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over nineteen cases in france continue to slowly rise as dozens of cities nationwide begin making face masks mandatory in public even when outdoors. italy inaugurates a new bridge in the city of january two years after the former viaduct. of violent thunderstorms leaving forty three people dead. and spanish media report former king juan carlos the first has left spain and gone into exile the former leader is facing an investigation. for corruption.
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thank you for joining us here on france twenty fourur. for the second time in a week the number of people intensive care units for cove in nineteen in france has risen that number nonow at three hundred and eighy four including twenty nine new admissions in the past twenty four hours. despite the recent uptick in corona virus cases in recent weeks the governmentt has can it continue to say this is not the dreaded second wave. but on monday prime ministers don't guess takes visited the northern city of lille urging the nation to keep its guard up. local give me a local and national governments are struggling to find a balance between encouraging citizens to boost the economy by taking holidays. and avoiding another lockdown. for more let's go live to durham north carolina to speak to gavin you gave me was the director of the center for policy impact. on global health and public policy at duke university. thank you for joining us- as we've just said authorities are struggling to find a balance. between reviving the- in avoiding tuition where the virus begins to spread out of control. do you think walking this fine
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line will be feasible in the medium term and ifif so for how longng. thanks very much for having me. back on your show look i think that the first rule all. v viral economics if you like is. you've got to control the virus right y you cacalled boost the economy. transmission of the virus. is out of contntrol so the best thing that you can do for your economy. is to make sure people are not being infected. now some countries have decided that t that's their priority and they've made it their strategy is so cold. going zero strategy if you like. where they brought community transmission. all covered nineteen. down to practically zero places like new zealand taiwan. i think scotland is getting very close. to almost eliminating community transmission. under those circumstances. well then it
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becomes a lot more feasible. to reopen the economy. having said that you still want to take precautions will ever. will a- ski one the b body so usually just. and we now know who because we know a lot more. violence today. say six months ago. going to a whole. being sign. in holy ventilated places into. look well we decide to open up struggles involved. at least let you rest. ththis so. those close we- need to be taking. so you're my second question scene am in the city of m. c. for people test positive kobe nine. after just a way. last month is this going to be the future the pandemic in the gift in weeks and months- be e sort of super spreader events where they're just weddings and parties in. closing fire. yes so again the in the early days of covered
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nineteen you will or you will remember so much of the focus. was on potentially picking up the virus from touching surfaces or opening your mail. we now know that the risk of that is actually much lower than we thought. we now know on the other hand that the risk of ad bold transmission is greater than we initially thought. the world health organization is still saying. the greatest risk is from a large droplets right and that's- the reason for the true need to rule if someone is infected. and they call for the sneeze those large droplets shouould fall to the ground within two meters. however we also know that they're all small. holes carry the virus. is reading it the we've seen in places i church will karaoke balls all offices is more likely to do with these aerosols and that's why it's so important that people start to
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get the message that being inside particularly imported into space even slated spaces around other people large numbers of people without mosques and it is it is a high risk situation i'm particularly worried of course about the reopening of colleges and universities including here in the united states. because i worry that some classrooms well not well ventilated i'm worried that not every student is going to be enough a well fitting mollusk and some lessons can last hours and hours and i think those could pototentially be super sporting events are a very very quickly because we don't have much time we saw a hundred fifty thousand students return to school in one region of germany- that this monday what needs to bebe done to keep thosee children safe. okay the first thing and i'm sorry to sound like a stuck record to get the best thing you can do for safety is to bring down community transmission if you look at the places that reopened. schools colleges and
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universities safely they bust brought down community transmission if you've done that then they're all the precautions that must be in place you on a small class sizes by daily if possible. teach outside ventilation everybody in the mosque teachers in in a full protective equipment. that you want good sanitation you want hand washing. all of those precautions should be in place the greatest risk of course is that children transmitted to teachers to other stuff the bus drive into the community i'm not too you should be thinking about. a possible those all right. thank you very much for your insight director of the center for policy impact on global health and public policy at duke. university thank you for your time. now to it'lll where it's been almost exactly two years since the bridge collapsed in the city of genoa and left forty three people that it was one of the country's worst disasters in decades. but earlier this monday prime minister joseph because he was able to inaugurate the new rules one kilometer long viaduct a key
