[captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from neww york, this is "dememocracyow." >> kindns was a akness in my family, anand donald d has gonem -- amy: today, we will spend the hour with the author of a book president trump doesn't want you to read. it's called "too much and never enough: how my family created

the world's most dangerous man." it is written by trump's niece mary trump, a clinical psychologist. she describes donald trump as a sociopath who grew up in a dysfunctionanal family that fostered his greed and cruelty, which he is inflicting on the world. all thatat and more, coming up. dememocracynow, democracynynow.org, the quarante report. i'm amy goodman. the u.s. coronavavirus death tol is on pace to reach nearly 300,000 by d december r accordio an influential model by the institute for health metrics and evaluation at the university of washington. but the institute projects 66,000 lives could be saved if 95% of people in the united states wear face coverings. the u.s. death toll currently stands at 160,000, by far the highest total in the world.

on thursday, the united states recorded m more than 2,000 newew coronavirus deaths, the highest daily y figure since may. this comes as arkansas, montana, nevada, north carolina and puerto rico all reported new records for r covid-19 deaths or the past week. in g georgia, two high school students have been suspended after they published images of classmates ignoring social distancing guidelines and not wearing masks in crowded hallways at north paulding high school in dallas georgia. 15-year-old sophomore hannah watters says she was ordered to remain home from school for five days after she tweeted a photo and a video of unmasked students crowding her school's hallways on the second day of the new school year. she told cnn her only aim was to call attention to unsafe conditions. the safety ofor

everyone in the building and everyone in the county, because ,recautions that the cdc guidelines the cdc has been telling us for months now weren't being followed. amy: during a paulding county school district meeting in may, board chair jeff fuller said coronavirus guidelines from the centers for disease control l we unfair, because the disease was "not affecting students." >> those cdc guidelines are complete crap. leadt the school system to the way in a normal return on august 3 if we are allowed to, without buying into the hype. amy: the schooool district's supeperintendedent has called ms a personal choice and says they're encouraged, but not required, at school. there's widespread community transmission of coronavirus in paulding county, and at least one teacher has resigned rather ththan risk in-p-person clasass. india has become ththe third

country afteter the u.s. a and brazil to o record 2 million confirmed coronavirus cases, after reporting a record 600000 new infections thursday. the number of cases in india has doubled over the past three weeks. the number of confirmed cases in africa has surpassed 1 million, with more than half of those in south africa. but the total is widely believed to be a vast undercount due to a shortage of tests. the world health organization says the peak of the pandemic has yet to come in africa. in mexico, the death toll has topped 50,000, the world's third highest total behind the united states and brazil. in peru, the death toll has reached 20,000. peperuvian doctors warn,n, the country's health system is overwhelmed. >> we are overcrowded. we have notaff, new doctors, no nururses, no medication,n, no persononal protective eququipme. what do we do? on capitol hill, talks

between house democrats and rerepublican leadeders on a neww coronavirus stimulus bill are on the brink of collapse, more than a week after enhanced unemployment benefits and a federal moratorium on n evictios expired. meanwhile, saturday marks the deadline for businesses to apply to the $650 billion paycheck protection program of guarantetd federal loans. the labor department reported that 1.2 million u.s. workers thursday filed foror state unemployoyment benefefits last , the lowewest total sinince marc, but stilan e extraordinaryry lel by historil standards.s. on thursday, senators s bernie sanders, ed markey and kirsten gillibrand introduced the make billionaires pay act, a 60% tax on over $700 billion dollars in windfall profits made during the pandemic by the top 0.001% of americans. senator sanders wrote, "we can continue to allow the very rich to get much richer while everyone else gets poorer and poorer or we can tax the , winnings a handful of billionaires made during the pandemic to improve the health and well-being of tetens of millions of f americans." the united nations is warning of

a humanitarian catastrophe in lebanon following tuesday's massive explosion at the porortf beirut that killed at least 157 people, injured 5,000 others, and left 300,000 homeless. french preresident emmananuel mn vivisited beirutut on thursday d said france was ready to aid lebanon, but only if officials enact reforms cracking down on widespread corruption. on thuhursday, lebanese police fired tear gas at antigovernment protesters gathered outside the parliament. there are plans for a massive mobilization on saturday, calling for the ouster and arrest of lebanese officials who allowed thousands of tons of unsecured, highly explosive ammonium nitrate fertilizer to remain unsecured at the port of beirut for six years, leading up to tuesday's blast. here in new york, attorney general latitia james filed a lawsuit thursday against the

