annette: hello, and welcome back to the "france 24" newsroom.m. i am annette young. we begin in berlin, where agencies e express concern over rising virus numbers in the country. this as authorities issued a travel warning for northern parts of spain. germany, having fared better than many of its european neighbors in suppressing covid-19, but authorities are urging its citizizens to not squander the progress, following a spike in numbers in recent weeks.s. right to nick spicer

and berlin. to makepressure is on sure countries keep a handle on any uptick in cases. well, i think we are seeing more of the vigilance that really characterized the german response right from the beginning. they are always trying to b be ahead of things. what we heard was from the leading health institute, which essentially sets government ,olicy, or set in large part 557 cases per day, weekly, at the beginning of dueling -- of june, it was 350. accordingat concern to the head of the robber cog institute, to maintain handwashing, where face masks outside if you cannot keep 1.5 meters away from other people. it could not quite exactly say

what the precise causes were of this uptick, but he said that the out to -- upticks were more , like like in slaughter they are having at weddings now, at open air gatherings, and equally happening in workplaces and found amongst germans returning from holidays abroad. annette: which brings us, nick, to the announcement about travel to spain. what exactly are the authorities saying? the f foreign ministry put t aa statement, which wass ququite short, sayiying that you need to basically avoid, they are calling on p people to avoid catalonia,ns of aragon, and navarre, and they are also at the same time, this was inin the past few days, offering f free taxis s to the airports for those who come home. around 11 million german tourists visis spain every year. 11 million f french tourists s t

spain every year a as well. 18 million british tourists, i know you will be sayaying thahat later. it iss sad newews for germans wo love to gogo to spain, and i thk we will perhaps be looking at a glint on vacation elsewhere now. annette: nick spicer, thanks for that. as nick was telling us, spanish prime minister pedro sanchez makes clear what he thinks about the u.k. putting that quarantine on travevelers coming from his country. he says "the u.k. has made e a mistake," and sanchez also saying he had no warning of the impending measure and is now in contact with the british authorities to try to persuade them to change their minds. mary agon key reports. waveid fears of a second of coronavirus concerns in europe, new concerns about a second wave of economic hardship, especially as it relates to the prime minister.

a 14-day quarantine on all travelers returning from spain, including against canary island from the m measure. pm sananchez: [spspeaking spanish] >> madrid said it was blindsided by the u.k.'s decisioion, complaining it was given no heads up. sayritish tourists, too, they were taken by surprise. many returning from spain said they were not t given enough notice, turning their return plans into chaos. >> to o telus at t the last mine that we have to going to quarantine, it is not very good, so i have got to go home, and we

have got to lock ourselvlv in the house for two weeks. >> people expect things, you know, events when they have gone refunded t they righthtly for that. it is going to cause massive problems for people. 9 >> but it is the spanish economy that likely stands to lose the most from the u.k.'s move. tourism accounts for 11% of spain's gross to mastic product, and last year, britain's made up over 1/5 of spain's foreign visitors. news,e:annette: in other former malaysian prime minister najib razak has been found guilty in a corruption trial. he has pleaded not guilty to the breach of criminal just -- trust, money-laundering, and abuse of power. the new government is unable to uphold the rule of law, however, the verdict could be overturned on appeal.

unityempt to form a government and mallett two and a political crisis has bebeen rerejected by the country's opposition. more massith antigovernment demonstrations in the w weeks ahead. neighboring west african leaders have been calling foror a unity government and aoo beenn at protests held back in june, which had demanded the removal of its president, ibrahimm boubacar keita. been 2013,eita has facing h huge challenges, including an eight-year jihadis revolt and a slumping economy. mayors, all democrats, are urging congress to halt president trump''s deployment of federal forces to their cities, saying the move has escalated tensions at antiracism protests. the six have been cacalling on congress to make sure the actions and federal agents are unlawful.

this is amid accusations of people being unnecessarily tear gassed and even snatched off the ststreets. unrepentant.ains he has already sent at least 100 extra agents to the oregonian city of portland. joining me now is ourur international affairs commentator douglas herbert. doug, this is not the first time the forces have beenen disispatd to american cities, but fair to say there is something very different ththis time around. douglalas: no matter how y you k at this, annette, this is an aberrational force o of federal forces and domestic services in cities. in the past, when it has happened, federal forces have coming either at the request of local authorities, who are unable to handle domestic situations in their own cities on the ground, or because the reality and facts on the ground from what was happening really warranted more muscular force, federal force. in this case, trump is accused of essentially creating chaos.

