07/24/20 07/24/20 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amamy: from m new york, this iss democracy now! see mr. yohogot to 's didisrespect on the floor of this house toward me o on television. and i am here becacause i have o show my parents that i am their daughter and that they did not raise me to accept abuse from men. amy: compass member alexandria ocasio-cortez fires back at congressmember ted yoho after he

called the congresswoman an f-ing b-word. we'll bring you aoc's full response. prpresident t trump sends a "s"" of paramilitary troops to portrtland and other large democrat-run cities, we'll spend the rest o of the hour w with wd renowned d dissident, profesessr noam chohomsky. >> he is desesperate. on oneire attention is thing, the election. facts to cocover up for t the he is personalllly responsible r killing tete of thousasands of .mericans amy: i all that and more, ming up. welcome e to democracy now!, democracynynow.org, the quararae report. i'm amy goodman.

in a major reversal, president trump has canceled the republican national convention in jacksonville due to a surge in coronavirus cases in florida. pres. trump: the timing of this event is not right with what has happened recently, the flare up in florida, to have a big convention is not the right time. amy: last month, trump moved much of the convention to jacksonville from charlotte after north carolina governor roy cooper rejected requests from the president and the rnc to be able to hold a full convention without social distancing or masks. trump canceled the jacksonville rnc on the same day florida reported more than 10,000 new covid-19 cases and a record 173 deaths, including a nine-year-old girl. despite canceling the convention, president trump has called again for schools to

fully reopen in the fall. but at least one school that will not be doing that is st. andrew's episcopal school in maryland, where trump's son barron attends classes. the centers for disease control and prevention issued new guidelines thursday emphasizing the importance for schools to reopen, saying children face social, emotional, and mental risks if kept at home. the cdc guidelines make no reference to the risks teachers and staff will face if schools reopen during a pandemic. nationwide, the numumber of confirmed covivid-19 cases has topppped 4 million and the n nur of caseses has doubled over the past six weeks. another 100000 deaths were reported on thursday, bringing the u.s. death toll to over 144,000. a quarter of the deaths in the world due to covid-19, yet the united states has leless than 5% of the world's population. in international news, south africa has closed its schools for a second a time as coronavirus cases top 40,000.

more than 6000 people have died, the highest total in africa. on thursday, south african president cyril ramaphosa addressed the nation. >> the next few weeks will put our resources and resolve to the test as never before.. i call on all northh africans to remain strong. amy: another 1.4 million people filed for unemployment last week in the united states. it marks the 18th week in a row when more than a million people filed jobless claims in a single week. for the past four months, unemployed workers have received an extra $600 in weekly benefits but that program is about to expire. meanwhile, a four-month moratoririum on evictions unundr the cares act expires today. princeton university's evicictin lab predicts as mamany as 28 million people could be evicted in the coming months. inin immigration news, two whistleblowers at an ice prison in louisiana have revealed officers have knowingly deported immigrants who had temperatures

as high as 103 degrees and likely had covid-19 by deceptively covering up their symptoms. under ice policy, immigrants with temperatures above 99 degrees cannot be deported. but one of the whistleblowers says staff was instructed to blast an air conditioner to "freeze them out" so sick immigrants could pass the temperature check in order to be deported. the u.s. continued to deport thousands of people despite their symptoms, contributing to a rapid spread of covid-19 in central america and haiti. the whistleblowers work at the privately-run richwood correctional center in louisiana where at least 69 people have tested positive. two guards have died. mother jones reports the whistleblowers also allege lasalle corrections, the private prison company that runs richwood, prohibited staff from wearing personal protective equipment, forced guards who likely had covid-19 to work while awaiting for their test results, and regularly exposed healthy prisoners to people who had been exposed. in related news, two filmmakers

who embedded with ice for over two years say the agency threatened to censor parts of their documentary series and agagessively fought to delay its release until after the 2020 election. the filmmakers captured ice agents blind to immigrants to be let into theieir homes. officers illegally picking locks to an apartment building during a raid and agents mocking immigrants after they were apprehended. the docuseries "immigration nation" is set to be released on netflix next month. protests are continuing in portland oregon against racism as well as the deployment of federal officers to the city. on thursday, a federal judge issued a restraining order barring federal officers from using force against journalists and legal observers. meanwhile, the inspector general of the justice department has announced he will investigate the actions of federal forces in poportland as wewell as in washinington, d.c. in newews from capitol hill, 37 democrats joined republicans to pass a $740 billllion military

