♪ anchor: hello. thanks for joining us. i am claire pryde. first, to portland in the u.s., where violence has erupted once again after protests. they started after the death of george floyd, and president trump has sent in federal agents to stop them. some officials have been saying federal agents should be fighting climb, not protectors. catherine vietttte reports. catherine: it is a show a crying, "foul,l,"

after president trump sent in federal agents to quell the unrest. >> they were and camouflage, and they were in unmarked cars, and they were grabbing people off the street who were walking away from whatever was going on here. catherine: the ongoing protests against racism and police brutality in portland and other cities are a thorn in trump's side. declared himself the "law & order president," as he runs for reelection, has them to other cities, including chicago and new york. pres. trump: all run by the same liberal democrats, a and, you kw in, thatbiden got would be true for the country. the whole country would go to hell, and we are notot going to allow it to go to help.. catherine: both mayors are

threatening to sue the president. >> while we understand additional resources can be a value add, they are not a value adadded they are nameless agent, riding around in vans, pulling people off the streets, depriving them other constitutional rights. that is not what i democracy looks like, and we are not going to have that in the city of chicago. catherine: oregon's attorney general has already y filed aa wsuit agagnst ththe federal government for unlawfullyy detaining protetesters, in viviolation of their constitutional rights. >> t the outcome of f those proceedings will really impact what the president is legally going to be allowed to do in other places. i think he is certainly testing his limits. catherine: criticscs say the deployment of fedederal forces s only increased t tensions betwen demonstrators and local officials. claire: the u.s. has ordered china to close its consulate in houston, texas by friday. firefighters were called to the consulate on tuesday, because document were reportedly being

burned just outside the building. the state department saying the closure was necessary to protect american intellectual property. tensions are high between the u.s. and china at the moment, because of issues like hong kong's new security law, huawei, and china's east china sea claims. china vowing to retaliate for the consulate closure. u.s. the 21st of july, the abruptly demanded china close the consnsulate in t the city of houston. it is a politicical provocation, unilaterally launched by the u.s. side, while seriously -- violatinginternationa international law. china strongly condemns such an outrageous and unjustified move, which will sabotage china-u.s. relations. claire: donald trump has admitted that the coronavirus

pandemic is likely to get worse before it gets better. this at his first press briefing on the virus in months. the u.s. president even encourage people to wear masks one he wants mopped joe biden for wearing one. the shift coming as he trails biden in the polls with just three and a half months to go before the election. pres. trump: young adults may often have mild or even no symptoms. they won't even know they are sick. they won't have any idea that they have a virus. they won't have any idea at all. america's youth will act responsibly, and we are asking everybody that when you are not able to socially distance, wear a mask. get a mask, whether you like a mask or not, they have an impact, they will have an impact, and we need eveverything we can get. claire: we can now speak to robert guccifer lancaster university and the u.k. a book called "the trump presidency, democracy, and journalism."

thank you for your time. for months, donald trump has it, why theying chchange of heart? robert: you know, there are a couple of things. one, you can only ignore the voice of silence for so long. we are seeing florida completely out of controrol, the south out of control with its numbers. that is where the numbers are. it is hard to speak against that, as the visuals are coming out of the graphs and expert scientists. the otheher thing that might be influencining the babacklash tht hihis own campaign might be facg from all of these people who are anti-massacres. they will gogo into walmart and target, displayeded -- destroy displays with masks, go intoto city councilil meetings and sayg that masks are a sign of slavery

and oppression, and that patriots do not wear masks, only criminals. so these people who are getting caught on social media just raranting g and raving,g, whethy are right or not, they look a bit strange, so animated about this. and that is really starting to have people question may be the sanity of sosome of these folks, especially as we e get closer to the election. if that person is going to vote for trump, and i like that person, it mighght be a question going through some voters' minds. in thata lot can happen time, but there is one poll recently showing joe biden with a 15-point lead over donald trump. is it looking like it is too late to force trunk, who recently got a new campaign manager, two turn things around? well, donald trump has always done well with bad publicity, so, you know, if it is bad publicity from here until