that is, creating conflict which he then is able to use as a rallying point for his own reelectionbid. as we know, he is a president who has heart campaigned on law and order, as he sees it, and he wants to depict the opposition and especially those lily livered weak at democrats, as he sees it, as people who would allow pay to envelope the country and cities. when has forced been used in the past? under reconstruction in the civil war, 186518 six 27, they were deployed in the american 1867, they865 to were deployed in the american south because they were needed. in 1957, y yes, dwdwight eisenhr deployed federal forces to get black kids to be able to enter white schools because the governor of the state would not do it himself. they were warranted at that time. 1965, the marsh that we have been talking about recently, john lewis was part of it, from selma to montgomery, alabama,

civil-rights march, rejected the alabama, the national state guard was deputized federally in order to protect the marchers. it was warranted, because the state police were not going to let the march. they beat them up. donald trump is not doing that right now. the reason he is doing this, and sowcritics' view, is to division, to pit an image of an america spiraling out of controrol, i.e. an america led by "those democrats," far-left in arcus, your security, our national scaredy will not be protected. i will just point out that in oregon, in portlanand, oregon, where all of ththis started, th images being shown on tvtv is a very small part of the downtown around the courthouse. the oregonian newspaper wrote about hohow much of the citity s absolutely fine. the images are very effective on television political he, especially on trump's favorite news channel, fox news. people watching the news channel see a city in flames. it is like we had paris burning,

and the riots in 2005, everyone thought paris was up in flames. same thing, it works well for his base, and it works for well for his pitch right now, but he is creating more division and chaos. annette: put some protesters are rather concerned, aren't they, that people are losing the original reasons of taking to the streets, and that of course, you know, and demanding police reform and racial justice. douguglas: absolutely, and thiss where it gets complicated, and you are right. this is not a black and white issue, excuse using the pond there, in the sense that yes, there is some damage, there is some violence on the fringes of these protests. it is not being made out, but this is where it gets complicated, because you're right, the protests are now in their 60th day in portland, and they have spread to other citities, as you mentioned. these protests were originally about fighting police reform, fighting for racial justice, and many of the protesters themselves see themselves losing focus, because all of the coverage now is being hijacked is what they see as a very

handful, a few people who are, at times, being violent, who are creating those images, those chaotic images that play into trump's campaign. they are very much trying to claim back these protests and the original purpose, and that original purpose was peaceful protest in favor of racial justice. annette: this is the key that i think many of us forget in the midst of a global pandemic to duy are less than 10100 dayss away from a u.s.s. presidedentil election. how is this playing out for donald trump? douglas: i have the pessimistic or cynical take -- i it is playg ouout for him pretty welell so . yes, there has been a backlash righght now. a lot of these local mayors are saying we never asked for these federal troops. we don't want them. they are making these protests -- they are enenergizing them ia more violent way, they are making the more violently chcharged. but the protest, donald trump's lalaw and order messagege is becoming a self-fulflfilling prophecy. you are creating decisions which

are antagonizing the protesters and, yes, lead to extra acts of violence. it could play out in his favor, because then he can say, "i told you so. look at the violence," violence which his sending of the troops, credits would say, -- critics and i believe it will play out in campaign ads in the weeks and months to come. annette: because it is all about optics, isn't it? thank you for that, douglas herbert. a a fallen display of bipartisan unity, congressional leaders have praised john lewis as "a nation,"ce for the peng shuai by the recorord voice -- punctuated by the recorded voice of the late civil-rights icon. nancy pelosi calling him "the conscience" of the congress. georgia congressman as a model of cordage and a peacemaker. the ceremony the latest in a

series after he died in july at the age of 80. that is it for this edition. do stay with us here on "f"frane 24." ♪ hello and welelcome to the "france 24" interview. our guest today is nathan law, one of hong kong's most prominent activists. he has been leader of the since theacy movemement 202014 so-called umbrellaa movement. he cofounded the pro-democracy organization with joshua wong and angus chow. he has been leading the opposition to a new national security law imposed by china. he has decided to leave hong kong, just as the national

security law was adopted. why did you decide to leave hong kong and go to the united kingdom? it is i important that we understand under international lalaw, there havae bebeen calls foror us to contine the progressive active lisicki -- efficacy workrk in hong kong regardining international efficacy, so we e need to have a vovoice overer hong kong that is recognizablele by the public for me as a public figure on an international level, doing efficacy work is important. >> august ament and some of the well-known activists who decided to remain in hong kong, like joshua wong, was a collegial decision. did you decide that some have to say, some have to go? was it a personal decision, because maybe you feared what would happen to you if you continued your activities in hong kong? nathan: well, it is a personal decision, but also joshua and i,

we have e talked about it, we he with each othther's dedecision. we think it is imporortant thate recognize the different t front, the prprotests i in hong kong ad other application workrks, we nd some prominent figures to play that role. >> right. i mean, isn't this a last fight, in a way? china has been able to impose this law and essentially its rule now on hong kong. aren't you fearing that, you know, whatever you guys have been doing, it is not enough, because china is a superpower and wants s to imposose its wiln hong kong?g? course, theheof back-andnd-forth between hong kg and china it is just like david versusus goliath, but that isise reason why we needed the help, e ,eed the world to join togetherr the community, the democratic value must t ncur with ouour inherent values, that is