national riflele association, seeking to dissolve the gun lobbbby group over what t she cd a culture of self-dealing, mismanagement, and negligent oversight that was illegal, oppressive, and fraudulent. james said the nra's chief executive officer wayne lapierre and other top officials broke state and federal laws while enriching ththemselves and their families. . re exploited the organization for his and his family's financial b benefit, ad the benefit of a close circlelef nra staff, board members, anand vendors. spentifically,y, mr. lapierre hundreds of thousands of dollars planeritable assets for trips for himself and his family, including extended family when he was not present. amy: the lawsuit seeks to remove lapierre and other top executives from the nra and to

bar them from ever serving on a nonprofit board in new york again. lapierre and the nra are major supportersrs of presidident tru in ohio, president trump thursday accused campaign rival joe biden of being against god, guns, and fossil fuel energy. trump was speaking to supporters after arriving at an airport in cleveland. >> he's following the radical left agenda. destroyy your guns, second amendment, no religion, no anything, hurt the bible, hurt god. amy: on thursday, the commission on presidential debates rejected a request by the trump campaign to hold a fourth debate with joe biden, and to move the first debate up to the first week of september. republican governor mike dewine tested positive for the coronavirus thursday afternoon, but then set another test came back negative. he took the initial test --

ahead of his scheduled meeting with president trump in cleveland. anyone who comes into contact with president trump is tested, but as he pushes to reopen economies and schools across the country, there is a severe lack of access to tests n nationwide. the state department has announced elliott abrams wilill become the next representative for iran and will continue as special representative for venezuela, leading the unsuccessful efforts to top it does topple the government. he was convicted of lying to congress but was pardoned by george w. bush. the dictator as he oversaw the torture of indigenous people in 1980's. abrams was also linked to the 2002 attempted coup against the

president. a peace group slammed elliott abrams' appointment, saying the -- "the dangerous conflilict resululting from tr's withdrawal f from the nuclear agreement will be exacerbated by a man committed to washington's failed policies of regime change. dutch sits on the board of directors of a company named tier one group. ciad ignatius warnenethe and other groups that tier one employees may have trained some of jamal khashoggi's killers. on senator tim kaine asked thursday, bremer about the allegations. nationalsned saudi

and other nations as well, but i have no knowledge of that. >> until today, you had not been aware that an allegation had been made that a country does company on which you sit as a inector had been involved training sallies who were participants in the murdeder of jamal khashoggi. >> i do not t have any recognitn of that -- recollection of that. amy: meanwhilelea former top saudi intelligence official exiled in canada said in a lawsuit filed thursday that crown prince mohammed bin salman sent a hit squad to toronto to hunt him down and kill him. the 106-page complaint was filed by saad aljabri in u.s. civil court. it claims prince bin salman tried to hide his corrupt busisiness deaealings by orderig aljabri'i's assassination. president trump has issued two sweeping executive orders thatat would ban n the use o of the che ,wnedd apps s tikt and we chat

citing national security reasons. or than 100,000 people have downloaded tiktok and we chat is widely used for chinese -- by chinese-americans. come as theive ororders trtrump admininistration has ben actively working to help microsoft purchahase some of tiktok's overseas operations. buzzfeed reports facebook deleted misinformation warnings agagainst hihigh-profile right-g pages and reportedly fired an employee who collected evidence of facebook giving such pages preferential treatment. this comes as facebook employees have repeatedly questioned facebook executives over their handling of right-wing, white supremacist media outlets that publish fake news. in one instance, the company allowewed breitbarart news, whis a facebookok news partner, to circulate a video promoting unproven treatments for covid-19 and discouraged wearing face masks.

inin sports news, playeyers at e women's national basketball association are encouraging warnocko elect reverend . on tuesday night, several players arriving at the were spottedubble wearing black t-shirts. woman and a white supporter of president trump slammed the racial justice initiative, saying any alignment with the black lives matter movement seeks to defund the police. called for thehe removal ofof jesus from churches and promoted violence and destructioion across the countr" loeffler wrote.