the election, he always finds a way to spin it, and that will usually look like trying to take out the enemy and some sort of discourse. joe biden has been keeping his head down and really doing a lot of quiet campaigning. the difficulty there is while that might appeal to some americans who don't want potential drama from a second trump administration, this silence or this "quiet campaigning" that joe biden is doing might set a tone for his presidency. campaigns do that. how you operate in the campaign is, you know, kind of a promise of how you are going to operate as a president, and so joe biden also has to balance -- is that who he wants to be known n as or seenen as as a pototential president, kind of quiuiet, hunkereded down,n, having press conferences, making some proposals? but we cannot treat this like a normal electctn cycle, because it is not one. claire: as you said, joe biden is giving a relatively

low-profile,e, but is't that deliberate? could it be part of his strategy, that perhaps he and his team think that he could take a step back and let trump caususe his own goals, if you like. robert: wellll, of course, yeah, it is a strarategy. you know, dononald trump's -- i mean, everybody has talked about donald trurump, but it is a proboblem that not everybody is talking ababout joe biden as we, andd p polls can alwayays be deceiving, depending on what questions are asked, who is being asked the questions. donald t trump may be e in dangr bebecause of some ofof his polo, his aggressivive policing, mimilitary policing, his flip-flopping on covid, going from it being a "hoaxax and fake news," to be in something that can kill, you know, lots more people, to, you know, we have joe bibiden here who wants to oe a decision. do i want to folollow that on stagage, or do i want t to havey own presence, and that being of

a civivilized candidate? but he may no actually be able to say the things he wants to say then, if hee is taking that back seat, andnd a backskseat to trump might mean a bad day at the ballot box. claire: we played a report earlier in which donald trump saying that the u u.s. will goo hell if joe biden were in charge. you mentioned heavy-handed policing. this is we haveve been reporting federal agents have been sent to portland. trump a saying he is prepared to send them elsewhere. is this -- because you were saying this perhaps is not working in his favor, or put it acactually help, b because he is positioning himself as the law and order candidate, clearly. he alsowell, posisitioning himself f as the anti-urban candidatete, you kno, and that goes to narratives across the united states that the countryside is the traditional side, where our roots are, and the city is the

future, but it is also hyper violent. there i is no real evidence to these things, but those are the negatives that come out of -- narratives that come out of entertainment, politics, and even news coverage of areas across the country. so he is playing against thesese urban centers, which does speaek to a good part off his base. but it is concernining, because ththese are some of the same types of military operations we are having across the country, militias going throughout south america, doing the u.s. bidding. we saw this with halliburton in iraq. to t think that that type of military, that type of covert, private action does not happen on domestic soil, well, now we have seen that those types of approaches that have been used across the world, to push an american agenda, is happening on american soil. and thatat should be a real concern for a citizen. claire: just quickckly, if you could,d, we are e running out of time, but just another word on

violence. is that not what donalald trumps risking, when he sayays that he would be prepared to contestst e results of the election in november? robert: i think eititr way, whoevever is g going to o get ie white house, there is going to be huge legal battle that is going to tie up months and months of progress, either trump continuing what he wants to do or for a new person trying to country out of the hell that a lot of us s think it is already entntered t there wie court battles onon either side, that will draw the united states further into a divide after that election. claire: all rigight, thank you very much indeed for your time and your analysis. robert gutsche joining us from the u.k. protests continue in israel, with polls suggesting most israraelis arere not happy with their government's handling of the coronavirus crisis. compounded by prime

minister benjamin netanyahu's corruption trial. demonstrators blocked roads leading to parliament. dozens were infected. protesters have been gathering outside of the residence of netanyahu. there have been daily protests for two weeks now. let's go to jerusalem and speak to our correspondent, heiress mackler. why did protesters gather outside parliament today? they aredenent: protesting because contractor and trading -- concentrating more power in the government, led by benjamin netanyahu, is the government. actually dol, they not trusust benjamin netanyahu. see this pandemic will, and they think the parliament has their back, so what they say is putting the government on the spot, saying, why are you closing?

