05/04/21 05/04/21 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from new york, this is democracy now! >> there is something we need to talk about. three words that summarize the whole history of humanity. this is the origin of the ideology of white supremacy. this is me in the middle. i just want to understand, why

do i bring myself into this story? neutrality is not an option. it is time to own up to a basic truth, the story of survival and violence. we know now what task is. exterminate all the brutes. amy: "exterminate all the brutes." that is the title ofn epic new sweepi sies by t haitian lmker raoul peck aut coloniism, white suprecy and gecide. >>agnet thttracted europe seters. this partilar rm o conialism called seler lonialis but as a syste require vience. iteqres theliminatn of e nativesnd the repletion --

replacent by euroan settlers amy: arepublic lawmake sh schoo to prome patrtic educion, we ll spend thhour witraoul pe and s very dferent te on the founding of the united states and more. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. president biden has raised the cap on the number of refugees admitted to the united states to 62,500 this year. the president's announcement comes after weeks of backlash from refugee rights groups and some democrats who condemned biden's previous decision to keep the trump-era refugee cap of 15,000 -- a record low. biden also ended trump's restrictions on refugees from syria, yemen, and somalia and added more slots for refugees from central america, africa, and the middle east.

rights groups applauded biden's move as it is expected it could pave the way for the u.s. to raise its cap to 125,000 refugees by the next fiscal year. however, biden admitted monday the u.s. would likely not be able to reach either target this year or next due to the pandemic and roadblocks in the resettlement process, which biden attributes to the trump administration. the humanitarian group world relief said last month the biden administration's claims it needed to fully rebuild the refugee resettlement process were "a completely false narrative" and "a purely political calculation." only about 2000 refugees were resettled in the u.s. between october and march. in more immigration news, four parents from honduras, guatemala, and mexico will be reunited with their children in

the u.s. after being separated under former president trump's zero tolerance policy. they are the first families to be reunited on u.s. soil since the biden administration began its reunification process. at least two of the mothers have been separated from their children since 2017. the biden administration initially agreed to reunite 35 parents with their children out of more than 1000 youths who remain separated. the immigrant justice group al otro lado said the homeland security department had done nothing to facilitate the return of the four parents. it was al otro lado which negotiated their travel visas, paid for their airline tickets, and arranged the reunification. in a statement, the group said -- "these mothers have been waiting, in danger in mexico, for over three years. we represent over 30 other parents, who like these mothers, were ready for return on day one

of the biden presidency. there is no reason other than lack of political will for dhs to make these families undergo even one more day of separation and torture." india reported another 357,000 new coronavirus cases and nearly 3500 deaths tuesday as india's total caseload during the pandemic passed 20 million. a critical shortage of oxygen showed no signs of abating, with residents turning to social media to appeal for oxygen canisters for sick relatives and friends. meanwhile, long lines at crematoriums and overflowing hospitals across india suggest the government is vastly under-reporting the extent of india's crisis. this is a worker at a crematorium in india's capital, new delhi. >> people have to wait for at least five hours to seven hours before getting a chance to cremate the bodies.

the bodies are not even being cremated properly because there only for to five priests who are performing the ritual. as you can see, the bodies of the cremated rapidly. there is still a long queue of ambulances carrying bodies of covid-19 victims outside the crematorium. amy: india's covid crisis has spilled into neighboring nepal, which reported a record one-day high of daily infections tuesday. nepal's army began cremating the remains of covid victims in open areas of kathmandu after temples and crematoriums ran out of space. nepal's ministry of health has issued an urgent appeal for millions of vaccine doses, calling the crisis unmanageable. south america's covid crisis shows little sign of abating. argentina's total caseload reached 3 million this week, with many intensive care units and hospital beds filled to capacity. in brazil, where covid-19 has caused one in three deaths this year, ficialhave begun delaying appointments for second doses of vaccines amid

shortages. the biden administration is under increasing pressure to support a waiver of patent rights for covid-19 vaccines as the world trade organization prepares to meet wednesday and thursday. dozens of countries from the global south, led by india and south africa, are pushing for a waiver to allow countries to ramp up production, vaccinate more people, and bring the pandemic to an end sooner. on monday, the head of the world health organization said a wto rule allowing for a temporary suspension of intellectual property rights was written to specifically address global emergencies like the pandemic. >> the provision of waving ipo's was meant for emergencies and this is unprecedented. amy: on monday, moderna said it would make 500 million doses of its vaccine available to poorer countries beginning late this year.

