06/11/20 06/11/20 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from nenew york, one of t e epicentersrs of the pandemic c n the united states, this is democracy now! >> george was not hurting anyone that day. he did not deserve to die over $20. what aing you is that black man is worth? $20? this is 2020. enough is enough. amy: as george floyd's brother

hill,ies on capitol protests against police brbrutality and cism continue across the couryry. weill l speato hisistoan robin d.d.g. kelley. >> the queststion we have e befe us i is whethther or not we''reg to liveen societyy thahat propey is worth more than a black lives, wherere a manan can be kd by thehe state for $ $, or are e going toto have a socieie where evevery life is p precious a and valued, not subjected to degradation or torture or premature death? amy: then president trump tells authorities in washington state -- take back seattle or i will. the mayor of seattle responds by telling trump "make us all safe. go back to your bunker." we will go to the streets of seattle to speak with a citizen journalist who has been livestreaming the uprising and police crackdown. >>t's on

they are patrol. the state police are trying t open thearricades. they're putti the pepper spray and t streets. they got me. amy: but first, the united states has become the first country in the world to hit 2 million coronavirus cases. that's more than 25% of the cases worldwide, even though the u.s. has just over 4% of the world's population. we will speak with emergency room doctor, dr. craig spencer. all that andnd more, c coming u. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quaranante reportrt. i'm amy goodman. the number of confirmed u.s. coronavirus cases has ofofficiay topped 2 milillion, the higheset numberer in the world byby far,t public health officials say the true number of infections is certaiain to be manyny times greater. officially, the u.s. death toll is nearing 113,000 and at least 12 states are reporting an

increase in covid-19 hospitalizizations. in arizona, which lifted its stay-at-home order on mamay 15, more thahan three-quararters ofe state'e's intensnsive care unine filled a amid a spike in covid-9 patients.. publblic health ofofficials aree ururging new sococial distancicg measures and w warning the gogovernor to immediately prepae field hospitals to handle a coming flood of new patients. meanwhilile, the white house coronavirus task force has not held a daily press briefing in over a mononth, even thohough at 800 to 1000 u.s. residents are dying of covid-19 each day. on wednesday, vice president mike pence, the task force's chair, tweeted, then deleted, a photo of himself greeting dozens of trump 2020 campaign staffers -- all of whom were packed tightly together, indoors, wearing no masks, in contravention of cdc guidelines to stop the spread of coronavirus. this comes as a new study by

british researchers finds population-wide mask use could helplp push coronavirus transmission rates down to controllable levels. cambridge university researcher and report co-author richard stutt said -- "our analyses support the immediate and universal adoption of face masks by the public." a former british government advisor said the u.k. could have had its number of coronavirus deaths if the government had imimposed his lockdown just one week earlier.. it has hit 50,000 deaths. coronavirus cases continue to surge in the global south. the world health organization has urged pakistan to re-impose a lockdown to curb the virus. india has reported nearly 10,000 new cases over the past 24 hours, a new daily high. indonesia has reported record highs of new cases for the past two days. meanwhile in brazil, restrictions on many cities are

being lifted even as deaths continue to soar. in brazil, the death toll is approaching 40,000. on wednesdayay, the statate of o paulo registered 340 deaths, a new daily record. in africa, the number of confirmed cases has toppeded 200,00000. on c citol hill,l, the brother f george f floyd, whose killiningt the hands of m minneapolis polie officers sparked a global uprising, demanded lawmakers take action to stop more deaths at the hands of police officers. philonise floyd traveled to washington, d.c., wednesday to address the house judiciary committee e in person. >> the people marching in the streets are telling you enough is enough. but the leaders, the world needs the right thing. the people elected you to speak for them to make positive change. george's name means something. you had the opportunity here today to make your names mean something, too. if his death ends up changing

better, and i the think it will, then he died as he lived. it is on you to make sure his death is not in vain. amy: philonise floyd's testimony came a day after his brother was laid to rest and two days after democrats unveiled the justice in policing act, which would ban chokeholds and no-knock warrants and start a national database to track police abusese. calls are growing g for the arrt of the louisville police officers involved in the killing of breonna taylor, the 26-year-old african american emergency room technician who was shot to death by police inside her own apartment in march. on wednesday, the police department finally released its incident report from that night, but the report is almost entirely blank. breonna taylor's injuries as "none" even though

she was shot eight times. the report claims there was no forced entry by police even though officers used a battering ram to knock down her door. meanwhile louisville police are investigating sexual assault allegations against brett hankison, one of the officers who shot taylor. two women have claimed he sexually assaulted them after giving them rides home in his police vehicle. protests against racism and police brutality are continuing across the united states and around the world. in washington, d.c., hundreds marched from the white house to the lincoln memorial wednesday chanting "no justice, no peace. no racist police." in boston, the coalition of black youth led a massive rally outside city hall demanding the defunding of the police department. inin the san francisco bay area, activists are demanding the school distrtrict cancel contras with local police departrtments. this is jackckie byers, director of the black organizing project, speaking at a rally in oakland wewednesday.