where is your evidence for that? why are you closing restaurants? why aren't you closing synagogues? so we have seen that, you know, from friday, when they were told to close by the government, and then they were told to reopen by the parliament. then they are told to close again by the government. now they a are told they can reopen again by the parliament. that kind of thing is having it topple, and i have to say that it is s not just in jerusalem, t is a across ththe country, and s the economy. it is not only a health cririsi, it has become an economic crisis. claire: irris, what are the latest covid-19 infection figures? is theyhe problem here are rising daily. have been 2000 new

coronavirus cases a day. they may well have to return to lockdown. today, it is 1900 77, so it is very c close. it is now becoming a situation that will put -- they are rising, amounts, nonot europepen numbers, but six people in the hospitals, rising, the stress on ththe hospitals is rising, and that is s why there is a b batt. if everyone who cameme out of lockdown could agree, a concession by the government about that. everybody who came out of lockdown too quickly nowow is paying the price now, and that is why we have seen the protests , , continually fall back, ththe threat of a second full lockdown, not just weekend lockdowns. are theink the protests most violent we have seen in jerusalem in years. claire: irris, thank youou so mh for that update from jerusalem. and thank you for watching. that is it t for this edition.

♪ >> hello and welcome to the "france 24" interview.. our guest today is a senior foreign policy adviser to the bojana -- i iser bojan iser share by john. the violence of opting at the border between your country and anenia, including azerbaijani general. your country and armenia have been at loggerhead for a while now. last prevailed in the last few days, however, armenia has claimed azerbaijan

has ononce again attacked at the border lasweweek. is this true? what is your response? >> firststf all, thahank you for your opportunity. as a resulult of the war, armenian-occupied by azerbaijan, and it has becomome p patriotic. thisis incident is not just a sporadic act absent in the border of the two countries, it is a c continuation n of the military aggggressiongainst azerbabaijan. act have perceive this asn ofof aggression,n, an acve that is byrce,, a and the armenian sidide. the armenian s side always s trs to depririve us of his responsibility for its crime..

when a armenia's new pree i if iter, saying that pursues a different called rather than previoious, they cod be part of thehe negotiationon procs.s. highlighting the meeting between t trefore thiss regime and also provides -- prproviding a conducive envivironment to the product of demonstratining goodwill and engagement. we havave provided all of the senate to movove the negotottion process forwar b but what hass happened? aggressiveas a v very strategy, described by the military of defense, new territories, and new wars, and also unprovovoked attack by algebra john -- by azererbaijan. the national sesecurity strarategy, and also,, the armen pree minister is undermrmining

the admininistration,n, also o a from the tears consulate, the negotiation process. you ofrmenia is accusing warmongering come of attacking. you are seeing it is armenia. do you believe this is just an incident, , orhat t is armenia's goal, according to you? mr. hajiyev: armenenia actually has multiple goalsls, by launchg an o offensive against azerbaij. armeninia's military occucupatin continues in azerbaijijan. since it is in azerbaijan, it is under occupatation. > what about -- . . hajiv: that is notot enough. azazerbaijan is a borderrerea of the coununtry. what arere the reaso for armenea to be there? azerbaijan -- we do n not have y military purpose in the border of the country.

it is in the strategic interest to have -- interest of azerbaijan to have interest in the area, because for our partners, only the transportation and links of azerbaijan, in georgia and azerbaijan, are running, geographically very close to the area where the incident happened, and when it has started, the number one goal from the armenian side was to dismiss the azerbaijan issue. it is s to create new conflictsn the region, and insert armenia in a new manner, trying to put them over the target, and countless process, and a risky adventure to undermine regional security. armenia also tries to have the strategy that the strategy is out.

and also, they trieded to captue alsoate, nenew territories, the new strategies. this most important issue is about the deterioration of the situation in armenia, and by doing that, armenia also tries to deflect. that, armenia tries to undermine the negotiation process, to bring it back under zero square, so it is not just below any movement in -- negotiation process occupied territories of azerbaijan. right, but your president himself said a few weeks ago that he felt the negotiations were going nowhere, and we have seen also threats from azerbaijan to strike a nuclear power plant in armenia, so it seems that azerbaijan is also to,really inclined for --