kate elder, senior vaccines policy adviser for doctors without borders, welcomed moderna's announcement but noted e vast bulk of the doses are scheduled for 2022. she tweeted, "doses are needed now." the united states reported fewer than 50,000 coronavirus cases on monday as the seven-day average of new infections fell to its lowest level since october. hospitalizations and deaths are continuing a slow decline. in florida, governor ron desantis suspended the last of florida's covid-19 restrictions monday after signing a bill that will allow him to overrule local ergency orders. new york, new jersey, and connecticut said monday they would roll back most covid restrictions on may 17. new york city's subway will return to 24-hour service, and restaurants, museums, theaters, gyms, and retail outlets are set to expand services. meanwhile, "the new york times" reports the food and drug administration is preparing to authorize emergency use of

pfizer's covid-19 vaccine for children ages 12 to by early 15 next week. in north carolina, andrew brown, jr. was laid to rest monday amid growing questions over why sheriff's deputies opened fire on him, shot him to death on april 21. brown was a 42-year-old black father from elizabeth city who was shot five times by officers serving an arrest warrant. one bullet struck brown in the back of the head. brown's family has only seen a 20-second snippet of police body camera video, which they say shows brown had his hands on the steering wheel of his car when he was killed. on monday, the reverend al sharpton delivered the eulogy at andrew brown's funeral. >> i know a con game when i see it. release the whole tape and let folks see what happened to

andrew brown. this must stop. enough is enough. how many funerals do we have to have before we tell the congress and the senate that you've got to do something? amy: president joe biden began a nationwide tour monday to promote his $4 trillion infrastructure plan, saying it's time for corporations and the wealthiest households to start paying their fair share of taxes. biden spoke from a community college in norfolk, virginia. pres. biden: i come from the corporate capital of the world. morely corporations are incorporated in the state of delaware than all the rest of the nation combined. and i am not anticorporate, but it is about time they start paying their fair share. amy: the environmental protection agency moved monday to phase out the use of hydrofluorocarbons, highly potent greenhouse gases commonly used in refrigerants.

the epa's plan calls for an 85% reduction in the use of the chemicals over the next 15 years. climate scientists say a rapid phase-out of hydrofluorocarbons worldwide would help prevent a global temperature rise of one-half of one degree celsius by the end of the century. in west virginia, a landmark trial kicked off in federal court monday as local governments seek accountability from drug companies over the opioid crisis. the city of huntington and cabell county in west virginia are seeking over $1 billion from the nation's three largest drug distributors -- mckesson, amerisourcebergen, and cardinal health. plaintiffs say the companies flooded their communities with addictive pain medications despite their known dangers, causing a public nuisance and fueling the country's devastating opioid epidemic, which has claimed hundreds of thousands of lives. if the case is successful, it

could have major implications for thousands of similar lawsuits around the country brought by cities, counties, native american tribes, and other plaintiffs. in colombia, the family of 17-year-old marcelo agredo is demanding justice after a police officer fatally shot the boy while he attended a protest against the government's proposed tax reforms wednesday. -- proposed tax reforms last week. new disturbing video shows the officer fatally shooting agredo while the teen was running away from thefficer. agredo was at the march with his brother. his father is a retired taxi driver. at least 19 people have been killed and hundreds more wounded during the days-long demonstrations. massive otests ctinue ev ter coluia presint iván duque thdrew t plannedax reforms asng mounts ainst his ght-wing government and worsening poverty, unemployment and inequity in the country.