>> we don't want police in schools. we want teachers. we want librarians. nurses,public health, art programs. we want ethnic studies. amy:y: monumuments to racists, colonizers, and confederates continue to fall across the united states and around the world. [cheers] amy: in st. paul, minnesota, on wednesday, activists with the american indian movement tied a rope around a statue of christopher columbus and pulled it from its pedestal on the state capitol grounds. the aim members then held a ceremony over the fallen monument. in massachusetts, officials said they'll remove a columbus statue

from a park in boston's north end after it was beheaded by protesters early wednesday morning. in richmond, virginia, protesesters toppled a statue of confederate prpresident jeffersn davis from monument avenue on wednesday night. in the nearby city of portsmouth, virginia, protesters used sledgehammers to destroy a monument to confederate soldiers. one person sustained a serious injury and was hospitalized after a statue fell on his head. in washington, d.c., house speaker nancy pelosi on wednesday joined other lawmakers demanding the removal of 11 confederate statues from the nanational statuary hall in the capitol. meanwhile, president trump said he will not even consider renaming u.s. army bases named after confederate military officers. there are 10 such bases, all of them in southern states. trump tweeted wednesday -- "these monumental and very powerful bases have become part of a great american heritage, and a history of winning, victory, and freedom."

trump's tweet contradicted defense secretary mark esper and chair ofofhe joint c chiefs of staff mark milley, who s suggesd ththey were e open to a discussn abouout renaming t the bases. president trump has announuncede will hold his first campaign rally since march 2 in tulsa, oklahoma, on june 19 -- a highly symbolic day. it was on june 19, 1865 when the final slaves were emancipated in texas. the day now marked as juneteenth, a day likened to independence day for africacan-americans. tulsa recently marked the 99th anniversary of one of the deadliest attacks on african-americans in u.s. history. in 1921, a white mob killed as many as 300 people, most of them black, after a black man was accused of assaulting a white elevator operator. the white mobs destroyed a thriving african-american business district known at the time as the black wall street of

america. meanwhile, senior white house adviser stephen miller is reportedly drafting a speech for president trump to deliver about race in america. last november, the southern poverty law center leaked a cache of miller's emails showing longtime support for white nationalism, far-right extremist ideas, and racist conspiracy theories. miller, who co-authored president trump's inauaugural address, is the architect of trump's zero-tolerance immigratation policies, inclclug family separations. the american civil liberties union and other groups are suing the trump admiministration for shutting down the southern border during the pandemic. ththe suit was filed on behahala 16-year-old d honduran boy who fled his home seeking a safe place to live. in other immigration newews, a fefederal judge e has blockedd immigration and customs enforcement agents from intercepting and arresting immigrants at new york courthouses. meanwhile, the intercept is reporting ice is seeking to spend $18 mimillion to buy thouousands of taserers.

hbomax has t temporarily removod the film "gone with the e wind" from its strmiming veo seice.e. "the washingn n postrepoport hbo's pantnt comny w warrmediaia is plannintoto makthe e 19 hollywood blockbusteavavailae again nexteek afteadadding new introduconon froa yet-to-be-nad d afrin amameran sties scsclar. "gone th t theind" was taken offline ju hours aerer screenwriterohohn riey, , wh won o oscaror " "12ears a a slave," wrote in an "l.a. times" op-ed -- "it is a film that glorifies the antebellum south. it is a film that, when it is not ignoring the horrors of slavery, pauses only to perpetuate some of the most painful stereotypes of people of color." president trump has repeatedly praised "gone with the wind." this is trump at las vegas campgngn rallyly in late februa. prpres. trump: whatever happened wind"?e with thehe that beautiful movie. whatever hapappens, bring back "gone with the winind."

