11/09/20 11/09/20 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from new york, this is democracy now! >> we have wo with the most votes evern cast in the history of the nation. 74 million. amy: the trump presidency is coming to an end. former vice president joe biden is projected to have won the election after winning the state of pennsylvania. biden's running mate kamala harris makes history as the

nation's first woman vice president as well as the first african-american, indian-american, and asian-american elected to the vice presidency. ms. harris: while, be the first woman in this office, i will not be the last. [cheers] because every little girl watching tonight sees that this is a country of possibilities. amy: we will hear x or of the victory speeches and get response from princeton university professor eddie glaude, and anti-racist activist bree newsome bass. and congress member ro khanna on the new attack on progressives in congress stop all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. joe den has been elected the 46th president of thunited states.

the ws camshortly before noon saturday, after the latest counts in pennsylvania put biden far enough ahead of president trump to win the state, and the electoral college votes needed to clinch the victory after several key races remained too close to call days after election day. trump, who launched a flurry of legal challenges as results came in, has yet to concede. he is the first incumbent to lose since george h.w. bush in 1992. according to the associated press, biden currently has 290 electoral college votes to trump's 214. in the uncalled states, biden is leading in georgia and trump is leading in alaska and north carolina. biden is leading in the popular count by over 4 million votes. thousands of people in cities and towns across the united states poured onto the streets to celebrate as news networks projected biden and harris as

the winners. in washington, d.c., revelers gathered in front of the white house and an impromptu parade, complete with brass band, made its way through downtown. here in new york city -- as in many other places across the country -- car horns blared and people leaned out of their windows banging pots and pans as people expressed both jubilation and relief for the end of the trump presidency. on saturday evening, president-elect biden delivered a victory speech from his home town of wilmington, delaware, and called for unity and healing. mr. biden: tonight, we have seen all cities in all parts of the country, indeed, across the world, an outpouring of joy, hope, renewed faith and tomorrow bring a better day. humbled by the trust and confidence you placed in me.

i pledge to be a president who seeks not to divide but unify. who doesn't see red states and blue states only seized the united states. amy: kamala harris makes history many times over. she is the first ever woman vice president out -- and also the first african american, first south asian, first indian tamil american, the first caribbean american to hold the office. harris is the daughter of immigrants, an indian mother and a jamaican father. the junior senator from california previously served as the state's attorney general, and before that as san francisco's district attorney. in her victory speech saturday, harris paid tribute to black women and the generations of women who fought for equal rights. ms. harris: women who fight and sacrificed so much for equality and liberty and justice for all,

including the black women who are often, too often overlooked, but so often prove that they are the backbone of our democracy. all the women who worked to secure and protect the right to vote for over a century -- 100 years ago with the 19th amendment, 55 years ago with the voting rights act, and now in with a new generation of women 2020 in our country who cast their ballots and continued the fight for their fundamental right to vote and be heard. amy: president-elect biden is expected to issue a set of executive orders as soon as he takes office in january, rolling back some of trump's most harmful and contested policies including the muslim travel ban, the transgender military ban, reinstating protections for dreamers, and reinstating environmental and other regulations.

he has also vowed to rejoin the paris climate agreement and reverse trump's withdrawal from the world health organization. meanwhile, trump is vowing to push forward on various lawsuits, which baselessly allege voter fraud, and says he will not concede. on saturday, just as news networks called the race for biden, trump's attorney rudy giuliani gathered reporters from around the world for a news conference where he alleged massive voting irregularities, without citing any evidence. president trump tweeted that the press conference would be held at the four seasons in philadelphia, suggesting the downtown luxury high-rise hotel. instead, it was held in a dusty lot in the outskirts of philadelphia come outside the four seasons total landscaping -- a family-owned business in between a crematorium and porn shop.