in el salvador, rights groups are warning of a worsening political crisis after the salvadoran legislative assembly, which is controlled by the political party of president nayib bukele, voted to unseat five supreme court judges and the country's attorney general. the committee in solidarity with the people of el salvador, or cispes, is calling the judges' ousting illegal and an assault on democratic institutions. other salvadoran groups also condemned the move. >> we categorically condemn this . amy: in response, cispes is demanding the u.s. withdraw funding for the salvadoran

military police and to stop sending aid that they argue only benefits the economic interest of the corrupt elite. in mexico cityat least 23 people were killed and dozens more injured monday night after a subway overpass collapsed while a train was passing over it. two subway cars were left dangling precariously from the ruined bridge. rescue operations were halted overnight while authorities brought in a crane to help stabilize the wreckage. local residents had reported cracks ithe bridge after a poweul earthque in 2017. texas republican senator ted cruz is under fire for threatening to punish corporations whose ceo's have spoken out against voter suppression efforts like georgia's recently-passed election law. in a recent "wall street journal" op-ed headlined "your woke money is no good here," senator cruz writes -- "this time, we won't look the other way on coca-cola's $12 billion in back taxes owed. this time, when major league baseball lobbies to preserve its multibillion-dollar antitrust exception, we'll say no thank

you." walter shaub, the former director of the office of government ethics, responded -- "this may be the most openly corrupt thing any senator has said." republican lawmakers in kansas have failed to enact legislation that would have banned transgender athletes from participating in girls' and women's sports. monday's 26-to-14 vote by the kansas state senate was one vote shy of the two-thirds majority needed to override democratic governor laura kelly's veto of . similar anti-trans bills have recently become law in alabama, arkansas, idaho, mississippi, tennessee, and west virginia. and the transgender community is mourning the loss of ballroom legend and activist jahaira dealto, who was fatally stabbed in boston sunday. she was 43 years old. she belonged to the house which

set in statement "let us not forget her ongoing work against domestic abuse and continue to uplift her name and ensure her memory lives on in this ironic twist of fate." she was also a caregiver for other members of the trans community. last year on mother's day, she wrote on twitter, "i am the mother who raised the children whose rainbow sparkled to brightly and blinded their birth moms. i cherish what they discarded for their babies who still needed raising, i did that." she was at least the 21st trans person to be killed in the u.s. in 2021 with activists wearing this year is on track to become the deadliest for trans people. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. when we come back, we will be joined by the acclaimed haitian filmmaker raoul peck to talk

about his new stunning documentary series "exterminate all the brutes" about colonialism, white supremacy, genocide, and more. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break]

amy: joined by my cohost, shaikh. nermeen: hi, amy. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. amy: republican lawmers are continuing their attack on schools for teaching students about the true history of the united states, from the genocide of native americans to the legacy of slavery. last week, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell wrote a

letter to education secretary miguel cardona criticizing what he described as the department's promotion of revisionist history including "the new york times" 1619 project, which re-examined the pivotal role slavery played in the founding of the united states. in his letter, mcconnell wrote -- "americans never decided our children should be taught that our country is inherently evil." "new york times" reporter nicole hannah jones, who created the 1619 project, responded by saying " "republicans across the u.s. are pushing laws to mandate 'patriotic' education & to prohibit the teaching of the 6019 project -- 1619 project and about the nation's racist past." well, today, we spend the hour looking at an epic new series that delves deeply into the legacy of european colonialism from the americas to africa. the documentary is titled "exterminate all the brutes,"

directed by the haitian-born filmmaker raoul peck. it has been described as an unflinching narrative of genocide and exploitation, beginning with the colonizing of indigenous american land. this is the documentary's trailer. >> here is the story we have been told. in columbus' travel journal, numeral discover. but there is no such thing as alternative facts. there is something we need to talk about. three words that summarize the whole history of humanity. symbolization, colonization, extermination. this is the origin of the ideology of white supremacy. this is me in the middle. i just want to understand, why do i bring myselinto this

story? because i am in immigrate from a country -- not an option. ntit is time to own up to a basc truth. the story of survival and violence. we know now what the task is. exterminate. it is not knowledge we lack. we already know enough. what is missing is the courage to understand what w know. who are we? what if from the beginning the story was told the wrong way? the nightmare is buried deep i our consciousness. so deeply do not recognize it.