amy: the a&e channel has canceled "live pd," its popular reality tv shohow about police ofofficers, amid protests over e shshow's role in the police killing of an african american motorist. javier ambler died in march of 2019 after police in austin, texas, repeatedly tased him during a traffic stop, while ambler told the officers "i have congestive heart failure" and "i can't breathe." ambler was pulled over after he allegedly failed to dim his headlights to oncoming traffic. the killing was filmed by a "live pd" camera crew but the footage was s never publicly released. onon tuesday, ththe austin american-statesman reported the show's producers have since destroyed the footage. the story has become known this week because the video of the death of jajavier ambler at the hands of the p police was just released. protesesters i in the san franco bay area are demanding justice for 23-year-old east oakland resident erik salgado who was shot dead by california highway

patrol officers saturday night. police alleged he tried to ram their patrol cars during a traffic stop. family members say officers fired 40 rounds indiscriminately at his vehicle, killing him and badly wounding his pregnant girlfriend. both passengers were reportedly unarmed. protesters are demanding police release the names of the officers involved and for their prosecution. amazazon has placed a onone-year moratorium on letting policece e its facial recognition technolology following protests from civil rights and privacy advocates. earlier in the week, ibm announced it would pulull out of the facial rececognition bususis entirely. in a letter to congress, ibm ceo arvind krishna condemned software that could be used for "mass surveillance, racial profiling, violations of basic human rights, and frereedoms." researchers have found facial recognition software is momore likely to misidentify people with darker skin. and nascar has banned displays

of confederate flags from its events, where the white supremacist symbol has long been a fixture. the move came just two days after nascar's only top-tier african american driver, bubba wallace, made this comment on cnn. >> know which of feel uncomfortable when they come to a nascar race, so it starts with confederate flags. they have no place for them. wallaces week bubba wore a t-shirt reading, "i can't breathe" as he debuted his car's new paint scheme -- all black, with the hashtag #blacklivesmatter stenciled along the side. and those are some of the headlilines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.orgrg, the quarante report. i am amy goodman h here in new york city, one of the epicenters of the pandemic, joined by cohost nermeenen shaikh.

nermeen: welcocome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. amy: i certainly look forward to the date you're sititting here n the studio right next to me, but right now the numbers are grim. the number of cononfirmed u.s. coronavirus cases has offially topped 2 million in the united states, the highesest number inn the world by y far. but t public healtlth officialsy the true number of infections is certain to be many times greater. officially u.s. death toll is nearing 113,000, but that number is expected to be way higher as well.. this comes as presidenent trump hahas announced plans to hold campaign rallies in several stateses that are battling new surges of infections, including florida, texas, north carolina, and arizona -- which saw cases rise from nearly 200 a day last month h to more than 1400 a day this week. on tueuesday, the cocountry's so infectctious diseasese expert, .

anthony fauci, cacalled the coronavirus s his worst t nightr >> now we have something thatt indeeded turned out to be my wot nightmarare, something that isis highly t transmissible -- if you just think about it, in the period of four monthths, it has devastated the world. and it isn't t over yet. amy: this comes as vice president mike pence tweeted, then deleted, a photo of himself on wednesday greeting dozens of trump 2020 campaign staffers -- all of whom were packed tightly together, indoors, wearing no masks, in contravention of cdc guidelines to stop the spread of coronavirus. well, for more, we're joined by craig spencer director of global , health in emergency medicine at columbia university medical center. his recent piece in "the washington post" is headlined "the strange new quiet in new york emergency rooms." dr. spencer, welcome back to democracy now!

it is great to have you with this, though the state is a very painful one. cases in the united states have just topped 2 million, though that number is expected toto be far higher whenen the numumber f 113,000, well over believe. harvard university predicting that number could almost double by thehe end of september. dr. craig spencer, your thought on the reopening of the country and d what these numbers mean? >> that isis a really good question. when youou think about those numberers, remembeber well earln in mararch and aprpril when we e uge surge, we wered testing people only being admitted to the hospital. we were knowingly sending home all across the epicenter people that were undoubtedly infected with corononavirus, , that are t in good in that case total. the likely number is much, much higher, maybe 5, 10 times higher than that.