so far, none of trump's legal efforts have gained any traction. top republicans are split in their response to the outcome. utah senator mitt romney is calling for americans to get behind biden and refuted claims of voter fraud. south carolina senator lindsey graham, meanwhile, said trump should not concede and declared on fox news sunday that -- "if republicans don't challenge and change the u.s. election stem, the will never be another republican president elected again." pressure is now growing on the general services administration to recognize biden's victory. biden's transition team cannot access government funds or communicate with federal agencies until the gsa affirms his win. the gsa's administrator, emily murphy, is a trump appointee. and she has refused to do this so far. in the senate race, all eyes are now on georgia as two runoffs are scheduled for january 5. democrats would have to win both races to reach 50 seats in the

senate and make future vice president kamala harris the tie-breaking vote. democrat reverend raphael warnock will be up against republican senator kelly loeffler, who was appointed last year after senator johnny isakson retired due to health issues. and jon ossoff will face off against incumbent republican senator david perdue after perdue narrowly fell short of 50% of the required vote to avoid a runoff. stacey abrams, who founded voting rights organization fair fight and has been credited as one of the organizers who helped flip georgia blue, said she believes both democrats can win their races. she spoke on cnn. >> we will have three things happened. one, we have jon ossoff and raphael warnock working together to make sure voters come back. number two, we will have the investment and resources that have never followed runoffs in georgia for democrats.

and number three, this will be the determining factor of whether we have access to health care and justice in the united states, those are two issues that will make certain people turnout. amy: meanwhile, the presidential race in georgia appears poised for a recount as joe biden holds a slim margin of less than 0.5% of tallied votes. heads of state around the world have offered congratulations to biden and harris, including canadian prime minister justin trudeau, french president emmanuel macron, german chancellor angela merkel, and british prime minister boris johnson. brazil's president jair bolsonaro -- a major trump ally -- has remained silent on biden's victory. so have mexican president andrés manuel lopez obrador, chinese president xi jinping, and russian president vladimir putin. iran's president hassan rouhani celebrated trump's loss, saying the next u.s. administration had an opportunity to "make up for past mistakes" -- a reference to

president trump's unilateral withdrawal from the 2015 iran nuclear deal. president-elect biden unveiled his coronavirus taskforce this morning, which will be chaired by former surgeon general vivek murthy and former food and drug administration commissioner dr. david kessler. it also includes former top government vaccine specialist dr. rick bright, who resigned his post at the national institutes of health after blowing the whistle on what he called trump's reckless and deadly misinformation on coronavirus. he was fced out of the trump administrati. biden said his pandemic plan will be "built on a bedrock of science." this comes as coronavirus cases continue to surge here in the u.s., as the total number of confirmed cases at just about 10 million and over 237,000 deaths. at lst 17 states reported

single-day records for new cases friday and four states reported record deaths -- utah, kansas, nebraska, and south dakota. white house chief of staff mark meadows is the latest person in trump's orbit to test positive. he reportedly directed officials and advisers to not disclose his infection. meadows was among some 250 people who packed the east room of the white house for hours on election night -- many from 7:00 to 3:00 i the morning, almost none of them for wearing masks, for what they had hoped would be trump's victory party. at least six trump staffers in the white house are believed to be infected in this latest outbreak. he also spent a lot of time at virginia, the trump headquarters, along with staffers and trump's family. in immigration news, the aclu has filed a lawsuit to obtain

information about the federal response to the pandemic in immigration jails, including measures taken to protect prisoners and whether people were deported after testing positive. data analyzed by the associated press shows covid-19 cases are surging in nursing facilities in states hardest hit by the coronavirus. new weekly cases increased almost four-fold from late may to late october and resident deaths more than doubled. pfizer says early data from large clinical trial shows a coronavirus vaccine cut symptomatic, 19 cases by more volunteers who received the vaccine instead of a placebo. it is a promising sign that scores of vaccines currently under development will prove effective at battling the pandemic. as reported global coronavirus cases top 50 million, the united nations is warning parts of

yemen, burkina faso, nigeria, and south sudan are all at risk of falling into famine within the coming months as the pandemic has exacerbated already dire food insecurity due to conflict, mass displacement, economic, imate and agricultural cris. another 16 countries are at high risk of acute hunger. food producers -- farmers, herders, fishers, and foresters -- are the most affected by hunger. in burma, aung san suu kyi's ruling national league for democracy party is on track to win a parliamentary majority in burma's second democratic vote since the end of military rule. ahead of the vote, human rights watch denounced the election process and its exclusion of the persecuted rohingya community and other ethnic minorities. it also highlighted the criminal prosecution of government critics and unequal access to state media for all parties. suu kyi, a nobel peace laureate, has been condemned by rights