over the centuries, buried. because the past has a future we never expect. amy: that is the trailer for the hbo documentary series "exterminate all the brutes," which is available on hbo and hbo max. "time" magazine said the series may well be "the most politically radical and intellectually challenging work of nonfiction ever made for television." we are joined by the oscar-nominated raoul peck who joined his friend france. he was born in haiti, grew up in the democratic republic of congo after his parents fled the duvalier dictatorship. his past films include "i am not your negro" about james baldwin, "lumumba" about congolese prime minister, the founding leader of

congo patrice lumumba, and the young karl marx. raoul peck, it is great to have you back on democracy now! this is an epic masterpiece, this four hour documentary series. can you talk about how you went from "i am not your negro," which was the story of james baldwin, to creating this masterpiece? >> well, basically after "i am not your negro," i went throughout the world. i was fornate to able to see how the film was received many different places. one of the common threads that was the type of reaion that you just mentioned like senate leader mitch mcconnell, you

know, somehow a sign that they feel they are entrenched now, they are attacked. there is great fear about some sort of civilization going overboard. d for me it is a symbol that the type of light, the type of propaganda, the type of abuse that we have been subject during all these years. i am old enough to have heard many of the people like mcconnell and many others through out the years. the only difference now is we have the means to come to them. we have the means to tell the real story. and that is exactly what i decided to do once and for all put everything on the table without any semblance of holding back my punches.

everything is on the table. i haveeen on the table for a long time. except it was in little bits everywhere. science and sociology, etc., politics, have been cut up in little pieces. so we lost the wider perspective. in the film does that, to bring us to the cross strait, to have the whole metrics of the last 700ears of basically eurocentric ideology and narrative. nermeen: in providing this broader historical context, you traced the origin of contemporary modern form of biological racism to the spanish inquisition and the so-called purity of blood statute that

was a means of distinguishing all christians from jews from the pureblood of christians. these laws you say are the antecedents of the ideology of white sremacy. for the first time in the world, the idea of race based on blood was enshrined into law. so how should we understanthe continuity between the purity of blood statutes and the forms of racist violence we witness today? because the entire argument of this truly magnificent work that the past is not really past. it is, as you say, the past has a future that we can't anticipate. >> well, the saying is that we are accustomed to not sing history as a continuity, as you

say. he came from very specific history. we are not some sort of tribe where -- they came out of nowhere. today's civilization is basically embedded in a capitastic society. and that story started around the 10th and 11th century with the first accumulation of riches , accompanied by killing of jews, killing muslims, trying to go although to jerusal. those first crusades were able to create -- not create, to basically extract a lot of riches that allow the monarchy to be able to finance trips to

discovering new roads to the east. and the accident, which it was, of the so-called discovery, of the new continent w not somethinthey pnned. and when it ppened, basically cated a total new coept, whi is the ncept of discery. and fromhat y on, you could ju go someere, put alag, depl militarand say,this is m" nmatter w was on e landefore. and remind you at the me of columbus, there were basically 100 llion pplon both contints and ameca. you canmagine wt it meant within 100 yearsmore tn 90% of them were totally annihilated. so it is a very specific moment inhe history of the modern

world. for the u.s., it seems like it is the beginni of a w world but it is a continuity of a lot ofction, the socef europeanivilizatn, basilly. amy:et'go to a ip fm "eerminatell the btes where youxplain stler colonialism. fm th begning, e expaion of t united stas from seao shinin sea w the tention design ofhe couny's unders. freeand waa magnethat tracted ropean stlers. th parcular rm of colonialism cled -- but aa systemit requis violence, reires the elimination of the natives and their replacement by the european settlers. amy: this is anoer clip from your sers "exterminate all the brutes" and it is from enticin

where a white man, played by the actor josh hartnett, engages in a standoff wita nati ameran leade >> i do t want t spill seminablood, kl childn, semina wom. give us bahe amecan operty y stole fm our go settlersnd i willet you ve to t engine tertory provide for ur peopl >>ou call hun beingsour proper? you still humus. what kind of fish is are you? amy: we were listening to the woman of the seminal nation. you say her goes into the deep of this continent. talk about who she is and why you choose to send to her and the seminole nation in the first