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arteryor the porort city.y. located in the northwest of italy but monday's inauguratatin was ovevershadowed when severarl of the victims family memembers. decided to boboycott the eventnt they say they hopee attttention will stay focused on the criminal investigation. into the collapse but it's still under way france twenty four josephine mckenna is in general. she sent us this updatete. itit was ann emotionay for the people of genoa. marking the opening of this new bridge just two years since the collapse of the mararandi bridge killed forty three people. now ththe families of those victims were adamant they did not want to take part i in the ceremony. so the italian p president s seo mattttarella met them in privat. and told them that the pain would not be forgotten. but for many people here in genoa and indeed across easily. this new bridge is a remarkable achievementt and something for eaeasily to be proud of. it w ws constructed-d- by teams of f ard a thousand workers they worked three shifts a day twenty four
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hours a day to complete this bridge. that stretches acrososs ththe city one thousand matias nineteen pylons. thousands o of tonsns of steel and cononcrete.d it's also fitted with- robotic senses that are designed to increase this the security and the surveillance of this bridge. it will carry sixty thousand vehicles a day and it's expected to really re launch this city open it up once again- for trade and tourism particularly betweween france ad the rest of the european union. so today is really a significant day and- many italiansre hopingg that this bridge will be a model for. other projects across easily for new infrastructure projects and an opportunity to improve the maintenance of other bridges and roads- that have suffered. in recent years. the former king of spain juan carlos the first is leaving the
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country that is according to a letter published on the royal family's website the eighty two year old has been under investigation for his involvement in a high speed rail contract in saudi arabia. swiss newspaper let's keeping doingg that reported he hadd receiveded one hundred million dollars from late saudi king king abdullah without declaring that money to spanish authorities france twenty four sarah morris. has more from madrid. that being the court said the spanish- press a for a few weeks now that- the king. juan carlos the former king might make some kind of gesture because- the policy is. which of course is run now by king phillippppi the six- was pretty embarrassed by those allegations as well as the- a socialist led government to the suggestion the press was that. one carlos leaving the country and leaving the royal palace i might be a way out. the people of course wanted him to go for the one to do at the ending all of the monarchy wanted some kind of referendum but the
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statement. of the policies issued today says that token kwan carlos i will be leaving there's no suggestion of where exactly he's going to be leaving spain for the moment. and he says the reason is in light of the public repercussion hi this certain past events of my private life a generating. that said that to. the six is paid up published to receive from his father and he says he respects his. decision and he- sounded the king. has left a historic legacy and come you. a this to. the guy to them moment. remaining so. on but of course this is s having a ramification- throughout to spain.n. backing mall it showed the government to- do the phillippi the six of coururse actually ended a stiped that to one college is receiving. three p. to o distane himself from his. phone i'm
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from. that is your news for now back in under minutes another. to hello and welcome to the france twenty four interview i'm r. a. dundas. now my guest today warns of a planet with the economy has collapsed the aries on breathable and new diseases have been unleashed. a planet no l longer fit for humas that's the green scenario david wallace wells did peaks in he's- brutal portrait of climate change in the book. the uninhabitable earth eight story of the future also deputy editor of new york magazine it's a pleasure to welcome david wallace w wells to the front twenty four studios thanks for being here. now this book is often described as a call to action david wallace wells journalist or activist i think of myself as a journalist and i think of the book as a work of journalism which is to say i think i it's main job. is
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to describe the state of the science and then to o get beyond the science little bit into what we know or can start to think. about how human life beyond climate impacts will be changed by dramatic climate change so not just what earth- what he waves and natural disasters might be brought. but how will change our politics or geopolitics our culture our sense of our relationship to capitalism and technology. and i think the impacts from climimate change are likely to e so profound that all of those relationships will be changed to we'll be living in a very different world as soon as a a few decades from now if we don't change course. as you just mentioned a little earlier in your lifetime. yeah it's- you know by twenty fifty if we don't change course will be at about two degrees of warming. that will mean- we'll have the storks damages from storms and sea level rise growing a hundred fold from where they are today- we have hundreds of millions of climate refugees according to us. news and other asian the middle would be hotter summer and be able to walk around. what risking heat strip. death north of two. probably about two. one degrees