in addition, we know that is true for the death count as well. this has become the political flashpoint talking about how many people have died. we know it is an incalculable total. within the next few days, we will have more people that have herefrom covid than died in world war i. we know just becauause new york city wasas badad, other places across the country might not get as bad but that does not mean they are not bad. we had these huge surge of a bunch of deaths in new york city, over 200,000 casases. what we're seeing now i is the virus continuedd to roll acrcros this countntry causingng these localized outbtbreaks. i thinink this is going toto bea rereality until wewe take this serious, until we takeke the acactions necessasary to stop ts virus from happening.. inningg up like we've seen many places is exactctly counter to what we n need to be d doingo kekeep this virurus under contr. i worry that what we have seen

so far is an undercount and what we're seeing isis just the beginning g of another w wave of infectctions spreading acrcrosse country. nermeen: dr. spencer, it is nont just in the u.s. that cases have hit t this d dreadfull mileston. toppedde, cases have now 7 million -- although like thehe u.s., the numbmber is likely toe much higher because of adequate testing all over ththe world. but i would like t to focus on e racial dimension of the impact of coronavirus, not just in the -- is, but also worldwide one example in brazil, andnd ths is a really stutunning statisti, in rio's favelas, morere people have died ththan in 15 statatesn brazil combined. so could youou talk abouout this both in n the context ofof the .

and explain whether that isis still the case anand what you expect in n terms of ththis racl difffferential, hohow it will py out as this virirus spreads?? > absolutely. what we'rere saying, not just in the u.s. but all ovever the wor, is coronavirus is amplifying ththese racial and eththnic inequities, impacting disproportionately vulnerable and already marginalized populations. starting in the u.s., think about the fact new york city, the likelihood of dying from coronavirus was double if you are black or african-american or latino or hispananic, double thn for white or asiaian new yorker. we already knoww this disproportionate impact on alreready marginalized and vulnerable communities exist here in the united states, the financial capital of the world. it is the same throughout the u.s. data, ittgetting this

is hitting thesese communinities much harder than getting whites and otheher communities in the united states. the statistics for brazil are being played out all over the worlrld. we know communities that already lack access to good health care or don't have the same economic ability to statay home and participate in social distancing are being disproportionately impacted. that i is why we need to focus n our publicbout health efforts to think about those commmmunities that are already on the margins, alrlreay vulnerabable, already suffering from chronic health conditions that may make them more likely to get infected with and die from this disease. we need to think about that is part of our response, not justt in new york and he was but many countries where we're seeing the disproportionate number of cases coming from now. i think was just pointed out three quarters of all the new cases, record high cases come over 136,000 in one day, threee

ququarters of those are coming from j just 10 countries. we know that willl continue through h many more. asas i right n now, we have notn huge numumbers in places l liket africa and east africica, sub-saharann afrfrica where peoe were concerned inititially. part of that is bebecause they haveve in place a lot of the tos from previous outbreaks, esespecially west africica, arod ebolola. itit it maybe we need more testing. it may be we are stillll waiting to see the cases that may eventutually hit there as well. nermeen: dr. spencer, you mentioned on sunday, it was sunday where there were 136,0000 new infections, whwhh was a first, the highest numumber sine the vivirus beganan. but even as the virus i is spreading, much l le in the e ws countries in the was, arare starting to open,n, inclug

those who hahave among the hight outbreaks -- brazil is now second only to the u.s. and the number o of infections in russia is third in these countrieses ae openining along with indndia ano on. so could you -- there are various rereasons that countries are opening. a lot of them are not able e -- large numbererof people e are nt able too survive as long as the country is closed, , like brazil and indidia. so what t are the steps that countries can take to reopen safely? what is necessary to arrest the spread of the virus and allow people at the same time to be out? know t is tough because wee this virus cannot infect you if this virus does not find you. if ththey're going t to be peopn close prproximity, w whether ina or illinois, this virus will pass and will infect you. i have a lotot of concern, muchs

you pointed out, places like india, 1.3 billion people, w whe they're starting to open u up after a longer period ofeieing lockeded down. case numbersrs are steadily increasing. a lot of peoplple around the wod don't have access to multitrillion dollar stimulus plans like we do in the united states, the ability to provide at l least some suststenance dug this time people are being forced at t home. many people if they do not go outside, they y don't eat. if t they don't work, their families can't pay rent or can't live.. what do wewe do? we rely on the exact same tools we should be relying on here, which is good public health prprinciples. you neneed to be able to locate those people who are sick,k, isolate them, remove them from the community, anand try to do contact tracing to see who they potentially have expose. otherwise, we're going to continue to have people circulating with this virus that can continue to infect other people. it is much harder in places wherere people may n not have as

to a phone or may not have an address or have the same infrastructure that we havave he in the united states. but it is absolutely possible. we have done this with smallpox eradication. we need to be doing this bread-and-butter basic public health work all around the world, but that takes a lot of commitment and money a and time. amamy: it looks like e president trump is reading the rules and just doing the opposite. everything from pulling out of the world health organization -- and if you could talk about the significance of this. you are a world health expert. you yourself survived people after working in africa around that disease. and also here at homome. pulling g out of charlotte, the republican convention because the governor would not agree to know social distancing and he did not want those who came to the convention to wear masks. if you can talk about that significance. what i seem tritete to some