part of your series, including their solidarity with enslaved africans. >> well, the whole vision of the film is based in changing point of view of who is telling the story. and in particular because this story not only centered from europe but also in the middle of the united states of america, i have to start the film from that particular point of view of this woman who is the head of her tribe, of her nation, and basically -- you know, the seminole have been one of the rare tribes who were never really, you know, who did not really obey to the enforcement

of leaving their territories. they were called the invisible tribe. so it was important for me to start it from a point of resistance, from a point of the woman. and watching this invader basically telling her to leave her land and delivered the -- of course, that is the story that is not really well-known that a lot of slaves who escaped were welcomed by seminoles anther tres. and i nted to start wh that syolic moment of ristanc and also of solidary. anfrom the, deploy the rest of the story. nermeeaoul, that is in one of the forms of continuity that you int to.

the story of nive america is absolutely critical and the erasure of this genocidal history, in particular in e united states, is evidence as you show in the perverse use of native americanames and designations for military weapons from blackhawk to apache, as well as military operations, the most recent of which was the may 2011 operation named geronimo to assassinate osama bin laden. so could you talk a little bit more about that, the way in which native american history has been dtorted, if not entirely erased, and the uses to which has been put in contemporary u.s. politics? >> well, it is clear -- and you see that throughout the film through different types of

stories in the film is how everything is mehow cnected. the histy of theative ameran, ich for is the story, wheth it s been shedut and erase setimes told therong wayit i ke a phaom. its alady ther you n't t rid oft. there skeletons in the boxes. they come up. there are more and more coming out. it is ironic the very powerful u.s. army who was basically at its core created not only to fight the british at the beginning buwas bical used to kl indns and t kp

ac slaves on e plantaons. basilly, the.s. army at th benning washe milit. so thi story continues. is basicalla storyf 200 yes, which is in the whe histy of humankind, is nothin as long as -- u can trto reess the ory,ut it coming out there. asong thereill beative americanr blackives, th willontinue to tellhat sty. ere is no espe from . thats why what i wasaying i the binning, en you see pele like ck santom ying, we, wn we ce, there wanobody on is land. wh did youo with t 100 miion peoe? you have to expln that.

it beces morand morebsurd th republicaleadersh at at levelre capab of such ignoranc for me, its the loc of the whole sty. and at is at we try to plaiin detl in thistory of "exteinate althe brut." m objecve is toake sur thatind of euran cannot be voiced anymore. -- ignorance cannot be voiced anymore. nermeen:nother possible form of repression,nother idea that has been repressed is sething that sd linguist and his extraordinary book from which your film draws,e shows how closely intertwined the idea of progress is with racism and even genocide. in the film, you explain

darwin's essential if unintended role in providing scientific validation for racial prejudice and hierarchies with the notion of natural selection, saying in fact that genocide came to be regarded as the inevitable byproduct of progress you show in the film as well the iconic late 19th-century painting titledamerican progress." but of course, this idea of progress remains central to the way in which global society are organized. what altnatives do you see t this ideology, and where do you see it if at all taking spe? >> well, it is a very complicated question to answer. and i don't really go by that way in assessing what the future will be or what are the

solutions. i think any solution will first have to start with the real story. we need to sit down around the same table and agree. we have to agree on the genocide. we have to agree in the whole line of history that has been going on for more than 700 years. otherwise, there is no conversation possible. so i am not and we are not come if i can speak for many others, it is not about -- it is about let's see the world as it is and let's name all of the things that happened and bring us to what the world is today. that is what it is about. it is no about showing how corporate you are or not. it is about acknowledging the past and the present because

they are strongly connected. for me, the same thing as democracy. as long as we accept democracy as a mode of communication, if we want to come out of that situation, it is implied we have to sit down and have a real conversation, an honest conversation. but unfortunately, we see the dominant narrative is not ready for that. they're totally with the ck on the wall and can't let go of their huge inequality that is actually in the last 30, 40 years that have never been as extreme as it is. january 6 is also another sign of a democracy which is in a dire situation, that this country that had been seen as