groups for defending the burmese miliry after they killed and raped thousands of rohingya and forced more than 700,000 to flee into neighboring bangladesh in a brutal crackdown in 2017. sunday's vote came as burma is seeing a new surge in covid-19 in bolivia, former president evo morales is expected to re-enter bolivia this morning following the inauguration of new president luis arce in la paz sunday. arce won the presidential election last month by a landslide, putting morales's mas party back in power one year after a right-wing coup ousted morales. arce served as the economy minister under morales. this is arce speaking at his inauguration. >> we assume this mandate given to us by the population, the people, to work tirelessly and with humility for the reconstruction of our country.

we commit ourselves to rectify what was wrong and toeepen what was right. amy: in iraq, a group of unidentified attackers fired guns andrenades atn iraqi military post in western baghdad monday morning, killing 11 people and wounding eight others. iraq's military said the attack targeted government-backed sunni militia members. elsewhere in southern iraq, soldiers opened fire friday on protesters demanding jobs and basic services, killing one person and wounding 40 others. it was the first time security forces in basra killed a protester since prime minister mustafa al-kadhimi took office in may, pledging to end state violence that killed over 500 people at anti-government demonstrations. in afghanistan, a former tv news journalist was killed along with two other civilians saturday when a bomb attached to his vehicle exploded in the capital kabul. yama siawash had recently signed

on as an adviser with afghanistan's central bank after a long run as a presenter at afghanistan's private tv channel. -- largest private tv channel. in ethiopia, there are fears of a looming civil war after prime minister abiy ahmed launched airstrikes on the northern region of tigray. the assault began last wednesday after ethiopian military sites were taken over by troops loyal to tigray's regional government. tigray's ruling party, the tigray people's liberation front, was dominant in ethiopian politics until abiy ahmed came to power in 2018. on saturday, ethiopia's parliament approved plans to replace the tigray regional government with a new, interim government. and on sunday, the prime minister fired his army chief, foreign minister, and top intelligence official without explanation. in a letter to the african union, tigray's regional president called abiy ahmed's actions unconstitutional, dictatorial and treasonous, warning of an all-out civil war.

and tropical storm eta has made landfall in the florida keys just days after devastating central america and portions southern mexico, leaving over 150 people dead and tens of thousands displaced across the region. in guatemala, where most of the deaths have been reported, rescuers continue to search for dozens of missing people buried by mudslides. meanwhile, a small aircraft carrying food and medicine for survivors of eta crashed in guatemala city yesterday. the storm also left flooded coastal zones as it passed cuba, where at least 25,000 were evacuated. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. when we combat, the trump presidency is coming to an end. .his weekend, history was made former vice president joe biden has projected to be the winner. his running mate kamala harris

breaks many different records. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. the trump presidency is coming to an end. on saturday, every major news network called the election for former vice president joe biden and his running senator kamala harris after they won the key battleground state of pennsylvania. harris will become the first woman vice president as well as the first african-american, indian-american, and asian-american elected to the office. according to the associated press, the biden-harris ticket has now secured 290 electoral votes -- well over the 270 needed to win the white house. georgia and north carolina remain too close to call. president trump has refused to

concede the race and is continuing to file a slew of lawsuits alleging voter fraud. but the trump campaign has offered no evidence of actual fraud being committed. shortly before the race was called, trump sent out a tweet in all caps reading -- "i won this election, by a lot!" in fact, biden's lead in the popular vote is now up to million and growing. 4.5 on saturday night, joe biden addressed supporters in wilmington, delaware. mr. biden: the bible tells us to everything there is a season come a time to build, a time to reap, a time to so, and a time to heal. this is the time to heal in america. now this campaign is over, what is the will of the people? what is our mandate? i believe