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we probably lock in the permanent loss of all of the plplanets i sheets which wouldld mean. over centuries. eighty meters of sea level rise enough to drownwn two thirds of the world's major cities. if we didn't move them. that impact will take place over centuries so we can adapt. but some of these other impacts are going to have been. much much sooner in fact. they're already here i think about. houston in the united states this is a city that was just hit by its fifth. five hundred year storm. in five years. this is a storm we expect to see oncece every five centuries. five centuries ago. another cortez had just landed in mexico. no europeans we're living in north america so we're talking about. a storm that was supposed to hit once in all that time. and houston's been hit by five of them in the last five years. so we're already living in unprecedented. world and in very short ordrder i it will bee almost unrecognizablble i think. they say it's worse much worse than you think these and now famous first lines of your book they deliberately alarmist you'd meet yourself. is feell
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the best w way to get. by different forces and will be moved by different facts and features of the story- i think this is a saga. that is enormous all touching it affects every aspect of modern life. a and we should expectt tt everyone will respond to it in precisely the same way. but i think for a very long time scientists and activists and certainly journalists. were so reluctant. to scare the public that they weren't actually being honest about what thehe sign s said. and as a r result e public i think was relatively. uninformed they had a misleadingly sanguine impression of what was to come- we were long told the clilimate change is a very slow story that took place over centuries. in fact half of all the emissions we've produced in the entire history of humanity. i've come in just the last thirty years which means we're doing this damage. very much ourselves we were told about the story almost exclusively in terms of sea level rise. which meant we could feel if we lived anywhere but the coast we were safe. but the more you learn about the economic impacts which could produce- economic declines. twice the size as s te
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great depression and permanent. to the effect on conflict which could double by the end of the century if we don't change course. the on agricultural yields will fall in half by the end of the trip it'll change course. you realize that this is not. a story is happening in one particular place that we can escape. no matter who you are no matter how wealthy you are. story will be part of your story the center race. and all. saga and wee were for long time. to do this we- about the worst. we could expect. were one one. today which is already. hi than the planet has ever. in the entire history but we're likely to get at least two degrees. at least one m more degree just north of two degrees. and that level of warming which scientists call catastrophic and the island nations the world call genenocide. is lookig now more and more like a best case scenario- for all these reasons i think the public didn't really understand the urgency of the crisis for a long time. in part because there wasn't sufficient alarmism. from my perspective as a journalist if the science is scary. the best thing to do
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is to share with the public. to not share it is patronising. and so while i agree that my book is alarming. i don't really thihink of myself as an alarmist because i think that all i'm doing. is being transparent about what the scientific community knonows. ad tryingng to- produce some effect on the reader where we respond to this crisis. in some way that approaches the scale of the science of self demands. as a fellow journalist who also covers climate change it also they have the impression that in recent years the language has been calm more alarmist. to the point that now nothing shocks anymore we talk about complete driver. of the lack of food of every. total coastal nations. disappearing the language is terrifying scenarios a terrifying emissions are o on the rise on the other hand what needs to happen for these so called tipping point to happen. well i think we're moving in the right direction i think part of that is because there is a new sense of urgency in the rhetoric thatt i t think started with. the u. n.'s ipcc report from last october early recently strangers yeah last couple of years and it's become even more intense even over the last nine
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months. with credits in bergen school strikes an extinction rebellion in the u. k. sunrise movement in the u. s. we've had these really remarkable- climate protest movements unprecedented actually- millions of people on the street. expressing much more concern than have ever been expressed before and we're just starting to see policy changes in response to it with the british parliament. declaring a climate emergency denmark norway finland coming tonight zero relatively quickly and in the u. s. a democratic primary in which all of the candidatetes are competiting with one another to be more ambitious on climate change. now considering that no pledge to reduce emissions in the history of climate change has ever been fulfilled. it's reasonable to be skeptical of some of these sort of empty promises and yet the fact the governments are making them. is i think a real sign of. the changing. landscape the fact that there a new. can with. it used to be the case the condom. believe that action on climate change was. too expensive to be worth it. they said the impacts are going to be relatively