people, but what exactly masks do. and alsoso, in this country, the states we see that have relaxed -- they may move thehe convention to florida. a lolot has been relaxed. what should be available when we say testing and do you have enough masks even where yoyou wowork? >> l let me answer eacach of th. first on the world health organization and the rhetoric coming f from the white hououse. it needs to be onene of global sosolidarity right now. we're notot going to beatat this alonone. i think that has been proven. this idea o of america and sectionalism -- exceptionalism is not true. no countries going to beat this this is dr. fauci said, his worst nightmare and my worst nightmare as well.

overvirus has really taken the world. we need organizations like the who, even if it is not perfect step i have written about it and spoken about the response is part o of the west africa ebola outbreakak that i witnessed fifirsthand. at the end of the day, they do really good work and they do the work that other organizations, including the u.s. we absolutely, d despite their imperfecections, need to further invest and support them. in terms of masks. masks may be one of the few things that really, really helps us and has proven to decrease transmission. we know if a significant proportion of society, 60%, 70%, 80% are wearing masks, that will significantly decrease the amount of infections and prevent them from spreading rapidly. everyone should be wearing masks. in the u.s., we should consider the whole country as a hot zone most of the risk of transmission being very high regardless of whether you are in new york or north dakota.

people should be wearingng masks when they are interacting with others they generally don't interact w with. we know ththe science is good. frfrom a public health perspective, there was some initial reluctance and i guess confusion early on about whether people should be usingng masks. we did not have a lot of the science to know if it would help. we do now. thankfullyly, we're changing our recommendations. we were concerned about the availability of masks early on. there were queststions about availability of personal protective equipment and whether we had enough in hospitals to provide care while keeping prproviders say. it is better now but there are still a lot of people who are saying they still need personal protective e equipment. amy: a and for the protests outside? >> absolutely. i think we have e personal passions around public health crises, that does not prevent us from being infected. from a public health perspective i have concerns that people were

close and yelling and are being tear gassed and are not wearinig masks.s. it is certainly an environment where coronavirus cocould sprea. what i've been telling g everyoe prototesting is exercise your right to protest, that's great, but be safe. we are in a pandemic. wear a mask of a socially distance is s you can. amy: are y you tellingng authors tear-gassing the protesters? >> we know it is illegal. we know it causes them to cocouh and incncreases the risk andd transmissibility of this virus. people and, holding arresting them and putting them into small cells with others without masks is also come as we have seen from this huge number of cases in places like meatpacking plants or in jails, prisons come the number of cases has been extremely high in those places, putting people into holding cells for prolonged

period of time is not going to help stop it is only going to increase the transmissibility. everyone should be wearing a mask. i think everyone should have a mask on anywhere you're interacting with others that could potentially spread this. i think other question was around testing. we know that right now testing has the galley increased in the u.s. -- has significant increase in the u.s. is it adequate? no. i still hear people have to drive two to three hours to get a test. we still have questions around the reliability of some o of the antibody tests, the t test that will tell you if you have been previously exposed and now have antibodidies to ththe disease. someme of them were readadily available justst are not that greaeat. we cannot use them yet to makee really wididespreaead decisionsn who mightt havave antibodidies g who might haveve protection, who might can safely go back and just as i do without the fear of being infected. spencer, very

quickly, there are 135 vaccines in d development. what is your prognosis? when more thouough be a vacciner drug treatment? that have one drug shortens t the time people a are sickck. we d d't knowow about t the impt on mortatality. themully more -- some of will work. we will have a vaccine very likelyly that we knonow is effective, of ugly sometime later this year. the e bigger process i is goingo be how do we scale it up to make hundreds of millions o of doses, do it in a way y that we can n t it to all of the people thahat deservee it come andndot just te people i can pay for it? i i think these e will be some f the bigger problems w we will fe going forward. but i'm optimiststic we will hae a a vaccine oror many vacaccines hopefully in the nexex year. amy: dr. craig spencer, thank you for r being with us, d direr of glolobal health in ememergeny medicine a at columbia univevery medidical center. thank you for your work as an essential worker. drdr. spencer's recent piece in