it is this -- america has called upon us to march -- us to marshal the forces of decency and the forces of fairness. to marshal the forces of science and the forces of hope in the great battles of our time. the battle to control the virus. the battle to build prosperity. the battle to secure your family's health care. the battle to achieve racial justice and root out systemic racism in this country. the battle to save the climate. the battle to restore decency, defend democracy, and give everybody in this country a fair shot. that is all they are asking for, a fair shot. kamala harris spoke of being the daughter of immigrants. >> to the woman most responsible

for my presence here today, my mother shyamala gopalan harris, , who is always in our hearts. when she came here from india at the age of 19, maybe she didn't quite imagine this moment. but she believed so deeply ian america where a moment like this is possible. and so i tnking about her and am about the generations of women -- black women. [cheers[ asian, white, latina, and native american women throughout our nation's history have paved the way for this moment tonight. women who fought and sacrificed so much for equality, liberty, and justice for all, including

the black women who are too often overlooked, but so often prove that they are the backbone of our democracy. kamala harris and joe biden. we begin our show with two guests, professor eddie glaude, chair of princeton university's department of african american studies. his recent article for "time" magazine is "joe biden must help the nation truly understand the depth of our collective loss." professors latest book is titled "begin again: james baldwin's america and its urgent lessons for our own." also with this is bree newsome bass, artist, anti-racist activist. she made national headlines in 2015 when she scaled the 30 foot flagpole at the south carolina state capitol to remove the confederate flag after the massacre of eight prisoners and

their pastor by white supremacists at the emanuel ame church in charleston. bree, we're going to begin with you. as we ended that last clip with kamala harris, i could only think about that metaphor of you scaling the flag saying "you come against me with hatred. i come against you in the name of god. this flag comes down today." harris ascended the stage. talk about your reaction. >> is undoubtedly an historic moment, right? i also see a lot of historical parallels right now. that ipeatedly saying think the central conflict in the united states is not -- has been this tension between white supremacy and this concept of having a multiracial democracy, where everyone is allowedo participate it. and i think that tension is

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help but do, if you could talk about what your feelings were on saturday as you watched joe biden and kamala harris ascended the stage in wilmington, delaware, what this all means. ,> my initial reaction was thank god we're going to see the back of donald's head. that the disaster of the last four years, at least embodied in the trump administration, stephen miller, betsy devos, william barr, the whole gaggle of folks, giuliani come the children -- all of those folks will be behind as soon. of course, the symbolic significance of kamala harris as the first black vice president, first south asian descent and caribbean dissent and the like. i was thinking about the national council of nigro women, the atlanta washington woman strike of 1881, thinking about the whims political counsel in montgomery who were the backbone

of that bus boycott, thinking about ella baker and fannie lou hamer. all of these folks are the window behind kamala harris' back that maker possible, that she is a symbolic -- the symbolic importance of her. but we must understand that yesterday was a date in the day before was a day of celebration. today is the day for the hard work. the country is deeply divided as bree said. we have to get about the work of responding to the problems we face as a nation at scale and not returning back to some sense of normalcy, which in some ways laid the foundation for the disaster that was and is trumpism. miko i also went to bring in ro khanna from northern california, congressmember, who himself is indian american like kamala harris, and first i wanted to get your overall response when the result were announced on saturday, though they have not been certified yet.

an emotional moment, a proud moment. i was speaking with my mother and father and brother to see someone come a woman of indian origin, of african origin ascended the vice presidency something many of us thought unimaginable growing up. i think it highlights the extraordinary moment of the american project, that we're trying to become a multiracial democracy. canada is about 80% white. england is about 87% white. australia is 90% white. we are 62% white. we are a step in the right direction. amy: as president-elect arebiden and kamala harris preparing to assume office, debate is growing over the direction of the democratic party. this just exploded this weekend. biden's transition team reportedly is considering former ohio governor john kasich, lifelong republican for a