spending package, a $2 billion increase over last year. president trump had threatened to vo the bill because it includes an endmdmento renename miliry basesamed aft coederate nerals, buthe legislatn was paed by a veto-pof majory. thursda's vo came a y after a majoty of decrats rected a oposal tcut the ntagon's dget by %. inore newsrom capil l hill congressmber alendria ocasio-ctez on trsday to to the u.s. house oor to spond toepublican congremember t yoho afr he caed her af-ing b-rd" on the steps of the capitol earlilr this week. >> this issue is not about one incident. it is cultural. it is a culture of lack of impunity, of accepting the violence and violent language in an entirire structurure apart that supports

that. amy: we will heaear more of f 's fiery address after headlines. china has ordered the united states to shut its consulate in the chengdu as tensions continue to grow between the two superpowers. "the new york times" described it as the most valuable diplomatic outpost for gathering information on tibet as well as xinjiang word china has detained uighur muslims in large camps. earlier this week, the trump administration ordered the closing of china's consulate in houston. meanwhile, china's foreign ministry is accusising u.s. secretary of statate mike popomo of "lalaunchining a new w crusae against china.a." during an address at the richard nixon presidential library, pompeo called on other nations to join the e united statetes to fight ththe "new tyranny" in cha . more thahan 20 former presidenes and d high-level goverernment offificials in latin america h e denounced ececuador for barring the political party of former leftist president rafael correa from next year's election. in an open letter former brazilian presidents luiz inacio "lula" da silva and dilma rousseff and others warn that

the move calls into question the legitimacy of the election. a federal judge has ordered president trump's former attorney michael cohen to be released from prison into hohome confinement after concluding the government was trying to retaliate against him for planning to write a book about trump. the american civil liberties union, which is representing cohen, \said his imprisonment was a "brazen n assault on the first amendment and the rule of law." the sierra club has apologized for the racist views held by the conservationist john muir who founded the e organization in 12 and has been called the "the father of our national parks." sierra club's executivive direcr michael brune wrote this week -- "as defenders of black life pull down confederate monuments across the country, we must also take this moment to reexamine our past and our substantial role in perpetuating white supremacy. it's time to take down some of our own monuments."

meanwhile, planned parenthood of greater new york has announced it is removing margaret sanger's name from its manhattan health center because of her "harmful connections to the eugenics movement." sanger opened the first birth control clinic in the united states in 1916 and later founded the organization that would become planned parenthood. memorials for the late congressman and civil rights icon john lewis will be held over the next week. he will lie in state at the alabama capitol in montgomery and the capitol rotunda in washington. ununprecedented public viewing will also take place outside on the steps of the u.s. capitol. this weekendnd a military honor guard will accompany his body for a final crossing of the edmu pettus bridge iselma, alababama, where he e was almost beenen to deatath in 1965. as he mamarched for voting righ. there is a g growing movement to after johnbridge lewis. admin pettus was a grand dragon

on the ku klux klalan. meanwhile, in virginia, the fairfafax county school l boards voteted to change ththe name ofa local l high school l from robe. lee to johohn r. lewis. in sports news, the nfl's washington franchise has announced it will be temporarily known as the "washington football team" during the 2020 season. last week the franchise retired its olold name, the r-word, aftr years of protests from indigenous people. meanwhile, the cleveland indians baseball team has announced it will consult with native americans as it considers changing the team's name. and major league baseball began a shortened season on thursday with a game between the washington nationals and new york yankees. prior to the game, every player and coach paid tribute to the black lives matter movement by taking a knee and holding a long black ribbon before the game. the initials blm were also stamped on the pitcher's mound. dr. anthony fauci threw out the first pitch. this comes weeks after the start

of the national women's soccer league season when players took a knee during the national anthem. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the e quarante report. the e war and peace report. i'i'm amamy goodman. we begin today's show witith the stunning rebuke delivered by new york congressmember alexandria ocasio-cortez too florida congressmember ted yoho thursday after he was overheard calling the congresswoman from new york an "f-ing b-word" on the steps of the capitol earlier this week. her response came after yoho offered a non-apology from the house floor on wednesday saying, "i cannot apologize for my passion," and never naming ocasio-cortez directly. on thursday, the newew york congresswoman took to the house floor to respond. this is her full fiery address. >> i would like to thank many of