towards a p peaceful solution, because it feels like the negotiations are goingng nowher. mr. hajiyev: of course,e, i want to start with this statemement madede by the role of ourr miliy officer by the azerbaijani side on an emotional basis. on the way is this supposed to reflect, no way y targeting crcritical strucucture from azerbaijan's side. itit is completely agagainst the vision andnd strategy of azerbaijan. but on the contrary, we have seen onn the armenian side affectcting civilians s and also tatargeting azerbabaijani civil. and also,o,s a result of the publication, the e armenian sid, we have one civilian who has been killed. armenianans alsoadade a p public statemement thathey y we targetining azerbabaijani oil ad

gas ininstallatis,s, and also armenians fo mental -- menia's former president said they were tryiying to target azerbaijan's oil and gas installalations and d so on. but as for the adadministraonon part of itseself, azerbaijan is committed to a new prococess foa resolution, but of course our exexpectation is that they y shd be meaningful and substantial about the resolution, and theree shouldld be a timetabab foror te control ofrmrmenian s ships from occupieded territotory. unfortrtunately, so far, we have not seen any tangible resesult n the nenetiatation prorocess. armenia has trieied to hide them behind the n negotiationon proc, mililitaryw with the occupationon and also cononduct activities in little settlements of azerbaijan. >> do you believe, sir -- mr. hajiyev: from the old camp -- >> sorry, do you believe that russia and georgia are playing negative rolole by may be pushig

ararmenia t towards what t you e descscribing? mr. hajiyev: no, actually, georgia is a strategic partner of azerbaijan, and georgia, we are neighboring countries and have a very close partnership.. we have always said d that azerbaijijan a and georgia cocooperation as a model f for r countrtries. i also hope that t politicacal s out of ararmenia will have sucha vision to learn from sticicking policy of occupying territories f other n neighboring countries. we havave very good relationship russia,tegic ties with and also on a bilateral basis, and also as a member of the delay to try y to somewhat -- de-escalate the situation, and of course, in this process, negotiation, that they

are able to double their, based on their manandate, to focus on the part of the negotiation process, and based on their mandndate, to ensure liberationf azerbaijan territories from armenia's occupationon and ensue implementation of the united nations security council. now we also see once again the ararmenian side tried d to bring technical elemements of t the negotiation prococess to hide ththeir crimes that they h have committed d against azazerbaija. and also, to deviate the negotiation process, a a key fundamental trtrack h here. >> the last question, sir, because we are running out of time -- armenia has accused turkey, and especially as president, recip erdogan, of actually being the one behind this latest tension, in a way, saying that your country is obeying turkey's orders. what is yoyour resesponse? country,iyeyev: azerbaija and we diffefer azerbabaijan frm

armenia. azerbaijan is an independent country and has a nip and inform policy, so that question is to be asked to the armenian side, why you have launched d such an offensive operation, why you have launched a military adventure that also has r resuld into armenian armed foforces tht ararmea trieies to hide fr the ininternatnal community. ,hthat is also the question post-s-stage of the fabricateded that they tried to release. as in the role of t the turkey, turkrkey is an oririginal count, and turkey is also a member, in general, where we have the countries, and our expectation is all of the country should play a role in the resolution of the consulate. turkey also made in a statementt it also condemned armenia's military aggression against azerbaijan. it was not only turkey and other countrtries and institutions as movement,luding 120 corporations, and other institutions. we also welcome a statement from

the european union and member countries i call for the de-escalation, and we hope that the a armenian coconsulate understands anand wd providide such action. also, remove the troops frfrom e occupieded territorieses of azerbaijijan, at the dememand oe un security council resolution, at the demand ofof international , in theirlso,o, should eyes, see justice. >> just the last question, quickly, at the conclusion, are you willistic thahat prevail? mr. hajiyev: actualllly c come a moment, we arere e expecting provocation n from t the armenia siside. if you would like toto understad the consulate, it reminds us of the scenario oththe border thatt betweenen france e and germany. we have an infriringement scenao

appepeared 10000,000 armrmenian soldiersrs in the e seven territorieof azerbrbaijan and occucupying power. soldiers are sitting face-to-faface in the trenchch. if you have an illegal foreieign military occupation, anyny kindf escacalation and provovocation n happppen, and it also can

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