cabinet position. on saturday, kasich spoke on cnn. >> the best thing that has happened a joe biden is the fact that the united states and it is either going to be republican or very close. and the far-left can push him as hard as they want. right click on the democrats have to make it clear to the far left that they almost cost him this election. and that congressoman from virginia warnethe democrats comeour to talk about defunding the police? you will no support. one democrat told me at some point if they had been more clear in rejecting the hard left, they would have appealed more to americans who i believe essentially live in the middle. so i think actually he is in a better position today because being pulled from the left isn't going to work. they will not get those things done. amy: democratic congresswoman from virginia he was referring to is abigail spanberger, former c.i.a. officer who told ella democratic lawmakers on a phone call last week that "no one

should say defund the police ever again." progressive lawmakers are pushing back. an interview, alexandria ocasio-cortez said -- "progressive policies do not hurt candidates. every single candidate that cosponsored medicare for all in swing district kept their seat. we also know that cosponsoring the green new deal was not a sinker." on sunday, alexandria ocasio-cortez appeared on cnn state of the union with jake tapper. >> there are at least in the house caucus very deep divisions within the party and i believe we need to really come together and not allow republican narratives to tears apart. as you mentioned, we have a slimmer democratic majority. it will be more important than ever for us to work together and not fight each other. when we kind of come out swinging, not 48 hours after tuesday, when we don't even have

solid data yet pointing fingers and telling each other what to do, it deepens the division of the party at it is irresponsible. it is irresponsible to pour gasoline on the is already very delicate tensions in the party. it is not saying every member has to campaign as a progressive in a traditional progressive way, but it is to say we have assets to offer the party, that the party is not yet fully leaned into. amy: that is congress member alexandria ocasio-cortez. she is your sister congressmember, ro khanna. if you can respond to this? this was an onslaught attack on the progressive wing, though the progressive wing which are very much a part of is pushing back. and he really determines what happens with the biden-here's the administration if the cabinet is chosen -- can you talk about this kasich,

anberger, clyburn attack on progressives as progressives say, no, we're the reason harris and biden won? >> let's start with some facts. showedt few exit polls overwhelmingly, medicare for all , governme provided alth insurance, was popular with the american people. florida, the same state which we lost any the presidential voted for $15 minimum wage. i was the come increase working wages is popular with america people. cleantech jobs, is piper the with the american people. free public colleges popular with the american people. so the policies that we are advocating are not just for deeply blue districts. their policies that will help people in the midwest, the south come across this country. john kasich talking about how the debt is our biggest issue. where was he during the tax

cuts? where was he the last four years? where was john kasich in listening to the inadequate stimulus response of 2008 that prolonged the recovery? so we know the worst mistake that we can make is to have inadequate government spending. that is not a matter of policy, that is a matter of making sure we don't sink into a worse recession and get out of our economic mess. in the final point i will say is look, if the question is are we messy democracy with divisions across this country? absolutely. i think progressives understand we have to still do a better job of going into communities that we have not won an build public trust instead of attacking members of the party. amy: and this could determine who is in that bubble, that inner circle of the cabinet of the biden harris administration as who prevails here.

the more establishment wing is saying do not raise this once again until the georgia runoffs happens in january. your thoughts on this? but as you are saying, these are actually popular policies. >> they are popular policies and they are the correct policies. go look at what they're saying. there are many causes for donald trump and one of the causes was the recovery was too slow and uneven and that is because it was too small of stimulus. yet people like rahm emanuel saying the stimulus of $700 billion -- it turns out it was half as much. orneed to have full policies we're going to be in a world of hurt. e secondhing is, i believe we have to take the fight to the senate. we have to have full policies that are popular and make it very clear that mitch mcconnell either has to do with the american people want or he is the person standing in the way. and if we are accommodationists

an incrementalist and are not taking a bold agenda in the fight to the agenda there were going to let out a lot of people if we're not going to be on the side of progress. i think it is also that for politics. amy: speaking of the senate, now that kamala harris becomes vice president of the united states, her seat becomes vacant as junior senator of california. there are a number of names of those that are being talked about, maxine waters, barbara lee. your name has also come up. if gavin newsom chose you, would you accept that? >> i certainly would be open to it but i think what is more important as he chooses a progressive, that he chooses someone that is medicare for all, someone for police accountability and does not run from that issue, that he chooses soone that is going tond the filibuster once we have a senate majority, jesus on who is going to push for systemic reform. they should be out bold

progressive. some of the people being considered are not. i think that is the fight. amy: are you on the conference call on thursday where the it,crats really went at where abigail spanberger spoke and was extremely angry -- the loss oflaming democratic congressmember seats -- i think at last count was seven, though they retained the majority -- on progressives? did you speak out? >> i did. i did speak up. it was a three hour call. first of all, the call was a day or two after election and emotions are raw. i think sam has been overhyped. people right after election, especially in close elections, they're going to speak out. i did not view it as negative. we have a very, very divided country. we are trying to do something very difficult.