my colleagues for the opportunity to not only speak today but for the many members from both sides of the aisle who have reached out to me in support following an incident earlier this week. i wastwo days ago, walking up the steps of the capital when presented of yoho -- representative yoho suddenly turned a corner and was a company by representative roger williams. a me on the steps right here in front of our nation's capital. i was minding my own business, walking up the steps, and representative yoho put his finger in my face. he called me disgusting. he called me crazy. he called me out of my mind. and he called me dangerous. and then he took a few more recognizedfter i had his comments as rude,e, he walkd

away and said, "i'm reviewed -- i'm rude. you're calling me rude." i took a few steps and walked inside and cast my vote. because my constituents and me here each and every day to fight for them and make sure that they are able to keep a roof over their head, that they are able to feed their family and that they are able to carry their lives with dignity. i walked back out and there were reporters in front of the capital. in front of reporters, representative yoho, a f-ing b-word. these are the words that he levied against a congresswoman. a congresswoman that not only represents new york's 14th congressional district, but every congresssswoman and everyy woman inin this country because all of us have had to deal with this in n some form, some way, some shape at some point in our

lives. i want to be clear that representative yoho's comments were not deeply hurtful or piercing to me because i have worked a working-class job. i have waited tables in restaurants. i h have ridden the subway. i have walked the streets. in new york city. and this kind of language is not new. i have encountered words uttered by mr. yoho and men uttering the same words as mr. yoho while i was being harassed in restaurants. i have tossed men out of bars that have used language like mr. yoho. and i have encounter this tytype of harassment ririding the s suy in n n york ci.. this is not new. and that is the problem. mr. yoho was not alone.

he was walking shoulder to shoulder with representative roger williams. and that is when we start to see that t this issue is not about e incident. it is cultural. it is a cuculture of lack of impunity, of accepting violence and violent language against women, and an entire structure of power that supports that. because not only have i been spoken to disrespectfully, particularly by members of the republican party and elected officials in the republican, not just here, but the president of the united states last year told country home to another , the implication that i don't even belong in america. the governor of florida, governor desantis, before i even was sworn in, called me a "whatever that is." newmanizing language is not

. and what we are saying is that incidents like these are happening in a pattern. this is a pattern of an attitude toward women and dehumanization of others. so while i was not deeply hurt or offended by little comments that are made, when i was reflecting on this, i honestly thought i was just going to pack it up and go home. it is just another day, right? but then yesterday, representative yoho decided to come to the floor of the house of representatives and make excuses for his behavior. and that i could not let go. i could not allow my nieces, i could not allow the little girls that i go home to, i could not

allow victims of verbal abuse, and worse, to see that. to see that excuse, and see our congress accept it as legitimate and accept it as an apology and to accept silence as a form of acceptance. i could not allow that to stand. which is why i am rising today to raise this point of personal privilege. and i do not need representative yoho to apolologize to me. clearlrly, he does not want to. clearly, when given the opportunity, he will not. and i will not stay up late at night waiting for an apology from a man who has no remorse over calling womomen and using abusivee language toward women. but what i do have issue with is using women, our wives and

daughters as shields and excuses for poor behavior. mr. yoho mentioned he has a wife and two daughters. i am two years younger than mr. yoho's youngest daughter. someone's daughter, too. my father, thankfully is not yoho to see how mr. treated his daughter. yoho'ser got to see mr. didisresct on the floor this house on television. and i am here because i have to show my paparents that i am ther daughter and that they did not raise me to accept abuse from men. now, what i am here to say is that this harm that mr. yoho

levied -- tried to levy against me, was not just an incident directed at me. but when you do that to any woman, what mr. yoho did was give permission to o other men o do that to his daughters. using that language in front of the press, he gave permission to use that language against his wife, his daughters, women in his community. and i am here to stand up to say that is not acceptable. needsot care what your are, it doesn't matter how much i disagree or how much i feel that people are dehumanizing others, i will not do that myself. i will not allow people to change and create hatred in our hearts.