"the washington post" is headlined "the strange new quiet in new york emergency rooms." when we combat, george floyd's brother testifies befefore congressss, day after he laid ds brother to rest. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: "brilliant corners" by thelonious monk. this is democracy y now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. the brother of, george, sparked a global uprising, tomato lawmakers take action to stop more deaths at the hands of police. floyd travel to washington, d.c., to address the house judiciary committee in person, demeaning they take action to stop more deaths. sacrificeslways made for our family and he made sacrifices for complete strangers. he gave the little that he had to help others. he was our gentle giant. i was reminded of that when i watched the video of his murder. he called all the officers, "sirir." he was mild mannered. he didn't fight back. he listened to all the officers.

the man who took his life, who suffocated him for eight minutes and 46 seconds, he still called him, "sir," as he begged for his life. i can't tell you the kind of pain you feel when you watch something like that, when you watch your big brother who you looked up to your whole entire life die, die begging for his mom? i'm tired. i'm tired of pain. pain you feel when you watch something like that. when you watch your big brother who you looked up to for your whole life die, die begging for his mom? i'm here to ask you to make it stop. stop the pain. stop us from being tired. george called for help and he was ignored. please listen to the calls i'm making to you now, to the calls of our family and the calls ringing out the streets across the world. people of all backgrounds,

genders, and races have come together to demand change. honor them, honor george, and make the necessary changes that make law enforcement the solution and not the problem. hold them accountable when they do something wrong. teach them what it means to treat people with empathy and respect. teach them what necessary force is. teach them that deadly force should be used rarely and only when life is at risk. george wasn't hurting anyone that day. he didn't deserve to die over $20. i'm asking you, is that what a black man is worth? $20? this is 2020. enough is enough. the people marching in the streets are telling you enough is enough. by the leaders that is in our

country, the worldld needs the right thing. the people elected you to speak for them, to make positive change. george's name means something. you have the opportunity here today to make your names mean something too. if his death ends up changing the world for the better, and i think it will, then he died as he lived. it is on you to make sure his death is not in vain. i didn't get the chance to say goodbye to perry while he was here. i was robbed of that. but i know he's looking down at us now. perry, look up at what you did.

big brother, you changed the world. thank you for everything, for taking care of us when on earth, for taking care of us now. i hope you found mama and you can rest in peace with power. thank you. amy: that is philonise floyd, george floyd's brother. george perry floyd, known as perry by his love ones. philonise was testifying wednesday before the house judiciary commitittee, as s momm for defunding the police grows amid nationwide protesests over floyd's killing by mininneapolis polilice. for morere on the mass uprprisig engulfing the u.s. and what protesesters are demanding now,e go t to los angeles, where we're joined by y robin kelley, professor of african a american studies at ucla who studies social movements. author of many books, including "freedom dreams: the black radical imagination." professor, it is great to have you back with us, especially now. i mean, just in the last hours, you have the icons of thehe

confederacacy being tumblbled throughout the united states. yet president trump financing he is giviving his first cacampaign speech in months in tulsa, oklahoma? the site of one of the worst massacres of blacack people in ,.s.s. history? on juneteenth june 19? this in the midst of this global uprising.. talk about this s moment we aree in. >> thahat is a slap in the face. about begin by talking philonise floyd's testimony because listenining to it again, it is very emotional. it really captureres the momente are in postop it moved me in part because we have been hearing -- i have been hearing this speech my entire life. i don't remember a moment in my life when i have n not heard someone talking about holding police accountable, teaching

cops to trereat people with emempathy and respect, teaching them appropriate force. i i was really struck -- again, this captures the moment i how georgege floyd called the offics "sirir." this is something his brother mentioned. as he was being killed, called them "sir." the painful and chilling revelation given how black men and women were beaten or even killed for not addressing an officer of the law were any white men as "sir." this happened to my father-in-law stuck in some ways, th q question n and the other question, which is what is a blacack man's workrk? $20? ththis moment we arere in now rs that question. yep mass prototests around the worldd, what are black lives worth? are they worth more than -- less

ththan property? black lives matter drilled down on this question from the moment's inception. asking the question, what kind of society is this? that values property over black life? about -- your last guest talking about tear-gassing. the fact that people are being tear gassed through the pandemic and over this question of whether or not black life has value. this is a really crucial moment. cleaearly, trump really drilling awn on what i would argue is fascist response, drilling down on a state that has no issue taking people's lives over the smallest infraction. and i have -- i should not take

hope, but i do have -- i dodo imagine real change occurring when you have millions of people in the street saying, not what people set in 1968 -- this is a very different moment -- but actually saying we can't have police as we knew it. you think about the uprisings in the 1960's where so many of these struggles emerging out of and policeunities brutality, police violence, an end to the denial of basic needs, services, j jobs, and in the response were things like diversity, inclusion, community oversight, more black cops, demands that officers live in a community. you compare that to defunding