to set up a dormitory for coronavirus positive prisoners. the ruling cites disturbing between the for-profit committee that runs mesa verde. and email says "testing all , detainees will potentially cause the same housing issue we had last week but on a larger scale. completing the testing is not the issue. it is just what we will need to do with the results once they are received." over 4,100 prisoners have tested positive for covid-19 at ice prisons acroross the countntry. in more immigration newsws, buzzfeed reports two men in the custody of ice died wednesday, making this fiscal year the deadliest for r immigrants in ie custody since 2006. meanwhile, the trump administration is dramatically increasing fees for work visa

applications, including a more than 80% increase on naturalization applications, which will now cost over $1000. there wiwi also now w be an ununprecedented $50 fee for for asylum applications. the new fees go into effect in october. send quentin state prison in california has overtaken the marion correctional facility for the highest number of covid positive prisoners. this comes as advocates continue to pressure california governor gavin newsom to grant mass release to halt the further spread of the virus. democracy now spoke to incarcerated journalist juan haines who is himself recovering from covid-19 earlier this week , about conditions inside san quentin. the conditions inside

california's prisons are not fit for human occupation, it's just not. that is why so many people in san quentin are dying. we cannot physically distance ourselves from each other, and what is so hurtful about this, that we cannot physically distance from each other, but any kind of contagion t that ges into this prison will spread like wildfire. amy: those are some of the nowow,"s, "democracy demomocracynow.org, the quanante report. the e book president trump d dos not want you to read.. the author, mary trumpmp, prpresident t trump's nice. she joins us in a minute.

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amy: this is democracy nowow dedemocracynynow.org, , the quae report. hour withhe next half the author of a book president trump does not want you to read. trump as aes donald sociopath who grew up in a family that fostered his greed and cruelty that he is now inflicting upon the world. donald trump's younger brother, robert, attempted to block the sale of the book on behalf of the trump family, saying it violated a confidentially agreement. but a new york judge ruled against him and the book was published in july, and mary trump was allowed to speak of it. "too much and never enough" sold more copies in a week than trump's "art of the deal" did in 29 years. book sold nearly

one million copies on one day. in her book, mary trump writes "the out-of-control covid-19 pandemic, the possibility of an economic depression, deepening social divides along political lines thanks to donaldld's penchant for division, and devastating uncertainty about our coununtry's future have created a perfect storm of catastrophes that no one is less equipped than my uncle to manage." the u.s. coronavirus death toll now stands at 160 thousand, the highest total in the world and some say it could d rise to 300,000 by the end of the worlr. dr. mary trump, , thank you for joining us. dr. trump: enke for being with us. -- thank y f for beingng with us -- amy: thank you foror being wh

us. trump: it is hard to give them flack foror not having act. we now know what to do to mitigate the spread of this very infectious disease, and he is not only not doing those things, he is actively advocating against t them still, and continuing to claim it is just going to disappear, it is some kind of hoax, using the races term "china virus" to get himself -- racist term "china himself o off the hook. with 160,000 people and counting dying, how can we assume there is not culpability. he is not making steps to fix this problem and that suggests

crcriminal culpability. on this say so much book, give us a deep background on president trump that we have ever read. can you talk about why you wrote "too much and never enough"? dr. trump: i wrote this book to give people the information they did not have access to in 2016. the reason i was not able to do withhad to do partially tohing he did or said seemed turn anynybody off anyway, so 'm not sure he -- sure that my saying anything would matter. at2020, there is such more stake than there ever has been. i believe our countrtry is on te knife's edge, and i don't want anybody going to cast their vote

in november claiming they just don't know who they are voting for. amy: tell us about your family. you are the daughter of donald trump's older brother, freddie trump, who died at a young age. , as us back to your family you talk about and quote victor of "limos rob -- "les m iserables" about deep darkness. "if the soul is left in darkness, sins will be committed. the guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but the one who clearly a dararkness,"

reference to what fred trump, your grandfather, you say did to donaldld trump. dr. trump: i chose that quote for that reason and because i ththink it works in the e preset day. a lot of people in this country are purposely left in the dark and making bad decisions and self defeating decisions b becae they are not given access to information that would help them make better choices. wasar as my g grandfather, he basically y e only pererson in e family whose opinionon mattered. he had all the power.. it was a very patriarchal system i grew up in. there was a a lot of misisogynyo being a girl in that society was an automatic strike against you. my grandfather was the kind of

