know? alone, a bank,k restaurants, in an office burned to the ground. the native american community center suffered the same fate, a space once filled with creative you've stripped down to a shell. >> this is my office. this is the hardest place to look out -- at. i cannot say that heartbreaking is even the right description. we worked hard to give our young people something new and freresh
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and clean and comfortable. there is a deep feeling of hurt to look at it now, to watch it burn, to feel helpless. >> amid the chaos, the community has come together, joining forces to help clean up and get the neighborhood back on its feet. spontaneously, hundreds of volunteers turned up from all across the city and beyond to pick up the rubble. >> volunteers young and old pitched in. patrick drove in from out of town wanting to rebuild what had been torn down over the past week and ready to do whatever task was needed. >> there is no one person in charge, which is the beauty of it. we are all pitching end, watching out for each other. watching out for each other's health, safety. coming together and saying, what good can we do tododay? edit spreads and before you know it we are doing extraordinary things. t they volunteers hoping will shohow a brighthter side of minneapolis.
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they are ready to come back if violence are reps again overnight. blamed donald trump has far left groups for the rioting and looting that has broken out across several cities. the president wants to designate stick -- azziness domestic terrorist movement, but some say far-right groups are inflaming tensions even further. >> his name was often called out during protests. endnstrators demanding an to police brutality against black americans march on the white house. they say president donald trump has done nothing to stop the violence. some say he has even incited more hatred. for the u.s. presidents, many of the people protesting across americans are not plain citizens. he says those looting stores and confronting police are far-left activists who want to harm him
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and democracy. after several nights of violence, he has called to ban them, calling them terrorists. democrats have taken a different approach, saying there is on one side protesters, and on the other looters. >> people were largely peaceful in the early part of the day especially. as the evening went on, that changed to kind of a bent on destruction. it was an organized group that appear more bent o on destructin than on protests. figight looters while showing more compassion for protesters. joe biden has attended a demonstration in his home state. the democratic candidate for the presidential election writing as presidenent i will help lead ths conversation and, more imimportantly, i will listen, posting a picture on instagram with a black father protester and his child.
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the democrat, once vice presesident of popular former president barack obama, needs the support of black voters in the upcoming election, but critics say his actions to fight racism have brought little results. theor: brazil has become epicenter of the cocoronavirus pandemic in south america. the country has the fourth highest death toll in the world and over half a million cases of covid-19. protests have her update across severaral cities in the e county overer the president's handlingf the pandemic. to supportrts, howeverer, are calling for the lockdown to end, fearful of economic devastation. polarized. -- presidentaro jair bolsonaro being applauded by some. he says the measures will harm the country's economy.
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one thing is now sure. brazil has around half a million confirmed cases and a severe lack of testing means the true number is likely much higher. as both sides clashed on sunday, defiant president bolsonaro flew over the presidential palace. he got on a horse to greet his supporters who are calling for the supreme court to be shut down. aside from the pandemic, bolsonaro is being plagued by a corruption probe brought on byby hihis former justice minister. the minister r in chaharge of te investigation has expressed concern n over the president's behavior, going so far as to compare it t to hitler's dissololution of the weieimar
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republic. anchor: brazil has received hydra clock seat -- hydroxychloroquine from the united states, but there are no large-scale studies that have found the drug safe or effective. the whitite house has announcedt is sending 1000 and leaders to brazil. the lockdown here in france will be relaxed further from tomorrow. restrictions on travel will be lifted within the country while restaurants and bars will be reopening everywhere except in paris. some in francece are confused or what they can and cannot do. >> t this has become the new normal for those going. aboutt theirbusinesess in paris compulsory masks, markers on the floor, and checks at stations. this is the cost of people's postund freedom warranting, but for some the rules can be contradictory. barriers have been put up to move the slow -- to slow the
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move of people through the station, but the long lines have made it difficult to keep distance between them. french]ing french]ing >> some bubusinesseses are bring in rules to protect their workers, introducing temperature checks, distributing masks, and increasing cleaning. across the country, differing rules in different places have confused some locals. karen strasburg, it is obligatory to wear a mask in the markets, but optional in the majority of shops. french]king >> certain cities have me masks obligatory for anyone outside,