thato what i believe is having a daughter does not make a man decent. having a wife does not make a decent man. treating people with dignity and respect makes a decent man. anand when a decent man messes , as we all are bound to do, he tries his best and does apologize. not to save face, not to win a genuinely toogizes repair and acknowledge the harm done so that we can all move on. i want to express to mr. yoho is gratitutude. i want to thank him for showing the world that you can be a

and a cost women. you can have daughters and acost women without remorse. you could be married and a cost women. you cacan take photos and projet an image to the world of being a family man and accost women without remorse and with a sense of impunity. it happens every day in this country. it happened here on the steps of our nations capital. it happens when individuals who hold the highest office in this women and to hurting using this language against all of us. amy: new york conongressmember alexandria ocasio-cortez firing back at florida congressmemember ted y yoho after he e called the congresswoman from new york an f-ing b-wordd, but he actually

used the words. this is democracy now! one congressmemberer after anotr followed aoc to susuppress their susupport fofor her. whenen we comeme back, professor noam chomsky stay with us. ♪ [music break] amamy: this is democraracy now!, dedemocracynow.org, the quararae report. i'm amy goodman. barely 100 days before the

presidential election in november, this week president trump announced he is sending a surge of federal officers into large democrat-run cities like chicago. this comes after trump first set federal agents to portland, oregon, where the camouflage-clad paramilitary agents attacked antiracist protesters and even snatched activists off the streets in unmarked vans. on wednesday night, when federal forces fired tear gas at protesters in portland once again, among those hit was portland mayor ted wheeler, who also serves as portland's police commissioner. the response to trump's outrageous and likely unconstitutional deployment of federal agents has been resoundingly critical. oregon governor kate brown denounced the "secret police abducting people," and oregon attorney general has now sued several of the federal agencies involved. in the streets, a contingent of women has grown nightly, protecting protesters by forming

a wall of moms. oregon senator ron wyden described the federal agents as "essentially fascist," and warned -- "if the line is not drawn in the sand right now, america may be staring down the barrel of martial law in the middle of a presidential election." well, for more on this and much more, we spend the rest of the hour with noam chomsky, the world-renowned political dissident, linguist, and author, laureate professor in the department of linguistics at the university of arizona and prprofessor emeritusus at massachusetts institute of technology, where he taughght fr more than 5050 years. nermeen shaikh and i on thursday. i began by asking him to respond to the surge of federal agents trump is promising to unleash. >> president trump is desperate.

attention is o one issusue on his mind, t the elec. he has to cover up for the fact that he is personally responsiblble for killing tens f thousands of ameriricans. its impossible toto conceal that much longer.. compare e the united states with europe or canada, it is becoming a pariah state to the point where americans weren't even permitted to travel to europe. victory depend on his doing something dramatic. he was trying very hard to set confrontations that

you mentioned, martial law. it is moving toward martial law. he might even be able to try to cancel the electionsns. there is s no telling what he woululd do. he is completely desperate. of somelikeke the actions in a smalltorr country that has a military coup every couple of f years. there is no historical precedent for anything like this in a functionining demomocratic soci. if you could send black shirts out in the streets, he would be happy to do that. exactly how this will eventuate is very hard to say. the courts are unlikely to do anything. we may even get to a point where the military command has to

decide which side they are on. the man is desperate. he is psychotic. danger ofxtreme losing his position in the white house and will do anything g he cacan to prevent it.t. nermeen: p professor chohomsky,t youu s said echoeded the concerf senator r ron wyden that we maye -- u.s.s. may be headd toward te imposition of martial law. you just call trump is psychotic, previously having referred t to him asas a sociop. and pointed to the differences between -- the massive differences between n biden and trump when we had you on earlier this year, saying about biden that he is pretty emptyty, you n push him one way or ananother. and you''ve also saidid this ise most crucial e election in human history, litererally. in fox news interview just on sunday, trump refused to cocommt

to accepting the outcome of the 2020 election. pres. trump: i don't like to lose. >> [indiscernible] pres. trump: i don't think you know into the sea. i think mail-in will rigged electionon. >> re: suggestion you'll except the results? pres. trump: hillary clinton asked me the same thing. nermeen: could you c comment on that and what your concerns are in at the event -- you just said the election somehow could be canceled. could you talklk about under wht conditions trump might b be able to do that and in the event they are not canceled, what are your concerns depending on the outcome of the vote what trump might do? maneuversre various that theoretically they might undertake. one might be to try to throw the

election -- to refuse to accept the vote to make e sure t the republan governors don't auauthorize their ownn electors. is is routine -- technicly, they could refuse. could throw it to the housee where there is enough republicans in the house to essentially turn the election of farce that you depotas i said, in some dictatorship. that is one possibility. another possibility is he just mig tryht oppose martial law. the point is he cannot lose. first of all, he is