man who believeved in dynasty ia way. he wouldn't have put it in those terms, but he had his real estate empire, and his oldest son and namesake, my father, was going to be his successor, and his empire was going to last in perpetuity. unfortunately, for my father's sake, he was not the right kind of person in my grandfather's eyes. he needed somebody who was a killer, tough guy, someone who would win it all and was not weak in n any w way. in my famimily, being kind was considered being weak. admimitting yourur mistakes and apologizing for them was equated with weakness as well, so i

don't know exactly when it happeneded, but certainlnly at e point, i imagined by the time my dad was in college my grandfather knew he was not going to cut it as his heir apparent. donald, who was seven and a half years younger learned from the psychological and emotional abuse of my dad and the message was essentitially donon't be lie freddie. since my grandfather ranan my family as a zero-sum game and only one pererson was a winner d everyone else was a loser,r, donaldld was determined toto wi. donaldrandfdfather's eyes, successfully auditioned as my dad's replacement. amy: i wanted to ask you about a new york times report long ago in 1927 that your grandfather,

trump trump''s father fred was arrested at a ku klux klan riot in new york. it reports that 1000 klansmen and 100 policemen staged a free-for-all battle and lists fred trump with his address as one of seven men who were arrested and arraigned for the assault. charges against him were dropped. the police commissioner was quoted as saying the clan war downs and also had hoods over their face, almost completely hiding their identities. interview,ork times" , itld trump said i saw that was one little website that happened. there were no charges.

it is unfair to mention it. they said there were charges against other people bubut there were no charges, totally false. we are g going bacack to the 207 reportrt in "the new yoyork tim" did y you know about it as you were growingng up? dr. trump: no, i i didn't, although my family wasn't great at telling stories. unlike donald, i don't doubt the validity of the report. it would be kind of a random thing to make up 60 or 80 years ago. the only thing that surprises me , because my family was quite anti-semitic along w with other things, so the only thing that surprises me is my grandfather would take time away from his business to go do anything. it wouldn't surprise me if he shared the sentiments. amy: you s say that donald trump

and your family were anti-semitic and racist. can you give us examples, particularly o of president trup as you knew him growing up? can't,mp: you know, i because it was just the way it was. it was just the background. terms were thrown about rather casually, and i do not want to suggest there was a sense of virulence in the household, but it was just language that wass used and it was a given. i cannot think of any specific examples. mean itld, that would didn't happen very often, you know? amy: did you ever hear donald trump, your uncle, use the n-wo

rd? dr. trump: yeah, sure. it is awful to put it that way, but when you live in a family and you were a kid, it is not that i didn't know it was wrong. i did, because i lived a very different kind of experience growing up. , lived in jamaica, queens which was lower-class, working-class, preredominantly afafrican-american. i went to a schooool that was predominantly jewish, s so i animus,nderstand the but it was just how it was. this is just how adults in my orbit spoke and b behaved, and w of coursee, i learned a long tie ago that it was not just something i disagreed with, butt it w was deeplply wrong. it the way i say

ando underscore how casual accepted it was. the i wanted to then go to 1970's. your father was being sidelined in the trump organization. it sounds like you very much didn't want to do that job. will askd flying, and i you that in a minute, but donald very came to the fore quickly, became president in his 20's. department of justice filed a federal lawsuit against donaldld trump and the company for alleged racial discrimination at trump housing developments. the justice department personally suing donald trump, your grandfather, and trump management in order to obtain a

settlement in which they would promise not to discriminate. it was settled two years later after trump tried to counter sue for-- juststice department $100 million for makingg false statements, dismissed by the court. can you talk about what youu understood, what happened at that time? i am not entirely sure i would have been aware of it. i do remember my dad was worried. working for my grandfather'r's company anymore, but i know at that timeme he was worried about those lawsuits and , mytly before that grandfather had been involved with mafia ties,

and my dad and grandfather were worried ababout that, but he was outside of it so i didn't have any access into what was really going on ununtil much later. i essentially know what other people know about what happened, ohn intobringing roy c the mix changed the course a little bit of where donald was heading. abouto, if you could talk your family, going back in time as we backtrack, give us a family, kind of family tree. what is interesting is donald trump has continually said -- not clear why -- fred trump, his father, your grandfather, was born in germany. your grandmother was, but it

wasn't just a misstatement that he said it once. he h has contitinually said his father was born in germany. can n you understand why? dr. trump: it is really fascininating what donalald gets know,sometimes, and you it is difficult on occasion to know if he is doing it on purpose or not. that confuses me. he used to say that he was swedish, when asked what his ethnicity was. he would say swedish, because the excuse given was they worked with a lot of jewish people e ad he didn't want to ofoffend themy admitting to his gererman roots, but my grandmother was scottish so he could have said scottish. why. never really clear