the police. to basically reorganizing the way we deal with public safetyty and it is coming from many different circles. people who thought five or six years ago that was ridiculous demand, are now seeing it as not only viable, that we are seeing it happening most of at least the beginnings of it happening. we will see how it turns out. nermeen: profefessor, i want too back to something you wrote immediately following trump selection in november 2016. he wrote that the u.s. needsds a multltiracial movement committed to "dismsmantling the oppressive regimes of r racism, hedge patriarchy,, empire,e, and class exportation that is at the root of inequality, prokaryotic, materialism, and violence in many forms." just talked ababout how the demands s of this movemement are very different. do you see what is h happenininw

as what you wanted to happen in novembmber 2016? >> exaxactly. not only that, but what i wrote inin 2016 was actually a reflection of what was already happening on the ground. in some respects, remember the movement for black lives put out their policy platform in august 2016. one of the things we all have to acknowledge is that we are not here by accident. this is not a spontaneous response to the pandemic and suddenly white people are waking up and say,, wait a second, black lives matter. this is a product of enormous beforeing back well trayvon martin, but if you think about all of the organizing work , the movement for black lives, black lives matter, the women who organizededlack liveses matr

, black youth project 100, all of the activists who have been working on this -- and before that, the malcolm x grassroots movement, cop watch, admitting in power, critical resistance -- these were initiatives on the ground who did all of this political education, all of this organizing work. dream defenders, rising majority , black organizing for leadership with dignity, and also groups like surge -- standing up for racial justice, which deals with white racism. so you have any infrastructure in place that has been doing this work for a decade or more,

more than a decade, and that is why people are out here. that is why people come out to the streets and simply roll off their totongues words like "defd the police." connect, transphobia my to racial, patriarchy capitalism and to racial violence. connect these things in ways that i think are kind of unprecedented. but again, without organizing work, we would not be here. i think it is very important to even go back and acknowledge how the foundations were laid by the collective, by people like barbara smith. fighting around questions of connecting sterilization, abortion rights with racism, you know? these kinds of things, these connections are important.

there's a long history that got us here. and real question now is whether or not this can be sustained. because we know throughout history, we have had revolutionary moments after reconstruction in the 1870's followed by backlash and by what we describe as american fascism. second that reconstruction of the 1960's followed by backlash, the rise onthe klan, the tamping down the strike wave in the 1970's, neoliberalism. and now we are facing another one. we have forces trying to transform the world in a way that couould actualllly bring sy and prosperity y to all versus a president and a regime that asks , whwhat happened to "gone" " wh ththe wind nermeen: p professor, you u tald abouout the hisry of ththis

movement which certainly is the case, builds on many precursors of this s kind of rebellion butt also has theirir dimension of a dadark side. some of the phrases being deployed, especially in the media,a, some ofof the media, ad thatat is "loototing." hindi word anand tered the language in c colonial india with s salvation historias putting u up its i initial usag, one of i its initial usages waso and losers,apists those who are involved in the firsrst rebellion against the et india company in 1857 -- i mean, it is difficult to imagine -- theyey were chcharacterized as looters and rapists, it i is difficult to imaginene that trup would know this historory but he certainly knows o of its

connotation. so can you talalk a about the tm w word "looting" and he said every uprising has included it? >> the other day i did a google search and put in "looting," and i got 19 million hits.s. then i put in "excessive foforc" and got 1 1.1 million h hits. what is interesting is the way the mededia really has grabbed n to looting as the problem. it displacaces some of the m mar issues that are bebeing raised, especially the violence of the police against protesters. what is interesting about looting, if you look at the long a civil there is not disturbance, civil unrest of any significance or even a natural disaster which some sort of

flash looting or appropriation of goods did not take place. that is not uncommon. also there is a tendency to treat looting as a way too dismiss legitimate organizing work. when in fact, many people momen this case, during an ecoconomic crisis with 40 million people applying for unemployment -- as if somehow those types of attacks on property or apappropriating property are themseselves part of a movement, part of f a wing of a movement. we know that is not the case at all. the question of looting d does bring forward are two things. to mr.what goes back floyd's question, what is a black maman's life worth? propertystruction of

or taking things, taking sneakers or computers somehow more important than watching someone die on film? people killedsemi by the police over the last fears? what is more important? what is the value of someone? the second part of looting is it displaces s the looting that is the history of the ununited states. bodies --at human that black bodies were looted. that is how we got here. looted,igenous land was seizing that land. , theow that for years housing market has been a form of looting which the value of black owned homes have been suppressed. the transfer of wealth is a kind of form of looting.