important,t, the insight from hg kong. >> is there still hope for one country, two system mechanism, or is this now finished? and is the fight to be a different one? withn: well, o of course, the imimplementation of national and security law, we witnessese the end of one country, two systems. ththe international front is ourrtant that we stress democracy, what hong kong people deserve, and china is bound to really implement those policies to hong kong. so i think even the one country, but wetems is ended, also have to continuously remind the world d that china is violating that treatyty, and we are fighting for what we are supposed to enjoy. >> right. your advocacy work has included meeting with the u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo just very recently in london. we have seen the rhetoric

escalate between washington and beijing over a number of issues. we have seen consulates being shut down, and obviously this opens the way for chinese to potentialally being a a u.s. puppet. what i is your responsnse? chinesewell, t the government has b been launchinia smear campaign against me for years. this is not the first time. i do not have any collusion with enforcers. i am not receiving any funders from them. i am just representing a lot from the hong kong people who are in a supportive our economy and democracy, so for me meeting these people, meetiting these politicians, including the foreign secretatary -- secretyy and thee u.k. . and others isise voice of hohong kong g people ad streressed thehe demands that ty cannotot meet on the ground, so for m me, i am just trying to me

sure that t our message is being dedelivered in the international space, and i am not afraid of the internet or being framed by the chinese government. >> right. what was the u.s. response from mike pompeo? i mean, did you have the impression that he was really listening and willing to act? we have seen the u.s. and other countries take some specific, concrete steps on the issue of hong kong. do you think that things are changing? supposedell, i am not to reveal any details of the meeting, but them email -- the meeting was s very constructive, very positive, and if you assess that trend from the reaction of the u.s. from recent weeks, there will be an escalation in terms of functctioning, in terms of getting more policy on the ground, to get more to china, that phenomenal is nott

reststricted o only in the u.s.t also in the u.k., , and europe, even in japan, where we also see that trend. >> right. toiously you are referring decisions by several countries, the latest being new zealand, to suspend its extradition treaty with hong kong. this has been done already of course by the u.s. but also by australia, by britain, by canada. its, china responded, that would come itself, suspend similar agreements on assistance for criminal matters, including extradition with those countries. are you satisfied with those steps, or are you hoping for more, including sanctions against regime dignitaries, for instance? nathan: welell, of couourse, the reactions of the world really shshows thahat the rule of law d hong kong is n no longer getting support from the interernational

cocommunity. noo course ththe country is longer implementnt in its cacancellation or suspensnsion f the treaty, also t they should also consider r to realllly sann indidividuals who are responsibe for the human rights violation in hong kong and seeining post-d-deterrentnt effects on ca and d the officials, so i think that kind of action would be more and more in the future. >> right. but don't you fear if there is indeed, as some describe it, a new cold war between the u.s. and china, this could hurt your caususe? nathan: w well, i think that kid of containment that wewe have in the last centutury is no lonong- the world i is sogo -- globalizd and ininterconnected. we have course can see in t ters of the division of thehe values, will l extend too these

values and really trying to hold each other accountable. for me, it t is importantnt thaf we are imposing democrat values, we are proposing thehe defense f democracy. it would be beneficiaial for hog kong, because we are fighting for the same cause. >> right. from your impressions of how the corporate world is reacting, the general population in hong kong, aren't you afraid d that they wl make a very, i would say, realistic assessment, saying ok, we don't really have a choice, they are the new rulers. the west is sending nice messages, but our daily lives will be ruled by beijing, and so we have essentially to put up with this. wheneverwell, i think there is repression, a and there is resistance, i think thahat is mortal of hong kong, so maybe peopople are realistic, but that is exactly, because they are

and it will not be better compared to whahat they have now. so definitely, people,e, i thin, they also consider this reality, but they will continue to fight. >> right. maybe think that china is too confident or at least projecting confidence, because their tensions with the u.s., of course, over taiwan, you mentioned that uighur issues, trade tensions, hong kong, and, in a way, you are thinking that china is n not as strtrong as we presume it to be. nanathan: well, definitely.y. isould not say china competent, butut they are very, very aggressive. , i cannotst fefew years

imagine a worse diplomatic recessions, and it shows how reckleless they are and how, we, unplanned they are for everything. india,, messing up with in the south china sea, and in in theng, shane john, u.s., and elsewhere, and they are really makingg it about beig surrounded by a lot of, well, lots of problems. so i think, for now, it is important that we understand reaction of diplomatic is no longer working, and for them, they should reaeally self asse a and to rereally fix their human rights problem, to restore confidence and trust in the international community. >> and the conclusion, i know you are heading into -- the u.s. is heading into the next presidential election. we have seen tensions rise between washington and china.

arare you concerned that your cause could be the hostage of the forthcoming u.s. election? bothnan: well, i think, for aisles, they havave agreed that hong kong is an important issue, and, to be honest, hong kong could only be one of the verery rare issues that they could reach a consensus. i don't think the hong kong issue would be like a decision or like a hostage between two countrieies, but i truly believe that whoever is elected as the president of the united states, then they y will continunue to prpressure beijing and to defend democracy. >> nathan law, that is all we have time for. i want to thank you very much for appearing here on the "france 24" interview, and i want to thank you for watching it. ♪ wee truly are living through extraordinary times.

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