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small and we're better off just growing however we can grow. but that's really changed over the last few years and now almost every economist would tell you. will be better off if we act faster rather than slower. i think that's another reason why we're just beginning to see policy change. but as you note. the missions are setting records every year. the u. n. says we only have ten years to have them to cut them in half. and we're not just moving too slowly in the right direction we're still moving in the wrong direction. i think their reasons for. thinking that will change soon but- it's clear that we're not moving nearly fast enough. even g given unprecedented my session we've seen over the last year. well it's meant pushing you just made. pretend that you've actually spent some e time with her r i wanted your opinion just in. the p. the best news for the climate movement in you. is it really a- more of a- media. destruction distract from the real q quick i don't think that she's. not a new sleep before is done much done and i'm sure of in. the first shipment. but you know your gosh was a- friendless fifty. rolled and
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size. i'm in but- she is leading. an. which the what. i think itit more the credit she would say she's she's going to take an of policy or ask for part conduct she's not even i'm trying to express the state of the in own words when she was invited to the s. to give testimony before congress she declined and just handed over the ipcc report inside you don't need me to tell you just listen to the scientists so her message is not one of self aggranandizement or- you know she's not trying to o politicize the issue personally she's just once the leaders of the world. to devise policy response to the crisis as it's described by the world scientists and i think that that message is almost an arguable which is one of the reasons why i think she's been such a powerful spokesperson i think it's also been very helpful that she thinks so clearly about the matter of intergenerational justice and is able to articulate in ways that no adult can deny that her generation will be susuffering. the indifference of people of
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aboriginal and i think- that is how the fact just on the teenagers of the world but possibly also the adults of the world who may feel guilty for a little they've done on the is to spa that would i want to put gray in charge of global policy i'm one to put x. about in charge of climate policy but i'm not. great and you x. the those just no are on as they are jan changing the show of the landscape and it my more and the on climate pasta in i will be though was a year ago. you guys it about having less children is about not eating meat not flying- voting what can an individual do the way that i see it is that this crisis is too big to address with anything but politics we need a thorough transformation
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of nearly every aspect of modern life because nearly every aspect of modern life produces a carbon footprint and if we have a hope of stabilizing the world's temperature at any level not even a comomfortable level evena terrible level if w we want thee warmrming to stop ever we need not to reduce emissions we need to completely zero. them out and that means at least as a kind of an end game we need to get to a place where all of our food is raised in ways thatt doesn't p produce carbon r. eric doesn't produce our electricity russian produce carbon our petition to carmen. carmen at it i didn't eat anything like the speed that is required to meet politics because when i can't do it a new grid we can't deploy a you know a whole nation of solar and offff of a stop flying thatt would force the industry to change i think that there is a there's's a way that in you like can bring abouout some of the large chang. but only impoportant as a stone to those changes and i think there are other reasons why it's not able to take action as an individual to personal good
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live with it we values believe the living a car the way the what on to see all the it's also good to note the and you care about you because many people carry i mean i. private and i think this the law ones friends means is getting little action i'm personally i more than that good to you for people who are tied acting to hold those who were in office accountable the promises they made before and ideally also took a political and for of press on on the that be because- the politics we have now it every in the world. even when leaders are committed to the principle of climate action. those politics are moving far too slowly every wallace wells of. to have a here in france trying vieiew street thankss ye. traven do stay true to the us because we've got more coming up here on f front street. four
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he cleleans up particularly oppressive in cities and the warmer it gets the more cold air we seek. air conditioning creates a vicious cycycle is there a any way out of f is tra. she was. very active on social economic age i told you about all the pharmacist and the other two to tell me. the ruth. don't you see that the philly pretty much year election may this one to focus here i see most the customers want consumerers now just. how long
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