he must know that his own father was born in the united states. my grandmother was born in scotland. she was an immigrant. i honestly can't tell you. it is very weird. amy: how did your grandmother come here from scotland, and how did she meet your grandfather? and then talk about that relationship, shaping donald, which we can take to when you went to the white house and that picture missing perhaps from the white house of the family gallery, the picture of donald trump's mother. dr. trump: my grandmother was the youngest of 10 who grew up on a tiny island off t the nortrthwest coast t of scotlandt exactly a pleasant environment. it was a h harsh p place to livn the eaearly 20th century. it is beautiful, although it

must have been difficult to live there all those years ago. she came to the uniteted stateso join two of her older sisters who were already here, and i believe b both of them were alalready married to o american. i think she came in n part b bee the male p population on the island had been decimated by pandemic,i, the 1918 and a horrible shipwreck off the coast at the end of f world waw. came as a domestic servant, i believe, and she met my grandfather at a dance very shortly after she arrived. says my grandfather, who was living with his mother, came home and said he found the woman which he was going to marry, which he did.

it was five years later and i never found out why it took so long. anday, they got married very shortly started having a family. my grandfather by that time was already very successful, and that trajectory never changed direction. he got more successful and more wealthy evevery year, but when donald was two and a half, my grandmother got very ill. by thahat point, , all five of r children had already been born. marianne, my dad, donald,d, elizabeth, and years later robert, who was nine months old when my grandmother became ill. she was essentially absent for almost a year. she had suffered very severe postpartumum issues after my y e robebert was born that hadad goe undetected so long they were

life-threatening.. that wasas the firstst major experience t that shaped donald. he expxperienced her absenence n abandonment, and my grandfather, who o was a straight up sociopah wawas on capable and unwilling o fulfill the caregiver role, so donald was very lonely and frightened at an extxtremely crucial developmental period. upwas never able to makeke those deficits that occurred att that time. and i think my grandmother, even to the extent that she got better, was never able to heal the rifts begin -- between them becacause while clearly it was t her fault f for becoming ill, se never took r responsibibility fr making it up t to him and helpig him heal that sense of abandonment.

senent by the time he was to the military academy at 13 and my grandmother did absolutely nothing to prevent it, i think that was the final betrayal as far as he was concerned. i wasn't surprising me when visited the white house in april 2017 thahat the only picture he had d on the sideboard behind te desk was a picturere of my grandfather, kind of at the height of his power, and nobodyy else. outununt marianne pointed that maybe he should have a picture of their mother on the ask too, and he said, that's great idedea, somebody get t mea picture of mom. what i find interesting is the picture i have seen he has on his desk is a picture of my grandfather before she had even

met my grandfather, so it was a picture of his mother before she was his mother. amy: you menentioned donald d tp went to a military academy for high school. explain why he went there. i guess it would have been middle school, his behavior started to become increasingly belligerent and uncontrollable. it wasn't just at home, it was at schooool as well. he wenent to a small schohool in forestst hills, which was the se school i attenended, and myy grandfather was on the board of trustees. on the one hand, my grandfather found it annoying that his son was creating problems in a schoolol that he was associated with, but he was also out of control in the house as well. my grandndfather worked a a lotx days a week, many hours a day, so my grandfather -- grandmother

had to deal with the brunt of donald's disobedience and disrespect towards her. at one point, somebody suggested to my grandfather that maybe the new york military academy would straighten donald out. , donaldof the timeses wasn't on my grandfather's radar yet because my father was still his primaryy focus, and because my grandmotherer actually would have beeeen quite happy to have him out of the house, he went to the new york military academy. it really was a punishment. it was not like he was being sent to -- or something. amy: so he comes back, goes to and you startsts there, make a serious allegation in your book. you say he paid another young

man to take his sats. explain what you know. dr. trump: this is a story that is known in my family. i have been told this directly on numerous occasions, and it donald at that time -- certainly, since the t time e was 12 probablbly, had a very inflfled sense o of himself. fordham wasn't good enough. he felt he needed a degree commends a writ with his -- serate with his hyperbolic self. fordham, whichf had a good reputation, but while he was at fordham, mamarianne dd his homework for him m --

amy: a and she was a retired federal judge. drdr. trump: she was about nine years older. he was living in my parents' house anand she was already married with a child. when he graduated from high school, he had not been accepted into any college, so fordham was an intermediate step. because he didn't do h his homework himself, i don't know that he had confidence that his grgrades were good enough to get into the university of pennsylvania, so just as a way to hedge his bets, he paid a boy in the neighboborhood by the nae of joe schapiro, who i guess had a reputation for being a good whichaker, take his sats, was not necessary because the university of pennsylvania had a high acceptance rate, and my dad had a good friend from st.