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but for many in the country people will have to make up their own minind on whether or t they coverer their faces. anchor: more on the easing of coronavivirus reststrictions inh ofof europe. we can bring him a professor of history. thank you for r joining us. italy,ths now people in spain, france have been confined under strict lockdown. liberty becoming the norm. and bands the e exception. -- and bans the exception. >> bit by bit, we are turning to a state of normality. i can tell you what is going on in italy where i am living. we have a rather steadady path o normalization on the third of june. we will have a new step up possibility to travel, for example, between regions. nowadays, it has been forbidden,
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until now. such memeasuresth is t that they have been -- is that there has been a competency stronger -- - competency s strue bebetween national and r regionl governments. in many cases, they have t thedicted the measureres national government has taken and this has confused people a little bit. this is something we have observed i in other countries. germany also has a strong difference between the measures adopted by several lenders, regionons, and the natioional government. there is the case of thuringia, which by mid june wants to open, lift all restrictions. this is s heavily criticized in other r regions. theyey are much more on the stae to keep on with closures until even july. anchor: we do see here in france
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wherere there is -- for the government does want to eventually open up to tourism, as well as italy and spain. thehe end of the day, authorities have to strike a balance between, you know, what is right from a health perspective and what is right for the economy. that is a tough call. >> that is indeed very tough. people a are getting m more ande and stressed with the lockdown. the more you keep it up, the more you risk that people actually start not understanding anymore why. of course, the governments are responding to scientists. they are responding to what scientists are advising them. that is in the first place a reasonable thing. not, of course, science is something ththat is completely univococal. it is not something where science is always right. the scientists are also in a protest of searching what could be best and they are disagreeing among themselves.
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so governments listening to them are in a difficult situation to sasay how much can we listenen o scientists and sell this to the people? the people are actually demanding and economic forces are demanding that this in -- this end. it is a difficult balance and i think most of all governments haveve to look at how public m , public opinion is moving, and how far they can still be cautious and keep up certain closures. i think it is a process of gradually trying to open up without losing sight of the scscientific world in the scientific advice veven to thehe governments. it is indeed a balance come and we see already in protests that are happenining for example in germany and recently italy, people who start gathering, thousands of people, behind
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slogans saying that maybe the whole coronavirus thing is just an invention, or things like this. someone who is more reasonable. but those kinds of opinions are gaining support. if we look on the economic forces, the economic forces are there on the side of those who we have, actually, yes, to try and open and risk. anchor: indeed -- >> but -- anchor: thank you for joining us. christo hasnown as died of natural causes at the age of 84 in new york. they are large-scale production took years of production and were often costly to erect. fullest his life to a -- to the fullest, statement says.
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that is how we leave it this addition. -- this edition. thank you very much for watching. anchor: hello and welcome to the interview. joining us as one of the living legends among more reporters, one of the most famamous british journalists, john swain. thank you for being with us. you are here in paris with good news. 22 years after being published, your memoir, your book has been translated in france. this is river of time, which is an iconic book all around the world. it is translated in french now. you aed to first to ask question. in the first pages, you are
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writing i did not want t to trae nostalgia. what did you mean by this? where,china is a place particularlyly in the war, capte the imagination of every westerner who is there, whether they were flinched -- french planners, soldiers, journalists, all of that. nothanges people and i did and i didnges people not want to give a sense that i was nostalgic for war or the countries that i was in -- for war. they were going to record this which- it is a place stands apart and marks me very strongly. it marked other people. in that sense, it is nostalglgi. anchor: to say farewell to indochina.
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all your memories as a yououng journalilist being put in ththis major war in i indochina. a away -- the book was a way to put intnto h hardcovery experience in indochina as a young war correspondent, but it is also a book about coming-of-age, a book from going byrom -- tering adulthood confronting a horrific situation in one of the most exotic and beautiful places in the world. anchor: you are very nicely isng the mekong river, which the mother o of waters if you go by the name. using the mekong river as an oflogy of memorial or senses, but you are also writitg
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the memekong inott is s innocens seeeems. whatat do you mean byy that? >> one has a a romantic vision f the mekong, which is the most beautiful river. i traveled long lengths of it in indochina. vietnam, cambodia, laos. i have seen it in its ferocity on the border between laos and cambodia, and then it becomes more gentle. i hahave alsseen it traveled through lands which were at that time at war. the most h horrific things were happening all araround the meko. i used to see bodies floating down the mekong of people who had been massacred, a lot of them civilians. anchor: the book is an iconic book. it was published 22 years ago and very, very famous. one of the key books regarding the memories of the indochina war.