the districts are very different. kindact that we have this of diversity in the caucus and are not just on boilerplate talking points, frankly, is a good thing in helping us construct a common narrative. the question is, are we going to be fighting with each other or are we going to have some common ground? i believe we have the opportunity is a common agenda. in my view, that should be starting with jobs, higher wages, health care, education for everyone. i think that cuts across the spectrum. amy: the issue of foreign policy, commerce member khanna, yemen. a country you have long championed. in our headlines, the latest headlines, the watchdog -- our latest headlines say yemen is falling into a massive crisis of hunger on top of dealing with covid-19. amy, for raising

this post senator sanders and i had a work hours resolution that passed the house and senate and the president trump vetoed it when provided that we get yemeny out of the war in with no logistical support to the saudi's. i talked of folks and i believe we should do in january and have president sign that work hours resolution as indicated a willingness to do that. that would be an incredible signal. a lot more leverage to bring this war to an end. to ask you very quickly, and then we will go back to our other guests -- >> i have some time. amy: this headline in new york magazine, "please reform is probably dead under biden." then i will get response from our other two guests, eddie glaude and bree newsome bass. mistakenk it would

morally and politically. let me talk about politically first. i don't believe joe biden would have been president if it weren't for the black lives matter movement in george floyd. look at the turnout in philadelphia, atlanta, milwaukee. donald trump had high turnout. we had even higher turnout. that started because of the black lives matter movement. that started because of these people organizing. to blame the black lives matter movement were activists when in my view that is a mobilization that put biden into the white house is flat out wrong. i don't know what data they're looking at. vice president biden present let biden has that he understands he owes this election to the african-american community and came out and voted -- i don't see how he turns his back on them without getting real substantive -- i think would be unconscionable. at the very least, we should get the senate and the president to pass the reforms the house has already passed aboutoldi

itself is accountable and have enforced be a last resort. amy: thank you for being with us, congressmember ro khanna of california, one of the names that is being put forward as possible replacement for kamala harris, now that she ascends to the vice presidency at the end of january. we're also talking to professor eddie glaude of princeton university and bree newsome bass, well-known antiracist activist who scaled that flagpole in south carolina and took down the confederate flag. we will continue with them in a moment. ♪ [music break]

amy: "the president sang amazing grace" performed by kronos quartet and meklit. the song recalls president obama's eulogy for the charleston church shooting victims and pays homage to the moment president obama sang "amazing grace" during a funeral of the south carolina state senator and pastor clement of pinckney, was also killed during the massacre. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. history has been made. vicedent-elect joe biden president-elect kamala harris. manya harris set so precedents here. she becomes the first woman vice president, the first african-american vice president, the first indian-american vice

president, first south asian vice president. the first tamil american vice president. the first caribbean american vice president. her father from jamaica. as we continue our conversation with eddie glaude and -- as well as bree newsome bass, we're going to turn right now to a comment that is brewing part of the debate that is happening right now about the direction of the democratic party stop this is house majority whip james clyburn of south carolina who went on several sunday talk shows to criticize calls to defund the police, arguing the phrase for democratic congressional candidates. here he is on "meet the press" citing the defeat of jaime harrison in south carolina against incumbent republican senator lindsey graham. harrison, defund the

police, showed up with the caption on tv right acrossis ht jamie. stuff that is why i spoke out a long time ago. i have always said that these headlines can kill a political effort. amy: that is congress member clyburn speaking on the sunday talk shows. withrn is accredited really joe biden winning the democratic primaries, having endorsed him right before the south carolina primary, which then launched him to victory. i want to first go to bree newsome bass. you're in the carolinas but you're in the other one, north carolina. can you talk about this major debate, this debate for the soul of the democratic party right now? >> certainly.

