>> human rights watch says israel is subjecting palestinians to apartheid. they are accusing the ngo of being anti-semitic. three westerners are killed on a media trip. they are part of a team making a documentary about wildlife poaching. terrorists are behind what they are calling executions. at least three people killed as thousands take the streets at the capital of chad. demonstrating against what they are calling a military coup.

thank you for being with us. human rights watch says israel is pursuing an apartheid policy against the palestinians. it cites seizure of land, restrictions on movement, and the 2018 nationstate will as examples. the is -- report has been condemned, and have been accused of harboring an anti-israel agenda. the palestinian president welcomed the findings. >> in a sweeping report, humans rights watch claims israeli policies toward palestinians constitute crimes of apartheid and persecution. among the examples, restrictions on movement, land confiscation for jewish settlements, and denial of residency rights. the findings applied to palestinians in the west bank, gaza, and israel. >> the israeli government rules over the area between the jordan river and mediterranean sea, were the two groups of roughly

equal size live. the israeli government methodically privileged jewish israelis, governing them under a systemic system of laws and privileges, was systematically repressing palestinians. at various degrees of intensity based on where they live. the reality for millions of palestinians is apartheid and persecution. >> israel rejected the report. the foreign ministry describing it as preposterous and false. the sentiment echoed by this analyst. >> this report is nothing more than a fabrication of fantasy, and misrepresentation, which is anti-semitic, because it is designed to delegitimize the jewish state. reporter: human rights watch called on the international criminal court to conduct additional investigations into the claims. the icc already launched a probe into alleged war crimes with the israeli military and militant

group hamas, both named as possible perpetrators. >> let's go to kenneth roth, the executive director of human rights watch. thank you for being with us. the palestinians, are the victims of apartheid? >> human rights watch had done a detailed study over the past two years. they compiled a 213 page report detailing the ways in which the israeli government policy toward the palestinians adds up to the cres against humanity of persecution and apartheid. we are not making a historical analogy to south africa, but there are two treaties that define apartheid. e calling the convention, the other being the rome statute of the international criminal court. they require an intent by one racial group to dominate another. we found that through various

statements, policies, and actions to manipulate to ensure israeli jews get access to land that palestinians don't. cond a third, you need to show systematic oppression and inhumane acts, and we found those in the occupied territories. examples being the mask up station -- confiscation of land, settlements to things like water, the palestinian villages. if you live in a vlage nearby, the settlements go up, but you can't even add aedroom without vernment permission. your 100 times more likely to get a demolition order for your hous then you are to get permission to build an extra bedroom. travel restrictions, relocation of residency permits. there are a variety of factors adding up to the kind of systematic, oppressive

discrimination among apartheid. >> you have done your research, as you said. we heard in our report one israeli commentator calling human rights watch anti-semitic. we spoke with the deputy mary -- mayor of jerusalem, bear with us. >> human rights watch is an organization with zero credibility. doesn't even attempt to be balanced. when you have an organization that doesn't even attempt to be balanced, why take them seriously? last 20 or 30 years. that is kind of a cultural appropriation of the south afcan people who really lived in an apartheid state. to put this label on israel is lazy and slander. >> the south african, and your

first reply, but this idea human rights watch is anti-israel or anti-semitic, what would you say? >> anti-semitism is a horrible practice, horrible form of hatred which human rights watch regulates -- 10 ounces, and we oppose -- denounces, and we oppose it. the same international standards apied to israel as evebody else. the claim we are sehow anti-israe ignores the fact that within the israel context, we report on abuses by the palestinian authority, hamas, hezbollah, we report onbuses by all of israel's neighbors, applying the se standards to israel as to the other countries around the world where we work. it is kind of a last recourse of governments who don't want to engage with the facts. but the israeli government has

not refuted a single fact in these pages. which fact iwrong? what part of the analysis? there is none of that, just name calling, labeling people as anti-semitic. the first way to recognize reality is to admit it, admit how bad it is, and hopefully change. that is not where the israeli government is. >> some of the documents we have made seems to back up what you were saying. given the prevailing attitudes and israel, how can the plight of the palestinians change positively? >> a lot of it will depend on the reaction of western governments. governments like france. when we talk to them about how bad it is in the territories, they know that. they recognize it is horrible. but there is a peace process. we hope ultimately it will