psychologically incapable of losing. loses, leavese the white house, he might be legal problems. now he has immunity, but there is a whole swamp around him. he has tried to keep it from being investigated. he fired all the inspectors beginningen they were to investigate. federal attorney for the southern district of new york, wall street, and someone, the most importatant -- startrted looking into it, fired a and the privateimim with equity indusustry. there is nothing he would not try to do to maintain office. vivirtually nonothing you can tk of. this is a major crisis. other --s been one or parliament or r democracy y for0 years from england, 250 years

here. nothing like thihis has happened beforere. whore dealing with a f fure is out of the political spectrum for a functioning democracy. as a political party behind him which by now has just turned into a cowardly sycophant. they are terrified across his imperial majesty. he is a popular base of heavily angry white supremacist militias. there is no telling what he would do. -- byk the country november, it may be a different country. a different world. but that is kind of the immediate issue. the reason why this is the most important election in history

has nothining to do o with this. trump'se years of climatee policies and nuclear policies might simply doooom the human species, literally. we don't have a lot of time to deal with the e environment or crisis. it is very serioious. every predictition that has been made by scientists has been to coconservative. each time it comeses out worse. i won't run through the details but it is a major catastrophe looming. we have some time to deal with it also four more years of trurp might -- will takeke us to irreversible tipping points. at the very leasast, it wiwill e it much harder to confront this growing crisis.

there is no stopping the polar ice caps, ice sheets from melting. the amazon forest from being destroyed. large parts of the world might become simply unlivable. we are talking about pototential sea rises of maybe one or twtwo feet by the end of the century. much more, later. this is catatastrophic. of how humanceive society can survive in an organized way. at the same time, trump is dedicated to destroying the arms control regime. last august he terminated the reagan-gorbachev inf treaty, which helped controrol the potential for nuclear war growing from european conflflic.

now he has dismantled the open skies treaty that goes back to eisenhower. that is gone. demandsmposed frivolous to try to delay negotiations on the new start treaty, which the russians have been pleading for for a long time. this is due for renewal in a few momonths. may alreadady be too late to negotiate it. the last of the arms control treaties he is now threatening to carry out nuclear weapons would- tests that undermine the comprehensive test ban treaty almost 30 years. the united states never ratified it, but itit has lived up to it. all of this openens the door wir for other countries to react the

same way. the arms industry, of course, is euphoric. there g getting huge neww contrs and devevelop major weapons too destroy alall of us. this encourages others to do the sasame. so there are new contracts down the road for hopeless s means so try to defend ourselves against the monstrosities we're helping to construct. this is trump raising toward --s, currently enjoying it you can't describe it in normal the normal term use, sociopath, is perfectly accurate , whether this can be contained within the constitutional structures of the united states, we don't know. something similar to this happened in the united kingdom a couple of months ago.

boris johnson, the prime parliamentlosed the so that he could ram through his version o of brexit. this was regarded by british legal experts as the worst crisis in 350 years. well, in britain, the supreme court nullified it. it is unlikely to happen here. i might say there is another country that is s trying to mimc the uniteded states, brazil, wih another rididiculous dictator, jair bolsonaro, who's trying to be a clone of trump. he was being investigated by -- he and his family involved in all kinds of sorted criminal activities, came under investigation. investigators.

that was blocked by the courts in brazil. not here. ,hen trump fired them all nothing from the courts. nothing from the republicans in congress. brazil at least has a thin barrier to another military dictatorship. the united states is in worst shape. this is pretty serious. there's been nothing like it. there is no precedent that has any real relevance. nermeen: professssor chomsky, yu mentioned again now the lack of safeguards there are in the u.s. to the possible imposition of martial law but even in other countries around the world were martial law has been declared, it requires minimally the compliance of ththose who are en chcharge of the e military..