paul's where he went who worked inin the admissions, so donald probably would have gotten in any way. amy: he made a big deal of going to the university of pennsylvania wharton school. what did your grandfather call hihim? i am.ump: the great amy: from the age of 12? dr. trump: it goes to show how long this has been going on. amy: president trump cloaks himself, constantly praising the military, but you also write that donald trumump his first we disownthrhreatened to donald trump, jr. if you went into the military. dr. trump: my uncle rob told me that storyry. told me that story a couple of times years ago.

i don't find it surprising the way donald speaks about the military now, simply because i believe in his mind, the power of the military and the honor of the military reflects on him because he is in the oval office , but he has never demonstrated any use for it. he has never valued it before this. my dad was a second lieutenant in the natational guard. donald has never mentioned that. he, as we all know, got five deferments. he couould have served his couny and chose over and over again not to, so whatever he has to say about the military now is because he thinks it reflects on him. generals in the united states military ass his

generals, which they most certainly are not. for mary trump is our guest the hour, the niece of donanald trump, a clinical psychologist. her book has just come out and broken records for publication in the first day. it is called "too much and never enoughgh: how my family created the world's most dangerous man." we will come back with mary trump in a minute. [musicic break] [♪]

amy: "men trump," -- "old man rudy guthrie.n by he wrote it to criticize his landlord, the father of the president and grandfather of our guest, mary trump, author of the much and never enough:

how my family created the world's most dangerous man." fox donaldhris walallace asksked trump about your claims about his grandfather -- his father. >> my father liked to win. he was a strong man. he was -- it is disgsgraceful tt she said that. she was not a family favorite. she writes a book thahat is so stupid and vicious and a lie. my father was a great, wonderful man. this is not a person i spent very much time with, very little time, and now i'm glad you because she is a very scarred person. she was not much of a family person. h he was was, i think the most solid person i have ever met, and he was a very good person, a very, very good

person, , strong but good. for her to say he was a psychopath, anybody who knew fred trump would call him a psychopath, and if he was, i would tell you and i would say, i was with my father and it was impossible. he was tough on me, tough on all the kids, but tough in a solid sense, in a really good sense. for r her to say, i think the wd she used is "psychopath," what a disgrace. it is a lie. amy: that is donald trump saying it is a lie, calling his father a psychopath and donald trump a sociopath. dr. trump: i referrered to my grandfather as a sociopath and i do not diagnose donald specificically, because e i thit is kinind of irrelevant. he exhibits sociopathic behaviors, that's for susure. amy: what is he going to say?

-- what is he going to say. of course he will deny my grandfather was a sociopath, but i don't think you will find many people who k knew my father that will say he was a good person, any common fact. fact. any, in to me, what is most telling is donald makes it clear for his claims is he didn't spend a lot of time with me. firsrst of all, i was at my grandparentsts' house all the titime. if he didn't spend time with me since he is my uncle, that w wod be down to him, not me. amy: in fact, he spent enough time with you to ask you to be the ghost writer to his sequel for "the art of the deal." dr. trumump: i guess nobody has asked him about that.

he didn'tould say know i was his niece so he hired me. amy: can you say what he said to you when you were 29 years o old and yoyou went to mar-a-lago, it was hot outside, and you were wearing a bathing suit? dr. trtrump: it wawas just dona, marla, and me. amy: marla, his second wife. dr. trtrump: we were h having lh on the patio. mar-r-a-lago, it was just his place and despite its pretentiousness, it was prettyy casualal so i felt comfortable coming from the popool with shos and a babathing suit on. donald had golf clothing on. when i apppproached the table, t wawas as if he had never seenene before. he swore. expletive, mary,

your stacked. -- you are stacked. even though i had known donald my whole life, that still shocked me and it created a bit of awkwardness in the moment. i just wrapped my towel around myself and sat down. amy: when you heard that videotape from access hollywood where he talks about women -- grabbing women in the p-word and how hehe cannot help himself, sexually assaulting women, did that surprise you? and then he won. sister tell l us what your said when you said, i fear he is going to win? dr. trump: she said he is a clown and there is no way people are going to vote for him.