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ththe question is how do we it took 22 years to be translated for the french public? would you say or think that there was maybe interference? particulalarly, some problems to face bad memories? because of course in the war, we lost french algeria and it was hard to address to the public these memories. nothe main reason it was translated into french to be honest is that my english promoters were lazy about france. i was always in the background wanting it to be translated into french. i have a strong attachment to frfrance andnd all sorts off different ways. movingse, that was through the former french
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cololonies of vietnamm and camba making it even more strong for me. is, yes, ahere tendency by western countries to turn, to try to forget and turn their back on those colonial episodes. at the same time, -- ananchor: the americans were not too eager to address their defeat in vietnam a few years later. know, aremericans, you very bitter in defeat and magnanimous in victory as we saw from the second world war. some of you describe in the most somber pages some of the events you witnessed regarding the traffic events of the book, people from vietnam leaving after 1975, going into the china sea.
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i want to ask you as a reporort. are e you combinining this withr memory, your heart, your spirit as a witness of such tragedy because what you are describibig is extremely violent? do you live with ghosts? >> sometimes. less now because i am older, but yes absolutely. when i am confronted by photographs of southeast asian people, from cambodia, vietnam, laos, and difficult circumstances, i am touched. i can see in their faces what i saw in their faces back in 1970 to 1975. i can see how they express fear, terror, hunger. -- breaksly sort of my heart. anchor: w when you were s stilla young man, do you think thiss
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bill to you or destroyed you? -- built you or destroyed you? >> i think it built me. i am not the same person i was all those years ago, but someone said to me there is nono such thing asas a bad experience because you can learn from it, but that is a bit tough, actually. the important thing is journalists are terribly privileged. i was privileged to be there at such a young age. i was privileged to see those things, horrible as they were, to see life at its most horrendous and to see, yes, , ls of suffering but also terrific humanity. human beings helping each other as well. that marks you. from that point of view, i do not think it turned me into a a cynic. you your wanted to ask reflection as to the case of covering wars all around the
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world. it looks like history teaches nothing because we have the very same tragedy in the indian ocean. in the mediterranean. refugees all around the world and is still the same problems of corrupt governments, the lack of understanding, of will to do something by the international community. what is your reflection? do you need work -- we need work? >> it does not magnify what i did. it is dispiriting that these things repeat themselves. history repeats itself. i am not one of those journalists who believe they can changege the worldld. i think k that is incrediblyy pretentious. but i think trying to write what you see and what you feel as a urnalist, , because we are in a privileged place, and leadiding your readers as if thehey are on your shouldersrs so they can actually see what you see and bring it home to them, i think
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that has to be a good thing. anchor: there are some beautiful pages and lines in your book. you mentioned beauty into sadness. i want to ask you how you reconcile these apparent contradictions between violence, barbaric actions you had been beauty,ng, and esespecially what you had witnessed and cambodia? -- in cambodia. how do you reconcile that? human beings have twowo sidedes to t them. one of the things i cameme away with is that human beings, even in these places in the most exotic places, can behave disgustingly toward each other and can be led very badly by people who encourage that. that is what happened in cambodia. there is a french expression, the khmer smile.
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because the cambodians always smile. they have a beautiful people, cambodian kining in the 19th century who said to french colonial officers that you have got to realize cambodians are like water buffalo in the rice fields. they seem to be e ry placid, but if you p provoke thehem too muc, they go completely mad and get very, very angry. and that is what happens. anchor: do you think you're human and professional experience, back to a few decades ago, would be possible today? >> i think largely not. i think journalism has changed so very much. now, first of all,l, you cannot get away from your officice, yor foreign editor or editor. he is in touch with you all the
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time, , asking you what you see, telling you u where to g go. one has lost onen's indndepende. i love to be a solitary figure wondering around reporting when i see. of course, all of that has changed. world, like the syria, is dangerous for western reporters to go to. we lost in cambodia 20 journalists in eight weeks. a horrific casualty figure. dead.ere either killed or that figure has never been matched, even in syria. that was the khmer rouge. ---metimes say they will the they were the precursors of isis. not from a religigious point of view or r anything like that, bt they were just psychopathic and killed anyone who encroached on their territory. not to have publicity or anything like that, like isis
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just -- just to out of a pathological hatred of them. anchor: john swain, thank you very much. this is the end of the interview. thanks for watching.
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