do you see those in n the u.s. going along with trump in the event he chooses to attempt to declare martial law? i say, there is no precedent for this in any minimally f functioning democra. fhere are countries, , many them, where the military has taken n over thahat often with . susupport or even initiative -- overthrorow the civilian government. and nothining like t this hass a aside from the fascist regimes, or resesumes under different conditions. there's no precedent. there was, as you recall,l, coue of weeksks ago press reportsts h headlines about trump is expanding this pupurge of the

executive, which has almost been oransed of any controls dissident voices, extending this to try to purge the military. atl, there were speculations the time that the purge of the military might be preparation to bring the try military in to carry out something which would amount to a military coup. the military so far has been refusing. pulled out the 82nd airborne from washington after trump wanted in there. rejecting the proposals from the white house for more force and violence. thatat is why he is resorting to the forces outside the mililitay in hisis current campaign to set

confrontations in cities plan right now. what the military would do, we don't know. precedents inr third world dictatorships, it at theepend on how those colonel level would react. people in close contact with troops. but we have no precedent for anything like this. there's nothing like it. situation innique modernrn history. in the modern history of the democratic, moralist of aquatic society. amy: m.i.t. professor emeritus noam chomsky, linguist, author, activist. when we come back, i asked h him about president trump w writing about acing a cogninitive teseso

dementia. all of that and more, in a minute. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm m amy goodman. withe spepending the hour noam chomsky, world-renowned political dissident, linguist, and author, laureaeate professor in the department of linguistics at the university of arizona and professor emeritus at massachusetts institute of technology, where he taught for more than 50 years. he spoke with nenermeen shshaikd i onon thursday. noam chomsky, i wanted to play for you what president trump said on fox news about the cognitive test he recently took, saying it was difficult. pres. trump: i took a test. i said t to the doctor, dr. rony jackson, is there some kind of a test, acuity test? he said, there is, and named it, whatever it might be. it was 30 or 35 questions. the first ones are easy. the last questions are much more difficult. like a memory question.

you will gogo person, woman, man, camera, tv. so there was a, can you repeat that? i said, yeah. so it is person, woman, man, camera, tv. ok, that is very good. amy: president trump saying he aced this test for dementia. he keeps talking about acing this cogninitive test. a test that is given to see if someone is sufuffering fromm dementia, some kind of cognitive difficulties. this is not an iq test. he continually g goes back to i, even when told, are asking to identify a an elephant, you are being asked to draw a clock, two seven's.ck from 100 by this is a test to see if a

person is becoming senile.e. is the united states being run by a madman, noam chomsky? givenyoyou say, the test is for dementia, a serious mental illness.s. but what can y you say about a speakingo before before an adoring crowd, raises his eyes to heaven and calls himself the chosen one? what do you say about an administration where the secretary of state says, perhaps trump has been sent but the good iraran?save israel from the country y is being run by a madman. there is no parallels t to this. in fact, y you can see it in everythihing that is happening. you go back to late marcrch or ,

the united states was about the same a as europe in the numberrf covid-19 cases and deaths. it was roughly the same. take a look at the chart cents. declined. sharply it is not over the problems, not doing as well as asia. remainsed states stable. you look at the medical journals , they point out trump's and competence, whatever, just like of concern for the welfare of the population has killed maybe 100,000 people. pretty significant slaughter. that is why he is flailing around wildly to find somebody to blame it t on. that is why he is using the

current opportuninity to send because i military forces, moree upless p paramilitarary, to set the violent c confrontations wih democratic mayors and governors. and there's no precedent for fororces totitarizeded oppositionity in when there is total opposition on the part of theayor, the governor, the senators -- obviously, the population -- treating the country like occupy territory. a clear purpose of trying to set up confrontations which will somehow save him from electoral defeat. and if there is defeat, he may

just refuse to leave the white house, as he intimated on fox news the other day, in which case you really have to ask, what happens next? does the military move in and whene him or what hapappens our militia starts surrounding the white house? we don't know. this is a situation which has never arisen in a functioning fascisty aparart from the takeovers in italy and germany, some other countries. , even bys sometimes experts in the top coal, moving toward fascism. i think, frankly, that gives him much too much credit. fascism was a serious ideology. i think it is well beyond his concern. this is more like a minor

country that small is subjected to o militaryry cos over the years. there is no conception of introducing real fascist ideology. in fact, some ways w we are almt the opposite of it. the fascist systems were e based on the principle that the powerful state under the leadership of the ruruling party and leader should basically contntrol everythining. they should run and control society, including t the busines community.y. we are almost t the opposisite. it is the business community controlling the government. on their infringementt to a kind of lead almosttationn that is unimaginable.