change when we have peace. we have heard that for 30 years. it is time to say we want peace, a political settlement, but we can't wait forever. palestinians are suffering today, facing the kind of oppressive discrimination that is appropriately characterized as apartheid. we can't tell them not to worry, because someday there might be peace. we have to be able to do both, perceive a peace process and press the israeli government to stop its systematic persecution of the occupied territories. >> kenneth roth, thank you for joining us. two spanish journalists and an irishman has been killed. officials have described it as an execution after an anti-poaching patrol -- patrol was attacked. one citizen is believed to be

among those missing. the attackers used 2 pickup vehicles and a dozen motorbikes. the prime minister explained why the spanish journalists were there. >> they were working on a documentary about operations to protect nature reserves to protect natural resources against poaching, and abohe human community settled in this nature reserve. the information about what happened is still confusing. >> it is the latest incident of its sort to hit this west african nation struggling against a deadly insurgency. they have a worsening security problem. >> before 2015, it was largely free from extremist violence, hailed for stability in the

otherwise embattled region. over the past six years, a deadly insurgency has gripped the country. security started worsening ahead of the 2015 presidential election. while it signaled the return of democracy after 15 years of semi-autocratic re, the transition was wrought from the start. two months before the poll, a military coup sot to overthrow the interim government. although it failed, it created a pack -- power vacuum that destabilize the country ever since. weeks after the president was inaugurated, and attack at the heart of the country. in january 2016, al qaeda and the islamic -- rated the hotel and restauran killing 30 people. >> in spite of our deep pain, we was not given to pressure. human life is too sacred. it should not be taken so

savagely by individuals in these cursed times we live in. >> and insurgency with origins in the countries north have spread to the east, now covering territories. the militant groups operating in the landlocked country include the greater sahara and theirte affiliates. porous borders allow them to move between countries. kidnappings have also become common. westerners often the targets. security forces have also been accused of violence towards civilians, as well as extrajudicial killings. since conflict erupted, more than 1000 people have been killed, and roughly one million have fled their homes. it is now one of the fastest growing displacement crises in the world. >> at least three people killed

as thousands to the streets in the capital of chad, demonstrating against what they call a military coup. -- following the death a week ago in a battle zone to the north. the military man is promising elections in 18 months. it echoes a demand made by the french president this tuesday. >> today, we want to express our concern about the evolution of the situation by condemning in the strongest possible terms the repression of the demonstrations and violence that took place this morning. we call for respects by the commitment made of a peacel, politically inclusive transition. >> for wider analysis, we were joined by our international affairs editor. >> it is a two-pronged attack.

he is trying to rally support within the country for what he says he is trying to do. that is already difficult, because what he is perceived as doing is trying to prolong the family hold on power in chad. that is with the opposition doesn't want to see. 30 years worth without his son taking over. it has been mostly a travesty of democracy in the country, and just before idris deby was killed a week ago, there were elections in which he won 80%, criticizing anyone from the opposition to come forward and contest the president has been marginalized. we have the remarks we see from the french president, that it is not a succession, the sun is not taking over from the father, and

it will be another 30 years. france wants a process of democracy. so the new president who has formed this new military transitional counsel has said we are going to reform the country and hold elections within the next 18 months, and they will be democratic. after that, chad will move forward. it is national unity, and we are going to move forward with a democratic process in 18 months. >> our international affairs editor watching for all developments. stay with us. >> welcome to the france 24 interview. our guest is vincent brutal,

rwanda's foreign minister, he joins us from brussels. thank you for being with us. a few weeks ago, a commission of historians in france gave a report to president macron invoking the overwhelming responsibilities of france in the genocide against the tutsi's back in 1994. would it ruled out france's complicity in the genocide. for years, rwandan authorities have accused paris of being complicit, and even participating in the genocide, in the words used back in 2014, rwanda welcomed this recent report. have you changed your mind that france is not complicit and did