first of all, to this argument being made so fiercely right now attacking the defund the police effort, i have yet to see anyone provide any concrete data that supports that claim other than people making this conjecture. i live in the carolinas. i have seen all of the ads that have been running. there also running a lot of ads into dry -- type jamie harrison to hillary clinton and nancy pelosi. unless anyone are showing guided they can really show one or the other is what led to jim here --ce specifically pie toy in plateauing in a deeply red state, an uphill battle against lindsey graham to begin with, i know -- i frankly don't give that a whole lot of weight. i think again we cannot gloss aspects of this whole situation. we talking about a situation

with the democratic leadership is making -- simultaneously making the claim that we need to reach across the aisle, we need to engage in bipartisanship with the party that is not acknowledging the election results, the party that just tried to prevent us from having a free and fair election, the party that engaged in rampant voter suppression, disenfranchisement and intimidation -- in particular in communities of color -- the party that, you know, is completely opposed to the idea of our existence. the party that is essentially advocating a form of genocide that hasedical neglect been ravaging our communities. and so we can't just gloss over what people are saying the path forward is to build with republicans and at the same time to essentially demonize, make a

bogeyman of like activism and lack causes. ro khanna is correct. organizers -- the same exact people that have been organizing in black communities around issues that act as that mobilize those voters from the biden-person. i've seen people make progressives as being divisive or ending the truth within the democratic party and it is quite the opposite. you had a situation where you have a significant segment of people who either traditionally vote democrat -- a lot of people who are completely disengaged from the electoral process completely because they feel that regardless of who is in power, their needs are not met. regardless of who is in power, the police continue to kill us. regardless of who is in power, we do not have access to proper health care, access to housing

all stop so you have a lot of organizers who had to do a lot of heavy lifting to convince folks that it was worthwhile simply to get trump o, to mobilize behind biden and harris. that is why i georgia turning out, arizona turning out as it did. in my view for anyone to look at the election results and the take away to be we need to figure out how to appeal to the lindsey graham voters and, you know, and the deeply red districts as opposed to recognizing that there is an entire electorate that is younger, that represents where the electorate is going -- it is younger, more diverse company can when he stays in the south. this is the argument that stacey abrams has been making for some time. incentive looking and saying how can we invest more in black and indigenous people, organizing, how can we really look at those

issues, going to what ro khanna was saying, politically, that makes a lot more sense than paying come how do we tap into the electorate that lost the presidential election? electorate that is shrinking? and morally, the electorate that opposes democracy? because they are more committed to racism than they arene to pa. cannot -- wek we cannot gloss over. yes, i recognize that james clyburn is a long-standing politician from south carolina. he is black. i am sure he recognizes what the political landscape isis like in ro the senate race georgia if the case they're making is that we're going to lean more toward republican tn maki it clear to people unless they turn folks out for the senate seats in georgia, you're

t nogoing to have access to the things you need like health care and these other things. if they embrace a more centrist or republican agenda,he t take away from folks is going to be that it doesn't matter whether they turn out to vote or not. i think it isike the complete opposite. and the fact the focus in the immediate aftermath of the election when we are still dealing with the election -- situation of a president that does not acknowledge the election results, stoking balance among white supremacists who are threatening violence against sitting governors, who have threatened to blow up ballot counting centers, that folks would pick defunding the police as the target come as the threat, as the danger when you're talking about communities that are still being killed by police insult turning out to support this party in spite of that, complete opposite direction of where they should be going. amy: that brings us to professor eddie glaude. professor, tweeted this james baldwin "it always seems much easier to murder than to change,

and this is really the choice with which we are confronted now." explain. thehere's a sense in which reckoning that we find ourselves involves question of whether or not we're going to fundamentally embrace the idea that we are multiracial democracy. the history of the country suggests constantly when faced with that question, we will double down on violence. that america will choose violence to defend its way of life, defend those noxious assumptions that in some ways have led to the organization of our way of life predicated upon this idea that white people ought to be valued more than others. that they will in fact exact certain kind of violence to defend that view. so baldwin and this moment is kind of marking this. that america is always talking about it is changing but it never changes, right? what is so interesting about the conversation around the