the forefront of democracy and justice was able to attack the very center of that democracy. so the confusion is just huge. and it is difficult for me to acknowledge any type of solution . i think the solution should come from us, from all of us, a collective decision. that is the only vision i can have. amy: we're talking to raoul peck , the acclaimed haitian born film maker who then grew up in the democratic republic of congo as well as the united states. he is the director of the new hbo four-part documentary series "exterminate all the brutes." we continue our conversation after the break. ♪♪ [music break]

amy: "american dream" by j.s ondara. one of the songs featured in the series "exterminate all the brutes." this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman with nermeen shaikh. if you want to get our daily, digest of news, headlines, stories, and alerts, send the word democracynow -- one word, no space -- to 66866. text democracynow -- one word, no space -- to 66866. we are continuing now with our conversation with raoul peck, the haitian born film maker, director of the new hbo four-part series "exterminate all the brutes." i want to go where raoul peck

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mo of discery. anbecause at is a ip fm "extermite all t brutes." the 18th century known as the age of revolutions. we often associate this time with the american revolution or the french revolution, not the haitian revolution, which was led by black slaves come the first country in the western hemisphere to be born of a slave uprising. you say, raoul peck, guilty revolution that materialized the idea of enlightenment, freedom, fraternity, and equality for all. haiti becomes a republic and the u.s. congress would not recognize it for decades, fearful that the fact that haiti was born of the slave uprising would inspire the enslaved people of the united states to rise up as well. can you talk about the erasure

of the haitian revolution, your deown country haiti, its significance for you, and how the u.s. dealt with haiti all of these years? >> well, you know, the best words this is what michel-rolp trouillot wrote about silencing the past. it was key for the u.s. and all the other european powers to silenc the haitian revolution because it was in their eyes worse than cuba in the 1950's. we were under strict embargo because all of them had an economy that still relied on slavery. haiti was the worst example they could have. haiti was also beating them in terms of their own ideal a g dish ideology because basically

stated any man or woman or person who set foot on the island is a free person. and none of the other industrial revolutions dare go so far because they were totally involved in slavery and were profiting from it. there was no way the haitian revolution could be accepted. so when people say america is the first democratic country in the western hemisphere, it is not. it is haiti. the story continues today. we have a history of being attacked, of being invaded, of many of our leaders come to power with acceptance of the u.s. government and continue until today. basically, the last two presidents we had come into power thanks to the support of

the was government. we are, unftunate, a long story ofbuse frothe ited ates a also of restance. becausone thing thate can y is the haian peoplwere alwa,heth it tak 30 year five yes, otwo years, ey alwaymakeure th can t rid of those corrupt leader neeen: i want to a about one of the criticalssues that you raise in the las part of the film, a critical question. you talk about youown experience living in berlin where you lived for 1years and were also a film student were you made a film on nazi torture compound. you say when you are there you thought a lot about how a untry that has pduced some of humanity's best philosophers, scientists, and all -artist,

also operated one of the most devastating killing machines. many people have reflect on this question and the seeming contradiction in this fact a concluding that the holocaust was some kind of historical aberration. in other words, that it stands outside story of the enlightenment and the ideas of humanism and universalism on which currently stands t your film seems to suggest, even as this is raised as ashen, work on suggest other conclusions could be drawn. could you talk a little bit about that? >> it is nothing new. in fact, there are many scholars that have worked on that specific question for the last 50, 60 years. and of course there is a resistance to say the holocaust was a very special moment in the

life of western civilization. but it is not a continuity of the will of genocide, of eliminate people that are deemed inferior. the structure of genocide are always the same. the person who invented the word "genocide" in 1943, you know, we went to the new york public library and in that library there is a list of something around 42 previous genocides before the holocaust. and it is included genocide against the native american people. trying to make any type of genocide special i think is

really not correct way of eing the history hankind all cied from eacother. all across scific -- you can't directly comre the genocide of rwanda with the genocide of cambodia and with the holocaust. they have dferent ideogical asons. theyave different historical reasons. they have different people involved. but as the structure, as the system of genocide, they all obey the same pattern of first pitting down a special category of person, people, and then saying we are superior to them. as soon as you come to the point where they are animals or they are savages, you are allowed to

kill them. and that is the excuse always needed for every imperialist, for every coneror iorder to iminate whoev was on e nd ty wantedo conque it hpened similar thughout e histy of hunkind. d it bece more specific thin theonce of the capilisticociety becse en it waalso linketo profit. it was ao linked to ma bier terriries in der to explt largeommunies. so i have had e discuson many yrs ago, incling in germany. t toda i thinke should move paswhat would cl the confroation beten who got the biggest pain.