i felt the e same thing, honest. w wonjust worried after he the republican nomination. the fact that he had a 1% chance of winning was too unnerving for me. when i said to her, i don't understand, what has he ever accomplished? had f fiveell, he has bankruptcies. that was our take on the whole thing, and after the "access hollywood" thing, i was not shocked that he admitted or said he had done these things. i was horrified that it didn't matter. amy: let me ask you, talking about the word "horrifying," of what happened to your nephew, william. he was born on the day of the funeral of fred trump, your grandfather. your brother, you call him fred?

dr. trumump: yes.. amy: raced off to the hospital and william was born. tremendousthe physical challenges he faced within the first 24 hours of birth? dr. trump: he started having very severe seizures and ended up in the nicu for quitete a while. we hadad no idea why. it had been a perfectly normal pregegnancy and the birth h hadn fine. -- like, nobody knew anything at first, so you can only imagine how terrified my sister-in-law and brother were. and then a couple of weeks after that, we discovered that we had

was,disinherited, which but nothingd, compared to what my brother and sister were already going through, and it made everything so much worsrse because it injectcted this level ofof uncertainty. luckily, we had had excellent health care e from the time we were born. everyonene in the family had healthth coverage from my grandfather's company for our was a reals, so that comfort. uncle robert had wtttten a letter to the e insurance compay to makake it verery clelear thay nephew would get whatever hehe needed, and it would be taken care of through the trump management health insurance. amy: we are coming to the end of

the hour. they assured him of this, but then they took it away, and donald trump bragged about this infant facining a life of phphyl challengnges and revoking thatat hehealth insurance. dr. trump: that was in retaliation for ththe fact thate brought a lawsuit against my grandfather'r's estate, because the terms of his will were so egregious it didid not seem cocompletely faiair, and after e months of negotiating with myy uncle robert, it was clear they were not going to change anything. shortly after we filed the lawsuit, they revoked our health insurance and williams health insurance, and we had to bring another lawsuit to get it reinstated, which we never did. end, i wantefore we to ask about president trump's attitudes to the lgbtq

community. you write about sitting with your grandmother, marianne mcleod trump, the funeral mario service for princess diana. what did she refer to elton john as? dr. trump: she called him the f-word, the slur for a gay man. amy: you were planning at thatat time to come out to your family, at least your grandmother. he made a big decision then not to do that, and as we wrap up i was wondering if you could talk about whether you feel that attitude, that anti-lgbtq sentiment was transferrrred to president trump, and d what you are most concerned about with him? dr. trump: interestingly, homophobia was not something i grew up with, simply because homosexuality wasn't discussed,

but it wasn't surprising to me. myasn't happy about it, that grandfather had those attitudes, but it did not surprise me in a household that was so racist,t, anti-semitic, and misogynistic, notonald's ideas are surprisingng, but he has done so much damage starting with the band b on transgendedered trtros on transgendered trtroops that i feel like it wil takeke a long time to make up te ground we have lost. whatcan you talk about separation of children at the border has meant to youou, and what would you say to your uncle, donald trump? dr. trump: i cannot say it was the last straw because since the muslim band, there has - -- ban, there has been something every

week. something about that kind of broke me. children are being kidnapped and their parents are being tortured. if you are a parent, you know what it is like to worry about your child and have uncertainty about where they are and their well-being. .t is literally torturere people are dying in these concentration camps they set up. what i would say to donald -- he wouldn't less than -- listen anyway -- this has to stop. this is antithetical to what this country is supposed to be, and people likike stephen milllr should not be anywhere near the executive branch of this country, should be dismissed , and d donald shouldd mamaybe thinking -- maybe think people with some modicum

of empathy, which he won't, which is why he does not belong in the oval office. dy:

sami yaffa: israel is no older than 70 years, but ththe jewish natition-states been influenced by tribalism, religious conflict, and from one generation to the next, a history of blood and violence. the jews have brought with them their musical traditions from all over the world. meanwhile, the palestinians under israeli occupation are trying to keep their own culture alive. they say powerful art is born out of conflict. let's hear what the locals have to say.