so i don't think it is fascism, essentially d dictatorship. and he is desperate. full do anything -- almost anything imaginable to try t to keep himimself from m being tosd out of the white house. , we don'tventntually know. but it is going g to be very difficult couple of months. amy: you talk about those in power, noam chomsky, profiting enormously now. you have goldman sachs reporting over $2.44 billion in secondnd-quarter profifits. a new study by americansns for x fairness found u.s. billionaires have added $584 billion to their personal wealth since mararch. that is a greater amount than the budget shortfalls of 23 u.s. states. they are making these profits in

the midst of the pandemic. on the one hand when you need stimulus packages to help those who are being crushed, who are soon to be evicted, when we are talking about economic situation, the unemployed to a level we have not seen since the great d depression, you write about this and speak about this. how do people dig g themselves out? what needs to happen right now in this ununtry, no? >> what you're describining is e way, a kind of -- the country is in kind of a parody of the way itit usually runs. runs a country essentially by the cororporate sector, which has overwhelming influence on the governmnment. which describeses quite correct the kind of symbolized by

richest man in the world, jeff bezos, who made $13 billion in single day, just running wild of using the trump a and the administration using the cover increasendemic to their dedication to enriching the very rich and the corporate sector who are, of course, eating it up. they love it. imagine military industry. that is another example. you might regarded as a last-ditch effort to try to rule ofhe maximal powere willful corporate running parallel to the mitch campaign to pack the judiciary top to bottom with

federalistbrightht society lawyeyers who will make- be ablble to make sure that t no matter what the public wants, nothing but t their ultra reactionary policicies will ever bebe able to be implemented fort least t a generation. they are rununning on.'s to tryo maintain -- all stopsps to try o maintain what they havee succeeded in largely getting to thee euro liliberal period the t four yeaears, enormous concentration o of wealth, concentration of political por, general population declining even to the point where there is an increase in mortality in the last for years among working age

people, white working age men and women, mostly menen, some women. nothing like this happens in functioning developed societies. wellepublicans know very they are the mininority party. trump, i in fact, pointed out nt long ago if it were fair elections, the republicans would never when n political office. for auntry is basically, long t time, has pretty y much n a one-partyy state, the business paparty, two factions. theyave changed over time. the last several decades putting , extensivelyngrich since mcconnellll, thee republis have gone off the spectrum, the polilitical spectctrum. look at international rankings. ranked alongside european

partieies with neofascist backgrounds. theoristsanalysts s and would describe them as radical insurgencycy that has abandoned parliamentary politics. we talked a couple of days agogo if greg pallalas, who is interesting work has shown the extent to which they're desperately trying to purge electoral lists to p preventnt e wrong pepeople from voting, so somehow they can hang on. all of this is happening parallel along with what you described, mamassive enrichchmef the superrich and the cororporae sector under t the cover of the pandemic. every couple of days, some other execututive decision or r decisn clones,f the corporate

corporate figures trump placed in charge of the various , passing further legislation to smash the public in the face and enrich the rich, like cutting back pollution course, is, which, of great for the cold companies -- they are hanging on by a thread, but we can keep them going longer to cause maximal destruction to organized human society. also the pollution which right in the middle of a respiratory pandemic, increasing pollution, of course, maximizes deaths. and it is selective. it is the people who live near the polllluting factories. who are they? the people who can't afford to liveve anywhere else. you u don't see goldman sachshs executives living there. what

you see is poor, black, hispanic , puerto ricans. they are the ones who will take the brunt of it. they are already suffering much woworse from ththe pandem.. this wilmakeke it worsrse. w whatd of similar to you see in brazil where bolsonaro is quite happy to see the indigenous populatations of the amazazonian region are facig literaral genocide. first from destruction of the pandemic.w from the many of them live hundreds of miles from the nearest golf station. the legal loggers come in can spread the pandemic that i. do you think bolsonaro minds? should beey eliminated. he said so. we don't need those people, so let's get them altogether. so let's get rid of the people living near the pollututing

industries. who needs them? they are the wrong color. this is something hapappening in the world. unparalleled inin modern history. again with the single exception of the true fascist states and develop society. there are e no words to descscre itit. amy: noam m chomsky, world-renowned political disissident, linguist, and auauthor, laureate professor in the department of linguistics at the university of arizona and professor emeritusus at massachusesetts institute of technology, , where he taught fr more than 50 yearsrs. next weeeek we will bring you me of noam chchomsky. that does it f for our broadcas. if you would like to get our 66.ily, 668

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