not participate in the genocide in 1994? >> let me first and foremost command the political courage of president macron, who commissioned the report, and the report is a very important step to uncovering the truth, the genocide against the tutsi in 1984. it is a very important step. the government has also commissioned another report, which concluded almost the same. a heavy responsibility of france in the genocide. but our report was not a criminal investigation report, it was a fact-finding mission

about establishing the truth based on the existing information and archives. it was the same with france. those reports converged on the same conclusion, it is a very important step towards establishing the historical truth so both countries can come together and be in a new relationship. criminal investigations can be done, but they cannot be based on the reports that had a different objective. our report was about establishing criminal responsibility, establishing the facts. that was the case of the clear commission. that is what i can say on that.

>> nevertheless, it is important to clarify. you say both reports converge, it is a departure from saying france not only was complicit, participating in the genocide, it now means rwanda is saying they acknowledge france had a role, but not a direct role in the genocide. >> it is clear that -- the reports that it was not direct -- there is no direct role of french personnel in rwanda at that time. there is a heavy responsibility, the complicity, those are semantics. it has an equal implication, but

heavy responsibility or those very important conclusions. @@i'm not going to compare complicity -- the legal term, but those reports, we are analyzing them. we should also remember the archives have not been accessible yet. maybe in the future, but on those reports, analyzing the archives and coming up with a different conclusion. >> clearly it is a departure from previous reports. back in 2008, the commission

accused france of severe involvement. there was essentially the notion that there could be legal consequences. now you are clearly not about to launch legal cases against former french military or political officials, because it is not the atmosphere. >> at least not basing on those reports. we are not going to start legal actions based on those reports. puts emphasis on the responsibilities of the political actors. the personnel were just implementing the orders received from the political actors. so we focused on those politicians instead of looking at which personnel have been

doing. they were just implementing the orders received from the president, to the commander-in-chief. when we talked about the reports, there is a different approach, different objective. or you can use of the information and come up with different conclusions. the mission was not about establishing criminal responsibilities of the military officers in rwanda at the time. >> there seems to be a clear political objective. attaining the full-fledged re-consultation between france and rwanda. do you think it is now feasible? >> president macron has had the

political courage to commission the report. we think the report and the one commissioned by the government of rwanda have come up with the same conclusion. they constitute a strong foundation on the relationship in the future between both countries. >> a very symbolic gesture for france to formally apologize for its past actions, like the u.s. has done, belgium has done, the united nations, would you like to see france 2 so in order to build a better future? >> we leave it to france. the commission was not established on the demand of the government of rwanda. if that commission is established to come up with that

report, i'm sure the french government will know how to use the report for the future. >> are you expecting visits from emmanuel macron soon? >> that visit could have happened before the report. there are other french president who have -- rwanda, not to have been there for the initial visit couldave been organized. as a country ready to receive the president of france whenever he wants to visit. >> you hope to see him soon? >> yes, we are talking about such a visit. but we don't have the details yet. any time he wishes to visit, we

will see him. >> i want to ask about a discussion you have had with your belgian counterparts regarding paul ruth, the former owner of a hotel in kigali and has been celebrated for saving people during the genocide. he is on trial on terrorism charges. his lawyers have criticized the way he has been brought to rwanda, saying he is undergoing an unfair trial. the prime minister has expressed her worries about the way the case was being handled, we heard criticism from the u.s. from the european parliament. is there a problem with the way rwanda is handling his trial and the way it is dealing with political opponents like him? >> rwanda is committed to deliver a fair and transparent

trial to that gentleman for other citizens. but we don't really need any supervision right now, or any power. we can do that, because we have situations when they work, and we a committed to deliver a transparent and fair trial. >> are you annoyed when the belgium minister tells you she is worried? >> she can be worried. the family might be worried for various reasons, but there is no reason to be worried. the trial will be fair and transparent. >> thank you very much for appearing here on the france 24 interview. stay tuned here for more news.

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