doe put slery confnted to the hocaust to this pn? it iot aut that. are all from the same man family it is t about o hasuffered the most i ink we he to ackwledge everpiece ofisto that happed on thlanet. and have to give sponses to em. and have toxplain w they happen. because it is the only way that eventually we can prevent them from happening again and again. amy: we want to talk more about that after this last clip from the series "exterminate all the brutes." >> treating human beings, what sick mind thought of this first, brought by force and pushed to death -- slavery, or the trade come as they refer to it euphemistically. a state-sponsored genocide. what does this say about the

civilized world? amy: so if you could talk more about what this does say, and going back to the beginning, talking about genocide, the term going viral for lincoln, colonization, as well as civilization, and how you see -- find hope today in the discussions, if this is all acknowledged, though you are saying just acknowledging this is not enough. >> of course acknowledging it is a big step, and that is what i wanted to say before. even for me as a filmmaker, telling that story, it took a lot of thinking in order to tell a story where for the first te

u tell t story othe genoci of nati amecans and then youell the ory of slaverand then you tell so onof the major eermition storie which ithe holocat. and r the firs time i find at least on film you can see the connection between them. for me, it is a huge step. it is taking all those atrocities in different context. for me, can only be the beginning of a wider conversation. instead of each part keeping their own death, their own pain -- and sometimes being used against each other, you know? and that is a divide that has been used for many, many years. to me,he film also a ste

to break that serate naative. there not many different ories. there one hisrical owledge. we nd to acss it. and to your qstion, in the series, we already know enough -- theroblem is, what do we do with that knowledge? because everything i say in the film come everything that sven lindqvist tells the story or michel-rolph trouillot or roxanne dunbar-ortiz, those are facts. those are highly competent scholars who spent their life documenting the horror. my use of their work with them was exactly that going to force the conversation to are more --

discussion and to push aside the blurring of history, push aside the ignorance that still reigns in the discussion. i'm not going to name them again, the two politicians, but i think the population more and more interested in learning where they come from. the's a ason whyverybody now wants to have their dna analyzed. because there is some sort of feeling of cnection,ou know? and its our joas filmmakers and u.s. journalists as well to lay that in plain sight and then we can say, ok, what do we do with it? nermeen: we just have a minute. what do we do with this? ur film begins and ends with the same line that sven lindqvist says again and again,

it is not knowledge we like. what is missing is the urage to understand what we know and draw the conusions. how to shore, the work of these other authors enable that courage? >> i was primarily educated by -- maybe from that, i believe in the notion of knowledge. i believe in the notion of learning the truth. the film for me is the first step. i wish is that every school, every university is able to watch the film and have discussions around it. because you cannot go further if you don't know your own history. whatever side you're on. but you need to know. it is not about accusing you of anything. it is about facing your reality. because she can't understand what is going on. you can't understand why

policeman are still killing black kids and black men and black women in this country if you don't know where it comes from. it is unfortunate. we are in a time where we have a huge instrument for communication, and a huge instrument for learning. you can go on the internet and learned about everything. but we lack a very condensed metric of those histories that we have been built by. and each one of us needs to do our homework, otherwise, i don't see any nonviolent outcome out of this. amy: have given us a remarkable assignment. an epic work to watch for all. raoul peck is an acclaimed haitian filmmaker and a director of the new hbo four-part documentary series

"exterminate all the brutes." go to democracynow.org for our previous conversations with raoul peck. that does it for our show. happy birthday to denis moynihan!! e to give it a try.

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