democratic party is that it is actually insane that we would think the way to respond to the scale of problems that we confront as a nation is to harken back to an older form of politics that is third wave democratic politics, that tries to trying to lead an appeal to this race and democrat that they are so assessed with as a way of responding to this problem. it makes no sense that we would go back to the politics that actually produced trumpism in the first place. the second point -- the third point is this, we can't allow these folks to disentangle trumpism from the republican party. i think this is what bree newsome bass is trying to say. we can't allow them to disentangle these two things. there one in the same. so what are you asking for when you talk about reaching across the aisle? what are you asking us to do when you talk about reaching across the aisle in unity?

we won't do that again. that is not going to happen this time. lastly, we need to get beyond hijinks of these narrow labels, the politics is much more muddled. we need to get beyond these narrow labels. we need to get beyond big government and small government and smar government get to transformational government. we need to understand what defund the police means. budget your values. that is what it means at the heart of it. why are you spending 60% of your municipal budgets of policing we have education, social services and the like? stop lying. stop line. attention to who biden appoints as the secretary of treasury. towe get another rubenite, someone in that tradition, we know what we got. remember we celebrate yesterday and the day before, but today begins the hard work. the problems of this nation require us to break from the old frame step we will not allow

clyburn, we will not allow kamala harris' significance, the threat of donald trump to get us from seeing that is the issue. we have to break the political frame that got us into this mess in the first place. amy: i would ask you better, lotk male voters come a more numbers this time than last time. my colleague cohost juan gonzalez did a brilliant analysis of the information that is come out on who voted in this unprecedentedly high turnout campaign, highest and absolute history. thisit looks like at point, as he was pointing out, white voters did not increase that much. that meant people of color increased. yes, more people of color voted for trump but overwhelmingly more voted for joe biden and kamala harris.

apparently, many people are concerned -- well, obviously, many people are concerned about how close the election was. trump winning possibly about at this point 57% of the white vote. in "time" your piece magazine set alongside the details of policy and the particulars of governing and deeply divided country, biden will have to confront what donald trump refused to face. that our way of life is broken. can you and with that? >> sure. we have to deal with the debt. -- with the dead. we had to deal with loneliness and what does it mean for us to be stuck in our homes and hidden behind our masks were social interactions are determined by the specter of death and the virus. and of course, the principal issue is the -- yeah folks that have instantly given up stakes

and any american life for their own selfish end. when we look at those numbers among black and latino men, we can say the epidemic of selfishness doesn't end at the doorstep of white people. yeah people were concerned about their 401(k)s, concerned about their own individual self interests. anye folks opted out of robust conception of the public good. we're going to have to deal with death, loneliness and selfishness and how it poses annexes dental threat to our democratic way of life. and everybody is bringing a black man. we look at black folks in the about what happened in atlanta and milwaukee and detroit in philly, uc the path for biden and here's ticket to the white house to black america, like in voted at 80 plus percent and you need to start talking about white women who voted 56% for donald trump. given what he has done. but who is at the center of

gravity of politics? who are folks thinking about all the time in certain sort of way? these numbers will allow us to drill down at some point but we need to understand the reality for what it is. amy: the last 30 seconds, bree newsome bass. >> i think there is this constant abusive relationship between party polics and black communities where we are scapegoated when it is convenient and thrown under the bus when it is convenient and otherwise it is show up to the polls to help us stay in power because we can't get elected without you. that is the dynamic that has to end. when it is time to scapegoat and talk about why to trump do better, then they want to talk about black men. when it is time to talk about the issues and what need to vote for biden, no one wants to talk about defunding the police. that dynamic has to end. it is important for everyone to recognize the black movement, the black organizing of our communities come that is independent of the democratic party. we are interacting with party

politics but this movement began during the obama administration and will continue to the obama administration. we are not altering our agenda. amy: we have to leave it there. us,k you for being with bree newsoxxxxxxdñoooooooo e

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