but if you look at the history of race riots in america, most so-called race riots -- going back to cincinnati in 1839, 1841, going back to a whole range of so-called race riots in philadelphia. you mentioned tulsa and opening. tulsa,,, which was a kind of looting -- not a kind, but you're talking about destroying of lifee -- 35 blocks on property and businesses. worth millions of dollars. people going -- - why people gog into homes andndaking blacack people stuff, destroyoying and taking step.p. tulsa, oklahoma, st. louis in 1917, we could talk about rosewood in 1920 ray -- so many examples, springfield, illinois in 1908.

some of that looting is also about taking political power. one last example i want to give is the most absurd and that is as you noticed, during george floyd's funeral, the nenew york stock exchangnge decideded thatt would go sent and nonot trade for eightt minutes and 46 seconds. what is interesting about that is talked about looting, wall street has profited from police's condnduct. citities have been n paying out billions to cover police's conduct lawsuits. when they cannot p pay out the settlemement, what do o they do? they try regularar tax revenues. they can't afford it. they flees the poor with and fines.

banks ananother firmrms collect fees for the services, investors earn interest, and t then using the bonds to cover the settlement, those bonds and up costing sometimes as much as 100% morore than the original settlement. this is the transfer of wealth from over policed communities to wall street, wells fargo, goldman sachs, bank of america. this is what is called police brutality bonds. amy: we are going to have to leave it there but we have so much more to talk about with you and we hope to have you back very s soon. robin kelly is professor of african american studies at ucla and studies social movements. author of many books, including "freedom dreams: the black radical imagination." 30 seconds and we go to seseatt. ♪ [music break]

amy: "yes we can can" by the pointer sisters. bonnie pointer, the foununding member of the group, has died at the age ofof 69 earlier this we. this is democracy now!, democracacynow.org, the quarante report. protesters in seattle, washington, have taken over several city blocks after a protracted stand-off with the police force there, shutting down a police precinct and declaring part of the city's capitol hill neighborhood an autonomous zone. citizen journalist omari policery livestreamed

pepper spray, tear gas and flash using pepper spray, tear gas and flash bang grenades on demonstrators. facing mountingriticism, the seate police department ababandoneits s capitol hill precinct this week. last night president trump tweeted -- "radical left governor @jayinslee and the mayor of seattle are being taunted and played at a level that our great country has never seen before. take back your city now. if you don't do it, i will. this is not a game. these ugly anarchists must be stooped immediately. move fast!" seattltle mayor jenny durkan responded by tweeting -- "make us all safe. go back to your bunker. #blacklivesmatter" for momore, we speak with omari salisbury who has been covering the protests in seattle since they started on twitter and for his website converge media. welcome to democracy now! you yourself have been hit by what the police call the less than lethal ammunition that hass huhurt so many, injured you and

many others around the country. talk about what is happening in seattle. looks right now i'm m actually sitting riright here in the mide of this you u a ton mazzonene te capitotol hill econonomist zone. ustwas s seral days of heatated standndoffs. a lot ofof teargrg, a lot of otr types of weansns. ononthing you u did not mentiois rubbbber bullets o or the rubbee projectiles. also gototit with ththose quitea few times.s. the protesesters just kekept protestiting u until the cititof seattle dececed to abandon the police precicinct in whichch nos literally townsquare herere in e capitol hill autonomous zone. amy: talk about what happened to youu personally y and what it ms to be happenening by this and wt is happening in n seattle right nonow. for me, evevery may dayay ther's something that goeoes on, kind f a police rereaction. i came here to cover the

protests because there happening nationwide. i found myself continuously on the frontline trying to cover it because honest every day there was a clash with the protesters and the police. the issue was the proportionality ofof the respon. incredible amount of teargas an incredible amount of force against protesters that i would say the majority of, high 90 percentile, more peaceful. people that live in the neighborhood and those are the people now occupying c created this zone. amy: we will talk about this n w zone, this imagine new world as possible, in part two of our discussion. omari salisbury thank you for being with us. stay with us and we will post it at democracynow.org. omari salilisbury is a citizenen journalistst and founder of converge media. that does it for our show. democracy now! is lookoking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to outreach@democracynow.org or mail them to democracy now! p.o. box 6 693 new york, new york 10013. [captioning made possible by democracy now!]

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